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1. 03:15 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (Gene & Tammy)
2. 03:32 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (H RULE)
4. 05:00 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (John Hofmann)
5. 05:06 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (Wayne Bressler)
6. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Lets clean it up (Rob Hart)
7. 05:58 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (Michael Perez)
8. 06:37 AM - Quick response appreciated (Jack T. Textor)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: Quick response appreciated (shad bell)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: Quick response appreciated (shad bell)
11. 07:40 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (H RULE)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (K5YAC)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Lets clean it up (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Lets clean it up (Ryan Mueller)
15. 08:57 AM - Re: Lets clean it up (K5YAC)
16. 09:34 AM - Re: Quick response appreciated (hvandervoo@aol.com)
17. 09:49 AM - Re: Quick response appreciated (JERRY GROGAN)
18. 09:49 AM - fuel tank material (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 10:33 AM - Re: fuel tank material (Michael Perez)
20. 10:49 AM - Jean Experimental Aviation Fly-In (Patrick Panzera)
21. 11:13 AM - Re: Jean Experimental Aviation Fly-In (H RULE)
22. 02:30 PM - Re: Lets clean it up (Don Emch)
23. 02:34 PM - Re: fuel tank material (Don Emch)
24. 03:07 PM - Re: Transponder (Richard Carden)
25. 03:46 PM - Re: fuel tank material (Jim Ash)
26. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Transponder (H RULE)
27. 06:11 PM - Re: Quick response appreciated (Jack Phillips)
28. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Transponder (Gene & Tammy)
29. 07:25 PM - Knots in wood (K5YAC)
30. 07:47 PM - Re: Knots in wood (Gary Boothe)
31. 07:53 PM - Re: Knots in wood (K5YAC)
32. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Knots in wood (Joemotis@aol.com)
33. 08:16 PM - Re: fuel tank material (Rick Holland)
34. 08:34 PM - Re: Knots in wood (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
This is so poorly typed, I didn't even try to read it. Why don't you try
again, this time taking a little more time and make its readable?
Thank you
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lets clean it up
>
> I?Tm a new user here, and while I?Tm not trying to complain, it seems
> that some could use a lesson or two on how to keep the forums cleaned up.
> Let?Ts get right to it?
>
> The preview button works great, use it. No need to post multiple threads
> asking if ?owe can see something?? use the preview button? if you
> can see it, we can too. If not, work on your post before you submit it,
> otherwise it will just clutter up the boards.
>
> Here is a big one? photos! Of course we all like to share them, but
> how? Well, that depends on the location of the image file. If the image
> file you want to share is on your PC (local, not on the web), you need to
> use the button in order to upload your image. This will publish your
> photo in the large frame with the file name, size and type up top. We
> have all seen em.
>
> On the other hand, if the photo you want to share is on the web, you can
> use the [img] command. For example, if I wanted to show a photo of me
> getting ready to fly a Piper Tomahawk, which I have posted on my web site,
> I would type (or copy and paste) [img]address[/img], or more specifically
> [img]***http://www.patriotdigital.net/images/Aviation/P2223494.JPG[/img].
> Notice the *** at the beginning of the address, that is there in order to
> demonstrate the file path, if I take those opt, voila!
>
>
> That is the easiest and cleanest way to share images on the web. No need
> to save and upload. If you find a photo you would like to share, right
> click on it and choose properties. You will find the address information
> there. Go ahead and test that feature on my photo above.
>
> Here is another problem? starting new threads where a simple reply would
> suffice. In every thread you will see at the top and bottom of the
> posts. To reply to the comments in this post, click the reply button. If
> you click New Thread, you will start an entirely new thread that many will
> not realize is a response to the other thread. It is best to keep
> conversation in the related thread. Only start a new thread if you have
> an original comment or question. This also helps to improve the search
> function. For example, if I were to search for ?oelectrical system? or
> ?otransponder?, I would likely receive a ton of results, many of which
> would be from the past week although all of those threads were in response
> to the same thread. It would be much more useful to keep all conversation
> on a particular thread within that thread. I?Tm not saying that if
> someone wants to ask a question about a transponder that they be required
> to go back to the very first transponder !
