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1. 07:30 AM - Re: WARNING! CARB HEAT BOXES FROM A.S.S. (Lagowski Morrow)
2. 02:32 PM - New to Piet's with Questions please (Codeseven)
3. 02:37 PM - tailwheel/skid bracket (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 03:05 PM - Re: tailwheel/skid bracket (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 03:12 PM - Re: New to Piet's with Questions please (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:11 PM - Re: New to Piet's with Questions please (Jack Phillips)
7. 06:19 PM - Re: New to Piet's with Questions please (Codeseven)
8. 06:28 PM - Re: WARNING! CARB HEAT BOXES FROM A.S.S. (shad bell)
9. 06:33 PM - Re: New to Piet's with Questions please (Ryan Mueller)
10. 07:04 PM - tailwheel/skid bracket (santiago morete)
11. 08:41 PM - Aileron response & stick movement (Steve Ruse)
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| Subject: | Re: WARNING! CARB HEAT BOXES FROM A.S.S. |
I have a surplus heat box for the same carb which I will sell for the
best offer. I'll ship and if you don't like it you ship it back--Jim
Lagowski jimdeb@charter.net
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From: shad bell
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WARNING! CARB HEAT BOXES FROM A.S.S.
Group, Anyone who has a Aircraft Spruce A.S. carb heat box look
out! While Starting the oil change, Annual cond. inspection on the piet
(179 hrs tt)I noticed the carb heat box is broken. The weld, or braze
joint? ( not sure what the hell it is?) that holds the carb heat box to
the carb is broke clean at the weld joint. It looks like the round tube
is welded to a flange and ground flat for the gasket, and at the box
joint it is spot welded. Any way, look out for a failed joint in the
welding, i noticed this by grabing the carb heat box and wiggling it,
the box litterally came off in my hand, only held on by the carb heat
control cable and exaust scat hose! I will try to contact A.S.S.
tommorow after talking to Dad (he bought it from them) and see if they
will make it right, my guess probbably not, made in china is my guess.
For all of you who have bought one already, just weld the joint where
the carb attatch flange tube meets the heat box, and weld around the
circumfrence and you should be OK. Comparing the "Hombuilder's Special"
to an older heat box off of a Piper Colt, it looks like they took all
the short cuts on quality and safty/ dependability, and craftmenship. I
hope this saves someone's ass before it gets expensive. This particular
heat box is one for the Marvel Schebler MA3SPA carb, similar if not
identical to a c-,85, 0-200. With a Corvair, carb heat can be
exspecially important. Please pass this on to fellow homebuilders as it
might save there bacon.
Shad
Hope to be flying in 2 weeks or less!
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| Subject: | New to Piet's with Questions please |
Hello everyone,
The Pietenpol is a favorite of mine that I have pondered building over the past
few years. I've been a regular at Oshkosh and last year I saw a beautiful red
Pietenpol powered by a Rotec radial that really peaked my interest in this great
little aircraft. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.
First, if I built a Piet in my garage I would like to be able to trailor it to
the airport for awhile at least until I could get a hanger (which as you may know
are scarce and expensive here in So Cal).
My question is, is there an option for a removable or folding wing(s)?
Second, I have a keen interest in welding and would like very much to build a steel
tube fuse.
My question is, there seems to be several variants of the original Pietenpol. Do
most plans for the Piet include an option for a steel tube fuse?
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | tailwheel/skid bracket |
The rear tailwheel/skid bracket, the one that attaches to the tailpost of
the fuselage and holds the socket for the spring, has four holes in the
bottom. I can get bolts in the front two holes and get the nuts on the
inside, but how in the heck do you get the nuts inside for the rear two
holes. They are just beneath where the diagonal joins the bottom longeron
and tailpost and there is almost no room.
Plans seem to show bolts, but omit anything inside.
Did you guys bolt them or are screws supposed to go here?
Wondering if anyone else has had this dilemma.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel/skid bracket |
Douwe,
I just used four PK screws of sufficient length. In my estimation, there will be
almost no sideload on this bracket, so that should be sufficient.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Fuselage covered, and all control and tail surfaces. On to the Wing!? Stewart System
is really fast and easy.
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| Subject: | Re: New to Piet's with Questions please |
Mike,
Welcome to the list. That red Pietenpol at Oshkosh with the Rotec was probably
my neighbor's Pober Jr. Ace. To my knowledge, only one Piet has a Rotec and that
is Dick Navatril in Minnesota. Building a Piet is El mucho fun!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Codeseven <mikedoloresa@att.net>
Sent: Sat, 2 May 2009 4:32 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to Piet's with Questions please
Hello everyone,
The Pietenpol is a favorite of mine that I have pondered building over the past
few years. I've been a regular at Oshkosh and last year I saw a beautiful red
Pietenpol powered by a Rotec radial that really peaked my interest in this great
little aircraft. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.
First, if I built a Piet in my garage I would like to be able to trailor it to
the airport for awhile at least until I could get a hanger (which as you may
know are scarce and expensive here in So Cal).
My question is, is there an option for a removable or folding wing(s)?
Second, I have a keen interest in welding and would like very much to build a
steel tube fuse.
My question is, there seems to be several variants of the original Pietenpol. Do
most plans for the Piet include an option for a steel tube fuse?
Thanks
Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242435#242435
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| Subject: | New to Piet's with Questions please |
Hi Mike,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols! I would guess the rotec
radial powered Pietenepol you saw is Dick Navratil's. He was on the cover
of Sport Aviation with it a couple of years ago, although it is more of a
natural wood color than red.
