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1. 04:48 AM - Wood Adhesion (Ameet Savant)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (Gene Rambo)
3. 05:19 AM - hand propping (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
4. 06:10 AM - Re: hand propping (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
5. 06:17 AM - Hand propping a 65 (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 06:37 AM - some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:56 AM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (Robert Gow)
8. 07:51 AM - Re: hand propping (Ryan Mueller)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: hand propping (Dick N.)
10. 08:18 AM - Re: Riblett Airfoil (Michael Perez)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (H RULE)
12. 08:26 AM - Re: hand propping (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
13. 08:35 AM - Re: hand propping (H RULE)
14. 08:42 AM - Re: hand propping (H RULE)
15. 09:05 AM - Re: hand propping (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
16. 09:56 AM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (Mac Zirges)
17. 10:13 AM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California (bike.mike@comcast.net)
18. 10:27 AM - Re: hand propping (skellytown flyer)
19. 11:16 AM - Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in Californi (Don Emch)
20. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: hand propping (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
21. 11:38 AM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Lagowski Morrow)
22. 12:04 PM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (H RULE)
23. 12:51 PM - Fuselage Plywood (chase143)
24. 01:21 PM - Re: Fuselage Plywood (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
25. 01:21 PM - Re: Fuselage Plywood (jack phillips)
26. 01:26 PM - Re: hand propping (Ryan Mueller)
27. 01:38 PM - Re: hand propping story (shad bell)
28. 02:04 PM - Re: hand propping story (Jack T. Textor)
29. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuselage Plywood (Bill Church)
30. 02:12 PM - Re: Fuselage Plywood (Kip and Beth Gardner)
31. 06:56 PM - hand propping and The Great Waldo Pepper (Oscar Zuniga)
32. 07:01 PM - Thanks (Lagowski Morrow)
33. 08:04 PM - Re: Hand propping a 65 (Clif Dawson)
34. 08:11 PM - Re: hand propping (Clif Dawson)
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Hello all,
Here is a link to the results of a wood adhesion study I came across. It is a
pretty good read. I am looking at other parts of the website. It certainly has
some really good information about wood in general.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1997/vick97a.pdf
Regards,
Ameet Savant
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| Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
the routing is per the original plans!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol
flying in California
Mike,
I recognize my old stompin' grounds.Thanks! .interesting routing of
the aileron cables..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From:
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:31 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol
flying in California
go here:
http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7708<http://forum.planetalk.
net/viewtopic.php?t=7708>
Serial Number 1 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BOWE
WALTER Certificate Issue Date 10/12/2004 Model PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER
Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine
Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change
Authorized None Mode S Code 50074262 MFR Year 2005 Fractional Owner NO
To search FAA registrations go here:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/<http://registry.faa.gov/aircraft
inquiry/>
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comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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I have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on cross coun
try trips assures me that the airplane
will stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the tailwheel an
d then to either a tie down anchor in
the pavement or a nearby fence post.
I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone) prop you
r airplane but yourself. I have had
people say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no idea what
they were doing and were not
only dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To add to thi
s, most times those people didn't
get me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you know for a
fact that a person is experienced
at hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself either.
I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a big old leg
swing to prop a little Continental
engine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a big leg k
ick and if timed properly and you
have at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should be actuall
y able to prop the thing with one
hand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big theatrical l
eg kick helped back in the days
when you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped Stearman's and d
idn't require any off-balance
leg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down on the pr
op while stepping away from it
with my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion-- not bal
ancing on one foot and hoping you
don't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever works fo
r you.
The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric starters
for airplanes and cars. :))
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Mike, I agree about letting just anyone hand prop. The military flying club where
I learned to fly had an actual hand propping "Class" that you were required
to pass. Not difficult but you had to take it in order to go in the Piper cub.
Rules I quickly remember:
Pilot behid stick. not a wuffo
no hats or floppy shirt tails.
we did the leg swing but mostly as a reminder to be moving away from the prop after
swinging it.
