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1. 07:21 AM - wood vs metal strut weights (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 07:34 AM - Re: wood vs metal strut weights (Bill Church)
3. 08:10 AM - Re: wood vs metal strut weights (Jim Markle)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: wood vs metal strut weights (Gary Boothe)
5. 08:52 AM - Straight axle gear (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 09:11 AM - black ash instead of white ash (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
7. 09:37 AM - Re: black ash instead of white ash (Dick Navratil)
8. 10:12 AM - Riblett Airfoil (ALAN LYSCARS)
9. 12:18 PM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (Ryan Mueller)
10. 12:51 PM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (ALAN LYSCARS)
11. 03:33 PM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (Ryan Mueller)
12. 07:28 PM - Re: black ash instead of white ash (shad bell)
13. 07:54 PM - Re: Free Waldo Peppers Again! (Rick Holland)
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| Subject: | wood vs metal strut weights |
In the occassional discussion re wooden struts, I often read the comment
that wood struts weigh more. While this certainly may be true, I wonder if
this is based upon actual weights or educated guessing?
So...
I am going to weigh my wood struts and would apprciate it if anybody out
there could tell me what their steel struts weigh. Was hoping somebody has
those numbers somewhere, or maybe has their struts handy along with a
convnient scale.
Douwe
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| Subject: | wood vs metal strut weights |
Douwe,
I recall speaking with Paul Poulin, who flew his Air Camper, Canadian
Goose C-GZHT to Brodhead two summers ago. His lift struts, cabane struts
and jury struts were all made of solid laminated white ash. He said that
he weighed his wood lift struts, and then weighed some steel struts (off
a Piper, I think) and found his wood struts to be slightly lighter.
Of course, the weight of wood struts would depend on the species of
wood, and the profile of the strut, and the weight of the steel struts
would depend on the profile of the streamline material, as well as the
wall thickness.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sat 28/03/2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood vs metal strut weights
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
In the occassional discussion re wooden struts, I often read the comment
that wood struts weigh more. While this certainly may be true, I wonder
if
this is based upon actual weights or educated guessing?
So...
I am going to weigh my wood struts and would apprciate it if anybody out
there could tell me what their steel struts weigh. Was hoping somebody
has
those numbers somewhere, or maybe has their struts handy along with a
convnient scale.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: wood vs metal strut weights |
Wood versus steel...I expect the wood to be lighter.
For reference, my aluminum 6061T6 lift struts (about 1" X 2.44") weigh a bit
over 4 pounds each.
After reading all these great messages about sandwiching carbon fiber (or
equiv.) in a lamination....I'm now wishing I had made mine from wood.....
But I've rebuilt just about every part of this project at least once so the
struts...they stay the way they are right now!
Jim in rainy wet Pryor OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood vs metal strut weights
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> In the occassional discussion re wooden struts, I often read the comment
> that wood struts weigh more. While this certainly may be true, I wonder
> if
> this is based upon actual weights or educated guessing?
>
> So...
>
> I am going to weigh my wood struts and would apprciate it if anybody out
> there could tell me what their steel struts weigh. Was hoping somebody
> has
> those numbers somewhere, or maybe has their struts handy along with a
> convnient scale.
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| Subject: | wood vs metal strut weights |
This has nothing to do with the subject title, but I'm just in the process
this weekend of shaping my laminated hickory landing gear...what a joy to
work with!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood vs metal strut weights
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Wood versus steel...I expect the wood to be lighter.
For reference, my aluminum 6061T6 lift struts (about 1" X 2.44") weigh a bit
over 4 pounds each.
After reading all these great messages about sandwiching carbon fiber (or
equiv.) in a lamination....I'm now wishing I had made mine from wood.....
But I've rebuilt just about every part of this project at least once so the
struts...they stay the way they are right now!
Jim in rainy wet Pryor OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood vs metal strut weights
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> In the occassional discussion re wooden struts, I often read the comment
> that wood struts weigh more. While this certainly may be true, I wonder
> if
> this is based upon actual weights or educated guessing?
>
> So...
>
> I am going to weigh my wood struts and would apprciate it if anybody out
> there could tell me what their steel struts weigh. Was hoping somebody
> has
> those numbers somewhere, or maybe has their struts handy along with a
> convnient scale.
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Straight axle gear |
Clif wrote-
>I'm having trouble
> uploading it and also getting ahold of the tech support.
In the Piet world=2C "tech support" consists of those wide elastic suspende
rs. Mine are black=2C but yours can be whatever color you like.
Just like in my Piet world the "cockpit data recorder" is a kneeboard and p
encil. It's no use trying to record voice data in a Piet because it all ge
ts blown out of the cockpit by the mighty A65.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | black ash instead of white ash |
I've found a source of black ash for $1.00/BF and wondered if it's a good s
ubstitute for white ash. What I read is that it's slightly softer and ligh
ter. I plan on making ash flying struts and landing gear.
Any thoughts or experience with black ash?