> thread and add to it? not at all. If someone has a question, by all
> means, ask away? but anyone who wants to respond to that topic, in
> reference to the original question or successive comment in the thread,
> they should do so in the existing thread? don?Tt start a new one just
> because you want your post at the top of the Pietenpol list as many may
> not even know what you are referring to. And, to my previous point, your
> response standing all alone in its own thread will appear as another
> separate thread when someone performs a search? not very helpful.
>
> Anyhow, I?Tm not trying to start an argument... hopefully this will cause
> some constructive debate, or maybe even spur some questions. I am a
> member of several forums. All are useful due to the fact that many of
> those that frequent to boards are very knowledgeable. When a new guy
> comes along he can answer a lot of his own questions but searching the
> boards. The less cluttered they are, the more useful they will be.
> Otherwise, people can?Tt find answers if they exist, resulting in
> repetitive questions popping up over and over. I?Tm sure there are some
> common questions that many of you guys see often. Could be that the
> answers to these are buried in tons of redundant threads on the subject.
>
> Here are a few easy commands that you may find handy?
>
> insert photo from web site = [img]web address[/img]
> insert photo from PC = use button
> insert web address = [url]web address[/url] (example ), or type the
> address in full, http://www.matronics.com
> insert e-mail address = address
>
> Another thing that clutters up a thread? repetitive quotes? I can
> understand a quote if you actually quote someone else?Ts post, but why
> the repetitive quotes? Some of you have this mess in every reply?
>
> Quote 1
>
> Quote 2
>
> Quote 3
>
> Quote 4
>
> etc.
>
> What is the purpose of this? Just to take up as much real estate as
> possible so no one misses your post? Just wondering. If there is no
> useful purpose, you ought to clean it up. A signature is one thing? a
> mess on the other hand is not very appealing to readers.
>
> Just my 2 cents? I?Tll stop for now. I?Tve been reading the forums
> for several weeks now, and I hope to contribute more in the future while I
> construct my Piet, but I hope we can clean it up some in order to make it
> a more reader friendly and useful forum.
>
> --------
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235889#235889
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
My eyes stared to glaze over after the first two pages. :0(
Dan Helsper
Popar Grove, IL
NX929DH
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Thanks very much for this info;since I am not that computer litterate it su
re helps when someone tells me how to do it.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
"Smile Son. Never disconcert the masses."
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Mar 24, 2009, at 5:26 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
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> My eyes stared to glaze over after the first two pages. :0(
>
> Dan Helsper
> Popar Grove, IL
> NX929DH
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Let's remember our audience, here. This is a list about building and
flying Pietenpol aiplanes, not about being web or forum savvy.
Personally, I rather enjoy the somewhat chaotic nature of this list!
The Pietenpol list has it's own very unique culture and is a colorful
family of helpful individuals, not all of which are well versed in the
ways of the Internet, and that's okay.
Let's not worry about formatting and things like that, and enjoy
airplanes and building.
Welcome to the list.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Got the plans and dreaming, raising a family in the meantime...
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Hi Mark
The rest of us seem to find the Matronics web forum totally useful=3B gramm
ar=2C spelling and etiqette faux pas included. Good luck building your Pie
t=3B this forum will be here for you=2C warts and all=2C to assist. Iff (s
yntax intended)=2C as you suggest=2C it's totally useless to you=2C again I
say: good luck.
Rob Hart
Perth=2C Western Australia
VH-PTN (Reserved)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it up
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Mon=2C 23 Mar 2009 19:13:57 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> It has nothing to do with building or flying a Piet=2C rather it has to d
o with providing a more useful resource to those that are building=2C discu
ssing or flying a Piet. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? I'm sure this
etiquette could be applied to the entire Matronics Forum=2C but as a Piet
builder I am more concerned about the Pietenpol List=2C so I posted it here
.
>
> Web forums are just another tool... used properly they can be valuable ti
me savers=2C used improperly they can hinder=2C or be totally useless.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235898#235898
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Thanks Mark and welcome to the list. Don't get too bent out of shape from s
ome of the remarks here...some people just don't have anything nice to say.
Had you posted about how to get something for free or some non-sense about
the game last night, no one would complain.