Never run around the plane. (actually never run on the ramp.)
When the "Pilot" says "hot" his hand is on the mag switch, when "cold" his hand
is visible to the "Propper"
NEVER RUSH the proceedures!
Blue Skies and safe propping,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
>
> I have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on
> cross country trips assures me that the airplane
> will stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the
> tailwheel and then to either a tie down anchor in
> the pavement or a nearby fence post.
>
> I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone)
> prop your airplane but yourself. I have had
> people say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no
> idea what they were doing and were not
> only dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To
> add to this, most times those people didn't
> get me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you
> know for a fact that a person is experienced
> at hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself
> either.
> I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a
> big old leg swing to prop a little Continental
> engine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a
> big leg kick and if timed properly and you
> have at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should
> be actually able to prop the thing with one
> hand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big
> theatrical leg kick helped back in the days
> when you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped
> Stearman's and didn't require any off-balance
> leg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down
> on the prop while stepping away from it
> with my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion--
> not balancing on one foot and hoping you
> don't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever
> works for you.
>
> The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric
> starters for airplanes and cars. :))
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hand propping a 65 |
Jim=3B the way I start my 65 is pretty specific to the Stromberg NA-S3A1 ca
rb. What carb do you have on yours?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California |
Mikeee- that is truly a gorgeous airplane=2C and a very interesting aileron
cable setup. Sure makes it easy to inspect and service the cables and pul
leys!
The one thing that puzzles me is the apparent thrust-line of the engine. I
t sure seems to be cocked down but maybe that's just the angle of the photo
s or something. Look at the line of the top longerons and then the line of
the head or the prop axis. I guess that's the way they're setup though...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
There is a deliberate downward cant to the engine (memory says 3 degrees but
it may be more). This is to allow the thrust line to line up with the
direction of flight more directly in a climb. At least that's according to
the article in the Flying and Glider manual. I guess with 36 horsepower he
thought he could use any advantage at all.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: March 31, 2009 8:32 AM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying
in California
Mikeee- that is truly a gorgeous airplane, and a very interesting aileron
cable setup. Sure makes it easy to inspect and service the cables and
pulleys!
The one thing that puzzles me is the apparent thrust-line of the engine.
It sure seems to be cocked down but maybe that's just the angle of the
photos or something. Look at the line of the top longerons and then the
line of the head or the prop axis. I guess that's the way they're setup
though...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Mike,
I agree about the leg kick being an unnecessary thing that's picked up from
the movies. In addition to being unnecessary, it also makes the whole
process more dangerous. When your leg is coming back down and swinging
behind you, the natural movement for your torso to make is to lean forward.
You actually end up bringing your upper body closer to the path of the
propeller with that ridiculous method.
One thing I still haven't gotten used to, since getting hitched, is propping
with a wedding ring. I always take it off and slip it in my pocket, as I
don't want to scratch the finish on the prop. :P
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> I have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on cross
> country trips assures me that the airplane
> will stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the tailwheel
> and then to either a tie down anchor in
> the pavement or a nearby fence post.
>
> I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone) prop
> your airplane but yourself. I have had
> people say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no idea what
> they were doing and were not
> only dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To add to
> this, most times those people didn't
> get me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you know for a
> fact that a person is experienced
> at hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself either.
>
> I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a big old leg
> swing to prop a little Continental
> engine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a big leg
> kick and if timed properly and you
> have at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should be
> actually able to prop the thing with one
> hand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big theatrical
> leg kick helped back in the days
> when you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped Stearman's and
> didn't require any off-balance
> leg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down on the
> prop while stepping away from it
> with my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion-- not
> balancing on one foot and hoping you
> don't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever works
> for you.
>
> The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric starters
> for airplanes and cars. :))
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Mike
I pretty much agree with your thoughts. Having wire wheels, I carry 2
nylon cargo straps which get tucked under the seat while flying. I tie
from the rear cabane strut, around the top of the wheel and back to the
cabane. one on each side. It keeps the wheels locked in place.
