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1. 01:16 AM - I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (rameses32)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (rameses32)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
4. 06:31 AM - fuel tank on ebay (Joe Czaplicki)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: fuel tank on ebay (amsafetyc@aol.com)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Darrel Jones)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (skellytown flyer)
8. 02:29 PM - Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (rameses32)
9. 02:39 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (rameses32)
10. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
11. 05:46 PM - high flight (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 06:57 PM - Re: high flight (K5YAC)
13. 07:21 PM - high altitudes in a Piet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
14. 07:52 PM - Re: high flight (Don Emch)
15. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: high flight (Graham Hansen)
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| Subject: | I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
It's a Holden 138ci 6 cylinder Grey Motor. 120 ft/lbs torque at 1400rpm, With
a bit of work I am confident I can get 65Hp at 2000 rpm and get its weight in
at 250lbs. I want to run direct drive. What are the opinions on this. I can get
a Model A engine, but since I am building it here in australia, I would really
love to power it with an Australian made powerplant. The grey motor has the
best torque figures at the rpm i was wanting, is the smallest, and the lightest
of all the straight sixes, Ford, Mopar, and Holden/Chevy.
CHarley
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones
memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would have
to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone
on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash
on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Charley
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
I would worry about getting Austrailian Dollars, They are printed upside down!
What is the homebuilt/experimental movement like in Austrailia? Is your country
pro aviation? seems like a great place to fly if it is affordable.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: rameses32 <rameses32@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans
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| Subject: | fuel tank on ebay |
I had just listed a fuel tank on ebay under 'fuel tank, experimental aircraft'.
It might be an answer to someone at that building stage.
JoeC
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank on ebay |
Joe
I need one what type is it?
John
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From: Joe Czaplicki
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: May 9, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank on ebay
I had just listed a fuel tank on ebay under 'fuel tank, experimental aircraft'.
It might be an answer to someone at that building stage.
JoeC
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
rameses32 wrote:
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> I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones
memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would
have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone
on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash
on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Charley
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Charlie,
You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
mailing cost is.
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes
me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and more from a car engine
is -I doubt they;re built for continuous duty at the figures.unless it's an
industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I would
expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I
am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed as far
as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able to
throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond
do not achive
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
It's rated HP is 75HP @ 4200rpm, but it's peak torque is at 1400rpm, thats why
I'm hoping, with a bit of cam rework, to get 60HP at 2000 Rpm.
CHarley
skellytown flyer wrote:
> I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes
me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and more from a car engine
is -I doubt they;re built for continuous duty at the figures.unless it's
an industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I would
expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here
I am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed as
far as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able to
throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond
do not achive
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
rameses32@yahoo.com is my email, thank you so much, this is greatly appreciated.
Charley
Darrel Jones wrote:
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memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would
have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone
on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the
cash on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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> You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
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> mailing cost is.
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> Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
As long as it is reasonable, using an Austrailian made engine is as good a reason
to make this work as any.
Blue skies
Steve D
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From: rameses32 <rameses32@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper
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> It's rated HP is 75HP @ 4200rpm, but it's peak torque is at 1400rpm, thats why
I'm hoping, with a bit of cam rework, to get 60HP at 2000 Rpm.
> CHarley
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> > I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that
makes me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and
> more from a car engine is -I doubt they;re built for continuous
> duty at the figures.unless it's an industrial engine that pulls
> the load in more or less full time service I would expect there to
> be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I am
> getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never
> designed as far as I know for continuous full power application.
> but I'd hope to be able to throttle it back some when at
> altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond do not achive
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I had a very strange feeling today=2C like nothing I've ever felt in an air
plane before. I took 41CC out on patrol but stopped for fuel first. No bi
g deal=3B it was just me and an aerial applicator at Castroville so I took
on my fuel quickly and headed out for Medina Lake=2C about 15 minutes away.
Flew out over the lake=2C then checked to see if my friend Norris was ove
r at River Ranch working on his Breezy (he wasn't). Then I headed northeas
t to take a picture at Freedom Springs. While flying back to my home base
I decided to climb to a couple of thousand feet. I put in full power and p
ut the airplane in a climb=2C which it did without complaint=2C and we leve
led off at 4000 MSL.
It was in level cruise at 4000'=2C the highest I've ever had the airplane
=2C that I felt a very strange uneasiness. I felt like we were up too high
! The ground was way down there=2C or so it seemed. I didn't feel like Ic
arus (who flew too close to the sun and melted his wings off)=2C but it was
a peculiar sensation. I've been over 10=2C000' in Cessna 150s=2C Tomahawk
s=2C and other small planes by myself so it wasn't the altitude... it was j
ust something about me and the Air Camper. I guess we belong down in our c
omfort zone... "low and slow forever".
BTW=2C on the way up to 4000' I did a power-on stall and found that the air
plane will hold attitude with power on down to 30 MPH and probably even slo
wer=2C but it was obvious that the angle of the pitot or the oncoming propw
ash (or both) made the ASI read erratically at anything less than about 32-
35 MPH indicated so who knows how slow it will fly with power but it's pret
ty slow.
Another 1.2 hrs. in 41CC=2C who is getting to be a very close friend and co
mpanion.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am soooo looking forward to flying
in mine (so far just a pile of wing ribs). I can somewhat imagine looking
down with my arm hanging over the side.
Thanks for the story.
--------
Mark
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| Subject: | high altitudes in a Piet |
Oscar-- I have the same sensation when flying my Piet above 2500-3,000 feet for
sure. There is something different about flying that 24" wide fuselage
up that high with all that open air around you. (not to mention that you have
to take an extra day's leave just to climb above 3,000 feet in a Piet)
Regarding the Bernie vs. Bernard comments, would it also be a dishonoring thing
to call a Piet a Piet instead of the formal Pietenpol then ? Also, who exactly
can be quoted that knew Bernard directly who could comment specifically that he
did or did not care for being called Bernie ? Many "well known" facts about
the Pietenpol turn out to be heresay and old wives tales that are started and just
passed along without thought or fact---just curious is all. One thing I
do
know is that Pietenpol was a very odd duck personality type--much like his followers
! (myself included:)
Mike C.
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Oscar (and Mike C.),
I can't agree with you more! I just do not like flying very high in my Piet.
It feels like I'm going to tip over! I know that sounds crazy, but that's how
it feels! I once found a hole in a broken layer and climbed up through it.
Once on top it was absolutely exhilarating. As I looked down through the holes
and could see the ground way down through there, I suddenly couldn't wait to
get down close to the ground again! It must go along with the fact that I just
can't stand heights. Go figure. Can hang out the side of my cockpit all day
long. Can hardly bring myself to hang Christmas lights on my gutters!
Low and Slow FOREVER!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Oscar &Mike C.,
I have had my Piet to about 4000' agl (approx. 6500' asl in this area). This
was in the early 1970's when I had an A65 in it, and it took a LONG TIME to
get up there. I have had a C85 in it since 1974, with a much better rate of
climb, but never again flew that high because it was just too darned lonely
and cold. I can't even imagine those fellows in WW1 flying Sopwith Pups
(about the size if a Pietenpol) at 18000' to 20000' on patrols. But Arthur
Gould Lee in his book, NO PARACHUTE, tells of doing just that!
Needless to say, the Pietenpol airplane is best suited to the lower levels.
"Low and slow" is the most fun, anyway.
I have yet to fly my Pietenpol this year because our weather has been simply
horrible. That situation, however, will soon be corrected.
Graham Hansen (CF-AUN in Alberta Canada)
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