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     1. 03:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol old slick mag capaacitors (Wizzard187@aol.com)
     2. 03:37 AM - From the Newswire at work this morning-Sorta OT (Tim Verthein)
     3. 04:07 AM - fuse covering/cable routing (Douwe Blumberg)
     4. 04:26 AM - Re: fuse covering/cable routing (helspersew@aol.com)
     5. 04:37 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (gcardinal)
     6. 04:40 AM - Re: gieniology (H RULE)
     7. 04:56 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (Ed G.)
     8. 05:33 AM - Pietenpol old Slick mag capacitors (Oscar Zuniga)
     9. 06:05 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (pietn38b@aol.com)
    10. 06:10 AM - Re: gas tank float (hvandervoo@aol.com)
    11. 06:13 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    12. 07:04 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles ()
    13. 09:04 AM - Re: fuse covering/cable routing (shad bell)
    14. 09:12 AM - Re: pilotless flights (shad bell)
    15. 09:50 AM - Re: pilotless flights (Ed G.)
    16. 11:04 AM - Brodhead (K5YAC)
    17. 11:48 AM - Re: Brodhead (Richard Schreiber)
    18. 02:03 PM - looking thru old pics (walt)
    19. 02:50 PM - looking through old pics (Oscar Zuniga)
    20. 03:10 PM - =?UTF-8?Q?Check out Tailspin's Tales: =A2 Bird ?= =?UTF-8?Q?In The Cornfield? (DarmahBoy@aol.com)
    21. 03:21 PM - Re: looking through old pics (walt)
    22. 03:37 PM - Re: looking thru old pics (Lagowski Morrow)
    23. 05:10 PM - Re: gas tank float (walt)
    24. 06:49 PM - Re: gas tank float (Lagowski Morrow)
    25. 07:02 PM - Re: gas tank float (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    26. 07:19 PM - Re: Brodhead (Dick N.)
    27. 07:52 PM - Re: Brodhead (K5YAC)
    28. 07:58 PM - Re: Brodhead (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    29. 08:49 PM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (jorge lizarraga)
    30. 09:34 PM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (jorge lizarraga)
    31. 09:36 PM - Re: Brodhead (K5YAC)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol  old  slick mag capaacitors | 
      
      Anybody know where I can  find two capacitors for  Slick 447  mags.?  Part 
      number is 14-48A. I am trying to get a 85 cont. to run.  Thanks  Ken Conrad in
      
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| Subject:  | From the Newswire at work this morning-Sorta OT | 
      
      
      
      >From the newswire this morning:
      
      Plane takes off without pilot 
      
      An aircraft took off on its own when the pilot could not get into the cockpit in
      time after starting the propellor manually.
      
      Hundreds of visitors to an air show at Goodwood airfield watched in horror as the
      runaway biplane took off, soared into the air and then crashed into trees,
      reports the Daily Telegraph.
      
      Had it cleared the trees it is believed the plane, which was headed towards nearby
      Chichester, West Sussex, could have flown for around 150 miles on a full tank
      of fuel.
      
      The small plane had just been refuelled before the incident and its pilots had
      'swung' the propellers to restart the engine before getting inside to fly it.
      
      But the aircraft - a 1940 model built in the style of a Tiger Moth - began moving
      before the pilot had a chance to board it.
      
      Retired aircraft engineer Malcolm Phillips, 67 of Emsworth, Hants, said: "There
      were hundreds of people there watching as the plane ran amok, haring round in
      circles.
      
      "We didn't know which way it was going to go and it was worrying that it could
      head towards the crowd, other planes or the clubhouse."
      
      Mr Phillips added: "Normally the idea is that you swing the propellers and have
      the handbrake on and chocks under the wheels. You also need to make sure the
      throttle is only set at low revs.
      
      "Something clearly went wrong and it jumped over the chocks - I suspect what might
      have happened is that the throttle became loose."
      
      
      Be careful out there!
      Tim in Bovey
      
      
            
      
      
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| Subject:  | fuse covering/cable routing | 
      
      
      Good morning everyone!
      
      Did you guys cover the fuselage under the horizontal stabilizer or leave it
      open?
      
      Seems open would be very nice, almost necessary for access, but would
      certainly let water inside very easily.
      
      Also...
      
      Anybody have some good tricks for estimating where to cut the holes in the
      covering for control cables to exit/enter?
      
