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1. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Another Flying Circus picture (amsafetyc@aol.com)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: Split axle gear axle attach method (Rick Holland)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: gas tank float (Rick Holland)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: gas tank float (walt)
5. 10:20 AM - Re: straight axel gear (amsafetyc@aol.com)
6. 02:25 PM - gas tank float idea (Don Emch)
7. 03:11 PM - Straight axel again (amsafetyc@aol.com)
8. 04:26 PM - Re: Straight axel again (Lagowski Morrow)
9. 06:26 PM - Re: Straight axel again (amsafetyc@aol.com)
10. 06:42 PM - Re: gas tank float idea (skellytown flyer)
11. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: gas tank float idea (Jeff Boatright)
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Subject: | Re: Another Flying Circus picture |
Unless you're landing Williamsport talking to the tower and looking for the airport.
Those are the tower instructions
John
------Original Message------
From: walt
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Apr 11, 2009 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Flying Circus picture
No such saying out there like "just follow the ridge"
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Flying Circus picture
>
> Illinois had to be a barnstormers paradise. All those long beautiful
> fields...
>
> Don, again
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238676#238676
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>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/illinois_barnstorming_212.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Split axle gear axle attach method |
Hello Ryan
Attached some pictures of how I did mine. I used Matco axles/brakes/wheels.
Matco recommended 1/4" thick steel for the mount plates. Looking at the
pictures you attached its hard to tell if bolt on axles were used or just a
single piece of tubing with a collar welded on for brake attachment. Since I
have not yet flown I cannot say my design is a proven one.
Rick
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning all,
>
> I have a question about the method others have used to attach a "Cessna
> style" axle to the axle end of their split-axle gear. We are in the process
> of getting our vees welded up, so I want to make sure what we are looking at
> doing sounds correct.H
>
> We are using 6.00x6 wheels and tires. I found a used set from a wind
> damaged 150 on Barnstormers for a decent price, and they should be winding
> their way through the USPS as I speak. They come with axles; if the axles
> are serviceable I will use them, if not I will probably pick up a set of
> Grove axles:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/grove60x6.php
>
> It would appear to me that one of the methods used to provide an attach
> point for these axles is to weld a circular plate to the gear end, and then
> bolt the axle to that plate. For reference here's a link to a shot of Bill
> Rewey's gear from WestCoastPiet:
>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/IMG_0393.JPG
>
> A pic of Tim Mickel's gear appears to show a similar setup, although it's
> not quite as clear:
>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Tim%20Mickel/DSCF0157.JPG
>
> Does that sound like a good method for providing an attach point for the
> axles? If so, does anyone have a recommendation for the steel thickness we
> should fab the mounting plate out of?
>
> Thanks, and have a Happy Easter!
>
> Ryan
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: gas tank float |
Walt
I have a steel fuel cap from ACS. You can solder brass tubing to steel using
lead/tin solder?
Rick
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> Friend of mine made me 2 float assy over the years , at different times,
> for my two projects.
> They've worked flawlessly. And very simple.
> Below is his discription.
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<
> Walt,
>
> Yes. 1/16" SS rod.
>
> The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld"
>
> It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you have to
> drill in the ping pong ball.
>
> JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also Advance
> Auto.
>
> I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy. But if
> you keep the SS rod thin and not too long it will float on one ball.
>
>
> Cook.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> use 1/16" rod from the welding store as the rod.
> then I found an old ball point pen that had the brass ink tube, cut and
> cleaned that and soldered it into a hole drilled in the fuel cap.
> Works absolutely flawlessly!! ( or buy the tube at the hobby store)
> You can either drop it to the bottom,cut the rod 1/2" from the top of
> tube, and bend it over,,,,,,,,Or set it higher to make a built in reserve
>
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> *
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> *
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: gas tank float |
Yes, steel solders beautifully. Just remember that if using a propane
torch, the cap takes alot longer to come up to temp,,,so you don't
discolor the brass tube and make it unsolderable.
Goes without saying to pop out the rubber gasket from the gas cap first.
Just clean everthing up shiney, coat all with solder paste.
