Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/23/09


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 04:29 AM - Re: how do I view photos (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 04:52 AM - Re: how do I view photos (H RULE)
     3. 08:11 AM - Re: how do I view photos (K5YAC)
     4. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: how do I view photos (H RULE)
     5. 10:36 AM - Re: electrical system (Jack Phillips)
     6. 01:51 PM - Straight Axle gear  (Michael Groah)
     7. 02:46 PM - Re: how do I view photos (Don Emch)
     8. 04:00 PM - Re: Straight Axle gear  (Jack Phillips)
     9. 04:41 PM - Some progress made (santiago morete)
    10. 04:51 PM - Santiago's progress (santiago morete)
    11. 05:22 PM - Re: electrical system, waivers (shad bell)
    12. 06:21 PM - Lets clean it up (K5YAC)
    13. 06:35 PM - Re: Lets clean it up (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    14. 07:14 PM - Re: Lets clean it up (K5YAC)
    15. 07:32 PM - Re: Lets clean it up (Joemotis@aol.com)
    16. 07:58 PM - Re: Lets clean it up (K5YAC)
    17. 08:40 PM - Re: Straight Axle gear  ()
    18. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Lets clean it up (Joemotis@aol.com)
    19. 10:14 PM - Re: Straight Axle gear (Michael Groah)
    20. 10:31 PM - Re: Straight Axle gear (Ryan Mueller)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:29:35 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: how do I view photos
    Great shot! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos If all went well and I think it did you will see the pic on the reply of this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:11:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos here is the least common denominator for shrinking a photo in windows down to approximately 800x600 pixels (a reasonable emailing size in my opinion): Assumptions: this is a landscape format photo 0. Make a copy of the picture, giving it a descriptive name, like "mypiet-small.jpg" 1. Open the copy in mspaint. This can usually be done with a right click->edit 2. In the Image menu, choose attributes. 4. Divide 800 by the number in the width box, multiply by 100 for a percentage. Close attributes dialog. 5. Back to the image menu, choose stretch/skew. 6. Enter the percentage from step 4 in both horizontal and vertical boxes. 7. Save the copy and email it to your pals on the pietenpol-list. Andrew Eldredge Sahuarita AZ NX7229R coming back together On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote: It depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it is too large it will kick you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can send quite a few photo's that way.The only thing wrong with VGA is when you go to print them or use them in a magazine they are too small and the picture is too small.I have a great picture of myself and my GN-1 aircraft in flight on a fly past but it is much to large to send and I'm not that knowlegable about how to shrink it down for sending.I know there is a way to do it.I was told once but I had no paper or pen to write the procedure down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do this.The other thing that I was worried about is will the original sized picture be lost if I do this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos <dralle@matronics.com> At 06:01 AM 3/22/2009 Sunday, you wrote: <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > >Hey everybody, > >When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I >go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's >patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's >progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask. > >Douwe The photos should be attached to the email. You can also view them via the Forum at: http://forums.matronics.com/vics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List _f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.nbsp; onics.com/contribution" ====== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ http://www.matronics.c================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/22/09 17:51:00


