---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/06/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - Club OOFF (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Club OOFF (Ed G.) 3. 07:46 AM - Re: Club OOFF (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 4. 12:13 PM - Re: Club OOFF (Jack Phillips) 5. 12:21 PM - Re: Club OOFF (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 12:35 PM - Re: Club OOFF (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 7. 01:09 PM - Re: Club OOFF (mike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:53 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Well=2C well... the world-renowned Sean Tucker has joined the club that I'm already a member of... the Out Of Fuel Flyers (OOFF) =3Bo) http://www.kcra.com/news/19363804/detail.html Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:14 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF I've always wondered...If the FARs say you MUST have a 30 minute reserve do es the FAA give you greif about running out of fuel and landing on a road?? ?? just curious cause you never know....Ed Grentzer Do Not Archive From: taildrags@hotmail.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Well=2C well... the world-renowned Sean Tucker has joined the club that I'm already a member of... the Out Of Fuel Flyers (OOFF) =3Bo) http://www.kcra.com/news/19363804/detail.html Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd1_052009 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:18 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of the pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by landing on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal ent ity or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of curiousity. John **************Big savings on Dell=99s most popular laptops. Now star ting at $449! =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:41 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landing with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there were no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and I talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make a written report to the FAA and that was the end of it. Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1 between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and had to pay a fine. You fellows in the midwest don't know what it's like to fly around here. Much of the time a highway is your only safe option - otherwise you are gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing which of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of the pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by landing on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal entity or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of curiousity. John _____ Big p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh> savings on Dell's most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:39 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Here in Pennsylvania many of our roads are just as good as many of the roc k filled farm fields, sometimes better if you can find a new stretch of roadway that has no wires, but pretty much the best option for semi strai ght hard surfaces, typically when you find a road with no traffic, there's a good chance its not a road! John **************Big savings on Dell=99s most popular laptops. Now star ting at $449! =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Being from the Mid west I will take my chances with the Law and the FAA rather than try to explain to some farmer why I just did a forced landing in the middle of his gold plated hay field. All the while taking an ass chewing, for the damage I did, meanwhile his kids cut doughnuts in the same filed with 4 wheeler, but that's ok.....At least the officer will let you remove the aircraft... Jake Spiegel Slooooowly building Jesup Iowa "Jack Phillips" Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 05/06/2009 02:12 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To cc Subject RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landing with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there were no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and I talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make a written report to the FAA and that was the end of it. Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1 between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and had to pay a fine. You fellows in the midwest don?t know what it?s like to fly around here. Much of the time a highway is your only safe option ? otherwise you are gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing which of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of the pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by landing on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal entity or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of curiousity. John Big savings on Dell's most popular laptops. 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If you screw up and cause a public safety issue, you will probably pay. If something unforeseen and and unavoidable happens though, such as a bird strike or broken piston rod, and the roadway is a reasonable way to keep yourself alive, it is pretty difficult for FAA in particular and/or local LEO to make a citation stick. Jack, your buddy's fine was probably viewed as a "user fee" to make up for his not having paid highway gas tax. You didn't say if the FAA had any issues with his incident. Mike Hardaway _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landing with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there were no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and I talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make a written report to the FAA and that was the end of it. Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1 between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and had to pay a fine. You fellows in the midwest don't know what it's like to fly around here. Much of the time a highway is your only safe option - otherwise you are gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing which of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF Cant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories of the pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft by landing on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that is administered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal entity or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of curiousity. John _____ Big savings on Dell's most popular laptops. 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