---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/20/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Re: Mountain Piet (Steve Ruse) 2. 05:05 PM - Materials List (TriScout) 3. 06:24 PM - Re: Materials List (carson) 4. 07:03 PM - Re: Materials List (Jack Phillips) 5. 07:57 PM - Re: Materials List (K5YAC) 6. 08:50 PM - T88 hint......Re: Materials List (Jim Markle) 7. 11:02 PM - Re: Materials List (Peter Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:46 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet What was the cause of the engine failure? Too bad, that is a good looking plane. Glad to hear it is being fixed. http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John3.html Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting gcardinal : > > It is currently being rebuilt in central Missouri by Greg Bacon. > Progress has been slow for the past year but Greg is renewing his > efforts and is determined to get it back in the air. > > Greg Cardinal > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:43 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet > > >> >> What ever became of it? I thought it was going to be re-built but >> forget if I ever heard how that went. anybody else running the >> Subaru conversion? Raymond >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240213#240213 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Materials List From: "TriScout" Hello all, This might be a tedious question (my apologies in advance). This is my first posting here. I ordered Piet plans from Don/Andrew. I am hoping to put in an order for wood before my plans arrive for the aircamper, as I am off to fly a trip in 6 days. I could be gone for more than 2 weeks. My hope is to hit the ground running when I get back home in May, as I have 2 weeks home each month to "toss her together". I am seeking a materials list for just the wing ribs and tailfeather material so as to place an order w/aircraft spruce or wicks this week, thereby possibly saving a months time awaiting delivery. Any takers? Thanks in advance.. Rgrds; Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240386#240386 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Materials List From: "carson" Im just heading out the door for 3 days myself,I can give you mine when I get back if no one else replies,I only have a hard copy so will have to type it out Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240400#240400 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:39 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Materials List Larry, Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpol builders. It's been a while since I built mine (particularly the ribs), so I'm going on old memory, but as I recall, it takes 3 6' lengths of 1/4" x 1/2" for each rib, plus gusset material. Are you planning to use aircraft grade materials? If so you will likely be ordering from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce & Specialty. Shipping gets pretty expensive, because the big pieces (like 4' x 8' sheetsof plywood, and spars and longerons) are too big to go UPS and must be shipped by truck. Generally the shipping costs at least $150, so you should try to order it all at once. Shipping one spar costs $150. Shipping four spars and four longerons and several sheets of plywood probably costs around $165. If you want to just get enough to do the ribs, you will be better off to order a few pieces of plywood sheets, so they can ship more cheaply. You can order 2' x 4' sections and pay a little more for the wood but save a lot on the shipping. 6' pieces of spruce can also ship cheaply, so I would say, for the ribs, order 90, 6' pieces of 1/4" x 1/2" spruce capstrip, and a couple of 2'x4' pieces of 1/16" plywood (birch or mahogany - your choice). If you order from Aircraft Spruce, I would also buy their "Bargain Bag of Spruce" - it truly is a baragin and you will get several nice pieces of spruce that you will find uses for at some point in your project. You will also need glue (I use resorcinol, everybody else uses T-88) and a pound of 1/2" AN501 nails, and that should be enough to atleast get you through the ribs. Have Fun! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh,NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Materials List Hello all, This might be a tedious question (my apologies in advance). This is my first posting here. I ordered Piet plans from Don/Andrew. I am hoping to put in an order for wood before my plans arrive for the aircamper, as I am off to fly a trip in 6 days. I could be gone for more than 2 weeks. My hope is to hit the ground running when I get back home in May, as I have 2 weeks home each month to "toss her together". I am seeking a materials list for just the wing ribs and tailfeather material so as to place an order w/aircraft spruce or wicks this week, thereby possibly saving a months time awaiting delivery. Any takers? Thanks in advance.. Rgrds; Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240386#240386 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Materials List From: "K5YAC" Hi Larry! I am also new to the Pietenpol, but I will vouch for Jack's memory. I recently ordered exactly what he recommends and found that amount of material to be just right. I've got all of my diagonals and uprights cut and I had enough to shape the top and bottom capstrips as well. Jack: "for the ribs, order 90, 6' pieces of 1/4" x 1/2" spruce capstrip, and a couple of 2'x4' pieces of 1/16" plywood" I also picked up the Bargain Bag of Spruce and it does indeed contain a nice variety of various sizes and shapes. I've not used any yet, but I'm sure it will be useful at some point. I am also using T-88 as Jack mentioned. I like it so far as it allows a good working time (45 min or so) and is super strong. I'm using 1/4" nails, which seem to be adequate in holding the gussets in place. Even though the plans call for 1/2" nails, they seem a bit long, but I don't suppose either would be necessarily bad to use. According to "The Sportplane Builder" - Tony Bingelis, "the nails should be long enough to penetrate the underlying structure by 3 times the thickness of the surface plywood." 1/16" ply should require 1/4" nail. I hope I'm not overlooking some other reason that the plans might have called for 1/2" nails. If you plan to use 1/4" nails, get a good, lightweight pair of needle nose pliers and a tack hammer. I think the capstrip and wing rib assembly should keep you busy for several weeks. If you order the stuff mentioned above, it should come UPS ground... mine did. That should keep you off the freight truck until you get a better idea what all you need to order for the rest of the build. Good luck on your build! -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240411#240411 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:34 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: T88 hint......Pietenpol-List: Re: Materials List So if you're using T-88....think about this.... Print out an excel spreadsheet (like the picture I've attached to this email) that shows how much T-88 to mix by weight. The spreadsheet shows two columns, the one on the left shows a weight for the hardener and the number in the right hand column is what the scale will show when you then add just the right amount of resin. It's a neat way to do it because no matter how much hardener you put in, the spreadsheet shows exactly how much resin to then add...much more accurate than guestimating half and half... For example, if I add 5.80 oz of hardener (I color coded the columns to help keep it straight) then all I do is add resin until the scale says 12.788. But if I accidentally put in a bit more, say 5.95 oz then I keep pouring the resin until the scale says 13.119. Maybe it's just me and everyone else figured this out already but this has REALLY helped speed up the T-88 process and keep my mix, which I used to just guess at, very accurate. Jim in Pryor >I am also using T-88 as Jack mentioned. I like it so far as it allows a good working time (45 min or so) and is super strong. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:54 PM PST US From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Materials List Larry, I have a list on my web site. Go to http://www.cpc-world.com. Under "Services and Suppliers" there is a wood cutting list. Hope it helps. Peter Wonthaggi Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Materials List Hello all, This might be a tedious question (my apologies in advance). This is my first posting here. I ordered Piet plans from Don/Andrew. I am hoping to put in an order for wood before my plans arrive for the aircamper, as I am off to fly a trip in 6 days. I could be gone for more than 2 weeks. My hope is to hit the ground running when I get back home in May, as I have 2 weeks home each month to "toss her together". I am seeking a materials list for just the wing ribs and tailfeather material so as to place an order w/aircraft spruce or wicks this week, thereby possibly saving a months time awaiting delivery. Any takers? Thanks in advance.. 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