Also the country really went downhill when teachers lost the paddle in
the classroom.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
I have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on cross
country trips assures me that the airplane
will stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the
tailwheel and then to either a tie down anchor in
the pavement or a nearby fence post.
I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone)
prop your airplane but yourself. I have had
people say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no idea
what they were doing and were not
only dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To add
to this, most times those people didn't
get me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you know
for a fact that a person is experienced
at hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself
either.
I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a big
old leg swing to prop a little Continental
engine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a big
leg kick and if timed properly and you
have at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should be
actually able to prop the thing with one
hand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big
theatrical leg kick helped back in the days
when you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped Stearman's
and didn't require any off-balance
leg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down on
the prop while stepping away from it
with my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion--
not balancing on one foot and hoping you
don't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever
works for you.
The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric
starters for airplanes and cars. :))
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett Airfoil |
I agree with Ryan, Al. You use the same rib jig for all the ribs. The only
difference are the extra cap strip pieces that are shown on the Riblett pla
n as well as the Pietenpol plan for the end ribs. (the last wing rib before
the center section and the last rib at the wing tip.)
-
Build the entire wing with all the aileron Pisces in place. Then using a sm
all hand saw, cut the aileron free. Once free finish up the cut areas both
on the free aileron as well as the aileron bay on the wing as per the print
s. (As Ryan said. We are referring to the Pietenpol prints.)
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| Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
Yup that's the way the engine is supposed to be mounted on the Piet and the
GN-1 Aircamper.No mistake about it that's right in the directions.=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@h
otmail.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tue
sday, March 31, 2009 9:32:27 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous ph
otos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California=0A=0AMikeee- that is truly a
gorgeous airplane, and a very interesting aileron cable setup.- Sure make
s it easy to inspect and service the cables and pulleys!=0A-=0AThe one th
ing that puzzles me is the apparent thrust-line of the engine.- It sure s
eems to be cocked down but maybe that's just the angle of the photos or som
ething.- Look at the line of the top longerons and then the line of the h
ead or the prop axis.- I guess that's the way they're setup though...=0A
-=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrag
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Great posts about the wedding ring Ryan and paddling kids in school Dick N.
! What about when they let women vote and start smoking ? :))))
Uh boy, I can hear the bleeding heart liberals now thinking I might be actu
ally serious. PS...take a break, unwind undies. I am just KIDDING.
PSS---- I re-read my post and by no means did I mean to belittle the seriou
sness of hand propping an airplane nor did I want to make fun
of those incredibly brave men who flew early hand-propped airplanes both in
civilian and military roles by likening them to my grandmother's
ability to hand prop but if you do it, just try to learn from someone who r
eally knows what they are doing and practice it on a dead engine
somewhere safe with the plug wires disconnected and the fuel off. Hand pr
opping is still a super serious thing and the one post put it best----
take your time, think thru each step. If you're in a rush, don't fly.
Go home and have some chips. Take 5, chock the plane, tie it down,
do anything but rush.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
With an electric starter it just means that you old guys can fly longer!=0A
=0A=0A=0AThe whole country went down the drain when they invented electric
starters for airplanes and cars.-- :))=0A-=0AMike C.=0A-=0A-=0A
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
There was a man that used to come to our RAA meetings.One day he happened t
o just move his prop to the horizontal position and it fired and almost kil
led him.The prop stuck his head and caved part of it in.He doesn't fly anym
ore or come to our meetings.Be careful out there when touching props in any
manner.You never know when a mag off switch is going to fail or if there i
s gas in the chamber or when it will fire.Always treat a prop like you woul
d a loaded gun,never assume anything.=0A=0Aarchive this=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerosp
ace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.
