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1. 01:04 AM - wood strut weights (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 01:04 AM - fueling center section tank (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 03:50 AM - Re: fueling center section tank (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 03:59 AM - Re: fueling center section tank (gcardinal)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Free Waldo Peppers Again! (Ron Franck)
6. 07:49 AM - Hand propping a 65 (walt)
7. 08:04 AM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (shad bell)
8. 08:11 AM - Re: fueling center section tank (shad bell)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Ameet Savant)
10. 09:49 AM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (conceptmodels tds.net)
11. 09:55 AM - Landing gear tubing size (Ryan Mueller)
12. 10:17 AM - Re: fueling center section tank (Rick Holland)
13. 10:24 AM - Re: fueling center section tank (Gene & Tammy)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Lagowski Morrow)
15. 02:16 PM - Re: Landing gear tubing size (walt)
16. 03:34 PM - Re: Landing gear tubing size (Ryan Mueller)
17. 05:32 PM - elongating holes (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
18. 05:43 PM - 41CC flight today (Oscar Zuniga)
19. 06:52 PM - Re: elongating holes ()
20. 07:17 PM - Re: Landing gear tubing size (gcardinal)
21. 07:50 PM - Hand propping a 65 (Oscar Zuniga)
22. 07:51 PM - Re: fueling center section tank (Tim Willis)
23. 08:09 PM - Re: Landing gear tubing size (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | wood strut weights |
I weighed my struts, with the steel end strap fittings and the bracing
cables with associated hardware, including bolts. They weigh in a bit under
6 lbs each ( 5 lbs 12 oz).
Someone gave an aprox weight for aluminum struts at just over 4 lbs.
Havn't heard any weights yet for steel struts, but I'm guessing it won't be
less than the wood, though it might not be much more.
The strap fittings on each end are fairly substantial and undoubtedly add a
lot of weight, whereas they can be integral and much simpler when using a
steel strut.
Douwe
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| Subject: | fueling center section tank |
For those using a center section tank, what is your technique for getting up
there without using a ladder?
Never really paid attention to this before, but I'm now wondering if there
should be a step somewhere or can you use the tire/strut etc
???
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: fueling center section tank |
Douwe,
I have been faced with this dilemma and will probably try to add some kind of permanent
"refuling step"? made from aluminum streamline tubing. It will have to
stick-out of the fuze at the approximate height of the top longeron. Otherwise
it is near impossible to refuel without a ladder, especially because my filler
neck is located at the thickest part of the tank, close to the center. It
is hard to reach back there, and especially hard to see what you are doing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 3:06 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fueling center section tank
For those using a center section tank, what is your technique for getting up
there without using a ladder?
Never really paid attention to this before, but I'm now wondering if there
should be a step somewhere or can you use the tire/strut etc
???
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: fueling center section tank |
The fuel tank filler neck on NX18235's center section tank is offset to the
left for ease of fueling.
Standing on the tire puts me at a height that allows me to easily place the
fuel nozzle into the neck but not high enough to be able to see into the
tank.
A step built into the fuselage would have been a great help.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fueling center section tank
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> For those using a center section tank, what is your technique for getting
> up
> there without using a ladder?
>
> Never really paid attention to this before, but I'm now wondering if there
> should be a step somewhere or can you use the tire/strut etc
>
> ???
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Free Waldo Peppers Again! |
After reading Tim Verthein's offer for a copy of Waldo Pepper
I thought I'd see if my original DVD copy would transfer as well.
It did copy and I'll make the same offer that Tim did.
The copy will be on a DVD-R formated disc. This should play
on 90% of the DVD players currently on the market. I have found
that low quality players may not successfully play some
DVD-R discs. If you have a higher end DVD player, you should
be fine.
These copies are crisp and clear. You won't be able to tell the
difference from an original DVD. Each will feature full screen,
Dolby Digital sound, captioned, and with Spanish and French
subtitles, Region 1, scene index and features.
I'm asking $2.00 a copy to cover the cost of the disc, sleeve
and postage. I was at one time able to mail discs through the
mail for the cost of a stamp, but the USPS now adds a $.20
surcharge for DVD's because they have to hand cancel
each envelope.
Contact me off list at franck(at)geneseo.net if you are interested.
