---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/07/09: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol old slick mag capaacitors (Wizzard187@aol.com) 2. 03:37 AM - From the Newswire at work this morning-Sorta OT (Tim Verthein) 3. 04:07 AM - fuse covering/cable routing (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 04:26 AM - Re: fuse covering/cable routing (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 04:37 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (gcardinal) 6. 04:40 AM - Re: gieniology (H RULE) 7. 04:56 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (Ed G.) 8. 05:33 AM - Pietenpol old Slick mag capacitors (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 06:05 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (pietn38b@aol.com) 10. 06:10 AM - Re: gas tank float (hvandervoo@aol.com) 11. 06:13 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 12. 07:04 AM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles () 13. 09:04 AM - Re: fuse covering/cable routing (shad bell) 14. 09:12 AM - Re: pilotless flights (shad bell) 15. 09:50 AM - Re: pilotless flights (Ed G.) 16. 11:04 AM - Brodhead (K5YAC) 17. 11:48 AM - Re: Brodhead (Richard Schreiber) 18. 02:03 PM - looking thru old pics (walt) 19. 02:50 PM - looking through old pics (Oscar Zuniga) 20. 03:10 PM - =?UTF-8?Q?Check out Tailspin's Tales: =A2 Bird ?= =?UTF-8?Q?In The Cornfield? (DarmahBoy@aol.com) 21. 03:21 PM - Re: looking through old pics (walt) 22. 03:37 PM - Re: looking thru old pics (Lagowski Morrow) 23. 05:10 PM - Re: gas tank float (walt) 24. 06:49 PM - Re: gas tank float (Lagowski Morrow) 25. 07:02 PM - Re: gas tank float (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 26. 07:19 PM - Re: Brodhead (Dick N.) 27. 07:52 PM - Re: Brodhead (K5YAC) 28. 07:58 PM - Re: Brodhead (amsafetyc@aol.com) 29. 08:49 PM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (jorge lizarraga) 30. 09:34 PM - Re: best place to buy turnbuckles (jorge lizarraga) 31. 09:36 PM - Re: Brodhead (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:23 AM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol old slick mag capaacitors Anybody know where I can find two capacitors for Slick 447 mags.? Part number is 14-48A. I am trying to get a 85 cont. to run. Thanks Ken Conrad in cold wet Iowa 563 528 9341 (cell) or 563 285 4073 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:22 AM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: From the Newswire at work this morning-Sorta OT >From the newswire this morning: Plane takes off without pilot An aircraft took off on its own when the pilot could not get into the cockpit in time after starting the propellor manually. Hundreds of visitors to an air show at Goodwood airfield watched in horror as the runaway biplane took off, soared into the air and then crashed into trees, reports the Daily Telegraph. Had it cleared the trees it is believed the plane, which was headed towards nearby Chichester, West Sussex, could have flown for around 150 miles on a full tank of fuel. The small plane had just been refuelled before the incident and its pilots had 'swung' the propellers to restart the engine before getting inside to fly it. But the aircraft - a 1940 model built in the style of a Tiger Moth - began moving before the pilot had a chance to board it. Retired aircraft engineer Malcolm Phillips, 67 of Emsworth, Hants, said: "There were hundreds of people there watching as the plane ran amok, haring round in circles. "We didn't know which way it was going to go and it was worrying that it could head towards the crowd, other planes or the clubhouse." Mr Phillips added: "Normally the idea is that you swing the propellers and have the handbrake on and chocks under the wheels. You also need to make sure the throttle is only set at low revs. "Something clearly went wrong and it jumped over the chocks - I suspect what might have happened is that the throttle became loose." Be careful out there! Tim in Bovey ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:12 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuse covering/cable routing Good morning everyone! Did you guys cover the fuselage under the horizontal stabilizer or leave it open? Seems open would be very nice, almost necessary for access, but would certainly let water inside very easily. Also... Anybody have some good tricks for estimating where to cut the holes in the covering for control cables to exit/enter? Thanks, Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuse covering/cable routing From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Douwe, Before I disassembled for covering, I taped some paper together onto the structure where the cables exited and made "maps" where the exit points were. I have no clue how it could be done after the fact.... maybe a laser (if its not painted yet). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:16 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles B & B Aircraft Supplies 202 N Center St Gardner, KS 66030 (913) 884-5930 ----- Original Message ----- From: jorge lizarraga To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles I hope you foun these plase because I neede too. probably if you found a boneyard is de best but here in ca, is not to mouch were looking for --- On Mon, 4/6/09, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:08 PM Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles these days? Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks. Tom B. " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:15 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:gieniology Sorry Corky,I just couldn't resist.HAHAHA!Your such a colourful Gentleman from the south and I'm a Canadian Yankee ya might say.Lov ya!!!! do not archive ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:53 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Hi Tom I have bought turnbuckles from B&B aircraft. They sell them by the piece but if you give them the AN numbers from the ACS cataloge they will s end you what you need. They are also not shiny new pieces like ACS's they s eem to be new/old stock but perfectly fine hardware. I forget what the last ones I bought for the drag wires in my wings cost but I'm thinking like 8 bucks a piece. They are also great people to work with. Ed G. From: tmbrant@msn.