-
There are some smart Pietenpol builders here who can actually answer your q
uestions and provide use full guidance.-It's a good place to start when y
ou need some answers.
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| Subject: | Quick response appreciated |
Morning all,
Wanted to order some aluminum this morning for my wing tank. Planning
to use Proseal and rivet. Is 5052 H32, .032 the right stuff to use?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Re: Quick response appreciated |
Jack, Just make sure it is easy (or at least practical) to remove the tank
if you have to do leak repairs.- I know I have had to do quite a few leak
repairs on the jets at work.- Pro seal eventually starts leaking.- Als
o you will want to coat the rivets with proseal when you drive them.- I w
ould also recomend using solid "AD" universal head-rivets where you can b
uck them.- Cherry max rivets might be more prone to leaking than a solid
bucked rivet.- The proseal also helps glue the flanges togeather when you
apply it between mating surfaces.- Our jets call for proseal between the
skin and frames/ stringers and you can eaisly bend or break metal trying t
o pry the skin off the plane even after drilling off all the rivets.- We
joke around and say the rivets are just there to hold it untill the glue dr
ies.- Any way good luck with the tank,and send me some pics, I might buil
d my fuselage tank for my Jungster 1 that way, as I have lots more experian
ce
with riveting aluminum than welding it.-
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Quick response appreciated |
Jack sorry I missed the most important question you had.- I am not sure a
bout the 5052.- Is that the weldable alloy?- I believe H32 is one of th
e softer alloys, which is good for forming.- Check to see if it is heat t
reatable if it is soft, (heat treating may not be neccesary).- .032 shoul
d be plenty thick enough, but you might want to put doublers or even triple
rs (doubler on both sides of tank skin) where you filler neck and fuel outl
ets are.- I am not a sheet metal expert, and you may know much more than
I do about sheet metal, but hopefully this is useful.- And the most impor
tant thing about aluminum..MAKE SURE TO SAND EVERY EDGE TO A VERY SMOOTH SH
INEY SURFACE BEFORE BENDING ANYTHING.- NO, I REPEAT, NO TOOL MARKS ESPECI
ALLY WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BE BENDING IT.- A TOOL MARK LEFT IN THE ALUMIN
UM ESPECIALLY THE EDGE BEING BENT WILL CRACK, AND KEEP CRACKING, and you wi
ll be wearing 100LL perfume.
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SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPITALS. Thats the most important part,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Geeeeeeeeze I wish I could afford one of them thar I phones then I could email
from my GN-1 aircamper while flying.I'm having trouble just gettin the money togther
for gaz.Any body want to buy a slightly worn out women not interested at
all about airplanes?
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Dang guys I cant believe the fire Ive ignited over a few innocent suggestions.
I wasnt asking that we change the forum, rather I was just offering a few pointers
to those that had raised some questions recently, and suggested a couple
of things we could do to make it more useable. It is kind of hard to search
through these forums for useful information (you know, using the actual search
feature), but if we kept the threads intact, meaning that we don't start a new
thread just to reply to another comment, it would be a little more useful when
we are looking for solutions to issues that have already been discussed. Hey,
so far this discussion is staying in the original thread, way to go guys.
;-)
I guess I owe a few answers, and then Ill try to leave it at that.
> No Mark,
>
> I am a Member of EAA 96 and am actually in the controls (rudder and elevator)
stage of helping a fellow builder get his Piet flightworthy. Come on down to
our hangar at Compton Woodley airport and have a look. Our chapter meetings are
on the 3rd Saturday of the month. Or contact me off list and I will gladly send
you some pictures of our Piet progress
>
> What EAA Chapter are you affiliated with?
>
> Have you started construction yet?
> Joe Motis
> EAA735730
California is a bit of a drive (or flight) for me Joe, so I probably won't be able
to make it any time soon. To answer your question, yes, I am a member of EAA
10 and I am just getting started on construction. I actually have original
plans in hand and have rented a hangar for the purpose of building and storing
my project. Not sure what relevance that is to the discussion, but yes, I have
a genuine interest if that is what you wanted to know. I don't have much
to report at the time, but you are welcome to follow along or offer suggestions
if you like.
