---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/09/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:16 AM - I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (rameses32) 2. 04:07 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (rameses32) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 4. 06:31 AM - fuel tank on ebay (Joe Czaplicki) 5. 06:34 AM - Re: fuel tank on ebay (amsafetyc@aol.com) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Darrel Jones) 7. 10:00 AM - Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (skellytown flyer) 8. 02:29 PM - Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (rameses32) 9. 02:39 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (rameses32) 10. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 11. 05:46 PM - high flight (Oscar Zuniga) 12. 06:57 PM - Re: high flight (K5YAC) 13. 07:21 PM - high altitudes in a Piet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 07:52 PM - Re: high flight (Don Emch) 15. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: high flight (Graham Hansen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper From: "rameses32" It's a Holden 138ci 6 cylinder Grey Motor. 120 ft/lbs torque at 1400rpm, With a bit of work I am confident I can get 65Hp at 2000 rpm and get its weight in at 250lbs. I want to run direct drive. What are the opinions on this. I can get a Model A engine, but since I am building it here in australia, I would really love to power it with an Australian made powerplant. The grey motor has the best torque figures at the rpm i was wanting, is the smallest, and the lightest of all the straight sixes, Ford, Mopar, and Holden/Chevy. CHarley Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243232#243232 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans From: "rameses32" I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Charley Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243235#243235 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:28 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans I would worry about getting Austrailian Dollars, They are printed upside down! What is the homebuilt/experimental movement like in Austrailia? Is your country pro aviation? seems like a great place to fly if it is affordable. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: rameses32 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans > > I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, > of course I would have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure > how to pay you, unless someone on this board is willing to receive > money via Paypal, and then forward the cash on to you. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > Charley > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243235#243235 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:22 AM PST US From: Joe Czaplicki Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank on ebay I had just listed a fuel tank on ebay under 'fuel tank, experimental aircraft'. It might be an answer to someone at that building stage. JoeC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank on ebay From: amsafetyc@aol.com Joe I need one what type is it? John ------Original Message------ From: Joe Czaplicki Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: May 9, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank on ebay I had just listed a fuel tank on ebay under 'fuel tank, experimental aircraft'. It might be an answer to someone at that building stage. JoeC Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:14 AM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans rameses32 wrote: > > I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Charley > > > Charlie, You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the mailing cost is. Darrel ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper From: "skellytown flyer" I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and more from a car engine is -I doubt they;re built for continuous duty at the figures.unless it's an industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I would expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed as far as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able to throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond do not achive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243279#243279 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper From: "rameses32" It's rated HP is 75HP @ 4200rpm, but it's peak torque is at 1400rpm, thats why I'm hoping, with a bit of cam rework, to get 60HP at 2000 Rpm. CHarley skellytown flyer wrote: > I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and more from a car engine is -I doubt they;re built for continuous duty at the figures.unless it's an industrial engine that pulls the load in more or less full time service I would expect there to be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I am getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never designed as far as I know for continuous full power application. but I'd hope to be able to throttle it back some when at altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond do not achive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243304#243304 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans From: "rameses32" rameses32@yahoo.com is my email, thank you so much, this is greatly appreciated. Charley Darrel Jones wrote: > rameses32 wrote: > > > > > > > I too would love a copy of the Pfeifer plans, what a great way to keep someones memory alive. But the problem is I now live in Australia, of course I would have to pay more for shipping, but I'm not sure how to pay you, unless someone on this board is willing to receive money via Paypal, and then forward the cash on to you. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Charley > > > > > > > > > > > > Charlie, > > > > > You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply > with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the > mailing cost is. > > Darrel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243307#243307 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:32 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper As long as it is reasonable, using an Austrailian made engine is as good a reason to make this work as any. Blue skies Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: rameses32 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper > > It's rated HP is 75HP @ 4200rpm, but it's peak torque is at 1400rpm, thats why I'm hoping, with a bit of cam rework, to get 60HP at 2000 Rpm. > CHarley > > > > skellytown flyer wrote: > > I hope you find somebody that can answer your question-the only thing that makes me wonder about trying to get full rated horsepower and > more from a car engine is -I doubt they;re built for continuous > duty at the figures.unless it's an industrial engine that pulls > the load in more or less full time service I would expect there to > be problems getting rid of the heat at the least.but here I am > getting ready to fly behind a Corvair engine that was never > designed as far as I know for continuous full power application. > but I'd hope to be able to throttle it back some when at > altitude.if it is propped right.good luck.Raymond do not achive > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243304#243304 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:54 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: high flight I had a very strange feeling today=2C like nothing I've ever felt in an air plane before. I took 41CC out on patrol but stopped for fuel first. No bi g deal=3B it was just me and an aerial applicator at Castroville so I took on my fuel quickly and headed out for Medina Lake=2C about 15 minutes away. Flew out over the lake=2C then checked to see if my friend Norris was ove r at River Ranch working on his Breezy (he wasn't). Then I headed northeas t to take a picture at Freedom Springs. While flying back to my home base I decided to climb to a couple of thousand feet. I put in full power and p ut the airplane in a climb=2C which it did without complaint=2C and we leve led off at 4000 MSL. It was in level cruise at 4000'=2C the highest I've ever had the airplane =2C that I felt a very strange uneasiness. I felt like we were up too high ! The ground was way down there=2C or so it seemed. I didn't feel like Ic arus (who flew too close to the sun and melted his wings off)=2C but it was a peculiar sensation. I've been over 10=2C000' in Cessna 150s=2C Tomahawk s=2C and other small planes by myself so it wasn't the altitude... it was j ust something about me and the Air Camper. I guess we belong down in our c omfort zone... "low and slow forever". BTW=2C on the way up to 4000' I did a power-on stall and found that the air plane will hold attitude with power on down to 30 MPH and probably even slo wer=2C but it was obvious that the angle of the pitot or the oncoming propw ash (or both) made the ASI read erratically at anything less than about 32- 35 MPH indicated so who knows how slow it will fly with power but it's pret ty slow. Another 1.2 hrs. in 41CC=2C who is getting to be a very close friend and co mpanion. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: high flight From: "K5YAC" I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am soooo looking forward to flying in mine (so far just a pile of wing ribs). I can somewhat imagine looking down with my arm hanging over the side. Thanks for the story. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243334#243334 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:31 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: high altitudes in a Piet Oscar-- I have the same sensation when flying my Piet above 2500-3,000 feet for sure. There is something different about flying that 24" wide fuselage up that high with all that open air around you. (not to mention that you have to take an extra day's leave just to climb above 3,000 feet in a Piet) Regarding the Bernie vs. Bernard comments, would it also be a dishonoring thing to call a Piet a Piet instead of the formal Pietenpol then ? Also, who exactly can be quoted that knew Bernard directly who could comment specifically that he did or did not care for being called Bernie ? Many "well known" facts about the Pietenpol turn out to be heresay and old wives tales that are started and just passed along without thought or fact---just curious is all. One thing I do know is that Pietenpol was a very odd duck personality type--much like his followers ! (myself included:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: high flight From: "Don Emch" Oscar (and Mike C.), I can't agree with you more! I just do not like flying very high in my Piet. It feels like I'm going to tip over! I know that sounds crazy, but that's how it feels! I once found a hole in a broken layer and climbed up through it. Once on top it was absolutely exhilarating. As I looked down through the holes and could see the ground way down through there, I suddenly couldn't wait to get down close to the ground again! It must go along with the fact that I just can't stand heights. Go figure. Can hang out the side of my cockpit all day long. Can hardly bring myself to hang Christmas lights on my gutters! Low and Slow FOREVER! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243350#243350 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:13 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: high flight Oscar &Mike C., I have had my Piet to about 4000' agl (approx. 6500' asl in this area). This was in the early 1970's when I had an A65 in it, and it took a LONG TIME to get up there. I have had a C85 in it since 1974, with a much better rate of climb, but never again flew that high because it was just too darned lonely and cold. I can't even imagine those fellows in WW1 flying Sopwith Pups (about the size if a Pietenpol) at 18000' to 20000' on patrols. But Arthur Gould Lee in his book, NO PARACHUTE, tells of doing just that! Needless to say, the Pietenpol airplane is best suited to the lower levels. "Low and slow" is the most fun, anyway. I have yet to fly my Pietenpol this year because our weather has been simply horrible. That situation, however, will soon be corrected. Graham Hansen (CF-AUN in Alberta Canada) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.