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1. 04:33 AM - Tail handling (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Tail handling (gcardinal)
3. 05:13 AM - footnote in Pietenpol history (lnawms@yahoo.com)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Tail handling (Jack Phillips)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: Tail handling (Ryan Mueller)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: Tail handling (Andrew M Eldredge)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: Tail handling (Dick N.)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: footnote in Pietenpol history (Dick N.)
9. 08:44 AM - Tail handling (santiago morete)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Tail handling (Ben Charvet)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: Tail handling (Rick Holland)
12. 10:41 AM - Re: Tail handling (H RULE)
13. 11:53 AM - Tail handling (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 12:51 PM - Varnish for Fuse Interior (Andrew M Eldredge)
15. 01:13 PM - Re: Varnish for Fuse Interior (amsafetyc@aol.com)
16. 01:38 PM - Re: Varnish for Fuse Interior (Bill Church)
17. 04:04 PM - Re: footnote in Pietenpol history (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 05:41 PM - Re: Tail handling (Lagowski Morrow)
19. 05:46 PM - Re: Tail handling (Lagowski Morrow)
20. 05:54 PM - Re: Tail handling (Gary Boothe)
21. 06:03 PM - Re: Tail handling (Don Emch)
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Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground when you need
to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at Brodhead. Are you able
to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the horizontal stab? Those with only
a skid, especially have to address this problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I forgot, and
covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
On NX18235 a handle is attached to the aft fuselage at the point where
the tailskid A-frame connects to the fuselage.
Grabbing the tailskid A-frame works just as well but I tend to get
tangled up in the elevator and rudder cables.
Installing a grab handle along the lower longeron about 3 feet forward
of the A-frame would have been useful.
Greg Cardinal
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From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground
when you need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at
Brodhead. Are you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the
horizontal stab? Those with only a skid, especially have to address this
problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
forgot, and covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| Subject: | footnote in Pietenpol history |
As I was reading a newly arrived aviation publication and reviewing some po
sts on this site, I recalled when I was a new enthusiast to the Pietenpol s
cene and the respect paid to Mr. Pietenpol was of the highest order. It was
common knowledge that Mr. Pietenpol really, really, really-disliked bein
g called "Bernie"so, nobody ever did.-He was addressed and referred to-
as either Mr. Pietenpol or Bernard and if anyone new came along and slipped
up they either got the evil eye or were politely informed of their infract
ion.
-
In this day of overall decline in innocence and trust, it sure would be nic
e to hold on to at least a little scrap of honor-for a man who-gave us
the gift-of building and flying something that hearkens back to a much-
simpler and better-time in America.
-
Please, no more "Bernie" for those of us who honor the man and his airplane
.
-
Thanks-
-
Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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I agree with Greg. I wish I had put a handle on my lower longerons. The
tail is fairly heavy, and reaching through the bird's nest of cables just
forward of the stabilizer is not easy. I would NOT pick it up by the
stabilizer, since nothing on the stabilizer ahead of the spar is attached to
the fuselage and you would be relying on the rib capstrips to support the
weight of the entire tail.
With a tailwheel which can go into full swivel, I find that I tend to push
mine around on the ground with the tail bracing wires where they attach to
the vertical fin. Not a very good solution, but handy.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
On NX18235 a handle is attached to the aft fuselage at the point where the
tailskid A-frame connects to the fuselage.
Grabbing the tailskid A-frame works just as well but I tend to get tangled
up in the elevator and rudder cables.
Installing a grab handle along the lower longeron about 3 feet forward of
the A-frame would have been useful.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground when you
need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at Brodhead. Are
you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the horizontal stab? Those
with only a skid, especially have to address this problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I forgot,
and covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
Dan,
Bill Rewey installed a handle on his Piet. Here's a shot from WestCoastPiet
(thanks Chris!):
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/DSCF0039.JPG
I believe it is just two U channels with the handle welded to each, and then
the channels come up onto the longeron from underneath and bolts are run
through. Not that that helps you much, since you have already covered your
fuse.
Have a good weekend,
Ryan
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:27 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Everyone,
>
> I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground when you
> need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at Brodhead. Are
> you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the horizontal stab? Those
> with only a skid, especially have to address this problem.
> I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
> forgot, and covered the fuse already.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
> Everything covered except the wing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
7229R Never had a handle, I just reach down and put my hand under the lower
longeron and pick the tail up.
Andrew
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Bill Rewey installed a handle on his Piet. Here's a shot from WestCoastPiet
> (thanks Chris!):
>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/DSCF0039.JPG
>
> I believe it is just two U channels with the handle welded to each, and
> then the channels come up onto the longeron from underneath and bolts are
> run through. Not that that helps you much, since you have already covered
> your fuse.