      Thanks,
      
      Douwe
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: fuse covering/cable routing | 
      
      Hi Douwe,
      
      Before I disassembled for covering, I taped some paper together onto the structure
      where the cables exited and made "maps" where the exit points were. I have
      no clue how it could be done after the fact.... maybe a laser (if its not painted
      yet).
      
      Dan Helsper
      Poplar Grove, IL
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      
      B & B Aircraft Supplies
      202 N Center St 
      Gardner, KS 66030 
      
      (913) 884-5930
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: jorge lizarraga 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:37 PM
        Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
              I hope you foun these plase because I neede too. probably if you 
      found a boneyard is de best but here in ca, is not to mouch were looking 
      for
      
              --- On Mon, 4/6/09, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
      
                From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
                Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
                To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" 
      <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
                Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:08 PM
      
      
                Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase 
      turnbuckles these days?  Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks.
      
                Tom B.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: tenpol-List:gieniology | 
      
      Sorry Corky,I just couldn't resist.HAHAHA!Your such a colourful Gentleman from
      the south and I'm a Canadian Yankee ya might say.Lov ya!!!!
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      
      Hi Tom  I have bought turnbuckles from B&B aircraft. They sell them by the 
      piece but if you give them the AN numbers from the ACS cataloge they will s
      end you what you need. They are also not shiny new pieces like ACS's they s
      eem to be new/old stock but perfectly fine hardware. I forget what the last
       ones I bought for the drag wires in my wings cost but I'm thinking like 8 
      bucks a piece. They are also great people to work with.  Ed G.
      
      
      From: tmbrant@msn.com
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
      Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles the
      se days?  Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks.
      
      Tom B.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pietenpol old Slick mag capacitors | 
      
      
      Ken=3B you might try Arnold Kesselring=2C d/b/a "Arn-Air"=2C right there in
       your state of Iowa.  Contact info here:
      
      
      Arn-Air
      
      Attn Arnold Kesselring
      PO Box 148
      Bayard=2C IA 50029
      USA
      
      Phone: 712-651-2255
      Fax: 712-651-2258
      
      
      He made a new ignition harness for one of my mags and I believe he works on
       older stuff so he should be able to help you.
      
      Oscar Zuniga
      Air Camper NX41CC
      San Antonio=2C TX
      mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
      website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      I bought all my turnbuckles at B&B aircraft sales in 
      
      
      I bought all my turn buckles at B&B aircraft sales in Gardner,  KS.  Much 
      cheaper than AS or Wicks.  They deal in a lot of  surplus.  Phone no. is 
      913-884-5930  Jim
      
      
      In a message dated 4/6/2009 11:38:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
      flightwood@yahoo.com writes:
      
      I hope you foun these plase because I neede too. probably  if you found a 
      boneyard is de best but here in ca, is not to mouch were  looking for
      
      --- On Mon, 4/6/09, TOM MICHELLE BRANT  <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
      
      From:  TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List:  best place to buy turnbuckles
      
       Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase  turnbuckles 
      these days?  Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is  Wicks.
      
      Tom B.
      
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      (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) 
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| Subject:  | Re: gas tank float | 
      
      Try this
      
      http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=240075+01
      
      Works for me
      
      Hans
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
      Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:36 pm
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
      
      
      
      What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot of
      
      car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can check
      
      out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on
      
      which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neck and
      
      have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      Does anyone have a list of all the turnbuckles and AN numbers needed  to 
      build a piet ?
      
      John
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| Subject:  | Re: best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      Try B&B Supply, they usually have the best prices.  Last number I have 
      for them is (913-884-5930).  No website that I know of.
      
      Chris
      Sacramento, CA
      WestCoastPiet.com
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:08 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
        Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase 
      turnbuckles these days?  Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks.
      