I don't know of an option for folding wings for a Pietenpol. With the three
piece wing, the outer panels are removable, but it is a pain in the butt
that takes at least two people at least an hour to do. It would really put
a damper on my flying if I knew I had to do that before and after each
flight.
If you buy the plans set from Andrew Pietenpol (Bernard Pietenpol's
grandson) I believe they include a set of plans for a welded steel tube
fuselage. Check with him before you buy.
I would recommend you come a few days early for Oshkosh and visit the annual
Pietenpol Fly-In at Brodhead Wisconsin the weekend before Oshkosh. There
you will see and learn everything about Pietenpols you could ever want to
know. I also recommend a couple of items that you should purchase before
really digging into this:
1. The set of four Tony Bingelis books on sportplane construction: The
Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward and
Tony Bingelis on Engines. These books will answer 90% of the questions you
will have - this forum can answer the rest.
2. The Video tape that Mike Cuy produced about building and flying his
Pietenpol. In addition to a welath of information, there is a large section
on flying that is just good inspiration to get you over the rough spots in
building. You can find a link to this on Glenn Thomas's website:
http://www.flyingwood.com/
Good Luck and Have Fun. It's a Great Airplane!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Codeseven
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to Piet's with Questions please
Hello everyone,
The Pietenpol is a favorite of mine that I have pondered building over the
past few years. I've been a regular at Oshkosh and last year I saw a
beautiful red Pietenpol powered by a Rotec radial that really peaked my
interest in this great little aircraft. I have a couple of questions if you
don't mind.
First, if I built a Piet in my garage I would like to be able to trailor it
to the airport for awhile at least until I could get a hanger (which as you
may know are scarce and expensive here in So Cal).
My question is, is there an option for a removable or folding wing(s)?
Second, I have a keen interest in welding and would like very much to build
a steel tube fuse.
My question is, there seems to be several variants of the original
Pietenpol. Do most plans for the Piet include an option for a steel tube
fuse?
Thanks
Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242435#242435
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| Subject: | Re: New to Piet's with Questions please |
Hi Dan,
I think your right! I Google'd Pober Jr Ace and found the plane I had seen (gee,
never did find it when I searched Pietenpols!:) I saw it in flight and assumed
it was a radial engined Pietenpol! If your neighbor is Tim Gallagher then it
was indeed his aircraft, very nice.
http://www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/TimG.htm
Hi Jack,
Thanks for all the info. I think your right, putting the wings on/off everytime
would become a chore and the Piet is indeed a great little aircraft.
Thanks for the invite to the Fly-In at Brodhead you just might see me there.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: WARNING! CARB HEAT BOXES FROM A.S.S. |
Jim, Thanks for the offer.- I think we will try to weld this one first, t
hen if all else fails I might be offering on your surpluss box.- The bigg
est pain in the a## is that flying season is here and the flying machine is
broke.- I guess that is the price of flying, work on them 2 hrs and fly
them for 1.- I just need to get the annual done in March, instead of May
next year.
-
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| Subject: | Re: New to Piet's with Questions please |
Hello Mike,
I second Jack's statement: if you want to build a Piet, come to the fly-in
at Brodhead...and while your at it head on up to Oshkosh.
Folding wings (to my knowledge) have never been done. Per Mike Cuy's comment
in the archives: "Folding wings have been discussed ad nauseum on the list
in years past". Check out: http://www.matronics.com/search/
Pick "Pietenpol" from the drop down menu, and read the instructions on how
to best format your search.
As far as steel tube fuselages go, they are in the plans that you get from
the Pietenpol family. However, the steel tube fuselage shown is for the
"short" fuselage. This is the fuselage length from the original 1933
"Improved Air Camper" plans. There is also a "long" fuselage that was
developed for usage of the Continental/Corvair engines. Both the "short"
steel tube fuselage and the "long" wood fuselage drawings are included in
the supplemental plans that you can buy from the Pietenpol family. You can
find the merits of both fuse lengths discussed ad nauseum in the archives.
When it comes to a "long" steel tube fuselage....there is no plan sheet for
that from the family. Roman Bukolt has a Continental powered steel tube
fuselage Pietenpol. I don't know if it is the long or short fuse. I believe
Roman monitors the list, so maybe he could chime in as far as which length
he has, and give you his perspective as well.
Congrats on your interest in the Piet. Definitely spend some time searching
through archives; there is a tremendous amount of information in there. Good
luck,
Ryan
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| Subject: | tailwheel/skid bracket |
Hi Douwe,
-
I guess Dan is right.- If you take a look at the Sky Scout's tail skid pl
ans (same style as the Air Camper) you can read "screw pocket plate to the
fuselage".
Saludos
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| Subject: | Aileron response & stick movement |
Has anyone shortened the aileron horns from stock length in order to get
a faster roll response with smaller stick inputs? After flying my plane
300+ hours, there have been times where I wished I had more aileron.
Typically in gusty, high wind conditions during turns. Especially when
turning into the wind (like base to final), I've experienced gusts that
tend to pull the low wing further down...not a comfortable situation
when you are already low. Max aileron input in the opposite direction
gives a response that is delayed and much slower than I would like. I'm
running out of room for the stick, as it hits my leg. There is more
aileron deflection left before I hit the stop, but in my typical flying
position my leg is in the way (I'm about 6'0", BTW, with a stock Piet
cockpit). If I shift to one side and lift my leg I can get more aileron
deflection, so I'm not talking about increasing total deflection, just
increasing the response rate.
It seems that shortening the aileron horns 20% to 30% would give me more
deflection for the same stick movement. What are the potential
downsides that I'm not considering? Has anyone done this? I'm
interested in any thoughts or opinions on the subject.
Thanks,
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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