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1. 05:08 AM - Walt-- rudder offset (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
2. 05:46 AM - Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (rameses32)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Will42)
4. 06:15 AM - respect, staying low, and ramblings in general (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (Owen Davies)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: rudder offset (Lagowski Morrow)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Darrel Jones)
8. 09:29 AM - Fiesta (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 09:53 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Will42)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: Fiesta (Owen Davies)
11. 10:32 AM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (Dan Yocum)
12. 12:42 PM - rudder offset (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 12:46 PM - Piet Ride? (TriScout)
14. 12:47 PM - Summer blows! (Michael Perez)
15. 01:14 PM - ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? (Jerry Dotson)
16. 01:14 PM - Re: Summer blows! (Jack Phillips)
17. 01:20 PM - Re: Piet Ride? (Jack Phillips)
18. 01:20 PM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (walt)
19. 01:38 PM - Re: Piet Ride? (Steve Ruse)
20. 01:38 PM - Re: Summer blows! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
21. 01:39 PM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (walt)
22. 02:03 PM - Re: Fiesta (walt)
23. 02:20 PM - Re: Summer blows! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 02:30 PM - Re: Fiesta (Bill Church)
25. 02:52 PM - Change to home email (Jack T. Textor)
26. 03:10 PM - latest OSH email from EAA (Oscar Zuniga)
27. 03:10 PM - Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 03:20 PM - Compared Weight to Model A engine (Jamie Stevens)
29. 04:04 PM - Re: Compared Weight to Model A engine (rameses32)
30. 06:44 PM - Re: Fiesta (walt)
31. 07:04 PM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (Dan Yocum)
32. 08:21 PM - Re: latest OSH email from EAA (Dick N.)
33. 10:53 PM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Walt-- rudder offset |
I totally agree with Walt Evans-there is no need for rudder offset if you r
ig your plane right and build in
offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony Bingelis
"flight test" notes of how to test
your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane from
how it flies with regard to ball
offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could very
well be an error in the rigging of
your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didn't true u
p quite perfectly.
After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my rudder
to get hands-off cruise for folding
charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights but
the tab only has the slightest of offset.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like the part (past
what I have done), and then calling everybody that has changed anything from
the plans "Dubious".
Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have seen, he was
constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he ever put a door in, or
built a three piece wing, used brakes? Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material,
did he ever build a steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice,
deeper fuselage, wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,
and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to make
improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout, but he didn't
say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.
Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I add three
feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that V-10 out of my Viper into
my Pietenpol and improve the...............
Charley
> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, should have their
right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air Camper, removed. If they want
to call it an "aircamper" (note lower case) that is fine but we all need to draw
the line somewhere, and this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates
too many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed
in this dubious category.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
[
Charlie,
[/quote]
You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
mailing cost is.
Darrel[/quote]
Darrel; I too would like to have the Pfeifer CD. I can Pay-pal if I had an e-mail
address or just send $5. if I had a street address. Thanks so much...........Will42
will@cctc.net
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| Subject: | respect, staying low, and ramblings in general |
I have found the cure for crabbiness. I pull the prop through six blades w
ith fuel on=2C throttle back=2C and ignition off. Then I switch on the ign
ition and spin the prop on the 65 and go fly. So far it has worked every t
ime I've tried it. I get a bonus when I make a good landing... besides not
being crabby=2C I actually walk away from the hangar whistling and pleased
with myself=2C and even though I will turn 58 in another two months=2C whe
n I fly my airplane I feel like I'm 16 or 18 and can do anything.
As for respect=2C the airplane and I have gotten nothing but respect from e
very person=2C young or old=2C who has seen us out flying or on the ramp.
Well=2C I guess I should back up and say that I didn't get respect when I b
ounced a landing=2C but that's OK. Or "no problem" =3Bo)
Keep building these fine old airplanes=2C and fly 'em if you've got 'em. I
hate it when I hear somebody say that they know of an old Piet that is sit
ting dusty in a hangar somewhere. They are a joy to fly and seem to spread
joy and interest wherever they go.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper |
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> From what I can find out about the engine, it is a 1.6 liter (1600cc)
> engine developing less than 60 HP at 5000 RPM but I am not at all sure
> of those numbers. If that is the case, then it is going to need a
> reduction drive and I believe the Piet that has flown with a Fiesta
> engine had a drive on it.
