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1. 02:47 AM - Re: Findng Flight (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
2. 02:47 AM - Re: Findng Flight (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Ameet Savant)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (skellytown flyer)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Tim Willis)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (H RULE)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Tim Willis)
10. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Ameet Savant)
11. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (H RULE)
12. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (H RULE)
13. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Bill Church)
14. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (H RULE)
15. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (TOM STINEMETZE)
16. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (bike.mike@comcast.net)
17. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Dave Abramson)
18. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (H RULE)
19. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts (Ameet Savant)
20. 01:02 PM - what is Harvy smoking? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
21. 01:16 PM - Re: what is Harvy smoking? (Robert Gow)
22. 01:38 PM - Re: what is Harvy smoking? (H RULE)
23. 03:05 PM - Re: Findng Flight (shad bell)
24. 03:23 PM - annual inspections (walt)
25. 03:41 PM - Re: annual inspections (John Hofmann)
26. 04:31 PM - Re: Findng Flight (ldmill)
27. 07:17 PM - Re: Straight Axle gear (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Findng Flight |
Shad, I have three little ones. When I'm working on the Mustang II, I have
often thought an extra "pack and play" would work. If you're not familiar with
it, it is like a fold up crib, but with tall netted sides. That'll keep him
captive, up away from dangerous tools, plus he's up off the dirty floor, and
still give him a bit of room to move around. _Walmart.com: Graco, Pack 'n
Play Playard, Tango in the Tongo: Gear_
(http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7964354)
Boyce
BTW it's easier when they're little than when they get to be 3 yrs old. My
oldest will be 5 in July, and he's starting to get to the fun yrs again. Those
2's, and 3's were rough!
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Subject: | Re: Findng Flight |
oh, also be thoughtful of the noises our power tools make. My 18 month old
was crying the other day when I was using the drill. Funny the wife doesn't
bother him with the vacuum, but the drill sure did!
Boyce
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
The strength is derived from both resin and fibers. Think of it like steel bar
reinforced concrete.
Having the fibers in tension is not only unnecessary, but potentially weakening,
as the resin will have to maintain the stretched fibers for the life of the
part even when there are no flying loads. It is an interesting concept though
and some scientific testing would be fun to do. :)
If you get a chance read Zeke Smith's books on composite structures. The first
few chapters cover how loads transfer in what intuitive looks like a weak structure.
Hope that helps.
Ameet
--- On Thu, 3/26/09, skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net> wrote:
> From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 8:49 PM
> flyer" <rhano@att.net>
>
> I am sure no expert on carbon fiber or any other method of
> fabric re-inforcment-but does the stuff really give much
> added strength if you cannot pre-tension it when you lay it
> up? I don't know-that's why I'm asking.Raymond
>
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
it is interesting. I have a friend in Amarillo that teaches aircraft maintenance
at TSTI. he has some sample pieces of the parts they use at Bell to make the
Tilt-rotor aircraft.they are Carbon fiber and amazing to feel how light they
are.I have no idea how strong they must be but it was interesting to hear how
they do the testing to determine the quality and any bad spots in them.I don't
remember a lot about it now other than how incredibly light they are. Raymond
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236348#236348
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
Ameet, if it is, as you say, like reinforced concrete, I would think putting the
fibers in tension would be like prestressed reinforced concrete, in which steel
is tensioned before pouring the concrete. The finished structure is stronger
than just concrete poured over dormant re-bar. Of course, those are different
materials than epoxy and carbon, so none of these logical parallels may hold.
Moreover, I only have personal experience with plain old concrete and re-bar,
so my opinion means little. Does your cited reference cover putting carbon
fiber rods or the like in tension (either for or against)?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2009 8:54 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
>
>
>
>The strength is derived from both resin and fibers. Think of it like steel bar
reinforced concrete.