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles the se days? Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks. Tom B. _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Mobile1_042009 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:47 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol old Slick mag capacitors Ken=3B you might try Arnold Kesselring=2C d/b/a "Arn-Air"=2C right there in your state of Iowa. Contact info here: Arn-Air Attn Arnold Kesselring PO Box 148 Bayard=2C IA 50029 USA Phone: 712-651-2255 Fax: 712-651-2258 He made a new ignition harness for one of my mags and I believe he works on older stuff so he should be able to help you. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:45 AM PST US From: pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles I bought all my turnbuckles at B&B aircraft sales in I bought all my turn buckles at B&B aircraft sales in Gardner, KS. Much cheaper than AS or Wicks. They deal in a lot of surplus. Phone no. is 913-884-5930 Jim In a message dated 4/6/2009 11:38:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, flightwood@yahoo.com writes: I hope you foun these plase because I neede too. probably if you found a boneyard is de best but here in ca, is not to mouch were looking for --- On Mon, 4/6/09, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles these days? Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks. Tom B. " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float From: hvandervoo@aol.com Try this http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=240075+01 Works for me Hans -----Original Message----- From: skellytown flyer Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:36 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238067#238067 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:08 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Does anyone have a list of all the turnbuckles and AN numbers needed to build a piet ? John **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:29 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Try B&B Supply, they usually have the best prices. Last number I have for them is (913-884-5930). No website that I know of. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles these days? Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks. Tom B. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:51 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuse covering/cable routing Dowue, make a cardboard template to simulate the covering, and run the cabl es with the tail installed and cut slits in the cardboard where needed.- Simply lay the cardboard over the covering after it is installed and cut yo ur cable exits.- One other trick I learded from the Old Man, was to make an oversized-tear dropped shaped piece of fabric, and a smaller tear shap ed piece of leather (for the cable exits) and sew the leather to the fabric with rib lacing cord etc, then glue the fabric patch(with leather sewed on )-to the fabric on the fuselage.- This will not peel off like so many o f the glued on leather patches, the dacron sticks to dacron much, much bete r than leather does. - Just some tricks to try, Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:20 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilotless flights You guys might remember a simmilar incident that happened here in Ohio abou t 8-10 years ago.- A -7AC champ did something simmilar but no one was a round it when it started (supposidly).- A guy flew to breakfast and the e ngine quit while taxing to the ramp, well I guess the pushed it of the runw ay and forgot to shut the mags off.- Then after-he walked away from the airplane the engine kicked back due to a hot spot in the cylinder etc.- The champ took off and flew- 100 miles or so untill the gas ran out, and landed in a field in eastern ohio.- I remember listening in to CMH approa ch on the base unit, at DLZ where I was the Line boy, and the state highway patrol was folowing it in a helicopter untill the heli got low on fuel.- The HW patrol heli was at 9000 ft when he turned back for fuel.- I guess those 7 AC's fly like a champ, pilot or not. - I know this story sounds far fetched, but look it up if you do not believe me! Airport was Urbana Grimes In Urbana Ohio, between 1997-2002 or so. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:27 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pilotless flights I remember that story and I can believe it. I fly a Champ and the only diff icult thing about learning to fly it was getting it to stay down on the run way when landing. they just want to keep flying. Ed From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilotless flights You guys might remember a simmilar incident that happened here in Ohio abou t 8-10 years ago. A 7AC champ did something simmilar but no one was aroun d it when it started (supposidly). A guy flew to breakfast and the engine quit while taxing to the ramp=2C well I guess the pushed it of the runway a nd forgot to shut the mags off. Then after he walked away from the airplan e the engine kicked back due to a hot spot in the cylinder etc. The champ took off and flew 100 miles or so untill the gas ran out=2C and landed in a field in eastern ohio. I remember listening in to CMH approach on the ba se unit=2C at DLZ where I was the Line boy=2C and the state highway patrol was folowing it in a helicopter untill the heli got low on fuel. The HW pa trol heli was at 9000 ft when he turned back for fuel. I guess those 7 AC' s fly like a champ=2C pilot or not. I know this