PS, I used the same cap as you.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
Walt
I have a steel fuel cap from ACS. You can solder brass tubing to steel
using lead/tin solder?
Rick
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Friend of mine made me 2 float assy over the years , at different
times, for my two projects.
They've worked flawlessly. And very simple.
Below is his discription.
<<<<<<<<<<<
Walt,
Yes. 1/16" SS rod.
The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld"
It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you
have to drill in the ping pong ball.
JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also
Advance Auto.
I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy.
But if you keep the SS rod thin and not too long it will float on one
ball.
Cook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
use 1/16" rod from the welding store as the rod.
then I found an old ball point pen that had the brass ink tube, cut
and cleaned that and soldered it into a hole drilled in the fuel cap.
Works absolutely flawlessly!! ( or buy the tube at the hobby store)
You can either drop it to the bottom,cut the rod 1/2" from the top
of tube, and bend it over,,,,,,,,Or set it higher to make a built in
reserve
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: straight axel gear |
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Subject: | gas tank float idea |
A guy could probably get creative and make this thing work. Just have to come
up with a way to attach a Stainless Steel welding rod through the bore of it.
I suppose you could solder a thin piece top and bottom and run the rod through
it and solder.
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=7215711&PMT4NO=61847625
I used a big fat magic marker body for mine. I pulled all of the ink soaked felt
out of it, turned up a small fitting on the lathe for the end of it, drilled
and tapped it for my 3/32" threaded welding rod and then welded that onto the
marker body. Just some ideas.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Straight axel again |
I have a gear mock up now built.
Would anyone mind sending me pics of their axel to gear mounting in detail of the
traditional system in addition to any non bungee designs
Thanks
Happy holiday
John
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Subject: | Re: Straight axel again |
John, I used Fly Baby gear which has no bungees and a single axle, wire
braced. Fat, low pressure tires are the Shock absorber. I did so because of
Kyle Bradford in Eaton Rapids Mich. who used the same on his many year old
Piet. When I looked at his plane I liked the simplicity of it and copied it.
He sent me a copy of a Pete Bowers article which shows how to build the
gear. Bowers is/was Mr. Flybaby. I'll send you (or others) a copy of what
Kyle sent me. It is from an article datedMay 1963.--Jim Lagowski in N.W.
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again
>
> I have a gear mock up now built.
>
> Would anyone mind sending me pics of their axel to gear mounting in detail
> of the traditional system in addition to any non bungee designs
>
> Thanks
>
> Happy holiday
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Straight axel again |
That would be great please forward for review
Thanks
John
------Original Message------
From: Lagowski Morrow
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Apr 12, 2009 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again
John, I used Fly Baby gear which has no bungees and a single axle, wire
braced. Fat, low pressure tires are the Shock absorber. I did so because of
Kyle Bradford in Eaton Rapids Mich. who used the same on his many year old
Piet. When I looked at his plane I liked the simplicity of it and copied it.
He sent me a copy of a Pete Bowers article which shows how to build the
gear. Bowers is/was Mr. Flybaby. I'll send you (or others) a copy of what
Kyle sent me. It is from an article datedMay 1963.--Jim Lagowski in N.W.
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again
>
> I have a gear mock up now built.
>
> Would anyone mind sending me pics of their axel to gear mounting in detail
> of the traditional system in addition to any non bungee designs
>
> Thanks
>
> Happy holiday
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Subject: | Re: gas tank float idea |
That looks like it must be a type of float for a pressure vessel like I have seen
in the natural gas industry.I would expect it to be pretty heavy for use as
a float in a gas tank. but for sure at 750# working pressure it shouldn't collapse!
I do appreciate all the ideas on floats. I am thinking I'm going to hold
out for some type of brass float because I am afraid that Cork could start to
crumble and block the flow. but with a good finger strainer in the tank I doubt
that would be a problem. thanks for all the great ideas.Raymond
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Subject: | Re: gas tank float idea |
Don't know if anyone saw this site yet:
http://www.gudim.com/ReplacingCorkFloats.html
Brass floats from Ford. The web page is a description of modifying
them to fit a Studebaker. May be useful for your needs.
HTH,
Jeff
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