---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/12/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Another Flying Circus picture (amsafetyc@aol.com) 2. 07:02 AM - Re: Split axle gear axle attach method (Rick Holland) 3. 07:03 AM - Re: gas tank float (Rick Holland) 4. 07:41 AM - Re: gas tank float (walt) 5. 10:20 AM - Re: straight axel gear (amsafetyc@aol.com) 6. 02:25 PM - gas tank float idea (Don Emch) 7. 03:11 PM - Straight axel again (amsafetyc@aol.com) 8. 04:26 PM - Re: Straight axel again (Lagowski Morrow) 9. 06:26 PM - Re: Straight axel again (amsafetyc@aol.com) 10. 06:42 PM - Re: gas tank float idea (skellytown flyer) 11. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: gas tank float idea (Jeff Boatright) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Flying Circus picture From: amsafetyc@aol.com Unless you're landing Williamsport talking to the tower and looking for the airport. Those are the tower instructions John ------Original Message------ From: walt Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Apr 11, 2009 5:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Flying Circus picture No such saying out there like "just follow the ridge" walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Flying Circus picture > > Illinois had to be a barnstormers paradise. All those long beautiful > fields... > > Don, again > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238676#238676 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/illinois_barnstorming_212.jpg > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split axle gear axle attach method From: Rick Holland Hello Ryan Attached some pictures of how I did mine. I used Matco axles/brakes/wheels. Matco recommended 1/4" thick steel for the mount plates. Looking at the pictures you attached its hard to tell if bolt on axles were used or just a single piece of tubing with a collar welded on for brake attachment. Since I have not yet flown I cannot say my design is a proven one. Rick On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Good morning all, > > I have a question about the method others have used to attach a "Cessna > style" axle to the axle end of their split-axle gear. We are in the process > of getting our vees welded up, so I want to make sure what we are looking at > doing sounds correct.H > > We are using 6.00x6 wheels and tires. I found a used set from a wind > damaged 150 on Barnstormers for a decent price, and they should be winding > their way through the USPS as I speak. They come with axles; if the axles > are serviceable I will use them, if not I will probably pick up a set of > Grove axles: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/grove60x6.php > > It would appear to me that one of the methods used to provide an attach > point for these axles is to weld a circular plate to the gear end, and then > bolt the axle to that plate. For reference here's a link to a shot of Bill > Rewey's gear from WestCoastPiet: > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/IMG_0393.JPG > > A pic of Tim Mickel's gear appears to show a similar setup, although it's > not quite as clear: > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Tim%20Mickel/DSCF0157.JPG > > Does that sound like a good method for providing an attach point for the > axles? If so, does anyone have a recommendation for the steel thickness we > should fab the mounting plate out of? > > Thanks, and have a Happy Easter! > > Ryan > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float From: Rick Holland Walt I have a steel fuel cap from ACS. You can solder brass tubing to steel using lead/tin solder? Rick On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM, walt wrote: > Friend of mine made me 2 float assy over the years , at different times, > for my two projects. > They've worked flawlessly. And very simple. > Below is his discription. > > <<<<<<<<<<< > Walt, > > Yes. 1/16" SS rod. > > The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld" > > It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you have to > drill in the ping pong ball. > > JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also Advance > Auto. > > I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy. But if > you keep the SS rod thin and not too long it will float on one ball. > > > Cook. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > use 1/16" rod from the welding store as the rod. > then I found an old ball point pen that had the brass ink tube, cut and > cleaned that and soldered it into a hole drilled in the fuel cap. > Works absolutely flawlessly!! ( or buy the tube at the hobby store) > You can either drop it to the bottom,cut the rod 1/2" from the top of > tube, and bend it over,,,,,,,,Or set it higher to make a built in reserve > > walt evans > NX140DL > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:45 AM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float Yes, steel solders beautifully. Just remember that if using a propane torch, the cap takes alot longer to come up to temp,,,so you don't discolor the brass tube and make it unsolderable. Goes without saying to pop out the rubber gasket from the gas cap first. Just clean everthing up shiney, coat all with solder paste. PS, I used the same cap as you. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float Walt I have a steel fuel cap from ACS. You can solder brass tubing to steel using lead/tin solder? Rick On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM, walt wrote: Friend of mine made me 2 float assy over the years , at different times, for my two projects. They've worked flawlessly. And very simple. Below is his discription. <<<<<<<<<<< Walt, Yes. 1/16" SS rod. The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld" It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you have to drill in the ping pong ball. JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also Advance Auto. I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy. But if you keep the SS rod thin and not too long it will float on one ball. Cook. >>>>>>>>>>>>> use 1/16" rod from the welding store as the rod. then I found an old ball point pen that had the brass ink tube, cut and cleaned that and soldered it into a hole drilled in the fuel cap. Works absolutely flawlessly!! ( or buy the tube at the hobby store) You can either drop it to the bottom,cut the rod 1/2" from the top of tube, and bend it over,,,,,,,,Or set it higher to make a built in reserve walt evans NX140DL " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight axel gear From: amsafetyc@aol.com SSBhbSBkb2luZyBteSBnZWFyIG1vY2sgdXAgYW5kIHdhcyB3b25kZXJpbmcgaWYgYW55b25lIGhh ZCBhIG5vbiBidW5nZWUgZGVzaWduIHdpdGggZGV0YWlsZWQgcGljcz8NCg0KT3IgZGV0YWlsZWQg cGljcyBvZiB0aGUgYnVuZ2VlIG1vdW50IGNvbnN0cnVjdGlvbg0KDQpUaGFua3MNCg0KSm9obg0K U2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3MgQmxhY2tCZXJyeQ0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFs IE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogIndhbHQiIDx3YWx0ZGFrQHZlcml6b24ubmV0Pg0KDQpEYXRl OiBTdW4sIDEyIEFwciAyMDA5IDEwOjQwOjQwIA0KVG86IDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBnYXMgdGFuayBmbG9hdA0KDQoN Clllcywgc3RlZWwgc29sZGVycyBiZWF1dGlmdWxseS4gSnVzdCByZW1lbWJlciB0aGF0IGlmIHVz aW5nIGEgcHJvcGFuZSB0b3JjaCwgdGhlIGNhcCB0YWtlcyBhbG90IGxvbmdlciB0byBjb21lIHVw IHRvIHRlbXAsLCxzbyB5b3UgZG9uJ3QgZGlzY29sb3IgdGhlIGJyYXNzIHR1YmUgYW5kIG1ha2Ug aXQgdW5zb2xkZXJhYmxlLg0KR29lcyB3aXRob3V0IHNheWluZyB0byBwb3Agb3V0IHRoZSBydWJi ZXIgZ2Fza2V0IGZyb20gdGhlIGdhcyBjYXAgZmlyc3QuDQpKdXN0IGNsZWFuIGV2ZXJ0aGluZyB1 cCBzaGluZXksIGNvYXQgYWxsIHdpdGggc29sZGVyIHBhc3RlLg0KUFMsIEkgdXNlZCB0aGUgc2Ft ZSBjYXAgYXMgeW91Lg0Kd2FsdCBldmFucw0KTlgxNDBETA0KDQoNCiAgLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwg TWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLSANCiAgRnJvbTogUmljayBIb2xsYW5kIA0KICBUbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxp c3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSANCiAgU2VudDogU3VuZGF5LCBBcHJpbCAxMiwgMjAwOSAxMDowMCBB TQ0KICBTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IGdhcyB0YW5rIGZsb2F0DQoNCg0KICBX YWx0DQoNCiAgSSBoYXZlIGEgc3RlZWwgZnVlbCBjYXAgZnJvbSBBQ1MuIFlvdSBjYW4gc29sZGVy IGJyYXNzIHR1YmluZyB0byBzdGVlbCB1c2luZyBsZWFkL3RpbiBzb2xkZXI/DQoNCiAgUmljaw0K DQoNCiAgT24gRnJpLCBBcHIgMTAsIDIwMDkgYXQgMzozMiBBTSwgd2FsdCA8d2FsdGRha0B2ZXJp em9uLm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCiAgICBGcmllbmQgb2YgbWluZSBtYWRlIG1lIDIgZmxvYXQgYXNz eSBvdmVyIHRoZSB5ZWFycyAsIGF0IGRpZmZlcmVudCB0aW1lcywgZm9yIG15IHR3byBwcm9qZWN0 cy4NCiAgICBUaGV5J3ZlIHdvcmtlZCBmbGF3bGVzc2x5LiAgQW5kIHZlcnkgc2ltcGxlLg0KICAg IEJlbG93IGlzIGhpcyBkaXNjcmlwdGlvbi4NCg0KICAgIDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8DQogICAgV2FsdCwN Cg0KICAgIFllcy4gMS8xNiIgU1Mgcm9kLg0KDQogICAgVGhlIGJlc3QgZXBveHkgaXMgY2FsbGVk LCAiSkIgV2VsZCINCg0KICAgIEl0IGlzIGJhc2ljYWxseSBnYXNvbGluZSBwcm9vZiBhbmQgc2Vh bHMgdGhlIHR3byAxLzE2IiBob2xlcyB5b3UgaGF2ZSB0byBkcmlsbCBpbiB0aGUgcGluZyBwb25n IGJhbGwuDQoNCiAgICBKQiBXZWxkIGlzIHNvbGQgYXQgbW9zdCBhdXRvIHBhcnRzIHN0b3Jlcy4u Lk5BUEEgZm9yIGluc3RhbmNlIGFsc28gQWR2YW5jZSBBdXRvLg0KDQogICAgSSBhbHNvIG1hZGUg c29tZSB3aXRoIFRXTyBiYWxscyBvbiBvbmUgcm9kIHRvIGdldCBtb3JlIGJ1b3lhbmN5LiAgQnV0 IGlmIHlvdSBrZWVwIHRoZSBTUyByb2QgdGhpbiBhbmQgbm90IHRvbyBsb25nIGl0IHdpbGwgZmxv YXQgb24gb25lIGJhbGwuDQoNCg0KICAgIENvb2suDQoNCiAgICA+Pj4+Pj4+Pj4+Pj4+DQoNCiAg ICB1c2UgMS8xNiIgcm9kIGZyb20gdGhlIHdlbGRpbmcgc3RvcmUgYXMgdGhlIHJvZC4NCiAgICB0 aGVuIEkgZm91bmQgYW4gb2xkIGJhbGwgcG9pbnQgcGVuIHRoYXQgaGFkIHRoZSBicmFzcyBpbmsg dHViZSwgY3V0IGFuZCBjbGVhbmVkIHRoYXQgYW5kIHNvbGRlcmVkIGl0IGludG8gYSBob2xlIGRy aWxsZWQgaW4gdGhlIGZ1ZWwgY2FwLg0KICAgIFdvcmtzIGFic29sdXRlbHkgZmxhd2xlc3NseSEh