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1. 02:30 AM - Re: elongating holes (carson)
2. 04:05 AM - Re: elongating holes (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: Jim Lagowski Pietenpol completion in April Sport Pilot (Glenn Thomas)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: elongating holes (shad bell)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (Michael Perez)
6. 11:34 AM - some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 12:24 PM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (Gary Boothe)
8. 12:26 PM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (walt)
9. 12:51 PM - Photo resizing tool (jimbir)
10. 01:04 PM - Wingtip attachment (jimbir)
11. 01:26 PM - Re: Photo resizing tool (H RULE)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: Wingtip attachment (Jack T. Textor)
13. 01:52 PM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in Californi (K5YAC)
14. 02:10 PM - Re: Wingtip attachment (jimbir)
15. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Wingtip attachment (Jack T. Textor)
16. 04:00 PM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Lagowski Morrow)
17. 04:33 PM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (H RULE)
18. 04:35 PM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Gary Boothe)
19. 04:44 PM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Scott Knowlton)
20. 06:40 PM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (ALAN LYSCARS)
21. 07:08 PM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (Ryan Mueller)
22. 09:56 PM - Re: elongating holes (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: elongating holes |
I stuffed up a couple of holes and filled them with T88 and re drilled.
I think it will be ok the rest of the Piet is held together with it.
Carson
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Subject: | Re: elongating holes |
Tom,
I also had trouble with those plans-built hinges to line up. I had to do a lot
of fudging like you propose. Somebody has to have figured out a way to line-up
all those things. Maybe you could put a rod all the way through all three hinges
before marking for the holes in the wood? That sounds easy but in reality?
A slight bit of elongation will not hurt in my opinion. This is what I did.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
NX929DH
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Subject: | Re: Jim Lagowski Pietenpol completion in April Sport Pilot |
Yes, that's a pretty paint scheme and the wood color looks fantastic with the paint
colors. Cowling is nice too.
Is that a Fly Baby landing gear setup? Looks like it would be a bit lighter than
Jenny gear.
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Subject: | Re: elongating holes |
Mixing sawdust or fiberglass flox with t-88 would probably work well, I have to
fill one on my project as well.
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Al, I am using the 3 piece wing plan for the Pietenpol with the Riblett 612
ribs. What you must do is build the ribs per the Riblett full scale drawin
g and modify/include what you need to do match the print of the wing. (rega
rdless of the type of plane/wing)- Our Pietenpol wings use compression st
ruts at the drag cable attach points on the spars. These are separate from
the ribs. Our ribs do not include any kind of built in compression struts.
(if I am reading you question correctly.) There are extra braces that are b
uilt into a few ribs for the ends of the wings and those are also shown on
the Riblett plan.- My 3 piece Pietenpol wing will use a total of 31 ribs.
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Subject: | some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California |
go here: http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7708
Serial Number 1 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BOWE WALTER
Certificate Issue Date 10/12/2004 Model PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER Status Valid T
ype Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Num
ber Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50074262
MFR Year 2005 Fractional Owner NO
To search FAA registrations go here: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu
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Subject: | some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
Mike,
I recognize my old stompin' grounds.Thanks! .interesting routing of the
aileron cables..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
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D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in
California
go here: http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7708
Serial Number 1 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BOWE WALTER
Certificate Issue Date 10/12/2004 Model PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending
Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code
50074262 MFR Year 2005 Fractional Owner NO
To search FAA registrations go here:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/
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Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
That IS a beautiful plane!
Thanks Mike
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol
flying in California
go here: http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7708
Serial Number 1 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BOWE
WALTER Certificate Issue Date 10/12/2004 Model PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER
Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine
Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change
Authorized None Mode S Code 50074262 MFR Year 2005 Fractional Owner NO
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http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/
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Subject: | Photo resizing tool |
I buried this in a reply to a previous thread and you might have missed it. Here
it is again. It's a very handy picture resizing tool as an add-on from Microsoft
This link will tell you all about it. It allows you to select one or more
photos and make them smaller and better suited as attachments to lists such
as this.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/learnmore/tips/eschelman2.mspx
It says it's for XP but, I don't know why it wouldn't work with Vista.
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Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
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Subject: | Wingtip attachment |
Would you be so kind as to tell me the best way to attach the wingtips to the spars?
I can see the blocks at the leading and trailing edges but, the plans are
a little vague about the spars. Looks like some kind of an angle.