I saw one Piet with a Fiesta engine, a really lovely plane with the
sheet metal engine-turned and gold anodized. I don't remember seeing a
redrive, but very vaguely recall talking about it. (This was a long time
ago.) In any case, the prop was normal sized, not a little stick like
you'd see with a VW powerplant, so there pretty well has to have been a
reduction of some sort. Belt, if my memory is working.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: rudder offset |
I put in no offset and found I needed a bit of right rudder all the time.
Have put in a trim tab which will get checked out today--Jim lagowski,
NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder offset
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm doing the final install of my rudder and wanted to query the group
> about
> rudder offset of the lack of it that they use.
>
> I'd appreciate you flyers input about your experiences with various
> offsets
> so I can decide how much to put in.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
Will42 wrote:
>
> [
>
>
>
> Charlie,
> [/quote]
>
> You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply
> with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the
> mailing cost is.
>
> Darrel[/quote]
>
> Darrel; I too would like to have the Pfeifer CD. I can Pay-pal if I had an e-mail
address or just send $5. if I had a street address. Thanks so much...........Will42
will@cctc.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243694#243694
>
>
>
Reply with your mailing address and I'll get a cd in the mail.
Darrel
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There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking off at
Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall it had the gold/turned
cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen. It sounded like it was going
to
come apart on takeoff the rpm's were so high but he got off the ground....eventually.
As I recall the plane wasn't a performer but if you're out there Jim, please correct
me.
Auto engines just make me uncomfortable when used in an airplane but...they are
reasonable
in cost, but the price some seem to pay in the long run with headaches, heartaches,
and
troubles down the road just don't seem worth the savings. Still I have to say
I LOVE
hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is something
about that.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pfeifer Sport plans |
Reply with your mailing address and I'll get a cd in the mail. [/quote]
Darrel
My mailing address is
R W Howard
916 E Reynosa
De Leon TX 76444
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Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking off at
> Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall it had the gold/turned
> cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen.
>
That was the name! Can't recall where I saw him. Somewhere in New
Jersey, I think. Never saw it fly.
> Still I have to say I LOVE
> hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is something
about that.
You and me both! I don't plan to use one, and that decision pains me
every time I think of the sound.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Mike, Walt,
I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
What could be the cause, and the potential remedy, of the need to apply
continual right rudder on this plane in cruise flight? Can this be
fixed on a completed and flying Pietenpol?
Thanks, in advance,
Dan
PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a vested
interested in the proposed solution.
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if
> you rig your plane right and build in
>
> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>
> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
> from how it flies with regard to ball
>
> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
> very well be an error in the rigging of
>
> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt
> true up quite perfectly.
>
>
>
> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>
> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights
> but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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41CC has a fixed (bendable) metal trim tab on the rudder=2C which sounds li
ke a pretty common thing. See pic at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/PC240001.JPG
I cannot fly 41CC with feet flat on the floor in any operating regime but i
t also does not seem to require constant rudder bar pressure to keep the ba
ll centered in cruise flight=2C so I guess the trim tab works fine. The ru
dder just needs the normal pressure to keep the nose straight and the ball
caged on full-power roll and climb=2C which I do not even think about but j
ust do automatically.
I'm not sure how Corky and Edwin computed the required size and deflection
for the rudder trim tab on 41CC but it may have something to do with the sq
uare of the mean rotational force produced by the outer 1/3 of the propelle
r slipstream divided by the logarithmic average of the left and right tire
pressures (at sea level and standard temp./press.=2C of course)=2C correcte
d for the pilot's IQ and marital status.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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p.s. Just recently received my plans, rib jig ready, UPS Ground enroute w/wood.