>
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
one of the strongest composites is fibre glass and marijuana;they grow it f
or this purpose;it's not the same stuff ya smoke though=0A=0Ado not archive
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ameet Savant <ameet
savant@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, March
27, 2009 9:54:17 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cab
<ameetsavant@yahoo.com>=0A=0A=0AThe strength is derived from both resin an
d fibers. Think of it like steel bar reinforced concrete. =0A=0AHaving the
fibers in tension is not only unnecessary, but potentially weakening, as th
e resin will have to maintain the stretched fibers for the life of the part
even when there are no flying loads. It is an interesting concept though a
nd some scientific testing would be fun to do. :)=0A=0AIf you get a chance
read Zeke Smith's books on composite structures. The first few chapters cov
er how loads transfer in what intuitive looks like a weak structure.=0A=0AH
ope that helps.=0AAmeet=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Thu, 3/26/09, skellytown flyer <r
hano@att.net> wrote:=0A=0A> From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>=0A> Subj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts=0A> To: pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 8:49 PM=0A>
>=0A> =0A> I am sure no expert on carbon fiber or any other method of=0A> f
abric re-inforcment-but does the stuff really give much=0A> added strength
if you cannot pre-tension it when you lay it=0A> up? I don't know-that's wh
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
if its not the smoking kind then its hemp, which is the same plant and or
family and fiber material that rope is made of.
John
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
Tim:
Steel cables are prestressed in concrete due to the strength characteristic
s of the base concrete material. Concrete is extremely strong in
compression but relatively week in tension. Pre-stressing the steel
causes the concrete to be held in compression in such a manner that the
design bending loads will increase the compression on parts of the
concrete structure while decreasing the compression on other parts but not
to the point where any part of the concrete ceases to be in compression.
Wood has different characteristics and is pretty strong in tension as well
as compression.
This is absorbed knowledge not "book larnin" so I am quite willing to
stand corrected if I got this wrong.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>>I would think putting the fibers in tension would be like prestressed
reinforced concrete, in which steel is tensioned before pouring the
concrete.
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
Tom,
I am sure you have that right. Thanks.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2009 9:41 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
>
>Tim:
>
>Steel cables are prestressed in concrete due to the strength characteristics of
the base concrete material. Concrete is extremely strong in compression but
relatively week in tension. Pre-stressing the steel causes the concrete to be
held in compression in such a manner that the design bending loads will increase
the compression on parts of the concrete structure while decreasing the compression
on other parts but not to the point where any part of the concrete
ceases to be in compression. Wood has different characteristics and is pretty
strong in tension as well as compression.
>This is absorbed knowledge not "book larnin" so I am quite willing to stand corrected
if I got this wrong.
>
>Tom Stinemetze
>McPherson, KS.
>
>>>>I would think putting the fibers in tension would be like prestressed reinforced
concrete, in which steel is tensioned before pouring the concrete.
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
Tim,
Good to hear from you.
The composite books I have read don't ever mention putting the fibers in tension.
They only insist on maintaining the fibers straight for obvious reasons.
The concrete analogy is to exhibit the principle of a composite structure. concrete
acts as a matrix that holds and transfers load to the re-bar making the composite
stronger than both materials individually could be. the concrete may
be very similar to resin, but the steel re-bar is certainly not like a fiber.
The fiber alone has no strength in compression and the resin provides that compressive
ability by holding the fibers straight under such a load. Like you say,
there may not be direct parallels between the two composites.
Ameet.
--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 9:21 AM
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Ameet, if it is, as you say, like reinforced concrete, I
> would think putting the fibers in tension would be like
> prestressed reinforced concrete, in which steel is tensioned
> before pouring the concrete. The finished structure is
> stronger than just concrete poured over dormant re-bar. Of
> course, those are different materials than epoxy and carbon,
> so none of these logical parallels may hold. Moreover, I
> only have personal experience with plain old concrete and
> re-bar, so my opinion means little. Does your cited
> reference cover putting carbon fiber rods or the like in
> tension (either for or against)?
> Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
that's right=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0AFrom: "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:26:06 AM=0ASubject: Re: Piet
enpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts=0A=0Aif its not the
smoking kind then its hemp, which is-the same plant-and or family and
-fiber material that rope is made of.=0A=0AJohn=0A=0A____________________
____________=0AFree Credit Report and Score26575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
now theres an idea; one of you guys out there just getting started could tr
y building a concrete Piet.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:41:27 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List
: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts=0A=0A=0ATim:=0A-=0ASteel ca
bles are prestressed in concrete due to the strength characteristics of the
base concrete material.- Concrete is extremely strong in compression but
relatively week in tension.- Pre-stressing the steel causes the concrete
to be held in compression in such a manner that the design bending loads w
ill increase the compression on parts of the concrete structure while decre
asing the compression on other parts-but not to the point where any part
of the concrete ceases to be in compression.- Wood has different characte
ristics and is pretty strong in tension as well as compression.- =0AThis
is absorbed knowledge not "book larnin" so I am quite willing to stand corr
ected if I got this wrong.=0A-=0ATom Stinemetze=0AMcPherson, KS.=0A=0A>>>
I would think putting the fibers in tension would be like prestressed reinf
orced concrete, in which steel is tensioned before pouring the concrete.-
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
Actually, I don't anyone should be smoking any kind of fibreglass...
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
one of the strongest composites is fibre glass and marijuana;they grow
it for this purpose;it's not the same stuff ya smoke though
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
I know we have strayed slightly off topic here but to set the record straig
ht, some filters on cigarettes in the past have actually been made of fibre
glass and it has caused damage in the lungs of those who smoked them.Now b
ack to the Piet;it would be interesting to see one made out of hemp and fib
re glass composite.Probably cost a fortune but it would be extremely strong
and light weight.I just know some body is going to say why on earth would
you build a plane such as the-Piet and the way it looks out of a modern c
omposite.Usually these things are kept for the sleek and futuristic stuff s
uff as the Ratan group puts out.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0AFrom: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:22:09 PM=0ASubject: RE: Piet
enpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts=0A=0A=0AActually, I
don't anyone should be smoking any kind of fibreglass...=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE=0ASen
t: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:23 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASub
ject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts=0A=0A
=0Aone of the strongest composites is fibre glass and marijuana;they grow i
t for this purpose;it's not the same stuff ya smoke though=0A=0Ado not arch
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
>>> futuristic stuff suff as the Ratan group puts out.
That's Rutan pardner. He's a bonafide home builder (although probably not
qualified to use advanced wood construction methods) so we have to show
some respect.
Stinemetze
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
To set the record straight even further, hemp fibers used in rope, cloth, paper
etc come from the same plant as Marijuana: Cannabis sativa . The difference comes
from the cultivation. Good fiber comes from plants that are very low in THC
concentrations and vice-versa.
Near where I live, a company produces bamboo bicycles that are held together with
hemp fiber and epoxy. High quality bamboo acts an awful lot like fiberglass
and people swear by the bamboo bikes. The hemp, though, has to be imported from
Canada because it's illegal to grow, even in California.
Now, back to the subject at hand. The problem of composite materials is in the
different ways the different materials react to stress. Because carbon fiber is
MUCH stiffer than wood, putting the wood/carbon sandwich in tension loads the
carbon fiber much quicker that it does the wood. What happens is that the carbon
could be loaded to near failure before the wood begins to carry any load.
In a Piet's cabane strut, not much load is ever carried during normal usage. The
carbon fiber will carry virtually all the relatively light loads. The same would
be true of a lift strut made from the same sandwich though the loading is
much higher. If you make a wood/carbon sandwich structural member, design in
enough carbon to carry all of the expected tension loads. The wood won't be doing
much.
Wood, by the way, is already a composite in the sense of being made from fibers
in a matrix. The cellulose fibers are held together by a lignin glue. In fiberglass
or carbon fiber composites the glass or the carbon is the fiber, held together
in an epoxy or polyester or whatever matrix (even Elmer's, but not particularly
well).
Mike Hardaway
----- Original Message -----
From: "H RULE" <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:08:03 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
I know we have strayed slightly off topic here but to set the record straight,
some filters on cigarettes in the past have actually been made of fibre glass
and it has caused damage in the lungs of those who smoked them.Now back to the
Piet;it would be interesting to see one made out of hemp and fibre glass composite.Probably
cost a fortune but it would be extremely strong and light weight.I
just know some body is going to say why on earth would you build a plane such
as the Piet and the way it looks out of a modern composite.Usually these things
are kept for the sleek and futuristic stuff suff as the Ratan group puts
out.