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: black ash instead of white ash |
Tom I have been flying with LG struts of laminated Douglas Fir for 5
years without problems. I know others that have used Sitka to make gear
legs. You are probably fine.
Come up to Osceola some day for a ride.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: black ash instead of white ash
I've found a source of black ash for $1.00/BF and wondered if it's a
good substitute for white ash. What I read is that it's slightly softer
and lighter. I plan on making ash flying struts and landing gear.
Any thoughts or experience with black ash?
Tom B.
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Gents:
Does anyone have Roman Bukolt's email address?
I purchased the Riblett airfoil drawing from Roman a few years ago. I'm
just now setting up a jig to start building my ribs. I'm a little
unsure on a couple of points on building these ribs, and I need a little
help.
Thanks Fellows,
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Roman is at: conceptmodels@tds.net
Would you want to elaborate on the points you are unsure of?
Ryan
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, ALAN LYSCARS <alyscars@myfairpoint.net>wrote:
> Gents:
>
> Does anyone have Roman Bukolt's email address?
>
> I purchased the Riblett airfoil drawing from Roman a few years ago. I'm
> just now setting up a jig to start building my ribs. I'm a little unsure on
> a couple of points on building these ribs, and I need a little help.
>
> Thanks Fellows,
>
> Al Lyscars
> Manchester, NH
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Hi Ryan,
I've got a set of Grega GN-1 plans which I'm going to build from, and I
bought Roman's template a few years ago.
- My GA30-612 Riblett drawing doesn't list much detail. For example,
there are no notes concerning the number of ribs to build. Should I
rely on my Grega drawings for this info?
- The Grega plans specify compression members in at least two of the
ribs; are there any compression members in the Riblett?
- I am very unsure as to how to construct the trailing edge spar
sections as far as the aileron sections go. Am I missing a "notes page"
which may have been part of Roman's submittal? I've moved between then
and now..anything's possible!
Ryan, thanks for offering to help.
Al Lyscars
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
Roman is at: conceptmodels@tds.net
Would you want to elaborate on the points you are unsure of?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Al,
I don't have Roman's Riblett print; we purchased ours from Bill Rewey, but I
believe they have essentially the same information (if not, someone with
Roman's print can chime in, hopefully). With that being said, here are
thoughts regarding a few of your questions:
Switching to the Riblett changes the shape of the rib you are building, but
it should not affect the amount of ribs you build. Defer to your Grega plans
for the number; if your plans show 29 (for example), then build 29.
If the Grega plan shows two ribs with compression members, then I would say
build two Riblett ribs with compression members and install in the
appropriate location. As far as compression members go, I believe our print
from Bill shows the compression members as dashed line verticals in the
print. If your print has those dashed line vertical members then that would
be where you would locate those pieces.
As far the the aileron section spars, I can't speak to that regarding the
Grega, as I have not seen GN-1 plans. Is it that you are having trouble
reconciling that part of Grega design with the Riblett rib, or that you are
having trouble with the Grega design in and of itself?
Time for dinner!
Ryan
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:49 PM, ALAN LYSCARS <alyscars@myfairpoint.net>wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I've got a set of Grega GN-1 plans which I'm going to build from, and I
> bought Roman's template a few years ago.
>
> - My GA30-612 Riblett drawing doesn't list much detail. For example,
> there are no notes concerning the number of ribs to build. Should I rely on
> my Grega drawings for this info?
>
> - The Grega plans specify compression members in at least two of the
> ribs; are there any compression members in the Riblett?
>
> - I am very unsure as to how to construct the trailing edge spar sections
> as far as the aileron sections go. Am I missing a "notes page" which may
> have been part of Roman's submittal? I've moved between then and
> now..anything's possible!
>
> Ryan, thanks for offering to help.
>
> Al Lyscars
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
>
> Roman is at: conceptmodels@tds.net
>
> Would you want to elaborate on the points you are unsure of?
>
> Ryan
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: black ash instead of white ash |
Black ash is what I get when I burn my wet fire wood.- Usually small piec
es of spruce scrap turn to white ash, as long as there is no dried glue on
them.-
-
Ha Ha Ha, Just kidding now don't stone me,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Free Waldo Peppers Again! |
Tim
I would gladly send you at least postage costs for a DVD.
Thanks
Rick Holland
3732 Castle Butte Dr
Castle Rock, CO 80109
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Tim Verthein
<minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>wrote:
> minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hey Gang-
>
> Last year I sent out several dozen free home made Waldo Pepper DVD's to
> anyone who wanted one. Many sent me something in return - not necessary but
> always welcome.
>
> Once again, if anyone wants one, contact me off list and I'll get one to
> you. The "used and new" on Amazon starting at $15 are for VHS tapes, their
> DVD's are starting at $49 (at least today, it varies daily). Note they also
> have soundtrack recordings, paperback books and related items.
>
> My copies are from my original (old) VHS tape, not the finest remastered
> digital quality, but certainly watchable, and free.
>
> I just like to share a good movie.
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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