story sounds far fetched=2C but look it up if you do not believ e me! Airport was Urbana Grimes In Urbana Ohio=2C between 1997-2002 or so. Shad _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Updates1_042009 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: "K5YAC" My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this summer. It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what is sure to be some good ol camaraderie. It is on the calendar and I've already requested the time off. That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly? I mean, we are pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect. We are planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity, showers, restrooms, etc. We are normally pretty flexible, but would prefer to pack/plan accordingly. I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been related to the actual event. I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps I overlooked the information. Any suggestions for us newbies? -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:20 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Mark: Food at Brodhead is catered if you want it. I usually flyin with a tent, sleeping bag, clothes and a camera. There are restaurants in Brodhead if you don't want to eat on the field. There is usually so much going on at the field, I hate to leave, unless I am goinh to dinner with friends. Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: K5YAC > To: > Date: 4/7/2009 1:08:01 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > > > My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this summer. It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what is sure to be some good ol camaraderie. It is on the calendar and I've already requested the time off. > > That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly? I mean, we are pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect. We are planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity, showers, restrooms, etc. We are normally pretty flexible, but would prefer to pack/plan accordingly. > > I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been related to the actual event. I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps I overlooked the information. > > Any suggestions for us newbies? > > -------- > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:44 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking thru old pics reaching for the ground walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:02 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking through old pics Walt=3B I wanna go fly!!! What a clean airplane you have. What's that little box thingie that you have zip-tied to the port side caba ne brace strut? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:31 PM PST US From: DarmahBoy@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: =?UTF-8?Q?Check out Tailspin's Tales: =A2 Bird ?= =?UTF-8?Q?In The Cornfield? _Tailspin's Tales: =A2 Bird In The Cornfield_ (http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2009/03/bird-in-cornfield.html) Not quite a 7AC or a Piet, but still landed pilotless in a cornfield! **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 o r less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:21 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking through old pics I have an old Panasonic camcorder that I put in there to archive all the flights. Then put them on Youtube. Keyword Pietenpol What a concept,,,,hahahahahaha PS with my friend don and with my other friend don walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking through old pics Walt; I wanna go fly!!! What a clean airplane you have. What's that little box thingie that you have zip-tied to the port side cabane brace strut? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:02 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking thru old pics Great pic-Jim Lagowski do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking thru old pics reaching for the ground walt evans NX140DL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/07/09 06:41:00 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:58 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float Friend of mine gave me a gift of a fuel tank float for two of my projects. First a FFP 404 and secondly for my Piet which I fly now. I emailed him tonight. Here is his response. Walt, Yes. 1/16" SS rod. The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld" It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you have to drill in the ping pong ball. JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also Advance Auto. I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy. But if you keep the SS rod thin and not to long it will float on one ball. Cook It works beautifully. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float > > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a > lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe > I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel > tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit > into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod > ?Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238067#238067 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:08 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float My float is like Corky's. My rod is Stainless steel welding rod. The tank holds 12.6 gallons. The tank is just behind the firewall. I put 4 gallons of gas in the tank, put in the float and cap and then bent the rod at the top. The rod goes thru a small tube brazed in the cap. The bend hits the cap when there is still 4 gallons left, ~ 1 hour of flying if throttled back. My engine is the 65 Continental. My gas gage is a calibrated paint stirring stick--Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float Raymond; On 41CC, Corky epoxied two large corks butt-to-butt on the end of the brass rod that makes up the fuel level indicator right out in front of the pilot and passenger. These corks are larger than you used to see on a regular Thermos bottle, about the size of what you'd use on a 5-gallon bottle of water that Oasis or Ozarka used to deliver to your house for drinking water. The two corks are epoxied onto the end of the rod and then liberally painted with epoxy, and I mean liberally. The pair of corks float well in avgas. You could substitute a brass ball like what is used in a toilet ballcock but that would be overkill and you couldn't fit it in through a standard filler neck. Some folks have used ping-pong balls but those seem too fragile to me. Corks liberally coated with epoxy are pretty rugged and easy to come by. Corky "calibrated" the brass rod of the float indicator by filing notches in the rod at every gallon from "full" down to "unusable fuel only remaining". When I had the fuel tank out while rebuilding the airplane after the nose-over, I very carefully checked the calibration by adding one gallon of water to the fuel tank at a time and Corky's calibration was about as precise as this engineer could ever arrive at by computation, evaluation, micromanagement, extrapolation, or persuasion. In other words, it's as accurate as can be read while in flight in an open-cockpit airplane and plenty close enough. I painted the rod red from the final four gallons to the stop, and actually none of that last four gallons should be considered usable for safe flight. I painted the rod yellow from 8 gallons to 4 gallons, as a caution that the airplane is in its final hour of safe, comfortable VFR flight. The first 8 gallons below the yellow are completely usable as two good hours of flight in which the pilot's rear end, sanity, hearing, and good judgement are unimpaired and the airplane is willing and ready to go wherever it's pointed. Your mileage may vary, but I'll bet it's not by much. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/06/09 18:59:00 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float The Floats in my 1948 V tail Bonanza are varnished Cork. They have worked well for 8 years. In a mix of Car gas and Av Gas. Blue Skies, Steve D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lagowski Morrow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float > My float is like Corky's. My rod is Stainless steel welding rod. > The tank holds 12.6 gallons. The tank is just behind the firewall. > I put 4 gallons of gas in the tank, put in the float and cap and > then bent the rod at the top. The rod goes thru a small tube > brazed in the cap. The bend hits the cap when there is still 4 > gallons left, ~ 1 hour of flying if throttled back. My engine is > the 65 Continental. My gas gage is a calibrated paint stirring > stick--Jim Lagowski > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: Pietenpol List > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:27 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float > > > Raymond; > > On 41CC, Corky epoxied two large corks butt-to-butt on the end > of the brass rod that makes up the fuel level indicator right out > in front of the pilot and passenger. These corks are larger than > you used to see on a regular Thermos bottle, about the size of > what you'd use on a 5-gallon bottle of water that Oasis or Ozarka > used to deliver to your house for drinking water. The two corks > are epoxied onto the end of the rod and then liberally painted > with epoxy, and I mean liberally. The pair of corks float well in > avgas. You could substitute a brass ball like what is used in a > toilet ballcock but that would be overkill and you couldn't fit it > in through a standard filler neck. Some folks have used ping-pong > balls but those seem too fragile to me. Corks liberally coated > with epoxy are pretty rugged and easy to come by. > > Corky "calibrated" the brass rod of the float indicator by > filing notches in the rod at every gallon from "full" down to > "unusable fuel only remaining". When I had the fuel tank out > while rebuilding the airplane after the nose-over, I very > carefully checked the calibration by adding one gallon of water to > the fuel tank at a time and Corky's calibration was about as > precise as this engineer could ever arrive at by computation, > evaluation, micromanagement, extrapolation, or persuasion. In > other words, it's as accurate as can be read while in flight in an > open-cockpit airplane and plenty close enough. I painted the rod > red from the final four gallons to the stop, and actually none of > that last four gallons should be considered usable for safe > flight. I painted the rod yellow from 8 gallons to 4 gallons, as > a caution that the airplane is in its final hour of safe, > comfortable VFR flight. The first 8 gallons below the yellow are > completely usable as two good hours of flight in which the pilot's > rear end, sanity, hearing, and good judgement are unimpaired and > the airplane is willing and ready to go wherever it's pointed. > > Your mileage may vary, but I'll bet it's not by much. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 04/06/09 18:59:00 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:22 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Mark There is camping right next to the activity area in the grass parking area. There are showers with sometimes hot water and sometimes a line to get in. There is a breakfast on Sat and dinners on Fri and Sat night. Brodhead is a small town, but has a few good restaurants and a grocery store. There s a McDonalds and Subway in walking distance. There is also a hardware store in town. You can bring a BBQ There is fresh water on site and both portapottys and indoor. There is no electricity in the camping area but there is a pavilion with picnic tables. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > > My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this > summer. It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how > the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what > is sure to be some good ol camaraderie. It is on the calendar and I've > already requested the time off. > > That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly? I mean, we are > pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect. We are > planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal > camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, > but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity, > showers, restrooms, etc. We are normally pretty flexible, but would > prefer to pack/plan accordingly. > > I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... > as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been > related to the actual event. I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA > sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps > I overlooked the information. > > Any suggestions for us newbies? > > -------- > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead From: "K5YAC" Thanks fellas, that tells me enough to know that the necessities are covered. We'll stay tuned to the boards to learn more. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238257#238257 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: amsafetyc@aol.com Having been twice now the first time I had no idea of what to expect, and again the following year I knew what to expect it was a mix of many things I loved, people I met and there were many things missing. It was Perfect and I can't wait to see you all and do it all over again in just 3 months. It just keeps getting better each time I go! Last year I brought a buddy non pilot but great wood worker and Piet project contributor. Back in December I re invited him, it didn't take long for him to decide. We'll see ya'll in July! John ------Original Message------ From: Dick N. Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Apr 7, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Mark There is camping right next to the activity area in the grass parking area. There are showers with sometimes hot water and sometimes a line to get in. There is a breakfast on Sat and dinners on Fri and Sat night. Brodhead is a small town, but has a few good restaurants and a grocery store. There s a McDonalds and Subway in walking distance. There is also a hardware store in town. You can bring a BBQ There is fresh water on site and both portapottys and indoor. There is no electricity in the camping area but there is a pavilion with picnic tables. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > > My family and I have decided to make a family trip to Brodhead this > summer. It has been recommended by many that I attend, and I can see how > the exposure would be an enormous help to my project, not to mention what > is sure to be some good ol camaraderie. It is on the calendar and I've > already requested the time off. > > That being said, can someone help us to plan accordingly? I mean, we are > pretty good planners, but we just don't know what to expect. We are > planning to drive up and tent camp and we plan to bring most of our normal > camping gear, to include food and the necessary equipment to prepare it, > but we are unsure of other accommodations, such as water, electricity, > showers, restrooms, etc. We are normally pretty flexible, but would > prefer to pack/plan accordingly. > > I've tried doing a search for "Brodhead", "Fly-In" and other key words... > as you can imagine, I received tons of posts that may or may not have been > related to the actual event. I've also looked at the Chapter 431 and BPA > sites, but I've been unable to gain much in the way of details... perhaps > I overlooked the information. > > Any suggestions for us newbies? > > -------- > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238174#238174 > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:53 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles hello there diacording from pietenpol book sale by don pietenpol granson, p g, 48. you ned for wing8-325 sf turnbuckles and pin.-24 bolt and nut of cor rect size. strut material-=10 325 sf turnbuckles.-10 clevis and pin -16 b olt and nuts,for wood landingear ned 4 326 sf turnbuckles. also I have alis t what i used for my fuselaje and wing if you like to now seyou nex --- On Tue, 4/7/09, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles Does anyone have a list of all the turnbuckles and-AN numbers needed to b uild a piet ? - John A Good Credit Score is 700 o17385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditrepo rt.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterN O62"> See yours in just 2 easy steps! =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:05 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles tanks for sendmy you inform you helmy alot andsave alot$$$$$ tanks jorge --- On Tue, 4/7/09, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles - B & B Aircraft Supplies 202 N Center St Gardner, KS 66030 (913) 884-5930 ----- Original Message ----- From: jorge lizarraga Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles I hope you foun these plase because I neede too. probably if you found a bo neyard is de best but here in ca, is not to mouch were looking for --- On Mon, 4/6/09, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: best place to buy turnbuckles #yiv1305058386 #yiv917531085 .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TO P:0px;} #yiv1305058386 #yiv917531085 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;} Any thoughts on the best (as in cheapest) place to purchase turnbuckles the se days?- Aircraft Spruce is around $28/unit as is Wicks. Tom B. " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead From: "K5YAC" Just received my first issue of BPA News today... reading it cover to cover provided several more answers. 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