. Larry
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Believe it or not, I am of the rare breed that prefers cold, snowy weather over
any other kind. The Pietenpol has even reinforced my winter liking because I
had all kinds of time to work on it. Now it is Spring, close to Summer here in
Ohio. I am now tasked with washing cars, cleaning windows, painting, staining
and fixing things around the house that have been neglected. Cutting grass, pulling
weeds, planting a garden... I now have less time to build and it bothers
me to no end! Oh and with the days getting longer, I can't come in because it
is "too dark out to do anything." I want Winter so I can get back to my building
my plane and producing DVDs! WHHAAAA!
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| Subject: | ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? |
I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners near Pensacola,
FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am
going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus
1 piece? I have room to build either way.
Jerry Dotson
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Finish your airplane and you'll have a whole new reason to enjoy summer.
And a new reason to hate winter.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Just took the RV-4 up for a quick flight - not the same as a Pietenpol, but
low and fast has its appeal too. Similar to that "Treetop Flyer" video that
someone (was it Walt?) put on the list last week (that was an RV-4 as well).
Just blasted over my neighbor's house while she was out washing her car -
200' and 200 mph indicated. FUN!
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Summer blows!
Believe it or not, I am of the rare breed that prefers cold, snowy weather
over any other kind. The Pietenpol has even reinforced my winter liking
because I had all kinds of time to work on it. Now it is Spring, close to
Summer here in Ohio. I am now tasked with washing cars, cleaning windows,
painting, staining and fixing things around the house that have been
neglected. Cutting grass, pulling weeds, planting a garden... I now have
less time to build and it bothers me to no end! Oh and with the days getting
longer, I can't come in because it is "too dark out to do anything." I want
Winter so I can get back to my building my plane and producing DVDs!
WHHAAAA!
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Larry, IF you make it to Brodhead, and IF I fly my Pietenpol there, I'll be
happy to give you a ride. You sound like the right size passenger. Of
course, I prefer passengers that are female, 5'7", 125 lbs, and 18 to 20
years old. The prettier the better.
You're a freight dog, aren't you? Do you ever fly into RDU? How about ROA?
My Piet is now based at Smith Mountain Lake, VA (W91) but I could easily fly
it to Roanoke (ROA) or Lynchburg (LYH) if you fly into either of those.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Ride?
there wouldn't mind company next time you crack out the ol' Piet, I'd be
glad to spring for the gas/oil, b-fast sometime for a ride. Feel free to
"PM" me, as they say. I'm 5'10" weighing in at 165#. I'm E. side of dallas.
(Zip 75043.. google map). Just a thought ..for builder motivational reasons.
p.s. Just recently received my plans, rib jig ready, UPS Ground enroute
w/wood. . Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Dan,
Things that come to mind are.......
Engine mount not made to print. This can be corrected by adding large flat
"fender" type washers between where the rubber mount meets the mount steel
"flange".
But if you need alot , you may have to slightly modify the cown in front,
where the prop shaft comes thru. I remember the engine has to point down
slightly, but forget if there's a side offset. If you're buying this plane,
and don't have prints, I can get the mount infro to you
Uneven "angle of attack" of both wings, including equal Wash-in and
Wash-out. Fairly easy to find. Put the plane on some Sawhorses, like you
were going to initially rig it. Perfectly level the fuse side to side. Shim
the back horse so that the rear center wing struts and front struts are
level front to back. This means the fuse will be angled down (as per
print).
With the wing root and center section now level in both directions. (use the
bottom of the wing, its easier)
Go to the wing tips, and see what you have. should be slightly down for
wash-in/out, But they must be EQUAL. If not, that's a problem. If made to
the original strut type the end bracket which goes inside the strut end and
is bolted to the wing brackets, would probably have to remade or the holes
on the flat part would have to be filled with weld and redrilled.
Not the end of the world. If so, the cables, if done to plans, would
probably have plenty of adjustment left in the turnbuckles.
This is probably the problem.
If it's flown, any of the two problems would be confirmed by looking at the
ball slip tube, if it has one. To correct , and fly straight with the
rudder, it would show up there
My Mentor always preached the importance of rigging a plane perfectly before
building struts and covering.