        Tom B.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: fuse covering/cable routing | 
      
      Dowue, make a cardboard template to simulate the covering, and run the cabl
      es with the tail installed and cut slits in the cardboard where needed.- 
      Simply lay the cardboard over the covering after it is installed and cut yo
      ur cable exits.- One other trick I learded from the Old Man, was to make 
      an oversized-tear dropped shaped piece of fabric, and a smaller tear shap
      ed piece of leather (for the cable exits) and sew the leather to the fabric
       with rib lacing cord etc, then glue the fabric patch(with leather sewed on
      )-to the fabric on the fuselage.- This will not peel off like so many o
      f the glued on leather patches, the dacron sticks to dacron much, much bete
      r than leather does.
      -
      Just some tricks to try,
      Shad=0A=0A=0A      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: pilotless flights | 
      
      You guys might remember a simmilar incident that happened here in Ohio abou
      t 8-10 years ago.- A -7AC champ did something simmilar but no one was a
      round it when it started (supposidly).- A guy flew to breakfast and the e
      ngine quit while taxing to the ramp, well I guess the pushed it of the runw
      ay and forgot to shut the mags off.- Then after-he walked away from the
       airplane the engine kicked back due to a hot spot in the cylinder etc.- 
      The champ took off and flew- 100 miles or so untill the gas ran out, and 
      landed in a field in eastern ohio.- I remember listening in to CMH approa
      ch on the base unit, at DLZ where I was the Line boy, and the state highway
       patrol was folowing it in a helicopter untill the heli got low on fuel.-
       The HW patrol heli was at 9000 ft when he turned back for fuel.- I guess
       those 7 AC's fly like a champ, pilot or not.
      -
      I know this story sounds far fetched, but look it up if you do not believe 
      me! Airport was Urbana Grimes In Urbana Ohio, between 1997-2002 or so.
      -
      Shad=0A=0A=0A      
      
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| Subject:  | pilotless flights | 
      
      
      I remember that story and I can believe it. I fly a Champ and the only diff
      icult thing about learning to fly it was getting it to stay down on the run
      way when landing. they just want to keep flying.   Ed
      
      
      From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilotless flights
      
      
      You guys might remember a simmilar incident that happened here in Ohio abou
      t 8-10 years ago.  A  7AC champ did something simmilar but no one was aroun
      d it when it started (supposidly).  A guy flew to breakfast and the engine 
      quit while taxing to the ramp=2C well I guess the pushed it of the runway a
      nd forgot to shut the mags off.  Then after he walked away from the airplan
      e the engine kicked back due to a hot spot in the cylinder etc.  The champ 
      took off and flew  100 miles or so untill the gas ran out=2C and landed in 
      a field in eastern ohio.  I remember listening in to CMH approach on the ba
      se unit=2C at DLZ where I was the Line boy=2C and the state highway patrol 
      was folowing it in a helicopter untill the heli got low on fuel.  The HW pa
      trol heli was at 9000 ft when he turned back for fuel.  I guess those 7 AC'
      s fly like a champ=2C pilot or not.
      
      I know this story sounds far fetched=2C but look it up if you do not believ
      e me! Airport was Urbana Grimes In Urbana Ohio=2C between 1997-2002 or so.
      
      Shad
      
      
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      My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this summer.  It
      has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how the exposure would
      be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what is sure to be some
      good ol camaraderie.  It is on the calendar and I've already requested the time
      off.  
      
      That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly?  I mean, we are pretty
      good planners, but we just don't know what to expect.  We are planning to drive
      up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal camping gear, to
      include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, but we are unsure of other
      accommodations, such as water, electricity, showers, restrooms, etc.  We
      are normally pretty flexible, but would prefer to pack/plan accordingly.  
      
      I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... as you
      can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been related
      to the actual event.  I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA sites, but I've
      been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps I overlooked the
      information.  
      
      Any suggestions for us newbies?
      
      --------
      Mark
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174
      
      
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      Mark:
      
      Food at Brodhead is catered if you want it. I usually flyin with a tent,
      sleeping bag, clothes and a camera. There are restaurants in Brodhead if
      you don't want to eat on the field. There is usually so much going on at
      the field, I hate to leave, unless I am goinh to dinner with friends.
      
      Rick Schreiber
      
      
      > [Original Message]
      > From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
      > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Date: 4/7/2009 1:08:01 PM
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
      >
      >
      > My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this
      summer.  It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how
      the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what
      is sure to be some good ol camaraderie.  It is on the calendar and I've
      already requested the time off.  
      >
      > That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly?  I mean, we are
      pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect.  We are
      planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal
      camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it,
      but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity,
      showers, restrooms, etc.  We are normally pretty flexible, but would prefer
      to pack/plan accordingly.  
      >
      > I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words...
      as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been
      related to the actual event.  I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA
      sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps I
      overlooked the information.  
      >
      > Any suggestions for us newbies?
      >
      > --------
      > Mark
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | looking thru old pics | 
      
      reaching for the ground
      walt evans
      NX140DL
      
      
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| Subject:  | looking through old pics | 
      
      
      Walt=3B I wanna go fly!!!  What a clean airplane you have.
      