> This is so poorly typed, I didn't even try to read it. Why don't you try
> again, this time taking a little more time and make its readable?
> Thank you
> Gene
Really? Well, Im sorry it didnt read well for you Gene. Ive been told that I
have excellent writing skills, but I do occasionally get long winded and the thoughts
can run together at times.
> My eyes stared to glaze over after the first two pages. :0(
>
> Dan Helsper
> Popar Grove, IL
> NX929DH
Dang! Was it really that bad? How do you guys manage to get though build manuals
and such? I mean, if the topic Ive posted doesnt interest you, fine, why
waste another second on the discussion?
> Let's remember our audience, here. This is a list about building and flying
Pietenpol aiplanes, not about being web or forum savvy. Personally, I rather enjoy
the somewhat chaotic nature of this list! The Pietenpol list has it's own
very unique culture and is a colorful family of helpful individuals, not all
of which are well versed in the ways of the Internet, and that's okay.
> Let's not worry about formatting and things like that, and enjoy airplanes and
building.
> Welcome to the list.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Got the plans and dreaming, raising a family in the meantime...
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
> Sent from my iPhone
You are absolutely right Wayne. As I stated above, Im not suggesting that we change
the forum I know that this is a list about building and flying Pietenpol
airplanes, and Im not trying to insist that everyone be web savvy to participate,
I simply offered a few pointers on how to do a few things and suggested that
the proper use of the reply button would make for a more useable resource.
I dont care if the topic is BBQ, motorcycles, firearms, or whatever, the better
organized the forum is, the more useful it is to the users. Here is one thing
that makes this forum a little different, and more difficult to sort through
we have one category that everything falls under Pietenpol List, rather than
having sub-categories, such as empennage, wings, powerplant, electrical, etc.
So, it is no wonder that its a little more difficult to navigate, but aside from
that, keeping the discussion with the original thread (i.e. posting a reply
when responding to another question or comment), would go a long way in keeping
things orderly. Thats all I was suggesting. You enjoy the chaotic nature,
ok, fine, but it just isnt as helpful as it could be.
> Hi Mark
>
> The rest of us seem to find the Matronics web forum totally useful; grammar
spelling and etiqette faux pas included. Good luck building your Piet; this forum
will be here for you warts and all to assist. Iff (syntax intended) as you
suggest it's totally useless to you again I say: good luck.
>
> Rob Hart
> Perth C Western Australia
> VH-PTN (Reserved)
I never said this forum was totally useless Rob, and I never criticized anyone's
grammar. It is obviously incredibly useful or I wouldnt be here, or be trying
to make suggestions on how it can be refined in the future. My comment was
> Web forums are just another tool... used properly they can be valuable time
savers, used improperly they can hinder, or be totally useless.
Not sure that I suggested that this forum was useless in that remark.
Again, Im not too clear on how my short tutorial on inserting images and how to
keep threads intact has turned into everyone thinking that Im against this entire
message board. In fact, it was just a couple of weeks ago that I posted
a comment about the warm welcome I received and the genuine nature of the forums.
Look, I wasnt trying to offend anyone, Im here for the same reasons you guys are
(I think). As for my credibility or worthiness, Im no less worthy of being
here than the rest of you. I am a registered member of the forum (cant say that
for most of my critics), and Ive purchased Matronics products for two reasons,
they looked as if they would perform the task I required of them and because
the proceeds would continue to support this resource.
Maybe I've burned a few bridges with my suggestions(not exactly sure how), but
for those of you who are regular readers, you know there was a call at times for
the very advise that I posted here, "How do I post photos", "Can you see this",
etc. For those of you that didn't find it useful, or don't understand how
to utilize these tools, fine, keep doing things your way. On the other hand,
those that did find it useful will realize an easier, more organized way of
sharing their thoughts and ideas.
Ill try to bow out of this discussion for now. Perhaps Ill try a less volatile
subject next time maybe a latex thread.
--------
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235963#235963
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Joe, how is the project coming?
Last time Jim Markle and I visited the hangar in Compton I was rather
impressed by the resources available in tools and talent. Yet I am no fan of
bullet holes in the hanger walls. I would love to see some more pics and maybe
another visit next trip out to LA. You must have made a bunch more progress
since last we saw the fuse and wings 2 years ago.