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Thanks, Jim Birke
Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
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Subject: | Re: Photo resizing tool |
Thanks very much to all those who replied to this thread.Your help was grea
tly appreciated.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________
________=0AFrom: jimbir <jimbir@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:49:01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Pho
r@yahoo.com>=0A=0AI buried this in a reply to a previous thread and you mig
ht have missed it. Here it is again. It's a very handy- picture resizing
tool as an add-on from Microsoft This link will tell you all about it. It a
llows you to select one or more photos and make them smaller and better sui
ted as attachments to lists such as this. =0A=0Ahttp://www.microsoft.com/wi
ndowsxp/using/digitalphotography/learnmore/tips/eschelman2.mspx=0A=0AIt say
s it's for XP but, I don't know why it wouldn't work with Vista.=0A=0A-----
---=0AJim Birke=0AIra G. Ross Aerospace Museum=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topi
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Subject: | Wingtip attachment |
Here you go Jim, more pictures on my site.
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
Californi
Very cool pics. I hope mine turns out that nice.
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Subject: | Re: Wingtip attachment |
Thanks for the info. A couple of questions. 1. bolt size thru the spars. 2. is
the screw thru the tip the same size as the screws thru the leading edge and
are they counter-bored the same way?
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Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
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Subject: | Re: Wingtip attachment |
Jim,
AN3 through the spars, the tip was a bit smaller (it was an MS?)and
bored in to hide the head.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimbir
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wingtip attachment
Thanks for the info. A couple of questions. 1. bolt size thru the spars.
2. is the screw thru the tip the same size as the screws thru the
leading edge and are they counter-bored the same way?
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Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
Oscar, Thanks or the hand prop comments. Appreciated. I'm new to hand
propping with my 65 Continental and no electrical system.I built in a
primer, use one or two squirts and then 4-5 props before turning the
mags on. This works most of the time on a cool engine. I don't have as
much success with a hot engine and am not sure why. I use chocks and
lock my hydraulic brakes with blocks on a cord. I also have a removable
metal tab on the throttle cable that limits the rpm to ~idle on startup.
My objective here is to avoid a prop "haircut". On idle the plane
doesn't creep, even on asphalt.
Any thoughts here that might help me do a more reliable/safe job in
starting?
Like you I like the simplicity of hand propping, no electrical system,
battery etc
Thanks for any experience you can share.--Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
Propping the engine is something I have mixed feelings about. On one
hand, I like the utter simplicity of having no electrics, no starter, no
gadgets and no messing about. On the other hand, I worry about the
engine stopping sometime with only moments to spare for a retry in
flight, and not being able to give it another try at starting by just
punching a button or pulling a handle.
It's not really something I should worry about... they always say the
main thing to do when the engine quits is to fly the airplane and not
worry with gadgets that might distract. I have found my airplane to be
extremely simple and fuss-free, easy and quick to start now that I know
the drill, and not at all difficult to prop. I also think it adds an
aura of "old time-ness" to the whole flight when it begins with a
hand-prop. It's how I learned to fly and it always works.
On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for being in the cockpit,
strapped in, brakes set, and in control of everything when the engine is
lit. There is no doubt that electric (or other automatic) starters have
something to be said for them. For now, though, I'm starter-free and
happy with that. I sure wouldn't pay $1800 for a starter unless I lost
the physical ability to prop my airplane, and then I might be out of
luck flying entirely.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
I believe it is not necessary to prime a hot engine.Chock it,tie it from th
e tail and give her some throttle and it should start.Find a nice place on
the throttle before you shut her down where it is a good idle point.Not so
much toward the shut off point,somewhat faster but not so fast that it want
s to take off on you.It never hurts to have someone in the know on the thro
ttle to cut her back once started.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________
______=0AFrom: Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:57:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pieten
pol-List: Hand propping a 65=0A=0A=0AOscar, Thanks or the hand prop comment
s. Appreciated.-I'm new to hand propping with my 65 Continental and no el
ectrical system.I built in a primer, use one or two squirts and then 4-5 pr
ops before turning the mags on. This works most of the time on a cool engin
e. I don't have as much success with a hot engine and am not sure why. I us
e chocks and lock my hydraulic brakes with blocks on a cord. I also have a
removable metal tab on the throttle cable-that limits the rpm to ~idle on
startup. My objective here is to avoid a prop "haircut". On idle the plane
doesn't creep, even on asphalt.=0A-=0AAny thoughts here that might help
me do a more reliable/safe job in starting?=0A-=0ALike you I like the sim
plicity of hand propping, no electrical system, battery etc=0A-=0AThanks
for any experience you can share.--Jim Lagowski=0A-=0ADo not archive=0A--
--- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0AS
ent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:48 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Hand proppi
ng a 65=0APropping the engine is something I have mixed feelings about.-
On one hand, I like the utter simplicity of having no electrics, no starter
, no gadgets and no messing about.- On the other hand, I worry about the
engine stopping sometime with only moments to spare for a retry in flight,
and not being able to give it another try at starting by just punching a bu
tton or pulling a handle.=0A=0AIt's not really something I should worry abo
ut... they always say the main thing to do when the engine quits is to fly
the airplane and not worry with gadgets that might distract.- I have foun
d my airplane to be extremely simple and fuss-free, easy and quick to start
now that I know the drill, and not at all difficult to prop.- I also thi
nk it adds an aura of "old time-ness" to the whole flight when it begins wi
th a hand-prop.- It's how I learned to fly and it always works.=0A=0AOn t
he other hand, there is a lot to be said for being in the cockpit, strapped
in, brakes set, and in control of everything when the engine is lit.- Th
ere is no doubt that electric (or other automatic) starters have something
to be said for them.- For now, though, I'm starter-free and happy with th
at.- I sure wouldn't pay $1800 for a starter unless I lost the physical a
bility to prop my airplane, and then I might be out of luck flying entirely
.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildra
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Subject: | Hand propping a 65 |
Jim,
For what it's worth, my Dad & I had a T-craft back in the '70's (A-65), and
we fought warm starts until we installed an impulse mag.proplem (pun
intended) solved!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski
Morrow
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
Oscar, Thanks or the hand prop comments. Appreciated. I'm new to hand
propping with my 65 Continental and no electrical system.I built in a
primer, use one or two squirts and then 4-5 props before turning the mags
on. This works most of the time on a cool engine. I don't have as much
success with a hot engine and am not sure why. I use chocks and lock my
hydraulic brakes with blocks on a cord. I also have a removable metal tab on
the throttle cable that limits the rpm to ~idle on startup. My objective
here is to avoid a prop "haircut". On idle the plane doesn't creep, even on
asphalt.
Any thoughts here that might help me do a more reliable/safe job in
starting?
Like you I like the simplicity of hand propping, no electrical system,
battery etc
Thanks for any experience you can share.--Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
Propping the engine is something I have mixed feelings about. On one hand,
I like the utter simplicity of having no electrics, no starter, no gadgets
and no messing about. On the other hand, I worry about the engine stopping
sometime with only moments to spare for a retry in flight, and not being
able to give it another try at starting by just punching a button or pulling
a handle.
It's not really something I should worry about... they always say the main
thing to do when the engine quits is to fly the airplane and not worry with
gadgets that might distract. I have found my airplane to be extremely
simple and fuss-free, easy and quick to start now that I know the drill, and
not at all difficult to prop. I also think it adds an aura of "old
time-ness" to the whole flight when it begins with a hand-prop. It's how I
learned to fly and it always works.
On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for being in the cockpit,
strapped in, brakes set, and in control of everything when the engine is
lit. There is no doubt that electric (or other automatic) starters have
something to be said for them. For now, though, I'm starter-free and happy
with that. I sure wouldn't pay $1800 for a starter unless I lost the
physical ability to prop my airplane, and then I might be out of luck flying
entirely.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
I was taught on a 65 horsepower champ a couple techniques that helped. Brakes and
throttle limiting are important but also during every start turn your fuel
valve on and then leave in the off position for starting. This only gives you
a gascolator full of fuel for the start so on that fateful day when you have
a throttle linkage malfunction along with brakes that aren't as strong as you
thought there is only enough gas for the airplane to make a short taxi. You'll
still have lots of time after a successful start to make your way to the cockpit
to turn the fuel back on.
For a hot start we would leave mags off throttle full and then ten blades backwards.
Then do a normal start. Worked every time! On a hot day where vapour
lock may be an issue if the above doesn't work, try turning the prop horizontal
and lifting the tail off the ground momentarily as high as you can. The extra
gravity of the fuel seems to get rid of the lock. Maybe all old wives tails
but they've worked for me. If nothing else it feels good to do something while
you are resting your arms from all that propping!
Scott Knowlton
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From: Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
Oscar, Thanks or the hand prop comments. Appreciated.I'm new to hand propping with
my 65 Continental and no electrical system.I built in a primer, use one or
two squirts and then 4-5 props before turning the mags on. This works most of
the time on a cool engine. I don't have as much success with a hot engine and
am not sure why. I use chocks and lock my hydraulic brakes with blocks on a cord.
I also have a removable metal tab on the throttle cablethat limits the rpm
to ~idle on startup. My objective here is to avoid a prop "haircut". On idle
the plane doesn't creep, even on asphalt.
Any thoughts here that might help me do a more reliable/safe job in starting?