Put "Waldo" in the subject line and include your name and
mailing address. I'll mail out the movie, you watch it and
if you're satisfied, then you mail me the funds. Such a deal, huh?
Ron
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| Subject: | Hand propping a 65 |
In reading what's new on the fishnet group about hand propping a 65. it
was discussed about an add-on starter built from a battery drill.
Anyone hear of any/all tips.
PS I just want to touch a button. :^)
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
Walt, Look in the the Feb, or March Sport Aviation Magizine, there is a who
le artical on it.
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 3/29/09, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
From: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
In reading what's new on the fishnet group about hand propping a 65. it was
discussed about an add-on starter-built from a battery drill.
Anyone hear of any/all tips.
-
PS I just want to touch a button.-- :^)
-
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walt evans
NX140DL
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=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: fueling center section tank |
Douwe, Our filler neck is back a little to far to be at an easy reach.- I
have soaked my-canvas helmet-and my jacket 2 dozzen times from over ru
nning the tank.- It runs right into the rear cockpit.- On a positive no
te we only burn 100LL so it evaporates and doesn't leave that terrible auto
gas smell in the clothes or seat cussion.- Put it as far forward as prac
tcal, and watch out filling it on a hot summer day, when you spend 5 min tr
ying to find the line boy to pay for your gas, you will come back to an ove
r flowing vented fuel cap, and a wet seat.
-
Shad
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
April 2009 Sport Aviation has a small article on two options you could buy. Very
pricey!
Here are the details:
Harold Hamp:
7350 Osborn Rd
Elwell, MI 48832
989-463-1762
The other is an Alan Eke System which was detailed in Aug 2006 issue.
Regards,
Ameet
--- On Sun, 3/29/09, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> From: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
> To: Fishnet@topica.com, pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 9:49 AM
> In reading what's new on the fishnet group about hand
> propping a 65. it was discussed about an add-on starter
> built from a battery drill.
> Anyone hear of any/all tips.
>
> PS I just want to touch a button. :^)
>
>
> walt evans
> NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Al,My email address is:
conceptmodels@tds.net
Also Bill Rewey is more knowledgable than I, about the Riblett airfoil.
He doesn't do email but can be reached at
608-833.5839
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, ALAN LYSCARS <alyscars@myfairpoint.net>wrote:
> Gents:
>
> Does anyone have Roman Bukolt's email address?
>
> I purchased the Riblett airfoil drawing from Roman a few years ago. I'm
> just now setting up a jig to start building my ribs. I'm a little unsure on
> a couple of points on building these ribs, and I need a little help.
>
> Thanks Fellows,
>
> Al Lyscars
> Manchester, NH
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing gear tubing size |
The split axle gear that came with our project is not good to go,
unfortunately. We were scrutinizing the plans yesterday afternoon in
preparation for ordering tubing to fabricate new gear vees. The tubing
thickness called for is 14 gauge, which translates to .0785". The 4130 from
ACS, Wicks, Airparts, etc comes in either .065 or .095. What is the
consensus on the tubing thickness used?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: fueling center section tank |
I welded a couple of steps onto my left gear, copied the idea from a Piet at
Broadhead. The rear one to help people get in the front cockpit and the
front one (which is horizontal with the fuse down on the tailwheel) to get
to the top of the CC. Of course this won't work too well with wooden gear.
Rick
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> wrote:
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> For those using a center section tank, what is your technique for getting
> up
> there without using a ladder?
>
> Never really paid attention to this before, but I'm now wondering if there
> should be a step somewhere or can you use the tire/strut etc
>
> ???
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: fueling center section tank |
Sail boaters use folding mast steps that would work well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fueling center section tank
I welded a couple of steps onto my left gear, copied the idea from a
Piet at Broadhead. The rear one to help people get in the front cockpit
and the front one (which is horizontal with the fuse down on the
tailwheel) to get to the top of the CC. Of course this won't work too
well with wooden gear.
Rick
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
For those using a center section tank, what is your technique for
getting up
there without using a ladder?
Never really paid attention to this before, but I'm now wondering if
there
should be a step somewhere or can you use the tire/strut etc
???