John
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Mark,
If you are having a problem finding information by searching the web forum,
then try searching the Matronics mailing list archive at:
http://www.matronics.com/search/
....read the instructions; proper formatting of your search helps get the
results you are looking for. Searching the mailing list archives will net
you more results. The Pietenpol list is primarily an email mailing list ,
and the actual list archives go back a few more years than what you can fin
d
by searching on the web-based forum. And as far as your suggestions, thanks
for the input, but just remember that they don't apply for many of us as we
do not use the web-based discussion board for our access to the list. Have
a
good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dang guys=85 I can=92t believe the fire I=92ve ignited over a few innocen
t
> suggestions. I wasn=92t asking that we change the forum, rather I was ju
st
> offering a few pointers to those that had raised some questions recently,
> and suggested a couple of things we could do to make it more useable. It
is
> kind of hard to search through these forums for useful information (you
> know, using the actual search feature), but if we kept the threads intact
,
> meaning that we don't start a new thread just to reply to another comment
,
> it would be a little more useful when we are looking for solutions to iss
ues
> that have already been discussed. Hey, so far this discussion is staying
in
> the original thread, way to go guys. ;-)
>
> I guess I owe a few answers, and then I=92ll try to leave it at that.
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| Subject: | Re: Lets clean it up |
Thanks Ryan. The search feature works just fine, not unlike others I've used,
but since it is an e-mail list it does have a bit of a different feel, and is
a bit less capable of narrowing a search to relevant information.
Again, I wasn't trying to impose any change, and I suppose I didn't realize that
most were corresponding via e-mail. Seems that at least some are webbing it,
and my information would likely benefit those folks a little more than the straight
e-mailers.
Thanks again for the info.
[quote="Ryan Mueller"]Mark,
If you are having a problem finding information by searching the web forum, then
try searching the Matronics mailing list archive at:
http://www.matronics.com/search/ (http://www.matronics.com/search/)
....read the instructions; proper formatting of your search helps get the results
you are looking for. Searching the mailing list archives will net you more
results. The Pietenpol list is primarily an email mailing list , and the actual
list archives go back a few more years than what you can find by searching on
the web-based forum. And as far as your suggestions, thanks for the input, but
just remember that they don't apply for many of us as we do not use the web-based
discussion board for our access to the list. Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> Dang guys I cant believe the fire Ive ignited over a few innocent suggestions.
I wasnt asking that we change the forum, rather I was just offering a few pointers
to those that had raised some questions recently, and suggested a couple
of things we could do to make it more useable. It is kind of hard to search
through these forums for useful information (you know, using the actual search
feature), but if we kept the threads intact, meaning that we don't start a new
thread just to reply to another comment, it would be a little more useful when
we are looking for solutions to issues that have already been discussed. Hey,
so far this discussion is staying in the original thread, way to go guys.
;-)
>
> I guess I owe a few answers, and then Ill try to leave it at that.[b]
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jack.
5052 is the best for this application
..032 should be enough if only rivets are used.
if you intend to weld or solder parts of it I recommend slighty thicker material?.05
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack T. Textor <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 8:29 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Morning all,
Wanted to order some aluminum this morning for my wing tank.? Planning to use Proseal
and rivet.? Is 5052 H32, .032 the right stuff to use?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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Jack I am ready to make my wing tank also. I am going to weld mine. Give
me a call
Jerry Grogan
Des Moines, IA
Do not arcive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Morning all,
Wanted to order some aluminum this morning for my wing tank. Planning
to use Proseal and rivet. Is 5052 H32, .032 the right stuff to use?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | fuel tank material |
Jack,
I know the gent who welded up my tank used 5052 and I'm almost positive he
used .032" thick but can't recall
the H rating. I'm sure the Tony Bingelis books give a good suggestion in c
ase you'd like backup on what is best.
for vibration/fatigue resistance.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank material |
One thought that I had for fuel tanks is to use something like what Summit
racing sells under fuel cells. You can get various sizes and material.- I
like the plastic ones. (light weight) If you are handy with machine tools,
then you can make whatever fittings/adapters/holders you need to adapt the
se into the Pietenpol.