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    Time: 04:52:57 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: how do I view photos
    Thanks very much;it was a guy by the name of Bill Reed who took it.=0A=0A =0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ge ne & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om=0ASent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:28:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos=0A=0A=0AGreat shot!=0AGene=0A----- Original Message - ---- =0AFrom: H RULE =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, M arch 22, 2009 7:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos =0A=0AIf all went well and I think it did you will see the pic on the reply of this message.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: An drew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:11:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List : how do I view photos=0A=0Ahere is the least common denominator for shrink ing a photo in windows down to approximately 800x600 pixels (a reasonable e mailing size in my opinion): =0A=0AAssumptions: this is a landscape format photo=0A=0A0. Make a copy of the picture, giving it a descriptive name, lik e "mypiet-small.jpg"=0A=0A1. Open the copy in mspaint.=0A-- This can us ually be done with a right click->edit=0A=0A2. In the Image menu, choose at tributes.=0A=0A4. Divide 800 by the number in the width box, multiply by 10 0 for a percentage.- Close attributes dialog.=0A=0A5. Back to the image m enu, choose stretch/skew.=0A=0A6. Enter the percentage from step 4 in both horizontal and vertical boxes.=0A=0A7. Save the copy and email it to your p als on the pietenpol-list.=0A=0AAndrew Eldredge=0ASahuarita AZ=0ANX7229R co ming back together=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, H RULE <harv ey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:=0A=0AIt depends on the size of the photo or jpg. If it is too large it will kick you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can send quite a few photo's that way.The only th ing wrong with VGA is when you go to print them or use them in a magazine t hey are too small and the picture is too small.I have a great picture of my self and my GN-1 aircraft in flight on a fly past but it is much to large t o send and I'm not that knowlegable about how to shrink it down for sending .I know there is a way to do it.I was told once but I had no paper or pen t o write the procedure down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do th is.The other thing that I was worried about is will the original sized pict ure be lost if I do this?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lle <dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0AAt 06:01 AM 3/22/2009- Sunday, you wrote: arthlink.net>=0A>=0A>Hey everybody,=0A>=0A>When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that.- When I=0A>go to "matronics photo shar e", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's=0A>patch photos from months ago.- I''d love to keep up with everybody's=0A>progress, and maybe even p ost some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask.=0A>=0A>Douwe=0A=0AThe phot os should be attached to the email.- You can also view them via the Forum at:=0A=0A- - - - http://forums.matronics.com/vics.com/Navigator?Pi etenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol- List=0A_f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.ma tronics.nbsp; - - - - - - - - - -onics.com/contribution " ========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AAndrew M. El dredge=0ASahuarita, AZ=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c======== ===========0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A- =========================0A ======


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    Time: 08:11:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: how do I view photos
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Is that Dick Dastardly of the Wacky Races? -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235809#235809


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    Time: 08:48:39 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: how do I view photos
    Does kind of look like him don't it!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>=0ATo: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:11:03 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message p osted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>=0A=0AIs that Dick Dastardly of the Wac ky Races?- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--------=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topi c online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235809#23 =======================


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    Time: 10:36:22 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: electrical system
    FAR 91.215 says: ... 3) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon or glider may conduct operations in the airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part provided such operations are conducted- (i) Outside any Class A, Class B, or Class C airspace area; and (ii) Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever is lower; and... So that covers the transponder installation. If you have an engine driven system, you have to have a transponder (and use it). As for lights for night-flying, FAR 91.205 says: ... c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following instruments and equipment are required: (1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section. (2) Approved position lights. (3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or aviation white. In the event of failure of any light of the anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made. (4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light. (5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed electrical and radio equipment. (6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that are accessible to the pilot in flight. To me, that does not sound like a generator since a battery can be a source of electrical energy. Before trying it with just a battery though, I'd ask your local FSDO. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: electrical system <wayne@taildraggersinc.com> I'd recommend we consult the regs. My memory says that the hangup with an FAA defined electrical system is that you must have a transponder. I remember thinking that you could have a battery and a starter, but so long as there was no alternator or generator, there was no "electrical system". But again, that's just my memory. I still recommend we check the regs. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:37, Ameet Savant <ameetsavant@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I don't think the FAA actually differentiates between these cases. > However, in my mind an aircraft electrical system would be an > electrical system used to power some gizmo that is "installed" in > the aircraft. Whether the power source is mechanical (generator/ > alternator) or chemical (battery) it irrelevant. > > So if you power your handheld with a battery sourced through the > aircraft (i.e. running wires or a buss) would probably constitute as > an electrical system. On the other hand carrying the radio as a self > powered unit would not. > > Just my opinion! > > Ameet > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: electrical system >> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 8:17 AM >> Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; >> >> >> >> There are various regulatory references to aircraft with >> and >> >> without electrical systems. Does anyone know if the regs >> >> define what constitutes an electrical system? I may have >> >> asked this question in the past but my memory isn't >> what >> >> I think it used to be (but I don't remember that, >> either). >> >> >> >> If a battery is used to power radios or anything else but >> there >> >> is no alternator or generator fitted to the aircraft engine >> to >> >> power the bus or recharge the battery, does that >> >> constitute an electrical system? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> >> Air Camper NX41CC >> >> San Antonio, TX >> >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 01:51:57 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Straight Axle gear
    Ok, now that I have both wings done, I'm moving on to the gear.- I'm buil ding the straight axle gear and I've made a jig that holds the axle in the proper location.-- I want a little reassurance that I understand a coup le things before I start to build.- My questions regard the ash blocks. My understanding is that the ash blocks, when the plane sits on the ground are parallel with the ground and that if they were long they would cross at the tailwheel location.- I also understand that the space in the "V" sho uld be just the width of the axle.- Are my understandings correct? Thanks for your help.-- Mike Groah Tulare CA =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 02:46:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: how do I view photos
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    So that's how that's done. Let me try one. Don Emch NX899DE Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235860#235860 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/copy_of_copy_of_nigel_piet_pic_5_711.bmp