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
The latest Sport Aviation or perhaps Sport Pilot has an article about
the guy who did this and will do it for others. I talked to him and all
he wants is~$1800 to do one for your plane--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: Fishnet@topica.com ; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
In reading what's new on the fishnet group about hand propping a 65.
it was discussed about an add-on starter built from a battery drill.
Anyone hear of any/all tips.
PS I just want to touch a button. :^)
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear tubing size |
Did you look at the Pietenpol plans?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear tubing size
The split axle gear that came with our project is not good to go,
unfortunately. We were scrutinizing the plans yesterday afternoon in
preparation for ordering tubing to fabricate new gear vees. The tubing
thickness called for is 14 gauge, which translates to .0785". The 4130
from ACS, Wicks, Airparts, etc comes in either .065 or .095. What is the
consensus on the tubing thickness used?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear tubing size |
Yes, hence I said the plans called for 14 gauge tubing. 1 3/8" diameter 14
gauge 1020 tubing, to be specific. I was looking at the 4130 sizes in the
Wicks, ACS, and Airparts catalogs because they do not have 1020 in the OD
needed (two don't even carry 1020).
Is this a "substitute with a particular size of 4130 tubing" situation, or a
"call Dillsburg Aero because no one else on the face of the earth carries 1
3/8" 14 gauge (.078) 1020 tubing anymore"?
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> Did you look at the Pietenpol plans?
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Landing gear tubing size
>
> The split axle gear that came with our project is not good to go,
> unfortunately. We were scrutinizing the plans yesterday afternoon in
> preparation for ordering tubing to fabricate new gear vees. The tubing
> thickness called for is 14 gauge, which translates to .0785". The 4130 from
> ACS, Wicks, Airparts, etc comes in either .065 or .095. What is the
> consensus on the tubing thickness used?
>
> Ryan
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | elongating holes |
Is it acceptable to elongate or oversize holes in order for some things to
line up? I'm putting the hinges on the elevators and one of them isn't mat
ching up quite right. I could either elongate /oversize the holes a bit or
plug them and re-drill. This also came up when I attached the horiz. stab
with the little metal brackets - didn't quite line up perfectly. Guess I'
m not drilling straight or something.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | 41CC flight today |
I took 41CC up this afternoon for the first time in two months. It's been
wayyyy too long but I had some squawks to take care of after the annual con
dition inspection and then we had some medical issues in the family that ha
ve been taking lots of my time. But today was the day and all the "essenti
al to safety of flight" squawks were taken care of and it was time to go up
. I'll wait and change the pop rivets on the fuel valve handle another tim
e=2C and I'll live with the tach cable the way it is for awhile too.
We had a stiff and gusty south breeze=2C pretty much straight down the runw
ay=2C and the airplane jumped right off the ground. Everything worked pret
ty as you please=2C I did three very nice landings on the grass=2C and am v
ery happy with the smoothness and harmony of the controls. I rerigged all
the tail surfaces since I had decided to pull the turnbuckles off and insta
ll some missing washers=2C proper cotter pins=2C and change out some mismat
ched hardware here and there. I also found a discarded shoe on the side of
the road on the way to the airport and I pinked out two leather rub patche
s and glued them to the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer where the
elevator cables touch. Voila=3B no more wear spots.
The Piet is such an enjoyable airplane to fly and to work on.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: elongating holes |
I would plug and re-drill
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: elongating holes
Is it acceptable to elongate or oversize holes in order for some
things to line up? I'm putting the hinges on the elevators and one of
them isn't matching up quite right. I could either elongate /oversize
the holes a bit or plug them and re-drill. This also came up when I
attached the horiz. stab with the little metal brackets - didn't quite
line up perfectly. Guess I'm not drilling straight or something.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear tubing size |
Ryan,
14 ga. tubing is .083 and is available from Dillsburg.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear tubing size
Yes, hence I said the plans called for 14 gauge tubing. 1 3/8"
diameter 14 gauge 1020 tubing, to be specific. I was looking at the 4130
sizes in the Wicks, ACS, and Airparts catalogs because they do not have
1020 in the OD needed (two don't even carry 1020).
Is this a "substitute with a particular size of 4130 tubing"
situation, or a "call Dillsburg Aero because no one else on the face of
the earth carries 1 3/8" 14 gauge (.078) 1020 tubing anymore"?