      
      What's that little box thingie that you have zip-tied to the port side caba
      ne brace strut?
      
      Oscar Zuniga
      Air Camper NX41CC
      San Antonio=2C TX
      mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
      website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      
      
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| Subject:  | =?UTF-8?Q?Check out Tailspin's Tales: =A2 Bird ?=  =?UTF-8?Q?In | 
      The Cornfield?
      
      _Tailspin's Tales: =A2 Bird In The Cornfield_ 
      (http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2009/03/bird-in-cornfield.html) 
      
      Not quite a 7AC or a Piet, but still landed pilotless in a cornfield!
      
      **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 o
      r 
      less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
      
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| Subject:  | Re: looking through old pics | 
      
      I have an old Panasonic camcorder that I put in there to archive all the 
      flights.
      Then put them on Youtube.
      Keyword Pietenpol
      What a concept,,,,hahahahahaha
      PS with my friend don
      and with my other friend don
      walt evans
      NX140DL
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Oscar Zuniga 
        To: Pietenpol List 
        Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:49 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking through old pics
      
      
        Walt; I wanna go fly!!!  What a clean airplane you have.
         
        What's that little box thingie that you have zip-tied to the port side 
      cabane brace strut?
      
        Oscar Zuniga
        Air Camper NX41CC
        San Antonio, TX
        mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
        website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: looking thru old pics | 
      
      Great pic-Jim Lagowski
      
      do not archive
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: walt 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:02 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking thru old pics
      
      
        reaching for the ground
        walt evans
        NX140DL
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: gas tank float | 
      
      
      Friend of mine gave me a gift of a fuel tank float for two of my projects.
      First a FFP 404 and secondly for my Piet which I fly now.
      I emailed him tonight.
      Here is his response.
      
      Walt,
      
      Yes. 1/16" SS rod.
      
      The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld"
      
      It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you have to 
      drill in the ping pong ball.
      
      JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also Advance 
      Auto.
      
      I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy.  But if you 
      keep the SS rod thin and not to long it will float on one ball.
      
      
      Cook
      
      It works beautifully.
      walt evans
      NX140DL
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano@att.net>
      Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:36 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
      
      
      >
      > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a 
      > lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe 
      > I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel 
      > tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit 
      > into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod 
      > ?Raymond
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238067#238067
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: gas tank float | 
      
      My float is like Corky's. My rod is Stainless steel welding rod. The 
      tank holds 12.6 gallons. The tank is just behind the firewall. I put 4 
      gallons of gas in the tank, put in the float and cap and then bent the 
      rod at the top. The rod goes thru a small tube brazed in the cap. The 
      bend hits the cap when there is still 4 gallons left, ~ 1 hour of flying 
      if throttled back. My engine is the 65 Continental. My gas gage is a 
      calibrated paint stirring stick--Jim Lagowski
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Oscar Zuniga 
        To: Pietenpol List 
        Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:27 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
      
      
        Raymond;
      
        On 41CC, Corky epoxied two large corks butt-to-butt on the end of the 
      brass rod that makes up the fuel level indicator right out in front of 
      the pilot and passenger.  These corks are larger than you used to see on 
      a regular Thermos bottle, about the size of what you'd use on a 5-gallon 
      bottle of water that Oasis or Ozarka used to deliver to your house for 
      drinking water.  The two corks are epoxied onto the end of the rod and 
      then liberally painted with epoxy, and I mean liberally.  The pair of 
      corks float well in avgas.  You could substitute a brass ball like what 
      is used in a toilet ballcock but that would be overkill and you couldn't 
      fit it in through a standard filler neck.  Some folks have used 
      ping-pong balls but those seem too fragile to me.  Corks liberally 
      coated with epoxy are pretty rugged and easy to come by.
      