com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:25:4
2 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hand propping=0A=0A=0AGreat posts about
the wedding ring Ryan and paddling kids in school Dick N.-- !---
-- What about when they let women vote and start smoking ?- :))))=0A
-=0AUh boy, I can hear the bleeding heart liberals now thinking I might b
e actually serious.-- PS...take a break, unwind undies.- I am just KI
DDING. =0A-=0APSS---- I re-read my post and by no means did I mean to bel
ittle the seriousness of hand propping an airplane nor did I want to make f
un=0Aof those incredibly brave men who flew early hand-propped airplanes bo
th in civilian and military roles by likening them to my grandmother's=0Aab
ility to hand prop but if you do it, just try to learn from someone who rea
lly knows what they are doing and practice it on a dead engine=0Asomewhere
safe with the plug wires disconnected and the fuel off.-- Hand propping
is still a super serious thing and the one post put it best----=0Atake you
r time, think thru each step.-- If you're in a rush, don't fly.--
- Go home and have some chips.-- Take 5, chock the plane, tie it down
===============
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
A fellow in the Amarillo, TX area has had two incidents with moving a prop and
the engine starting.
First time he was turning the prop to "Break the oil loose" on a somewhat cool
day and his tripacer started and taxied into a Cessna 182 with 3 pax waiting for
the pilot to finish paying for fuel. No one was hurt but both planes were damages.
They think he had accidently hit the mag switch onto one mag while loading
the plane. I heard it happen, and when I stuck my head outside there was
still aluminium flying. Sounded like someone putting a mower on a steel fencepost.
Second time he had a single seat homebuilt and was turning the prop and it fired.
He dove out of the way and the plane taxied down the runway at an angle and
tookoff. but the wheels caught on a Bobwire fence and the plane flipped onto
railroad tracks. No train was coming and the plane wreckage was rescured.
I think he has quit flying. He had a good reputation as a safe pilot and was otherwise
respected.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
> There was a man that used to come to our RAA meetings.One day he
> happened to just move his prop to the horizontal position and it
> fired and almost killed him.The prop stuck his head and caved part
> of it in.He doesn't fly anymore or come to our meetings.Be careful
> out there when touching props in any manner.You never know when a
> mag off switch is going to fail or if there is gas in the chamber
> or when it will fire.Always treat a prop like you would a loaded
> gun,never assume anything.
>
> archive this
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:25:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
>
>
> Great posts about the wedding ring Ryan and paddling kids in school Dick N. !
What about when they let women vote and start smoking ? :))))
>
> Uh boy, I can hear the bleeding heart liberals now thinking I might be actually
serious. PS...take a break, unwind undies. I am just KIDDING.
>
> PSS---- I re-read my post and by no means did I mean to belittle the seriousness
of hand propping an airplane nor did I want to make fun
> of those incredibly brave men who flew early hand-propped airplanes both in civilian
and military roles by likening them to my grandmother's
> ability to hand prop but if you do it, just try to learn from someone who really
knows what they are doing and practice it on a dead engine
> somewhere safe with the plug wires disconnected and the fuel off. Hand propping
is still a super serious thing and the one post put it best----
> take your time, think thru each step. If you're in a rush, don't fly. Go home
and have some chips. Take 5, chock the plane, tie it down===============
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| Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
Gorgeous ship, but wing will be more solid if he adds some jury
struts--and it will make it easier for passengers to get in also since
he can then remove the crosswires at front cockpit side.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol
flying in California
go here: http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7708
Serial Number 1 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BOWE
WALTER Certificate Issue Date 10/12/2004 Model PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER
Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine
Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change
Authorized None Mode S Code 50074262 MFR Year 2005 Fractional Owner NO
To search FAA registrations go here:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/
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| Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
California
I believe you're thinking of the cabane brace struts that tie the top of the cabanes
to the engine mounts, maintaining wing fore/aft position. Jury struts stabilize
the lift struts near (but not at) mid span of the struts. NX12988 does
have jury struts. The cross-bracing cables by the passenger cockpit are what
is specified in the original plans. NX12988 looks beautifully plans-built.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mac Zirges" <macz@casco.net>
Sent: Monday, January 1, 1990 2:02:46 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in
California
Gorgeous ship, but wing will be more solid if he adds some jury struts--and it
will make it easier for passengers to get in also since he can then remove the
crosswires at front cockpit side.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in California
go here: http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7708
Serial Number 1 Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name BOWE WALTER Certificate
Issue Date 10/12/2004 Model PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER Status Valid Type Aircraft
Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change
None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50074262 MFR Year 2005
Fractional Owner NO
To search FAA registrations go here: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Steven I tried to e-mail you but the address didn't work-do you live in Amarillo?