I've seen planes that looked great, but didn't fly right. Worst I've seen
(not a Piet) you could stand 50 in front of it and see the wings were not at
the same angle. Guess the builder didn't think it was that important.
When I fly hands off, I can peek my fingertips from behind the windsheild
and make a gentle left or right turn.
One side of the plane has to the exact mirror image of the other
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset
>
> Mike, Walt,
>
> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
> following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
>
> What could be the cause, and the potential remedy, of the need to apply
> continual right rudder on this plane in cruise flight? Can this be fixed
> on a completed and flying Pietenpol?
>
> Thanks, in advance,
> Dan
>
> PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a vested
> interested in the proposed solution.
>
>
> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if you
>> rig your plane right and build in
>>
>> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
>> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>>
>> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
>> from how it flies with regard to ball
>>
>> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
>> very well be an error in the rigging of
>>
>> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt true
>> up quite perfectly.
>>
>> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
>> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>>
>> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights
>> but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
>
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Larry,
I'm just up the road in Norman, OK. I used to be in the DFW
area...kept my Air Camper at Meacham for a few years. We're having a
fly-in up here this weekend, you are welcome to come up then or
anytime if you'd like. I'll gladly give you a ride if the weather is
right, and if I have my front-seat re-installed. It is out for some
work right now, but I hope to have it in this week.
You might even be able to hitch a ride up here with one of the pilots
from this site:
http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=5319
More information on the fly-in this Saturday(anyone is welcome to come):
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting TriScout <apfelcyber@yahoo.com>:
>
> To: Anyone w/in a couple hrs of Dallas/Ft Worth w/ a Piet. If anyone
> out there wouldn't mind company next time you crack out the ol'
> Piet, I'd be glad to spring for the gas/oil, b-fast sometime for a
> ride. Feel free to "PM" me, as they say. I'm 5'10" weighing in at
> 165#. I'm E. side of dallas. (Zip 75043.. google map). Just a
> thought ..for builder motivational reasons.
>
> p.s. Just recently received my plans, rib jig ready, UPS Ground
> enroute w/wood. . Larry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243764#243764
>
>
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Mike,
Once you're flying you'll start enjoying summer much more !
(and you'll have all winter to take care of chores, besides the obvious ones like
grass, etc)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Mike C.
I know that if my mind wanders on climbout,,(hope it doesn't remember to
find it's way home) and look at the tree tops etc, and look down and
find I have not enough right rudder in, when I kick it in I can hear the
engine "note" change and I climb faster.
PS everyone try getting your Piet "in step" .......flying along, don't
touch the throttle, push the nose down slightly, feel the increase of
speed, wind noise, airspeed. You think you're descending, but you're
not. Changes the angle of attack of the wing, Pulls that vacuum "bump"
tighter to the top of the wing. You'll see 5 to 10 mph increase in
speed, and you don't lose altitude.
Check it out. Trouble is, I have to actively think of it. If I start
looking at things, I revert back to the low and slow thing. Which is a
good thing.
Ain't Life Grand
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset
I totally agree with Walt Evans-there is no need for rudder offset if
you rig your plane right and build in
offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
Bingelis "flight test" notes of how to test
your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
from how it flies with regard to ball
offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could
very well be an error in the rigging of
your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didn't
true up quite perfectly.
After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country
flights but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
Mike C.
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Jim Malley is from NJ like me.
Seeing his Piet on the cover of a builder's mag. (can't remember which one)
Is what made me fall in love with the Pietenpols, and order the plans.
He used to monitor this site, hopefully he'll see this thread.
I still have the mag around here somewhere.
If I can find it and scan it, I will.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
>
> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>> There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking
>> off at Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall it
>> had the gold/turned
>> cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen.
>>
> That was the name! Can't recall where I saw him. Somewhere in New Jersey,
> I think. Never saw it fly.
>
>> Still I have to say I LOVE
>> hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is
>> something about that.