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FYI
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| Subject: | Jean Experimental Aviation Fly-In |
It's just a few days away, March 27-29, Jean Nevada.
Forums all day on Saturday March 28th, dinner to follow.
http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html
... and it's FREE!
Pat
Editor@ContactMagazine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jean Experimental Aviation Fly-In |
Wow;wish I could make it that far;place looks like area 51=0A=0Ado not arch
ive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Patrick Panzera
<panzera@experimental-aviation.com>=0ATo: Corvair engines for homebuilt air
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ay, March 24, 2009 1:47:47 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Jean Experimental
" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>=0A=0AIt's just a few days away, March
27-29, Jean Nevada.=0AForums all day on Saturday March 28th, dinner to fol
low.=0Ahttp://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html=0A... and it's FREE!=0A
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Wow K5YAC, you sure can type! Much better than me!
Don Emch
NX899DE
DO NOT ARCHIVE...... which really helps to keep the archives cleaned up. [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank material |
I used 5052, .050" thick. I had a race car shop in Gibsonburg, OH weld mine.
I fabbed it all up and clamped all the flanges together and took it to them.
They did a fantastic job. They weld custom tanks for race cars all the time.
I'm sure if someone couldn't find a local shop they could send one ready to weld
to this shop. If anyone would like I can get info.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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>>> I've made provisions for a transponder and encoder in my Piet,
>>> not because of FAA regulations, but because I want the ability to
>>> be seen by ATC and by aircraft equipped with traffic recognition.
>>> And for that same reason, I'm installing wingtip strobes, as
>>> we've got some complete idiots flying ultralights in my area, and
>>> some of them seem unable to comprehend, or simply disregard,
>>> patterns and pattern altitudes. A transponder and strobes are for
>>> me just part of the "see and be seen" mantra. Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank material |
I'm curious what (if anything) you guys are doing for stiffeners on your tanks.
Are you rolling beads or attaching additional stiffeners?
One of my 'standard shtick' SNF demos has been to cut a small flat sheet from a
soda can and let 'em play with it, then run two or three beads all in one direction,
then let 'em play with it again. Sometimes I wish I were working on commission...
Jim Ash
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>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Mar 24, 2009 12:48 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank material
>
>
>Jack,
>
>I know the gent who welded up my tank used 5052 and I'm almost positive he used
.032" thick but can't recall
>the H rating. I'm sure the Tony Bingelis books give a good suggestion in case
you'd like backup on what is best.
>for vibration/fatigue resistance.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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You can make yourself as safe as you can and try for others to see you but
if the ultralighters arn't doing the same then it's a moot point.They will
still crash into you.Hopefully they see you in time but what they need is t
o be educated in proper flight procedures and if they can, install somewhat
the same equipment(not always possible with these guys because they are ul
tralights after all).Good luck!I am an ultralight pilot myself flying a GN-
1 aircamper in Canada and as an ultralight pilot I had to take instruction
on proper procedures.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: Richard Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>=0ATo: pieten
pol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:03:41 PM=0ASubject
: Pietenpol-List: Re: Transponder=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by
: Richard Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>=0A=0A>>> I've made provisions for a
transponder and encoder in my Piet, not because of FAA regulations, but be
cause I want the ability to be seen by ATC and by aircraft equipped with tr
affic recognition. And for that same reason, I'm installing wingtip strobes
, as we've got some complete idiots flying ultralights in my area, and some
of them seem unable to comprehend, or simply disregard, patterns and patte
rn altitudes. A transponder and strobes are for me just part of the "see an
==
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5052 H32 is what I used for my tank. It is a weldable, non-heat-treatable
(but work hardening, hence the H32 designation) alloy with good corrosion
resistance. As for Pro-Seal, I'm not a big fan of it. I have had a leak at
nearly every rivet in the tanks in my RV-4, and they were sealed with
proseal (admittedly, it has been flying for 22 years now, so it takes a
while for Pro-Seal to leak, but it WILL eventually leak).
On my Pietenpol I riveted the tank together and then had every seam and
every rivet TIG welded, then checked for leaks. I found 32 separate pinhole
leaks and had them re-welded. Checked it again and this time there were
only 4 leaks. Back to the welder, then leak checked and it has been leak
free ever since.
