---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/09/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:50 AM - Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 2. 11:10 AM - Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update (John Hofmann) 3. 11:17 AM - Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update (John Hofmann) 4. 11:33 AM - Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Ann... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 5. 01:32 PM - Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 01:51 PM - Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th (H RULE) 7. 02:51 PM - extra fuel capacity (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 03:21 PM - Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Annive (Don Emch) 9. 03:29 PM - Re: extra fuel capacity (Kip and Beth Gardner) 10. 03:30 PM - Re: extra fuel capacity (H RULE) 11. 06:05 PM - Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update (gcardinal) 12. 07:16 PM - Re: gas tank float (Gene Rambo) 13. 07:42 PM - Re: gas tank float (H RULE) 14. 07:52 PM - Re: gas tank float (Tim Willis) 15. 10:19 PM - Re: gas tank float (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:17 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update www.runwayfinder.com is a good site with activ e sectionals that can be used for flight planning. GREAT web site Greg ! Did any of you guys try this ?? You can zoom in , drag around the entire United States just like you would a Google Map. I will checkout Wapun as a possible stop from Brodhead to Oshkosh. Is anyone thinking of simply flying nonstop from Brodhead to OSH via the FI SK approach ? That is my thought as winds are notoriously calmer in the m orning hours but...it is what it is when you get there. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:07 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update Mikee, I have used skyvector.com in the past for mapping. It works well, especially with Firefox, to plan routes and get weather. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > www.runwayfinder.com is a good site with active sectionals that can > be used for flight planning. > > GREAT web site Greg ! Did any of you guys try this ?? You can > zoom in, drag around the entire United States just like you would a > Google Map. I will checkout Wapun as a possible stop from Brodhead > to Oshkosh. > > Is anyone thinking of simply flying nonstop from Brodhead to OSH via > the FISK approach ? That is my thought as winds are notoriously > calmer in the morning hours but=85it is what it is when you get there. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:30 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update Mikee, Whatever web tools you use to help facilitate flight planning, remember, "Nebraska is mine. I've been working it for two years." Do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > www.runwayfinder.com is a good site with active sectionals that can > be used for flight planning. > > GREAT web site Greg ! Did any of you guys try this ?? You can > zoom in, drag around the entire United States just like you would a > Google Map. I will checkout Wapun as a possible stop from Brodhead > to Oshkosh. > > Is anyone thinking of simply flying nonstop from Brodhead to OSH via > the FISK approach ? That is my thought as winds are notoriously > calmer in the morning hours but=85it is what it is when you get there. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:50 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Ann... now you have a partner son **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks =93 Now starting at $299 (A edir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:26 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Mikee wrote- >Is anyone thinking of simply flying nonstop from Brodhead to OSH via the FISK approach ? No=2C but I thought about flying nonstop from San Geronimo (8T8) to Brodhea d (C37) via direct. It's only 1=2C044 statute and I figure I can make it w ith 75 gallons and that includes a 25% reserve. Since I already have a 16 gal. tank=2C I only need to find room for 59 milk jugs filled with avgas=2C for another 354 lbs. Hmmm... I'd better plug that into the W&B spreadsheet. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:17 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th WOW! Are all those milk jugs interconnected with each having their own valv e shut off going to the main tank and if so how do you turn each one on as you go or do you have the valves all back in the rear cockpit to control fr om there?Is there a fuel pump there to pump the gas to the main?Do you have a spare jug in reserve for wee,wees along the way?How do you control the j ugs from colapsing as the fuel is taken out or does that matter?Do you hang them from the center section wing or are they down on the floor?I gotta kn ow how you do this!!!!!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr om: Oscar Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:28:55 PM=0ASubject: Pie tenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th=0A=0AMikee wrote-=0A-=0A>Is anyone thinking of simply flying nonstop from Brodhead to OSH via the=0AFISK approach ?=0A-=0ANo, but I thought about flying non stop from San Geronimo (8T8) to Brodhead (C37) via direct.- It's only 1,0 44 statute and I figure I can make it with 75 gallons and that includes a 2 5% reserve.- Since I already have a 16 gal. tank, I only need to find roo m for 59 milk jugs filled with avgas, for another 354 lbs.=0A-=0AHmmm... I'd better plug that into the W&B spreadsheet.