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1. 05:41 AM - Club OOFF (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Club OOFF (Ed G.)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Club OOFF (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
4. 12:13 PM - Re: Club OOFF (Jack Phillips)
5. 12:21 PM - Re: Club OOFF (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 12:35 PM - Re: Club OOFF (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Club OOFF (mike)
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Well=2C well... the world-renowned Sean Tucker has joined the club that I'm
already a member of... the Out Of Fuel Flyers (OOFF) =3Bo)
http://www.kcra.com/news/19363804/detail.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
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I've always wondered...If the FARs say you MUST have a 30 minute reserve do
es the FAA give you greif about running out of fuel and landing on a road??
?? just curious cause you never know....Ed Grentzer Do Not Archive
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF
Well=2C well... the world-renowned Sean Tucker has joined the club that I'm
already a member of... the Out Of Fuel Flyers (OOFF) =3Bo)
http://www.kcra.com/news/19363804/detail.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of
the pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by
landing on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA
and
local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is
administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal ent
ity
or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of
curiousity.
John
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I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landing
with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there were
no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and I
talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make a
written report to the FAA and that was the end of it.
Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from
his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1
between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and
had to pay a fine.
You fellows in the midwest don't know what it's like to fly around here.
Much of the time a highway is your only safe option - otherwise you are
gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing which
of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF
Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of the
pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by landing
on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local
law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is
administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal entity
or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of
curiousity.
John
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Here in Pennsylvania many of our roads are just as good as many of the roc
k
filled farm fields, sometimes better if you can find a new stretch of
roadway that has no wires, but pretty much the best option for semi strai
ght
hard surfaces, typically when you find a road with no traffic, there's a
good
chance its not a road!
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Being from the Mid west I will take my chances with the Law and the FAA
rather than try to explain to some farmer why I just did a forced landing
in the middle of his gold plated hay field. All the while taking an ass
chewing, for the damage I did, meanwhile his kids cut doughnuts in the
same filed with 4 wheeler, but that's ok.....At least the officer will let
you remove the aircraft...
Jake Spiegel
Slooooowly building
Jesup Iowa
"Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
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I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced
landing with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago,
there were no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the
scene and I talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had
to make a written report to the FAA and that was the end of it.
Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from
his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1
between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and
had to pay a fine.
You fellows in the midwest don?t know what it?s like to fly around here.
Much of the time a highway is your only safe option ? otherwise you are
gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing
which of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF
Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of
the pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by
landing on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA
and local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that
is administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal
entity or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter
of curiousity.
John
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I think the clearest distinction comes about when the invasion of the public
roadway is the pilot's fault, as in simple fuel mismanagement causing the
unwanted landing. If you screw up and cause a public safety issue, you will
probably pay. If something unforeseen and and unavoidable happens though,
such as a bird strike or broken piston rod, and the roadway is a reasonable
way to keep yourself alive, it is pretty difficult for FAA in particular
and/or local LEO to make a citation stick.
Jack, your buddy's fine was probably viewed as a "user fee" to make up for
his not having paid highway gas tax. You didn't say if the FAA had any
issues with his incident.
Mike Hardaway
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF
I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landing
with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there were
no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and I
talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make a
written report to the FAA and that was the end of it.
Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from
his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1
between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and
had to pay a fine.
You fellows in the midwest don't know what it's like to fly around here.
Much of the time a highway is your only safe option - otherwise you are
gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing which
of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF
Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of the
pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by landing
on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local
law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is
administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal entity
or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of
curiousity.
John
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