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Did you look at the Pietenpol plans?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear tubing size
The split axle gear that came with our project is not good to go,
unfortunately. We were scrutinizing the plans yesterday afternoon in
preparation for ordering tubing to fabricate new gear vees. The tubing
thickness called for is 14 gauge, which translates to .0785". The 4130
from ACS, Wicks, Airparts, etc comes in either .065 or .095. What is the
consensus on the tubing thickness used?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Hand propping a 65 |
Propping the engine is something I have mixed feelings about. On one hand
=2C I like the utter simplicity of having no electrics=2C no starter=2C no
gadgets and no messing about. On the other hand=2C I worry about the engin
e stopping sometime with only moments to spare for a retry in flight=2C and
not being able to give it another try at starting by just punching a butto
n or pulling a handle.
It's not really something I should worry about... they always say the main
thing to do when the engine quits is to fly the airplane and not worry with
gadgets that might distract. I have found my airplane to be extremely sim
ple and fuss-free=2C easy and quick to start now that I know the drill=2C a
nd not at all difficult to prop. I also think it adds an aura of "old time
-ness" to the whole flight when it begins with a hand-prop. It's how I lea
rned to fly and it always works.
On the other hand=2C there is a lot to be said for being in the cockpit=2C
strapped in=2C brakes set=2C and in control of everything when the engine i
s lit. There is no doubt that electric (or other automatic) starters have
something to be said for them. For now=2C though=2C I'm starter-free and h
appy with that. I sure wouldn't pay $1800 for a starter unless I lost the
physical ability to prop my airplane=2C and then I might be out of luck fly
ing entirely.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: fueling center section tank |
This is a problem I have not had to solve, thank goodness.
I have a picture somewhere of a fellow using a short plywood scaffold board to
refuel his Piet's center wing tank. As you likely know, any proper "scaffold
board" has boards on the underside, at each end of the main plank, at the overhangs,
so the board cannot slide off each end. In this case the plank is sited
across the upper longerons at the rear of the pilot's seat. The pilot can then
stand very high and see everything while filling the upper tank.
That would work very well at the home hangar, esp. on Piets without upholstery
there. However, where would you carry the board for trips? You don't want it
underfoot in the cockpits, and you don't want it behind the pilot for CG reasons.
And of course, wherever it might go, it has to be firmly affixed in its
storage agea, and well away from cables, bellcranks, etc., for in-flight safety.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>Sent: Mar 29, 2009 5:58 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fueling center section tank
>
>
>The fuel tank filler neck on NX18235's center section tank is offset to the
>left for ease of fueling.
>Standing on the tire puts me at a height that allows me to easily place the
>fuel nozzle into the neck but not high enough to be able to see into the
>tank. A step built into the fuselage would have been a great help.
>Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear tubing size |
Well, that's what I get for not doing things myself. :P There were three
people gathered around the Machinery Handbook, whilst I checked the gauge
listed on the plans. I should have verified that they were looking at the
correct chart (three relatively experienced people, one who is a
metalworker). Hmm, I'll have to check myself :P
Thanks Greg.
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
> *Ryan,*
> **
> *14 ga. tubing is .083 and is available from Dillsburg.*
> **
> *Greg Cardinal*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear tubing size
>
> Yes, hence I said the plans called for 14 gauge tubing. 1 3/8" diameter 14
> gauge 1020 tubing, to be specific. I was looking at the 4130 sizes in the
> Wicks, ACS, and Airparts catalogs because they do not have 1020 in the OD
> needed (two don't even carry 1020).
>
> Is this a "substitute with a particular size of 4130 tubing" situation, or
> a "call Dillsburg Aero because no one else on the face of the earth carries
> 1 3/8" 14 gauge (.078) 1020 tubing anymore"?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Did you look at the Pietenpol plans?
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Landing gear tubing size
>>
>> The split axle gear that came with our project is not good to go,
>> unfortunately. We were scrutinizing the plans yesterday afternoon in
>> preparation for ordering tubing to fabricate new gear vees. The tubing
>> thickness called for is 14 gauge, which translates to .0785". The 4130 from
>> ACS, Wicks, Airparts, etc comes in either .065 or .095. What is the
>> consensus on the tubing thickness used?
>>
>> Ryan
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