---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/29/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:07 AM - 220 lb - passenger (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 06:09 AM - Air Speed (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:26 AM - Firewall Construction (Paul N. Peckham) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Firewall Construction (Ben Charvet) 5. 09:15 AM - Re: Firewall Construction (Ed G.) 6. 09:23 AM - a man after Corky's heart (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: a man after Corky's heart (mike) 8. 12:09 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (walt) 9. 12:21 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (Jack Phillips) 10. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Construction OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 11. 01:24 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (walt) 12. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Construction OT (walt) 13. 02:02 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (Paul N. Peckham) 14. 02:03 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (Gary Boothe) 15. 02:38 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (walt) 16. 03:09 PM - Re: Firewall Construction (Rick Holland) 17. 03:10 PM - Jack's first mountain landing on Mt Mitchell (Gene & Tammy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:44 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 220 lb - passenger Steve is not the heaviest passenger who has flown with me=2C and I weigh pr obably 155 in flying trim. I took a fellow up who probably weighed 220 and it was a warm day=2C gusty winds=2C and the airplane struggled into the ai r but we did OK. I expect the airplane to be a much more solid climber whe n I hang the A75 on it=2C but it's not bad with the 65 on it. Solo=2C it's a rocket. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:25 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Speed Regarding airspeeds=2C and to more directly answer Corky's question about w hat cruise airspeed he can expect from his L-3 lookalike=2C this page: http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronca_L-3 shows a cruise speed of 79 MPH with th e A65-8 but who knows if that's a real number or not. The airplane that Co rky built himself=2C NX41CC=2C will cruise all day at 70 MPH indicated airs peed with cruise RPM set on the A65. It is also very easy to hit redline i n the airplane by dropping the nose=2C but equally easy to scrub off that a irspeed by raising the nose or pulling power. I have not tried any spot la nding contests but it would seem to me that the Piet would be very responsi ve in that kind of contest=2C more so than Cubs or other airplanes with mor e wing and more tendency to float in ground effect. The Piet is not much o f a floater if you nail the airspeed. I really learned a great deal from Mike Cuy's analysis of airspeed control and maybe he will re-post what he said about approach airspeed before. Som ething like 57 is too hot=2C 55 is about right=2C and 50 will put you right on the numbers but you'd better hold that airspeed perfectly or you'll mus h it in and bounce or else not make the threshold. When I first started fl ying my Piet I was using 60 as a final approach speed due to all of the war nings about the power-off sink rate=2C but now that I know the airplane I u se the brick-like sink rate to my advantage and I like the ability to make short=2C slow landings fully controlled. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction From: "Paul N. Peckham" For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. Thanks. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:30 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction I started out planning to use the Corvair and added the ash cross-member, b ecause the Pietenpol design motor mount attaches to it.- I used a 1/8 in ply firewall, because it gets covered with metal anyway.- I don't think y ou will need the tray if you aren't using a Model A - Ben Charvet covering fuselage, wings covered and painted --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Paul N. Peckham wrote: From: Paul N. Peckham Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How di d you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. Thanks. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:13 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction I built a corvair style bed mount for my Franklin and did the same as Ben. 1/8" ply with the ash crossmember and no tray. The ash crossmember seems to add a lot of strength to the front of the fuselage but I'm not sure that t he guys building for a Continental put one in. Ed G. From: bcharvet@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction I started out planning to use the Corvair and added the ash cross-member=2C because the Pietenpol design motor mount attaches to it. I used a 1/8 in ply firewall=2C because it gets covered with metal anyway. I don't think y ou will need the tray if you aren't using a Model A Ben Charvet covering fuselage=2C wings covered and painted --- On Wed=2C 4/29/09=2C Paul N. Peckham wrote: From: Paul N. Peckham Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How di d you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash cross beam=2C left on or taken off? Also the tray=2C did you build it in=2C or leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. Thanks. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:50 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a man after Corky's heart ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:32 AM PST US From: "mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a man after Corky's heart Too much time on my hands, I guess. Ping pong balls of that era were 38mm diameter (1.5". Modern balls are 40mm or 1.57") 10,000 of them would give about 206 lbs of displacement in sea water, not enough to keep an engine afloat, let alone an entire water-logged airplane. Corky's milk jug idea was a lot better. Mike Hardaway _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: a man after Corky's heart [snipped for brevity] ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:09 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction Paul, Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank in there. What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front plywood, in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add hardware,fuel fittings, etc. There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. see pic. Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. The metal firewall covers it all. Think minimum thickness is .018" NO aluminum walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Peckham" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > > For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How > did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash > cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or > leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. > Thanks. > > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:03 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction So Walt, do I understand you correctly that you've got an ash tray? I've got a cigarette lighter in mine (to power the GPS) but I never thought about putting in an ash tray. Jack For Heaven's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction Paul, Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank in there. What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front plywood, in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add hardware,fuel fittings, etc. There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. see pic. Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. The metal firewall covers it all. Think minimum thickness is .018" NO aluminum walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Peckham" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > > For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How > did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash > cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or > leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. > Thanks. > > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:00 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction OT Do Not archive My old 1959 Cessna 150 had two ashtrays, both within reach of both PAX. Stories are told of an old instructor and his student in a C150, both smoked a lot, and turning final would have to crack a window IOT see the runway. So Put an ashtray in both cockpits! Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > So Walt, do I understand you correctly that you've got an ash tray? I've > got a cigarette lighter in mine (to power the GPS) but I never thought about > putting in an ash tray. > > Jack > > For Heaven's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:03 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > Paul, > Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank in > there. > What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front plywood, > in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add hardware,fuel > fittings, etc. > There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. > see pic. > Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. > And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. > The metal firewall covers it all. > Think minimum thickness is .018" > NO aluminum > walt evans > NX140DL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul N. Peckham" < > To: < > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > > > < > > > > For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How > > did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash > > cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or > > leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. > > > Thanks. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:58 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction Yeah, but it has a cover on it. You have to pull back to almost a stall to open it. If not you start to taste the dust. PS Thank goodness for my old windproof "Nautilus" Zippo walt evans NX140DL do not archive this one either ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > > So Walt, do I understand you correctly that you've got an ash tray? I've > got a cigarette lighter in mine (to power the GPS) but I never thought > about > putting in an ash tray. > > Jack > > For Heaven's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:03 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > Paul, > Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank in > there. > What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front > plywood, > in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add > hardware,fuel > fittings, etc. > There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. > see pic. > Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. > And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. > The metal firewall covers it all. > Think minimum thickness is .018" > NO aluminum > walt evans > NX140DL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul N. Peckham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > >> >> >> For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How >> did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash >> cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or >> leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the >> fuselage. > >> Thanks. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:41 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction OT I didn't hear, are they doing auditions for the Henny Youngman spot? walt evans NX140DL No archives here please do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction OT > > > Do Not archive > My old 1959 Cessna 150 had two ashtrays, both within reach of both PAX. > Stories are told of an old instructor and his student in a C150, both > smoked a lot, and turning final would have to crack a window IOT see the > runway. > So Put an ashtray in both cockpits! > > Steve D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack Phillips > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 14:30 > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> >> So Walt, do I understand you correctly that you've got an ash tray? I've >> got a cigarette lighter in mine (to power the GPS) but I never thought >> about >> putting in an ash tray. >> >> Jack >> >> For Heaven's sake, DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:03 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction >> >> Paul, >> Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank >> in >> there. >> What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front >> plywood, >> in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add >> hardware,fuel >> fittings, etc. >> There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. >> see pic. >> Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. >> And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. >> The metal firewall covers it all. >> Think minimum thickness is .018" >> NO aluminum >> walt evans >> NX140DL >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul N. Peckham" < >> To: < >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction >> >> >> > < >> > >> > For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: >> > How >> > did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The >> > ash >> > cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, >> > or >> > leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the >> > fuselage. >> >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Firewall Construction From: "Paul N. Peckham" Man, you guys are a hoot! Let's see now.........we've gone from firewall construction to ash trays. Now the ash tray must be where you put the smoke system on a Piet??!! That's what makes this list so great. You get answers to your questions and then some. Thanks guys. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241972#241972 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction Walt, You are younger than I thought....good idea about the hook-ups! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction Paul, Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank in there. What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front plywood, in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add hardware,fuel fittings, etc. There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. see pic. Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. The metal firewall covers it all. Think minimum thickness is .018" NO aluminum walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Peckham" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > > For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How > did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash > cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or > leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. > Thanks. > > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:06 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction Gary, Yeah , I had to stand on tip-toes to see what I did, but it was good. Love those pre-pubesent days walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > Walt, > > You are younger than I thought....good idea about the hook-ups! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear > (13 ribs down.) > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:03 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > Paul, > Built right to plans, with the ash and tray. Put a 14 gallon fuel tank in > there. > What you may want to think of , is I cut a round hole in the front > plywood, > in the lower section to be able to reach into the nose to add > hardware,fuel > fittings, etc. > There is no way to reach from the fwd cockpit. > see pic. > Hole off to the left is where cabin heat duct goes. > And holes below is gascolator mount screw holes. > The metal firewall covers it all. > Think minimum thickness is .018" > NO aluminum > walt evans > NX140DL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul N. Peckham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:26 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction > > >> >> >> For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How >> did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash >> cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or >> leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the >> fuselage. > >> Thanks. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Construction From: Rick Holland I am building with a Corvair. Don't see a need for the tray but the ash cross member does add a lot of strength, my fuel tank hangs from it and its a perfect place to bolt the battery holder. Rick On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Paul N. Peckham wrote: > peckham9@countryspeed.com> > > For those of you who built your Piet with a Corvair or Continental: How > did you fashion your firewall? Did you use 1/8 or 1/4 plywood? The ash > cross beam, left on or taken off? Also the tray, did you build it in, or > leave it off? The plans are a bit ambiguous on this part of the fuselage. > Thanks. > > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241896#241896 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:37 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack's first mountain landing on Mt Mitchell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.