Like you I like the simplicity of hand propping, no electrical system, battery
etc
Thanks for any experience you can share.--Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar
Zuniga <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
Propping the engine is something I have mixed feelings about. On one hand, I like
the utter simplicity of having no electrics, no starter, no gadgets and no
messing about. On the other hand, I worry about the engine stopping sometime with
only moments to spare for a retry in flight, and not being able to give it
another try at starting by just punching a button or pulling a handle.
It's not really something I should worry about... they always say the main thing
to do when the engine quits is to fly the airplane and not worry with gadgets
that might distract. I have found my airplane to be extremely simple and fuss-free,
easy and quick to start now that I know the drill, and not at all difficult
to prop. I also think it adds an aura of "old time-ness" to the whole flight
when it begins with a hand-prop. It's how I learned to fly and it always
works.
On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for being in the cockpit, strapped
in, brakes set, and in control of everything when the engine is lit. There is
no doubt that electric (or other automatic) starters have something to be said
for them. For now, though, I'm starter-free and happy with that. I sure wouldn't
pay $1800 for a starter unless I lost the physical ability to prop my airplane,
and then I might be out of luck flying entirely.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Thanks, Michael.
I'm now aware that I'll blend the Riblett airfoil construction into the
specific detail called out in my plans.
On a technical construction note (the egg or chicken story), how does
one transition from full-size ribs to ailerons during the jig work?
Make a bunch of full-size then cut them to order, or make required
number of full-size, then modify the jig?
And is it advisable to use 1/2" Sitka in the aileron spars or are you
all using something else?
With great thanks,
Al
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From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
Al, I am using the 3 piece wing plan for the Pietenpol with the
Riblett 612 ribs. What you must do is build the ribs per the Riblett
full scale drawing and modify/include what you need to do match the
print of the wing. (regardless of the type of plane/wing) Our Pietenpol
wings use compression struts at the drag cable attach points on the
spars. These are separate from the ribs. Our ribs do not include any
kind of built in compression struts. (if I am reading you question
correctly.) There are extra braces that are built into a few ribs for
the ends of the wings and those are also shown on the Riblett plan. My
3 piece Pietenpol wing will use a total of 31 ribs.
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Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
Al,
At least for the Pietenpol, you build full size ribs for the aileron portion
of the wing. After you have assembled the wing and finished installing the
various components for the ailerons (braces, beams/spars, etc) you cut the
ailerons free of the wing. Then you finish the aileron and bay off by
enclosing the open ends and adding 1/4x1/4 filler strips as shown in the
plans. What one might term the aileron false spar and aileron spar are
referred to as the "aileron beams" in the Piet plans, and are shown to be
1/2".
Ryan
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:38 PM, ALAN LYSCARS <alyscars@myfairpoint.net>wrote:
> Thanks, Michael.
>
> I'm now aware that I'll blend the Riblett airfoil construction into the
> specific detail called out in my plans.
>
> On a technical construction note (the egg or chicken story), how does one
> transition from full-size ribs to ailerons during the jig work? Make a
> bunch of full-size then cut them to order, or make required number
> of full-size, then modify the jig?
>
> And is it advisable to use 1/2" Sitka in the aileron spars or are you all
> using something else?
>
> With great thanks,
>
> Al
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 11:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
>
> Al, I am using the 3 piece wing plan for the Pietenpol with the Riblett
> 612 ribs. What you must do is build the ribs per the Riblett full scale
> drawing and modify/include what you need to do match the print of the wing.
> (regardless of the type of plane/wing) Our Pietenpol wings use compression
> struts at the drag cable attach points on the spars. These are separate from
> the ribs. Our ribs do not include any kind of built in compression struts.
> (if I am reading you question correctly.) There are extra braces that are
> built into a few ribs for the ends of the wings and those are also shown on
> the Riblett plan. My 3 piece Pietenpol wing will use a total of 31 ribs.
>
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Subject: | Re: elongating holes |
That's exactly what I did. I used 3/16" hard piano wire
from the hobby shop and a straight piece of 1 1/2" L
iron clamped 1"above the hinge rod. Clamp one hinge
to the stab then the other at the other end. Measure
the center rod as 1" down, clamp and start drilling.
Once I'd established the hinges and drilled them I
marked around the bases with a knife and routed out
the wood with a little hand router.
Also, wood cabane struts, go to my message #40283
from Jan 6 for strength and load calculations. Ash or
any other hardwood is overkill. Especialy considering
the weight penalty. Wing struts require a few more
strategicaly placed bolts.
Clif
Tom,
I also had trouble with those plans-built hinges to line up. I had to
do a lot of fudging like you propose. Somebody has to have figured out a
way to line-up all those things. Maybe you could put a rod all the way
through all three hinges before marking for the holes in the wood?
Dan Helsper
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