>
> Have a good weekend,
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:27 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Everyone,
>>
>> I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground when
>> you need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at Brodhead.
>> Are you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the horizontal stab?
>> Those with only a skid, especially have to address this problem.
>> I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
>> forgot, and covered the fuse already.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL
>> Everything covered except the wing
>>
>>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
Greg and Jack
I put a handle as you described on my first Piet. It didn't work out
very well. The lifting force would bend the longereon a bit, so I
removed them. If you could find a way of supporting the handle it would
be a big help.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
I agree with Greg. I wish I had put a handle on my lower longerons.
The tail is fairly heavy, and reaching through the bird's nest of cables
just forward of the stabilizer is not easy. I would NOT pick it up by
the stabilizer, since nothing on the stabilizer ahead of the spar is
attached to the fuselage and you would be relying on the rib capstrips
to support the weight of the entire tail.
With a tailwheel which can go into full swivel, I find that I tend to
push mine around on the ground with the tail bracing wires where they
attach to the vertical fin. Not a very good solution, but handy.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:01 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
On NX18235 a handle is attached to the aft fuselage at the point where
the tailskid A-frame connects to the fuselage.
Grabbing the tailskid A-frame works just as well but I tend to get
tangled up in the elevator and rudder cables.
Installing a grab handle along the lower longeron about 3 feet forward
of the A-frame would have been useful.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground
when you need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at
Brodhead. Are you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the
horizontal stab? Those with only a skid, especially have to address this
problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
forgot, and covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| Subject: | Re: footnote in Pietenpol history |
Thank you, very well said.
Dick N.
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From: lnawms@yahoo.com
To: Pietlist
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: footnote in Pietenpol history
As I was reading a newly arrived aviation publication and
reviewing some posts on this site, I recalled when I was a new
enthusiast to the Pietenpol scene and the respect paid to Mr. Pietenpol
was of the highest order. It was common knowledge that Mr. Pietenpol
really, really, really disliked being called "Bernie"so, nobody ever
did. He was addressed and referred to as either Mr. Pietenpol or Bernard
and if anyone new came along and slipped up they either got the evil eye
or were politely informed of their infraction.
In this day of overall decline in innocence and trust, it sure
would be nice to hold on to at least a little scrap of honor for a man
who gave us the gift of building and flying something that hearkens back
to a much simpler and better time in America.
Please, no more "Bernie" for those of us who honor the man and
his airplane.
Thanks-
Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp
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Hi Dan,
-
When we were-in Oshkosh last year, we saw-in the unfinished Air Camper
inside-Pietenpol's hangar, a nice way to put a handle in the tail (photo
attached).- Maybe is to late for you, but can be useful to someone else.
-
Saludos
-
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
Glad to know I'm not the only one that lays awake at night second
guessing myself!
Ben Charvet
finishing up covering the fuselage, wings covered and painted
helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Everyone,
>
> I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground
> when you need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at
> Brodhead. Are you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the
> horizontal stab? Those with only a skid, especially have to address
> this problem.
> I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
> forgot, and covered the fuse already.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
> Everything covered except the wing
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
I have taken that same picture. It is where I got the idea to used those
fairleads for the rudder and eleveator cables hanging out the side of the
fuselage.
Rick
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:41 AM, santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.a
r
> wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> When we were in Oshkosh last year, we saw in the unfinished Air Camper
> inside Pietenpol's hangar, a nice way to put a handle in the tail (photo
> attached). Maybe is to late for you, but can be useful to someone else.
> Saludos
>
> Santiago
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
I pick it up by the tail wheel and move it around.Better still get the wife
to pick up the tail wheel and move it around. Just be careful she doesn't
have anything heavy in her hand when you tell her to do that for ya ;-D=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@
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to know I'm not the only one that lays awake at night second guessing mysel
f!=0A=0ABen Charvet=0Afinishing up covering the fuselage, wings covered and
painted=0A=0Ahelspersew@aol.com wrote:=0A> Everyone,=0A> =0A> I am curious
as to how you all move your tail around on the ground when you need to mov
e it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at Brodhead. Are you able to
pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the horizontal stab? Those with only a
skid, especially have to address this problem.=0A> I was lying in bed last
night thinking that if I need that handle, I forgot, and covered the fuse a
lready.=0A> =0A> Dan Helsper=0A> Poplar Grove, IL=0A> Everything covered ex
cept the wing=0A> =0A> ----------------------------------------------------
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Air Camper NX41CC has common hardware store door handles attached to the lo
wer longerons on both sides of the tail and I use the one on the port side
almost every time I move the airplane. See
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPG and the handle is vis
ible just aft of the roundel.