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    Time: 04:00:50 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Straight Axle gear
    You're right on the money, Mike. I suggest you make your gear struts out of cheap pine first and make sure everything fits before cutting expesnive spruce. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear Ok, now that I have both wings done, I'm moving on to the gear. I'm building the straight axle gear and I've made a jig that holds the axle in the proper location. I want a little reassurance that I understand a couple things before I start to build. My questions regard the ash blocks. My understanding is that the ash blocks, when the plane sits on the ground are parallel with the ground and that if they were long they would cross at the tailwheel location. I also understand that the space in the "V" should be just the width of the axle. Are my understandings correct? Thanks for your help. Mike Groah Tulare CA


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    Time: 04:41:08 PM PST US
    From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
    Subject: Some progress made
    Thanks everyone for the generous words! The radiator is from a VW car called Senda here (Argentina). It-weighs ab out 4 pounds-and-is very inexpensive. We don't know if-is going to wo rk properly, but we-will try it. Joe, we used local woods for the prop.- The dark wood is a kind of cedar called Cancharana, and the other wood is Guatambu, very similar to Birch. - It is glued with epoxi, we used Araldit AW 106 for the prop and every p iece of wood in the Piet.- Excellent adhesive. Saludos - Santiago-=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0ARecetas pr=E1cticas y comida salu dable=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/


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    Time: 04:51:14 PM PST US
    From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
    Subject: Santiago's progress
    Thanks Dan and Tim!! I think the key to a beautiful work is sending low-resolution photos : ) Yes Dan, is the same prop.- It needs some more work-because is not prop erly balanced yet. Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0ARecetas pr=E1cticas y comida saludab le=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/