I'm 50 miles away.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: some gorgeous photos of a Ford Pietenpol flying in |
Californi
It has jury struts. Those are the ones out on the main struts. The original plans
show the brace cables between the cabanes on the right side. Walt tried
to keep it as original to the plans (Flying and Glider Manual) as possible. Heck
he even used an N number from one of Mr. Pietenpol's ships. That particular
one though had the steel split axle gear. Sure is a pretty ship!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Raymond, I think we discussed a Piet that is in a museum in Canadian at some point
in the past.
----- Original Message -----
From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
>
> Steven I tried to e-mail you but the address didn't work-do you live in Amarillo?
I'm 50 miles away.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
Oscar, my carb is the same as yours, NA-S3A1, per my engine log
book.-Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand propping a 65
Jim; the way I start my 65 is pretty specific to the Stromberg NA-S3A1
carb. What carb do you have on yours?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
I am greatly disapointed.I didn't even get a rise out of you guys with my remark
about starters for old guys so you can fly longer.That's my excuse for flying
as an old guy!
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| Subject: | Fuselage Plywood |
Hello all,
I apologize if this has been asked but there was little in the archive regarding
plywood preferences for the fuselage large pieces. I cant seem to find sitka
spruce (preferred) in large sheets. Does anyone have a good source and/or recommendations
for/against the following 3 choices from Boulter?
Khaya African Mahogany, Flat Sawn
Okoume, Rotary Cut
White Birch, Rotary Cut
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Plywood |
LOL, at first glance this looked like an email from Kenya asking me to help get
$10million out of the country by givng them my bank account number.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
>
> Khaya African Mahogany, Flat Sawn
> Okoume, Rotary Cut
> White Birch, Rotary Cut
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Plywood |
Hi Steve,
=C2-
I used mahagony (1/8") for the sides and birch (1/4") for the floor.=C2-
Birch is stronger, mahogany is lighter.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
--- On Tue, 3/31/09, chase143 <chase143@aol.com> wrote:
From: chase143 <chase143@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Plywood
<chase143@aol.com>
Hello all,
I apologize if this has been asked but there was little in the archive
regarding plywood preferences for the fuselage large pieces. I can=C3=A2
=82=AC=84=A2t seem
to find sitka spruce (preferred) in large sheets. Does anyone have a good s
ource
and/or recommendations for/against the following 3 choices from Boulter?
Khaya African Mahogany, Flat Sawn
Okoume, Rotary Cut
White Birch, Rotary Cut
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Breaking the oil loose, eh? You would think that even on the coldest day in
Texas the starter would have the oomph to overcome the friction from all
that solidified oil... ;)
I think one of the things that this gentleman's tales of woe illustrates is
to avoid complacency. One should strive to not become complacent in the air;
there is no reason to not have the same mindset on the ground. If you are
going to be moving the propeller, there is absolutely no reason to not take
the time to step around to the cockpit/cabin and verify that the switches
are off, the throttle is closed, etc. If you are pulling the engine through
before you go flying you should verify those conditions. If you are turning
the prop into a particular position after you have shutdown, then you should
have verified those conditions when you exited the aircraft.
As Mike pointed out, take your time and be deliberate about the act of
hand-propping an airplane. As they used to tell us on the rifle ranges: slow
is smooth, and smooth is fast.
And as Harvey stated, treat every propeller as if it is loaded. And never
point your propeller at anything that you do not intend to fly....or
something like that. :)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> A fellow in the Amarillo, TX area has had two incidents with moving a prop
> and the engine starting.