I maneuver the airplane in and out of the hangar with a home-made tailwheel
dolly=2C details at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.html . Such a
dolly could handle a tailskid as easily as it handles a tailwheel.
Harvey=2C if I asked my wife to grab the tailwheel of the Piet and move it
out of the hangar for me=2C I'd be eating vienna sausages and crackers and
sleeping out on the street tonight. Either that or she'd stuff me in the c
ockpit of my @#$%& airplane and the tailwheel along with it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Varnish for Fuse Interior |
Is any varnish acceptable for application to fuselage interiors?
I'll leaning toward Home Depot Urethane..
I know almost nothing about varnishing
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Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Varnish for Fuse Interior |
Andrew
You need to get hold of Rick Schreiber he is Mr coatings. Very knowledgeable and
can provide the material you need. I am using his finish and like it.
The good news is he's on the board and a Piet builder. I can provide you his contact
info off list
John
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From: Andrew M Eldredge
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: May 8, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish for Fuse Interior
Is any varnish acceptable for application to fuselage interiors?
I'll leaning toward Home Depot Urethane..
I know almost nothing about varnishing
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Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Varnish for Fuse Interior |
Andrew,
If you decide to go with urethane (as many have done), make sure you get
Exterior Grade Spar Urethane. In addition to sealing the wood against
moisture, it has UV blockers to help protect the wood against damage
from the sun's UV rays.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: footnote in Pietenpol history |
This is the least we can do to honor a man with such foresight and enthusiasm.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: lnawms@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 7:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: footnote in Pietenpol history
As I was reading a newly arrived aviation publication and reviewing some posts
on this site, I recalled when I was a new enthusiast to the Pietenpol scene and
the respect paid to Mr. Pietenpol was of the highest order. It was common knowledge
that Mr. Pietenpol really, really, really?disliked being called "Bernie"so,
nobody ever did.?He was addressed and referred to?as either Mr. Pietenpol
or Bernard and if anyone new came along and slipped up they either got the evil
eye or were politely informed of their infraction.
?
In this day of overall decline in innocence and trust, it sure would be nice to
hold on to at least a little scrap of honor?for a man who?gave us the gift?of
building and flying something that hearkens back to a much?simpler and better?time
in America.
?
Please, no more "Bernie" for those of us who honor the man and his airplane.
?
Thanks-
?
Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
I put an aluminum tube thru the fuselage ahead of the horizontal. It is
bolted with cover straps to the lower longerons. A shaved broom handle
is the pickup, and is then removed to my"big" storage compartment in the
turtle deck. Painted snap in caps cover the holes on each side of the
fuselage.---Jim Lagowski, NX221PT ( sometimes known as one Piet)
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground
when you need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at
Brodhead. Are you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the
horizontal stab? Those with only a skid, especially have to address this
problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I
forgot, and covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
I use a dolly like Oscar. It really works.----Jim lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Air Camper NX41CC has common hardware store door handles attached to
the lower longerons on both sides of the tail and I use the one on the
port side almost every time I move the airplane. See
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPG and the handle
is visible just aft of the roundel.
I maneuver the airplane in and out of the hangar with a home-made
tailwheel dolly, details at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.html
. Such a dolly could handle a tailskid as easily as it handles a
tailwheel.
Harvey, if I asked my wife to grab the tailwheel of the Piet and move
it out of the hangar for me, I'd be eating vienna sausages and crackers
and sleeping out on the street tonight. Either that or she'd stuff me
in the cockpit of my @#$%& airplane and the tailwheel along with it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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NICE!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski
Morrow
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
I put an aluminum tube thru the fuselage ahead of the horizontal. It is
bolted with cover straps to the lower longerons. A shaved broom handle is
the pickup, and is then removed to my"big" storage compartment in the turtle
deck. Painted snap in caps cover the holes on each side of the
fuselage.---Jim Lagowski, NX221PT ( sometimes known as one Piet)
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail handling
Everyone,
I am curious as to how you all move your tail around on the ground when you
need to move it. I have not seen any aft fuselage handles at Brodhead. Are
you able to pick-up the tail by grabbing on to the horizontal stab? Those
with only a skid, especially have to address this problem.
I was lying in bed last night thinking that if I need that handle, I forgot,
and covered the fuse already.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Everything covered except the wing
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| Subject: | Re: Tail handling |
The "A-Frame" for the tailwheel/skid makes a great handle. I pick up mine to move
it all the time. It is easier to move like that than it is to push the plane
with the tail down. Just reach down through the rudder and elevator cables.
The more you think about the basic design and how you might improve it, the more
weight you add! Build light! Have yet to talk to a Piet pilot that regrets
building too simple and too light.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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