[snip for brevity]
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
I wana Bamboo bike!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
bike.mike@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:57 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury
struts
To set the record straight even further, hemp fibers used in rope,
cloth, paper etc come from the same plant as Marijuana: Cannabis sativa.
The difference comes from the cultivation. Good fiber comes from
plants that are very low in THC concentrations and vice-versa.
Near where I live, a company produces bamboo bicycles that are held
together with hemp fiber and epoxy. High quality bamboo acts an awful
lot like fiberglass and people swear by the bamboo bikes. The hemp,
though, has to be imported from Canada because it's illegal to grow,
even in California.
Now, back to the subject at hand. The problem of composite materials
is in the different ways the different materials react to stress.
Because carbon fiber is MUCH stiffer than wood, putting the wood/carbon
sandwich in tension loads the carbon fiber much quicker that it does the
wood. What happens is that the carbon could be loaded to near failure
before the wood begins to carry any load.
In a Piet's cabane strut, not much load is ever carried during normal
usage. The carbon fiber will carry virtually all the relatively light
loads. The same would be true of a lift strut made from the same
sandwich though the loading is much higher. If you make a wood/carbon
sandwich structural member, design in enough carbon to carry all of the
expected tension loads. The wood won't be doing much.
Wood, by the way, is already a composite in the sense of being made
from fibers in a matrix. The cellulose fibers are held together by a
lignin glue. In fiberglass or carbon fiber composites the glass or the
carbon is the fiber, held together in an epoxy or polyester or whatever
matrix (even Elmer's, but not particularly well).
Mike Hardaway
----- Original Message -----
From: "H RULE" <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:08:03 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury
struts
I know we have strayed slightly off topic here but to set the record
straight, some filters on cigarettes in the past have actually been made
of fibre glass and it has caused damage in the lungs of those who smoked
them.Now back to the Piet;it would be interesting to see one made out of
hemp and fibre glass composite.Probably cost a fortune but it would be
extremely strong and light weight.I just know some body is going to say
why on earth would you build a plane such as the Piet and the way it
looks out of a modern composite.Usually these things are kept for the
sleek and futuristic stuff suff as the Ratan group puts out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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[snip for brevity]
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
My apologies;you are right Ratan is some sort of cane plant used to make ch
airs.I never was very good at spelling but you knew who I was talking about
anyway.Yes all the respect in the world to that guy since he has revolutio
nized airplane building to a new level.I wouldn't mind owning and flying on
e of those Quickies he designed only its stall speed is-too fast to be re
gistered as an ultralight up here in Canada but it does have the proper wei
ght.I do like the look of them though.I also like to use that highly techni
cal word called "stuff"!=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenp
ol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:47:26 PM=0ASubject:
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts=0A=0A=0A>>>
-futuristic stuff suff as the Ratan group puts out.-=0A=0AThat's Rutan
pardner.- He's a bonafide home builder (although probably not qualified t
o use advanced wood construction methods) so we have to show some respect.
=========================0A
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Subject: | Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts |
IMHO that is slightly inaccurate. In a composite structure, due to the differing
stiffness the load will be carried proportional to the moduli. Because carbon
has a very high modulus it will carry a larger portion of the load. But the
wood does carry some.
My statement is a bit oversimplified. It ignores the amount of carbon and wood
used in the said composite. If I use a very small amount of carbon in the strut
it will get overloaded and my wooden strut will have to carry all the load.
Which if I happily reduced in size because I added "some" carbon, will also fail.
:)
Isn't design fun?!
Regards.
Ameet
--- On Fri, 3/27/09, bike.mike@comcast.net <bike.mike@comcast.net> wrote:
> From: bike.mike@comcast.net <bike.mike@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforcing for: cabane and jury struts
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:56 PM
...
> The problem of composite
> materials is in the different ways the different materials
> react to stress. Because carbon fiber is MUCH stiffer than
> wood, putting the wood/carbon sandwich in tension loads the
> carbon fiber much quicker that it does the wood. What
> happens is that the carbon could be loaded to near failure
> before the wood begins to carry any load.
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Subject: | what is Harvy smoking? |
Harvey,
I'm glad you're on the list, you make me smile from time to time with your
posts. Do we need to send a few buckets of warm water up there to Canada
to thaw you out or will you be okay with warming of days ?