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    Time: 05:22:42 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: electrical system, waivers
    Group, Not to be the devils advocate,- I am told with some fsdo's it it f airly easy to get a waiver for NOT having a transponder even with an elect. system.- But if you plan on regularly going into Class B, C , (or want t o make your airplane IFR, RVSM compliant, you jet pilots out there know wha t that is , ha ha) you should probably just put a Xponder in, for simplicit ie's sake.- I personally don't care for big airports, probably because I work at one all day long, But I might see what it takes to organize a fligh t to work into CMH's class C airspace with no transponder, and see how acco midating they are. - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:21:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Lets clean it up
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Im a new user here, and while Im not trying to complain, it seems that some could use a lesson or two on how to keep the forums cleaned up. Lets get right to it The preview button works great, use it. No need to post multiple threads asking if we can see something use the preview button if you can see it, we can too. If not, work on your post before you submit it, otherwise it will just clutter up the boards. Here is a big one photos! Of course we all like to share them, but how? Well, that depends on the location of the image file. If the image file you want to share is on your PC (local, not on the web), you need to use the button in order to upload your image. This will publish your photo in the large frame with the file name, size and type up top. We have all seen em. On the other hand, if the photo you want to share is on the web, you can use the [img] command. For example, if I wanted to show a photo of me getting ready to fly a Piper Tomahawk, which I have posted on my web site, I would type (or copy and paste) [img]address[/img], or more specifically [img]***http://www.patriotdigital.net/images/Aviation/P2223494.JPG[/img]. Notice the *** at the beginning of the address, that is there in order to demonstrate the file path, if I take those opt, voila! That is the easiest and cleanest way to share images on the web. No need to save and upload. If you find a photo you would like to share, right click on it and choose properties. You will find the address information there. Go ahead and test that feature on my photo above. Here is another problem starting new threads where a simple reply would suffice. In every thread you will see at the top and bottom of the posts. To reply to the comments in this post, click the reply button. If you click New Thread, you will start an entirely new thread that many will not realize is a response to the other thread. It is best to keep conversation in the related thread. Only start a new thread if you have an original comment or question. This also helps to improve the search function. For example, if I were to search for electrical system or transponder, I would likely receive a ton of results, many of which would be from the past week although all of those threads were in response to the same thread. It would be much more useful to keep all conversation on a particular thread within that thread. Im not saying that if someone wants to ask a question about a transponder that they be required to go back to the very first transponder thread and add to it not at all. If someone has a question, by all means, ask away but anyone who wants to respond to that topic, in reference to the original question or successive comment in the thread, they should do so in the existing thread dont start a new one just because you want your post at the top of the Pietenpol list as many may not even know what you are referring to. And, to my previous point, your response standing all alone in its own thread will appear as another separate thread when someone performs a search not very helpful. Anyhow, Im not trying to start an argument... hopefully this will cause some constructive debate, or maybe even spur some questions. I am a member of several forums. All are useful due to the fact that many of those that frequent to boards are very knowledgeable. When a new guy comes along he can answer a lot of his own questions but searching the boards. The less cluttered they are, the more useful they will be. Otherwise, people cant find answers if they exist, resulting in repetitive questions popping up over and over. Im sure there are some common questions that many of you guys see often. Could be that the answers to these are buried in tons of redundant threads on the subject. Here are a few easy commands that you may find handy insert photo from web site = [img]web address[/img] insert photo from PC = use button insert web address = [url]web address[/url] (example ), or type the address in full, http://www.matronics.com insert e-mail address = address Another thing that clutters up a thread repetitive quotes? I can understand a quote if you actually quote someone elses post, but why the repetitive quotes? Some of you have this mess in every reply Quote 1 Quote 2 Quote 3 Quote 4 etc. What is the purpose of this? Just to take up as much real estate as possible so no one misses your post? Just wondering. If there is no useful purpose, you ought to clean it up. A signature is one thing a mess on the other hand is not very appealing to readers. Just my 2 cents Ill stop for now. Ive been reading the forums for several weeks now, and I hope to contribute more in the future while I construct my Piet, but I hope we can clean it up some in order to make it a more reader friendly and useful forum. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235889#235889