        Corky "calibrated" the brass rod of the float indicator by filing 
      notches in the rod at every gallon from "full" down to "unusable fuel 
      only remaining".  When I had the fuel tank out while rebuilding the 
      airplane after the nose-over, I very carefully checked the calibration 
      by adding one gallon of water to the fuel tank at a time and Corky's 
      calibration was about as precise as this engineer could ever arrive at 
      by computation, evaluation, micromanagement, extrapolation, or 
      persuasion.  In other words, it's as accurate as can be read while in 
      flight in an open-cockpit airplane and plenty close enough.  I painted 
      the rod red from the final four gallons to the stop, and actually none 
      of that last four gallons should be considered usable for safe flight.  
      I painted the rod yellow from 8 gallons to 4 gallons, as a caution that 
      the airplane is in its final hour of safe, comfortable VFR flight.  The 
      first 8 gallons below the yellow are completely usable as two good hours 
      of flight in which the pilot's rear end, sanity, hearing, and good 
      judgement are unimpaired and the airplane is willing and ready to go 
      wherever it's pointed.
      
        Your mileage may vary, but I'll bet it's not by much.
      
        Oscar Zuniga
        Air Camper NX41CC
        San Antonio, TX
        mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
        website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: gas tank float | 
      
      
      The Floats in my 1948 V tail Bonanza are varnished Cork. They have worked well
      for 8 years. In a mix of Car gas and Av Gas.
      
      Blue Skies,
      Steve D.
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
      
      
      > My float is like Corky's. My rod is Stainless steel welding rod. 
      > The tank holds 12.6 gallons. The tank is just behind the firewall. 
      > I put 4 gallons of gas in the tank, put in the float and cap and 
      > then bent the rod at the top. The rod goes thru a small tube 
      > brazed in the cap. The bend hits the cap when there is still 4 
      > gallons left, ~ 1 hour of flying if throttled back. My engine is 
      > the 65 Continental. My gas gage is a calibrated paint stirring 
      > stick--Jim Lagowski
      >  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >  From: Oscar Zuniga 
      >  To: Pietenpol List 
      >  Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:27 PM
      >  Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
      > 
      > 
      >  Raymond;
      > 
      >  On 41CC, Corky epoxied two large corks butt-to-butt on the end 
      > of the brass rod that makes up the fuel level indicator right out 
      > in front of the pilot and passenger.  These corks are larger than 
      > you used to see on a regular Thermos bottle, about the size of 
      > what you'd use on a 5-gallon bottle of water that Oasis or Ozarka 
      > used to deliver to your house for drinking water.  The two corks 
      > are epoxied onto the end of the rod and then liberally painted 
      > with epoxy, and I mean liberally.  The pair of corks float well in 
      > avgas.  You could substitute a brass ball like what is used in a 
      > toilet ballcock but that would be overkill and you couldn't fit it 
      > in through a standard filler neck.  Some folks have used ping-pong 
      > balls but those seem too fragile to me.  Corks liberally coated 
      > with epoxy are pretty rugged and easy to come by.
      > 
      >  Corky "calibrated" the brass rod of the float indicator by 
      > filing notches in the rod at every gallon from "full" down to 
      > "unusable fuel only remaining".  When I had the fuel tank out 
      > while rebuilding the airplane after the nose-over, I very 
      > carefully checked the calibration by adding one gallon of water to 
      > the fuel tank at a time and Corky's calibration was about as 
      > precise as this engineer could ever arrive at by computation, 
      > evaluation, micromanagement, extrapolation, or persuasion.  In 
      > other words, it's as accurate as can be read while in flight in an 
      > open-cockpit airplane and plenty close enough.  I painted the rod 
      > red from the final four gallons to the stop, and actually none of 
      > that last four gallons should be considered usable for safe 
      > flight.  I painted the rod yellow from 8 gallons to 4 gallons, as 
      > a caution that the airplane is in its final hour of safe, 
      > comfortable VFR flight.  The first 8 gallons below the yellow are 
      > completely usable as two good hours of flight in which the pilot's 
      > rear end, sanity, hearing, and good judgement are unimpaired and 
      > the airplane is willing and ready to go wherever it's pointed.
      > 
      >  Your mileage may vary, but I'll bet it's not by much.
      > 
      >  Oscar Zuniga
      >  Air Camper NX41CC
      >  San Antonio, TX
      >  mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
      >  website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > -------------------------------------------------------------------
      > -----------
      > 
      > 
      > 
      >  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
      > 04/06/09 18:59:00
      
      
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      Mark
      There is camping right next to the activity area in the grass parking area. 
      There are showers with sometimes hot water and sometimes a line to get in. 
      There is a breakfast on Sat and dinners on Fri and Sat night.  Brodhead is a 
      small town, but has a few good restaurants and a grocery store.  There s a 
      McDonalds and Subway in walking distance.  There is also a hardware store in 
      town.
      You can bring a BBQ  There is fresh water on site and both portapottys and 
      indoor.  There is no electricity in the camping area but there is a pavilion 
      with picnic tables.
      Dick N.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
      