Mike Cuy in Ohio
PS: Only smoking Texaco Canopus Oil No. 13 thru my A-65 exhaust stacks.
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Subject: | what is Harvy smoking? |
Up here in Midland Ontario we know it's spring when the Canadian Coast Guard
Icebreaker comes in and opens the harbour. That hasn't happened yet.
Bob
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: March 27, 2009 2:58 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what is Harvy smoking?
Harvey,
I'm glad you're on the list, you make me smile from time to time with your
posts. Do we need to send a few buckets of warm water up there to Canada
to thaw you out or will you be okay with warming of days ?
Mike Cuy in Ohio
PS: Only smoking Texaco Canopus Oil No. 13 thru my A-65 exhaust stacks.
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Subject: | Re: what is Harvy smoking? |
Thank God it's starting to warm up in cold Canada;can't wait to pull the GN
-1 Aircamper out and go for a toot.Couple of buckets of beer wouldn't be a
bad thought though!I don't smoke anymore but when I did I enjoyed it especi
ally the wacky tabaky!Glad you like the posts.This is a great list,best of
them all!Your a great bunch of people,the best!=0A=0Ayou can archive that!
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (G
RC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "piete
npol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, Mar
ch 27, 2009 3:58:20 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: what is Harvy smoking?=0A
=0A=0A-=0AHarvey, =0A-=0AI'm glad you're on the list, you make me smile
from time to time with your posts.--- Do we need to send a few bucke
ts of warm water up there to Canada=0Ato thaw you out or will you be okay w
ith warming of days ?----- =0A-=0AMike Cuy in Ohio=0A-=0APS:
Only smoking Texaco Canopus Oil No. 13 thru my A-65 exhaust stacks.--
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Subject: | Re: Findng Flight |
Boyce, Yes the pack and play is set up in the shop, untill my wife notices
it's missing and covered in sawdust.- I just try to make sure I am at the
gluing stepswhen he is out there, that way the dust and noise is at a mini
mum.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | annual inspections |
Mike Cuy and all,
Question,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I originally licenced my Piet in November.
I always did my inspection in Nov. and logged the same.
Last Nov. time got away from me, and didn't do it, or fly it since then.
If I inspect it tomorrow,,,do I date it now or last Nov?
Does the inspection have to match the licencing?
Or will this be my "new" year to start?
Thanks all.
PS Can't wait to fly this weekend and check out the old valley.
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: annual inspections |
Walt,
You will now be on a March to March cycle. Annual condition
inspections run on a 12 calendar month basis.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Mar 27, 2009, at 5:22 PM, walt wrote:
> Mike Cuy and all,
> Question,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I originally licenced my Piet in November.
> I always did my inspection in Nov. and logged the same.
> Last Nov. time got away from me, and didn't do it, or fly it since
> then.
>
> If I inspect it tomorrow,,,do I date it now or last Nov?
> Does the inspection have to match the licencing?
> Or will this be my "new" year to start?
> Thanks all.
> PS Can't wait to fly this weekend and check out the old valley.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Findng Flight |
My 8 year old loves to come down to the shop and help me or "build stuff, dad".
I took a bunch of small 1x1 and 1x2s of various lengths, drilled holes through
them at different locations, and gave him a bunch of bolts/nuts. He loves to
bolt them together and make different shapes. I broke down for Christmas and
bought him his own wrench set and tool box. He now keeps all his real and plastic
tools in it. I also bought him his own flashlight and tape measure (got tired
of mine going missing). He really has a blast. I also put up an electronic
dart board. Him and his older brother will play darts down there while I"m working
also.
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
Pietenpol next up
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236461#236461
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle gear |
I've been away for a week so I'm labouriously going through
tons of email. Here's the link to my web pages for landing
gear legs. It starts with a comprehensive, 2X4 jig and goes
from there.
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html
I have a lot more stuff to put up but I'm having trouble
uploading it and also getting ahold of the tech support.
Clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear
Thank you all for your comments on the gear. I made up some
material to make practice legs from and I'll get started on that soon.
e flying.
Thanks.
Mike Groah
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