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    Time: 06:35:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lets clean it up
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Lost the intent, what's this have to do with building and or flying a Piet? Thanks Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lets clean it up Im a new user here, and while Im not trying to complain, it seems that some could use a lesson or two on how to keep the forums cleaned up. Lets get right to it The preview button works great, use it. No need to post multiple threads asking if we can see something use the preview button if you can see it, we can too. If not, work on your post before you submit it, otherwise it will just clutter up the boards. Here is a big one photos! Of course we all like to share them, but how? Well, that depends on the location of the image file. If the image file you want to share is on your PC (local, not on the web), you need to use the button in order to upload your image. This will publish your photo in the large frame with the file name, size and type up top. We have all seen em. On the other hand, if the photo you want to share is on the web, you can use the [img] command. For example, if I wanted to show a photo of me getting ready to fly a Piper Tomahawk, which I have posted on my web site, I would type (or copy and paste) [img]address[/img], or more specifically [img]***http://www.patriotdigital.net/images/Aviation/P2223494.JPG[/img]. Notice the *** at the beginning of the address, that is there in order to demonstrate the file path, if I take those opt, voila! That is the easiest and cleanest way to share images on the web. No need to save and upload. If you find a photo you would like to share, right click on it and choose properties. You will find the address information there. Go ahead and test that feature on my photo above. Here is another problem starting new threads where a simple reply would suffice. In every thread you will see at the top and bottom of the posts. To reply to the comments in this post, click the reply button. If you click New Thread, you will start an entirely new thread that many will not realize is a response to the other thread. It is best to keep conversation in the related thread. Only start a new thread if you have an original comment or question. This also helps to improve the search function. For example, if I were to search for electrical system or transponder, I would likely receive a ton of results, many of which would be from the past week although all of those threads were in response to the same thread. It would be much more useful to keep all conversation on a particular thread within that thread. Im not saying that if someone wants to ask a question about a transponder that they be required to go back to the very first transponder thread and add to it not at all. If someone has a question, by all means, ask away but anyone who wants to respond to that topic, in reference to the original question or successive comment in the thread, they should do so in the existing thread dont start a new one just because you want your post at the top of the Pietenpol list as many may not even know what you are referring to. And, to my previous point, your response standing all alone in its own thread will appear as another separate thread when someone performs a search not very helpful. Anyhow, Im not trying to start an argument... hopefully this will cause some constructive debate, or maybe even spur some questions. I am a member of several forums. All are useful due to the fact that many of those that frequent to boards are very knowledgeable. When a new guy comes along he can answer a lot of his own questions but searching the boards. The less cluttered they are, the more useful they will be. Otherwise, people cant find answers if they exist, resulting in repetitive questions popping up over and over. Im sure there are some common questions that many of you guys see often. Could be that the answers to these are buried in tons of redundant threads on the subject. Here are a few easy commands that you may find handy insert photo from web site = [img]web address[/img] insert photo from PC = use button insert web address = [url]web address[/url] (example ), or type the address in full, http://www.matronics.com insert e-mail address = address Another thing that clutters up a thread repetitive quotes? I can understand a quote if you actually quote someone elses post, but why the repetitive quotes? Some of you have this mess in every reply Quote 1 Quote 2 Quote 3 Quote 4 etc. What is the purpose of this? Just to take up as much real estate as possible so no one misses your post? Just wondering. If there is no useful purpose, you ought to clean it up. A signature is one thing a mess on the other hand is not very appealing to readers. Just my 2 cents Ill stop for now. Ive been reading the forums for several weeks now, and I hope to contribute more in the future while I construct my Piet, but I hope we can clean it up some in order to make it a more reader friendly and useful forum. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235889#235889


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    Time: 07:14:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lets clean it up
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    It has nothing to do with building or flying a Piet, rather it has to do with providing a more useful resource to those that are building, discussing or flying a Piet. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? I'm sure this etiquette could be applied to the entire Matronics Forum, but as a Piet builder I am more concerned about the Pietenpol List, so I posted it here. Web forums are just another tool... used properly they can be valuable time savers, used improperly they can hinder, or be totally useless. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235898#235898