-=0A-=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAi r Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite ========= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:27 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra fuel capacity Harvey=3B Forget the milk jugs. Since I sent that last post=2C I got an even better idea for my non-stop=2C unrefueled flight to Brodhead. What I'm proposing is to tow an unmanned glider that will be fitted as a flying fuel tank=2C b asically. It will ride above my wake=2C which will let me keep an eye on i t and will also mean gravity feed of the fuel down to my airplane via a 1/2 " plastic fuel line running down the tow cable. I'll have a manual valve i n the cockpit that will let me periodically refill 41CC's fuel tank by simp ly watching the cork float rise as I open the valve. In case of an emergen cy=2C I'll be able to jettison using a standard tow-hook release and a quic k-connect on the fuel hose. Oh=2C and the other benefit is that I can also scrounge a windshield washer pump from the auto junkyard to be used as a "nitrogenous waste collection system" for my biological overflow. I'll mount a yellow pushbutton on the control stick and by holding the button for about 30 seconds=2C I'll bet I can pump a windshield washer tank full of urine up to my flying fuel/waste holding tank with no problems. I'll only need a couple of cycles of the pu mp for the 16 hour flight. Now let's see... I'll stock up on beef jerky=2C Moon Pies=2C Baby Ruth bars =2C and some water and I'm ready to go. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Annive From: "Don Emch" Hey Mike, I'd be interested in leaving at sunrise Sunday morning and flying direct to OSH. Gotta love that smooth morning air. It'd be fun to fly all that way with a few others. It makes the flight seem shorter and more fun when I have to spend time focusing on the guy I'm flying formation with. Looking forward to it! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238558#238558 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:55 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra fuel capacity Oscar, You are going to give Corky IDEAS. Next thing you know we'll be getting a call from his wife saying he took off for Belize. Kip On Apr 9, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Harvey; > > Forget the milk jugs. Since I sent that last post, I got an even > better idea for my non-stop, unrefueled flight to Brodhead. What > I'm proposing is to tow an unmanned glider that will be fitted as a > flying fuel tank, basically. It will ride above my wake, which > will let me keep an eye on it and will also mean gravity feed of > the fuel down to my airplane via a 1/2" plastic fuel line running > down the tow cable. I'll have a manual valve in the cockpit that > will let me periodically refill 41CC's fuel tank by simply watching > the cork float rise as I open the valve. In case of an emergency, > I'll be able to jettison using a standard tow-hook release and a > quick-connect on the fuel hose. > > Oh, and the other benefit is that I can also scrounge a windshield > washer pump from the auto junkyard to be used as a "nitrogenous > waste collection system" for my biological overflow. I'll mount a > yellow pushbutton on the control stick and by holding the button > for about 30 seconds, I'll bet I can pump a windshield washer tank > full of urine up to my flying fuel/waste holding tank with no > problems. I'll only need a couple of cycles of the pump for the 16 > hour flight. > > Now let's see... I'll stock up on beef jerky, Moon Pies, Baby Ruth > bars, and some water and I'm ready to go. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:27 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra fuel capacity Awsome;love the idea but how are you going to fly two planes at the same ti me and how will the glider remain above you.Usually they fall behind and so metimes below.Love the urine solving problem,sounds like it might work but it seems a bit extreme when just a jar will do and when full just dump it o ver board and can be used over and over again.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Thursd ay, April 9, 2009 5:48:32 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: extra fuel capacity =0A=0AHarvey;=0A-=0AForget the milk jugs.- Since I sent that last post, I got an even better idea for my non-stop, unrefueled flight to Brodhead. - What I'm proposing is to tow an unmanned glider that will be fitted as a flying fuel tank, basically.- It will ride above my wake, which will le t me keep an eye on it and will also mean gravity feed of the fuel down to my airplane via a 1/2" plastic fuel line running down the tow cable.- I'l l have a manual valve in the cockpit-that will let me periodically refill 41CC's fuel tank by simply watching the cork float rise as I open the valv e.- In case of an emergency, I'll be able to jettison using a standard to w-hook release and a quick-connect on the fuel hose.=0A-=0AOh, and the ot her benefit is that I can also scrounge a windshield washer pump from the a uto junkyard to be used as a "nitrogenous waste collection system" for my b iological overflow.- I'll mount a yellow pushbutton on the control stick and by holding-the button-for about 30 seconds, I'll bet I can pump a w indshield washer tank full of urine up to my flying fuel/waste holding tank with no problems.- I'll only need a couple of cycles of the pump for the 16 hour flight.=0A-=0ANow let's see... I'll stock up on beef jerky, Moon Pies, Baby Ruth bars, and some water and I'm ready to go.