>
> First time he was turning the prop to "Break the oil loose" on a somewhat
> cool day and his tripacer started and taxied into a Cessna 182 with 3 pax
> waiting for the pilot to finish paying for fuel. No one was hurt but both
> planes were damages. They think he had accidently hit the mag switch onto
> one mag while loading the plane. I heard it happen, and when I stuck my head
> outside there was still aluminium flying. Sounded like someone putting a
> mower on a steel fencepost.
>
> Second time he had a single seat homebuilt and was turning the prop and it
> fired. He dove out of the way and the plane taxied down the runway at an
> angle and tookoff. but the wheels caught on a Bobwire fence and the plane
> flipped onto railroad tracks. No train was coming and the plane wreckage was
> rescured.
>
> I think he has quit flying. He had a good reputation as a safe pilot and
> was otherwise respected.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
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| Subject: | hand propping story |
When I was a kid (17 or 18) and the line boy,-I remember having a very cl
ose call while handpropping a tricycle gear cessna 150.- The ramp was wet
ashphalt and some one left the master on for 3 or 4 hrs.-I don't think
-the guy in the cockpit knew his ass from his elbow when it came to start
ing an engine.- Long story short He had the throttle set wrong (wide open
) and I tried and tried to get it started by hand propping it.- Eventuall
y a old timer came out and chastized me for not having someone sit on the t
ail to get more of a taildragger stance, and he sat on it.- Well a few ba
ldes later after exausting myself-I slipped and went right on my back und
er the prop.- Thank God I thought quick enough to let go of the prop on t
he way down, so it did not go through compression.- That was the only clo
se call I have had with props,-except for-some old fart at Brodhead las
t year wanting to try on the piet for size and he hit the starter button wi
th his
knee while climbing out, and dad got whacked in the arm by the prop.- Pr
ops are inherintly dangerous if you got a electric starter or you hand prop
they will get you if you are not careful.
-
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| Subject: | hand propping story |
When I worked at Elliott Flying Service going through college, we had a
guy and his partner prop a Bellanca, 6 cylinder, not sure of the size.
Full throttle, brakes couldn't hold, he went through a fence and into
the line office. Lot's of damage to plane and property, lucky no people
were injured!
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Fuselage Plywood |
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Plywood |
Just make sure you get a type that's glued with the correct glue.
It's been a long time since i looked into this, but there is some
kind of Lloyd's or British Mil. Spec. rating that indicates the
correct adhesive.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 31, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote:
> NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> LOL, at first glance this looked like an email from Kenya asking me
> to help get $10million out of the country by givng them my bank
> account number.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>>
>> Khaya African Mahogany, Flat Sawn
>> Okoume, Rotary Cut
>> White Birch, Rotary Cut
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | hand propping and The Great Waldo Pepper |
I'm nearly certain that I saw a scene in TGWP where an airplane is propped
and the pilot reaches over to work the ignition switches which are located
on the outside of the cockpit. It's not the first time I've seen mag switc
hes on the outside of those old-timey planes=2C either. Now there's a way
to ensure that the propper knows the condition of the mags=2C hot or cold:
they are clearly visible to him/her.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Thanks guys for the comments on hand propping! Much appreciated. I'll be
careful.
Looking forward to real Spring. Sunday it was another blast of heavy,
wet snow up here in N.W. Michigan. A local avionics friend helped me put
together an intercom rig , in anticipation my first '09 flight.
Jim Lagowski
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| Subject: | Re: Hand propping a 65 |
You're not old till you get dates by telling the ladies that
you're licenced to drive at night.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
I am greatly disapointed.I didn't even get a rise out of you guys with
my remark about starters for old guys so you can fly longer.That's my
excuse for flying as an old guy!
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
The Tigermoths I've seen, like this one, have the mag switches
on the outside ahead of the pilots windshield where they're
visible to the prop man.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
If you are going to be moving the propeller, there is absolutely no
reason to not take the time to step around to the cockpit/cabin and
verify that the switches are off, the throttle is closed, etc. Ryan
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