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    Time: 07:32:43 PM PST US
    From: Joemotis@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Lets clean it up
    Not a Damn thing. "I=99m a new user here" Are you from the government and here to help also Mark? Joe Motis Working on rudder cables and control sticks no archivos In a message dated 3/23/2009 6:36:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, amsafetyc@aol.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: amsafetyc@aol.com Lost the intent, what's this have to do with building and or flying a Piet ? Thanks Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lets clean it up I=99m a new user here, and while I=99m not trying to complain, it seems that some could use a lesson or two on how to keep the forums cleaned up. Let =99s get right to it The preview button works great, use it. No need to post multiple threads asking if =9Cwe can see something=9D use the preview b utton if you can see it, we can too. If not, work on your post before you submit it, otherwise it will just clutter up the boards. Here is a big one photos! Of course we all like to share them, bu t how? Well, that depends on the location of the image file. If the image file yo u want to share is on your PC (local, not on the web), you need to use the button in order to upload your image. This will publish your photo in the large frame with the file name, size and type up top. We have all seen em. On the other hand, if the photo you want to share is on the web, you can us e the [img] command. For example, if I wanted to show a photo of me getting ready to fly a Piper Tomahawk, which I have posted on my web site, I would type (or copy and paste) [img]address[/img], or more specifically [img]***http://www.patriotdigital.net/images/Aviation/P2223494.JPG[/img]. Notice the *** at the beginning of the address, that is there in order to demonstrate the file path, if I take those opt, voila! That is the easiest and cleanest way to share images on the web. No need t o save and upload. If you find a photo you would like to share, right click on it and choose properties. You will find the address information there. Go ahead and test that feature on my photo above. Here is another problem starting new threads where a simple reply would suffice. In every thread you will see at the top and bottom of the posts. To reply to the comments in this post, click the reply button. If you click New Thread, you will start an entirely new thread that many will not realiz e is a response to the other thread. It is best to keep conversation in the related thread. Only start a new thread if you have an original comment or question. This also helps to improve the search function. For example, if I were to search for =9Celectrical system=9D or =9Ctransponder =9D, I would likely receive a ton of results, many of which would be from the past week although all of those threads were in response to the same thread. It would be much more useful to keep all conversation on a particular thread within that thread. I=99m not saying that if someone wants to ask a question about a transponder that they be required to go back to the very first transponder thread and add to it not at all. If someone has a question, by all means, ask away bu t anyone who wants to respond to that topic, in reference to the original question o r successive comment in the thread, they should do so in the existing thread don=99t start a new one just because you want your post at the top of the Pietenpol list as many may not even know what you are referring to. And, t o my previous point, your response standing all alone in its own thread will app ear as another separate thread when someone performs a search not very helpful. Anyhow, I=99m not trying to start an argument... hopefully this will cause some constructive debate, or maybe even spur some questions. I am a member of several forums. All are useful due to the fact that many of those that frequent to boards are very knowledgeable. When a new guy comes along he c an answer a lot of his own questions but searching the boards. The less clutt ered they are, the more useful they will be. Otherwise, people can=99t fi nd answers if they exist, resulting in repetitive questions popping up over and over. I=99 m sure there are some common questions that many of you guys see often. Could be that the answers to these are buried in tons of redundant threads o n the subject. Here are a few easy commands that you may find handy insert photo from web site = [img]web address[/img] insert photo from PC = use button insert web address = [url]web address[/url] (example ), or type the addre ss in full, http://www.matronics.com insert e-mail address = address Another thing that clutters up a thread repetitive quotes? I can understand a quote if you actually quote someone else=99s post, but w hy the repetitive quotes? Some of you have this mess in every reply Quote 1 Quote 2 Quote 3 Quote 4 etc. What is the purpose of this? Just to take up as much real estate as possible so no one misses your post? Just wondering. If there is no usefu l purpose, you ought to clean it up. A signature is one thing a mess on the other hand is not very appealing to readers. Just my 2 cents I=99ll stop for now. I=99ve been read ing the forums for several weeks now, and I hope to contribute more in the future while I cons truct my Piet, but I hope we can clean it up some in order to make it a more read er friendly and useful forum. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235889#235889 **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 o r less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


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    Time: 07:58:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lets clean it up
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Wow! I've touched a nerve. Sen-Sa-Tive! No Joe, I'm not from the government, but I obviously would like to help. I don't see what the harm is in offering some advise on how we can keep things a little more pleasing to the eye. I mean heck, there were several recent "how do I do" posts, I just thought I'd present a little information on some of the more common methods of posting info, photos, etc. on a web forum. What's the big deal? I'm probably wasting my time explaining my reasoning as I suspect you are probably just a troll anyway. Troll = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: > Not a Damn thing. > > "Im a new user here" Are you from the government and here to help also Mark? > > > Joe Motis > Working on rudder cables and control sticks no archivos -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235903#235903