Jack Phillips
MX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Jack sorry I missed the most important question you had. I am not sure
about the 5052. Is that the weldable alloy? I believe H32 is one of the
softer alloys, which is good for forming. Check to see if it is heat
treatable if it is soft, (heat treating may not be neccesary). .032 should
be plenty thick enough, but you might want to put doublers or even triplers
(doubler on both sides of tank skin) where you filler neck and fuel outlets
are. I am not a sheet metal expert, and you may know much more than I do
about sheet metal, but hopefully this is useful. And the most important
thing about aluminum..MAKE SURE TO SAND EVERY EDGE TO A VERY SMOOTH SHINEY
SURFACE BEFORE BENDING ANYTHING. NO, I REPEAT, NO TOOL MARKS ESPECIALLY
WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BE BENDING IT. A TOOL MARK LEFT IN THE ALUMINUM
ESPECIALLY THE EDGE BEING BENT WILL CRACK, AND KEEP CRACKING, and you will
be wearing 100LL perfume.
SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPITALS. Thats the most important part,
Shad
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Dick, I don't know where your flying out of but some of those complete
idiots may know more than you think they do. At many airports that
ultralights fly out of, ultralights have a different pattern altitude and at
some they even have different patterns. Sometimes we have to be careful who
we call the Idiot.
My two (2) cents worth
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Transponder
> <flywrite@verizon.net>
>
>>>> I've made provisions for a transponder and encoder in my Piet,
>>>> not because of FAA regulations, but because I want the ability to
>>>> be seen by ATC and by aircraft equipped with traffic recognition.
>>>> And for that same reason, I'm installing wingtip strobes, as
>>>> we've got some complete idiots flying ultralights in my area, and
>>>> some of them seem unable to comprehend, or simply disregard,
>>>> patterns and pattern altitudes. A transponder and strobes are for
>>>> me just part of the "see and be seen" mantra. Dick Carden
>
>
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I just received my capstrip for my wing ribs today, and while inspecting I found
a knot in one of the strips (pictured below). This section of wood will likely
get cut away, but I'm just wondering if this is the type of stuff I should
look out for. This is the 1/2" side of a 1/2" x 1/4" capstrip, so the knot is
approximately 1/16" in diameter. Reason for concern?
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Mark,
I am traveling and don't have my copy of AC43.13, but if memory serves me
correctly, it allows for up to 1/8" knots that are not loose.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Knots in wood
I just received my capstrip for my wing ribs today, and while inspecting I
found a knot in one of the strips (pictured below). This section of wood
will likely get cut away, but I'm just wondering if this is the type of
stuff I should look out for. This is the 1/2" side of a 1/2" x 1/4"
capstrip, so the knot is approximately 1/16" in diameter. Reason for
concern?
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Thanks Gary... I have a copy here that I'll look through to see if I can find that
info.
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| Subject: | Re: Knots in wood |
c. Hard knots. Sound, hard knots up to 3/8 inch in maximum diameter are
acceptable providing: (1) they are
not projecting portions of I-beams, along the edges of rectangular or
beveled unrouted beams, or along the edges of
flanges of box beams (except in lowly stressed portions); (2) they do not
cause grain divergence at the edges of
the board or in the flanges of a beam more than specified in column 3; and
(3) they are in the center third of the
beam and are not closer than 20 inches to another knot or other defect
(pertains to 3/8 inch knots=94smaller knots
may be proportionately closer). Knots greater than 1/4 inch must be used
with caution.
Chapter 1 AC 43.13
Joe Motis
Piety piet piet
No archivos
In a message dated 3/24/2009 7:53:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Thanks Gary... I have a copy here that I'll look through to see if I can
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank material |
I used .040 5052, tig welded. Even though it would be a little heavier next
time I would go with .050, easier and stronger welds and stronger overall.
Rick
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> I know the gent who welded up my tank used 5052 and I'm almost positive he
> used .032" thick but can't recall
> the H rating. I'm sure the Tony Bingelis books give a good suggestion in
> case you'd like backup on what is best.
> for vibration/fatigue resistance.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Knots in wood |
Great! Thanks Joe.
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