=0A=0AOscar Zunig a=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Aw ebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net=0A-=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A -======================== ================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:24 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update What I like about Runwayfinder.com is the ability to enter airport identifiers and it will draw a course line complete with distances. Very nice for flight planning. Brodhead - direct - Oshkosh is good if you have a radio. Those of us doing the nordo thing will have to make a stop. Waupun is very convenient for both the Fisk arrival and the ultralight arrival. Hopefully we can all get into OSH before any significant wind kicks up. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Runway Finder-- GREAT web site Greg Cardinal ! 80th Anniversary OSH Fly-in update www.runwayfinder.com is a good site with active sectionals that can be used for flight planning. GREAT web site Greg ! Did any of you guys try this ?? You can zoom in, drag around the entire United States just like you would a Google Map. I will checkout Wapun as a possible stop from Brodhead to Oshkosh. Is anyone thinking of simply flying nonstop from Brodhead to OSH via the FISK approach ? That is my thought as winds are notoriously calmer in the morning hours but.it is what it is when you get there. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:45 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float I've seen a million good responses on here but wanted to throw in one that has been missed . . . in the old days, the corks were originally coated with many coats of good old-fashioned shellac, which seems to be impervious to all fuels and additives. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float Did you coat that cork with varnish or anything Ed? rick On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Ed G. > wrote: I'm useing a big cork that I bought at the local Ace hardware. That's what the Aeronca that I fly has for a float and it works fine. Ed G > Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float > From: rhano@att.net > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:36:15 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238067#238067 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:22 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float That's what I used;went to a wine making store for the cork and used a coat hanger.Works fine.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gene Rambo =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T hursday, April 9, 2009 10:13:59 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float=0A=0A=0AI've seen a million good responses on here but wanted to thro w in one that has been missed . . . in the old days, the corks were origina lly coated with many coats of good old-fashioned shellac, which seems to be impervious to all fuels and additives.=0A=0AGene=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Rick Holland =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Mo nday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float =0ADid you coat that cork with varnish or anything Ed?=0A=0Arick=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Ed G. wrote:=0A=0AI' m useing a big cork that I bought at the local Ace hardware.-That's what the Aeronca that I fly has for a float and it works fine.-- Ed G=0A- =0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float=0A> From: rhano@att.net=0A> Da te: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:36:15 -0700=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A tt.net>=0A> =0A> What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess ther e are still a lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage send ers and maybe I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and sha pe to fit into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238067#238067=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AQuick acce ss to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now!=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://www.matr onics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARick Holland=0ACastle Rock, Colo rado=0A=0A=0A=0Atitle=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">htt p://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">h === ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:42 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float I can tell you not to overly coat your cork with silicon caulk or the like, for a cork so coated can float in water, but not in gasoline (lower specific gravity). This is based on empirical data. Now for Plan B.......... Does anyone know if ethanol or gasoline will eat up the coating on a cork, if the coating is either West Marine epoxy or West Marine epoxy varnish? Your answer is based on... Chemistry? Mfr. specs.? Tests? Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: H RULE >Sent: Apr 9, 2009 9:41 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float > >That's what I used;went to a wine making store for the cork and used a coat hanger.Works fine. > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:22 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float NOT alcohol! That is the solvent for shellac. http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htm Clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float the corks were originally coated with many coats of good old-fashioned shellac, which seems to be impervious to all fuels and additives. 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