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    Time: 08:40:00 PM PST US
    From: <catdesigns@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Straight Axle gear
    That is how I made mine. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Groah To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear Ok, now that I have both wings done, I'm moving on to the gear. I'm building the straight axle gear and I've made a jig that holds the axle in the proper location. I want a little reassurance that I understand a couple things before I start to build. My questions regard the ash blocks. My understanding is that the ash blocks, when the plane sits on the ground are parallel with the ground and that if they were long they would cross at the tailwheel location. I also understand that the space in the "V" should be just the width of the axle. Are my understandings correct? Thanks for your help. Mike Groah Tulare CA


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    Time: 09:04:01 PM PST US
    From: Joemotis@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Lets clean it up
    No Mark, I am a Member of EAA 96 and am actually in the controls (rudder and elevator) stage of helping a fellow builder get his Piet flightworthy. Come on down to our hangar at Compton Woodley airport and have a look. Our chapter meetings are on the 3rd Saturday of the month.Or contact me off list and I will gladly send you some pictures of our Piet progress In a message dated 3/23/2009 7:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hangar10@cox.net writes: I'm probably wasting my time explaining my reasoning as I suspect you are probably just a troll anyway. What EAA Chapter are you affiliated with? Have you started construction yet? Joe Motis EAA735730 No Archivos **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


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    Time: 10:14:23 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Straight Axle gear
    Thank you all for your comments on the gear.- I made up some material to make practice legs from and I'll get started on that soon.- I have the pl ane right side up and set at the deck angle with a jig attached to the bott om of the fuselage that holds the axle in place.- I took a chalk line and snapped a line for the angle of the ash blocks but thought I better double check with the group before I spent too much time doing something wrong. - Now that I've been assured that I'm going in the right direction I'll h ave landing gear in no time.- Then I'll only have a few hundred more thin gs to do and I'll be flying.- Thanks. Mike Groah Tulare CA Fuselage, wings, tail, and tail gear done.... Working on main gear, fuel tank, and engine assembly.- --- On Mon, 3/23/09, catdesigns@att.net <catdesigns@att.net> wrote: From: catdesigns@att.net <catdesigns@att.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear =0A=0A =0A =0A=0AThat is how I made mine.=0A-=0AChris Sacramento, =0ACA WestCoastPiet.com=0A-=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A Michael =0A Groah =0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A =0A Sent: M onday, March 23, 2009 1:49 =0APM=0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle =0A gear =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Ok, now that I =0A have both wings done, I'm moving on to the gear. - I'm building the =0A straight axle gear and I've made a jig that holds the axle in the proper =0A location.-- I want a little re assurance that I understand a =0A couple things before I start to bu ild.- My questions regard the ash =0A blocks. My understanding is that the ash blocks, when the plane =0A sits on the ground are parallel with the ground and that if they were =0A lo ng they would cross at the tailwheel location.- I also understand =0A that the space in the "V" should be just the width of the axle.- =0A Are my understandings correct? Thanks for your =0A help.-- Mike Groah Tulare =0A CA href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:31:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Straight Axle gear
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Mr. Modest (Chris) didn't mention this, but he has a photographic journey through the construction of his wood landing gear at WestCoastPiet: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wood_landing_gear.htm You get placement analysis, and a graphic blow-by-blow. If you have not found it yet, it may be worth a look-see... Ryan On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>wrote: > > Thank you all for your comments on the gear. I made up some material to > make practice legs from and I'll get started on that soon. I have the plane > right side up and set at the deck angle with a jig attached to the bottom of > the fuselage that holds the axle in place. I took a chalk line and snapped > a line for the angle of the ash blocks but thought I better double check > with the group before I spent too much time doing something wrong. Now that > I've been assured that I'm going in the right direction I'll have landing > gear in no time. Then I'll only have a few hundred more things to do and > I'll be flying. > > Thanks. > > Mike Groah >




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