ICAoIG9yIGJ1eSB0aGUgdHViZSBhdCB0aGUgaG9iYnkgc3RvcmUpDQogICAgIFlvdSBjYW4gZWl0 aGVyIGRyb3AgaXQgdG8gdGhlIGJvdHRvbSxjdXQgdGhlIHJvZCAxLzIiIGZyb20gdGhlIHRvcCBv ZiB0dWJlLCBhbmQgYmVuZCBpdCBvdmVyLCwsLCwsLCxPciBzZXQgaXQgaGlnaGVyIHRvIG1ha2Ug YSBidWlsdCBpbiByZXNlcnZlDQoNCiAgICB3YWx0IGV2YW5zDQogICAgTlgxNDBETA0KDQoNCg0K DQoiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1Bp ZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0DQp0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly93 d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCg0KDQoNCg0KICAtLSANCiAgUmljayBIb2xs YW5kDQogIENhc3RsZSBSb2NrLCBDb2xvcmFkbw0KDQoNCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float idea From: "Don Emch" A guy could probably get creative and make this thing work. Just have to come up with a way to attach a Stainless Steel welding rod through the bore of it. I suppose you could solder a thin piece top and bottom and run the rod through it and solder. http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=7215711&PMT4NO=61847625 I used a big fat magic marker body for mine. I pulled all of the ink soaked felt out of it, turned up a small fitting on the lathe for the end of it, drilled and tapped it for my 3/32" threaded welding rod and then welded that onto the marker body. Just some ideas. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238819#238819 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again From: amsafetyc@aol.com I have a gear mock up now built. Would anyone mind sending me pics of their axel to gear mounting in detail of the traditional system in addition to any non bungee designs Thanks Happy holiday John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:31 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again John, I used Fly Baby gear which has no bungees and a single axle, wire braced. Fat, low pressure tires are the Shock absorber. I did so because of Kyle Bradford in Eaton Rapids Mich. who used the same on his many year old Piet. When I looked at his plane I liked the simplicity of it and copied it. He sent me a copy of a Pete Bowers article which shows how to build the gear. Bowers is/was Mr. Flybaby. I'll send you (or others) a copy of what Kyle sent me. It is from an article datedMay 1963.--Jim Lagowski in N.W. Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again > > I have a gear mock up now built. > > Would anyone mind sending me pics of their axel to gear mounting in detail > of the traditional system in addition to any non bungee designs > > Thanks > > Happy holiday > > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10:51:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again From: amsafetyc@aol.com That would be great please forward for review Thanks John ------Original Message------ From: Lagowski Morrow Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Apr 12, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again John, I used Fly Baby gear which has no bungees and a single axle, wire braced. Fat, low pressure tires are the Shock absorber. I did so because of Kyle Bradford in Eaton Rapids Mich. who used the same on his many year old Piet. When I looked at his plane I liked the simplicity of it and copied it. He sent me a copy of a Pete Bowers article which shows how to build the gear. Bowers is/was Mr. Flybaby. I'll send you (or others) a copy of what Kyle sent me. It is from an article datedMay 1963.--Jim Lagowski in N.W. Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axel again > > I have a gear mock up now built. > > Would anyone mind sending me pics of their axel to gear mounting in detail > of the traditional system in addition to any non bungee designs > > Thanks > > Happy holiday > > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10:51:00 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gas tank float idea From: "skellytown flyer" That looks like it must be a type of float for a pressure vessel like I have seen in the natural gas industry.I would expect it to be pretty heavy for use as a float in a gas tank. but for sure at 750# working pressure it shouldn't collapse! I do appreciate all the ideas on floats. I am thinking I'm going to hold out for some type of brass float because I am afraid that Cork could start to crumble and block the flow. but with a good finger strainer in the tank I doubt that would be a problem. thanks for all the great ideas.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238851#238851 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:09 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gas tank float idea Don't know if anyone saw this site yet: http://www.gudim.com/ReplacingCorkFloats.html Brass floats from Ford. The web page is a description of modifying them to fit a Studebaker. May be useful for your needs. 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