      
      >
      > My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this 
      > summer.  It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how 
      > the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what 
      > is sure to be some good ol camaraderie.  It is on the calendar and I've 
      > already requested the time off.
      >
      > That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly?  I mean, we are 
      > pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect.  We are 
      > planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal 
      > camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, 
      > but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity, 
      > showers, restrooms, etc.  We are normally pretty flexible, but would 
      > prefer to pack/plan accordingly.
      >
      > I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... 
      > as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been 
      > related to the actual event.  I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA 
      > sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps 
      > I overlooked the information.
      >
      > Any suggestions for us newbies?
      >
      > --------
      > Mark
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      Thanks fellas, that tells me enough to know that the necessities are covered. 
      We'll stay tuned to the boards to learn more.
      
      --------
      Mark
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238257#238257
      
      
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      Having been twice now the first time I had no idea of what to expect, and again
      the following year I knew what to expect it was a mix of many things I loved,
      people I met and there were many things missing. 
      
      It was Perfect and I can't wait to see you all and do it all over again in just
      3 months. 
      
      It just keeps getting better each time I go! Last year I brought a buddy non pilot
      but great wood worker and Piet project contributor. Back in December I re
      invited him, it didn't take long for him to decide. We'll see ya'll in July!
      
      
      John
      ------Original Message------
      From: Dick N.
      Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      Sent: Apr 7, 2009 10:18 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
      
      
      Mark
      There is camping right next to the activity area in the grass parking area. 
      There are showers with sometimes hot water and sometimes a line to get in. 
      There is a breakfast on Sat and dinners on Fri and Sat night.  Brodhead is a 
      small town, but has a few good restaurants and a grocery store.  There s a 
      McDonalds and Subway in walking distance.  There is also a hardware store in 
      town.
      You can bring a BBQ  There is fresh water on site and both portapottys and 
      indoor.  There is no electricity in the camping area but there is a pavilion 
      with picnic tables.
      Dick N.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:04 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
      
      
      >
      > My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this 
      > summer.  It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how 
      > the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what 
      > is sure to be some good ol camaraderie.  It is on the calendar and I've 
      > already requested the time off.
      >
      > That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly?  I mean, we are 
      > pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect.  We are 
      > planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal 
      > camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, 
      > but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity, 
      > showers, restrooms, etc.  We are normally pretty flexible, but would 
      > prefer to pack/plan accordingly.
      >
      > I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... 
      > as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been 
      > related to the actual event.  I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA 
      > sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps 
      > I overlooked the information.
      >
      > Any suggestions for us newbies?
      >
      > --------
      > Mark
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      hello there diacording from pietenpol book sale by don pietenpol granson, p
      g, 48. you ned for wing8-325 sf turnbuckles and pin.-24 bolt and nut of cor
      rect size. strut material-=10 325 sf turnbuckles.-10 clevis and pin -16 b
      olt and nuts,for wood landingear ned 4 326 sf turnbuckles. also I have alis
      t what i used for my fuselaje and wing if you like to now seyou nex
      
      --- On Tue, 4/7/09, AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
      
      From: AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
      Does anyone have a list of all the turnbuckles and-AN numbers needed to b
      uild a piet ?
      -
      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: best place to buy turnbuckles | 
      
      tanks for sendmy you inform you helmy alot andsave alot$$$$$ tanks jorge
      
      --- On Tue, 4/7/09, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
      -
      B & B Aircraft Supplies
      202 N Center St 
      Gardner, KS 66030 
      (913) 884-5930
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: jorge lizarraga 
      Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:37 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
      I hope you foun these plase because I neede too. probably if you found a bo
      neyard is de best but here in ca, is not to mouch were looking for
      
      --- On Mon, 4/6/09, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
      
      From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles
      
      
      #yiv1305058386 #yiv917531085 .hmmessage P {
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      Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles the
      se days?- Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks.
      
      Tom B.
      
      
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      Just received my first issue of BPA News today... reading it cover to cover provided
      several more answers.  Looking forward to July already.
      
      --------
      Mark
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238268#238268
      
      
 
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