> You and me both! I don't plan to use one, and that decision pains me every
> time I think of the sound.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Summer blows! |
I have to agree with ya Mike, I can get 16 hours in on Saturday and Sunday
during the winter and 30 to 45 minutes a month in the summer to build my
Piet
John
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=Mayfooter51209NO115)
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I'm pretty sure this is the article Walt is referring to:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=44
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Change to home email |
All,
It's been busy at work, thank goodness, so I'm going to ask Matt to send
the emails to my home address, jack@textors.com. If anyone needs to get
a message to me fast use my work address jtextor@thepalmergroup.com.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | latest OSH email from EAA |
The latest email from EAA announcing the AirVenture fly-in features Dick Na
vratil's Rotec-powered Piet among the other attractions (such as White Knig
ht II=2C the newest Airbus=2C etc.). That airplane is getting to be an all
-time classic.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? |
You cant imagine how much of the work space evaporates when you start
building wings
John
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
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| Subject: | Compared Weight to Model A engine |
To the list>
I'm comparing engines to the weight of the Model A...
I'm building using the original BP Pietenpol plans...
first...what is the weight of the Model A...
Compared to the Jabiru 2200 85hp weight 140# complete (includes exhaust, carburetor,
starter motor, alternator and ignition system)
more power less weight...
anyone using the Jabiru 2200? any opinions?
Jamie Stevens
Whiteman Airport WHP
"fuselage, empannage and ribs done"
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| Subject: | Re: Compared Weight to Model A engine |
240lbs with cast iron head I believe, without radiator.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243799#243799
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RE: Pietenpol-List: FiestaBill C.
That's exactly the article, and mag.
Ain"t she a beaut?
I still have that mag around here somewhere.
Thanks Bill.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
I'm pretty sure this is the article Walt is referring to:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=44
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
Walt,
Thanks for the great info! When I fly out to see 'er I'll take a good
look at the wash-out of the wings and the cant of the engine.
Then again, I may not... the current owner, a freshly minted aerospace
engineer, picked this plane up from the previous owner who lost his
medical a few years ago. In the last year he has flown the proverbial
snot out of it - about 120 hours. Can you imagine?!?? Oh, to have that
kind of time on my hands, again. But, I digress... my point is, it's an
airplane that spends *a lot* of time in the air. If it flew badly, it
wouldn't be flying. At least, that's what I'm telling myself.
Thanks,
Dan
walt wrote:
>
> Dan,
> Things that come to mind are.......
> Engine mount not made to print. This can be corrected by adding large
> flat "fender" type washers between where the rubber mount meets the
> mount steel "flange".
> But if you need alot , you may have to slightly modify the cown in
> front, where the prop shaft comes thru. I remember the engine has to
> point down slightly, but forget if there's a side offset. If you're
> buying this plane, and don't have prints, I can get the mount infro to you
>
> Uneven "angle of attack" of both wings, including equal Wash-in and
> Wash-out. Fairly easy to find. Put the plane on some Sawhorses, like
> you were going to initially rig it. Perfectly level the fuse side to
> side. Shim the back horse so that the rear center wing struts and front
> struts are level front to back. This means the fuse will be angled down
> (as per print).
> With the wing root and center section now level in both directions. (use
> the bottom of the wing, its easier)
>
> Go to the wing tips, and see what you have. should be slightly down for
> wash-in/out, But they must be EQUAL. If not, that's a problem. If
> made to the original strut type the end bracket which goes inside the
> strut end and is bolted to the wing brackets, would probably have to
> remade or the holes on the flat part would have to be filled with weld
> and redrilled.
> Not the end of the world. If so, the cables, if done to plans, would
> probably have plenty of adjustment left in the turnbuckles.
> This is probably the problem.
> If it's flown, any of the two problems would be confirmed by looking at
> the ball slip tube, if it has one. To correct , and fly straight with
> the rudder, it would show up there
>
> My Mentor always preached the importance of rigging a plane perfectly
> before building struts and covering.
> I've seen planes that looked great, but didn't fly right. Worst I've
> seen (not a Piet) you could stand 50 in front of it and see the wings
> were not at the same angle. Guess the builder didn't think it was that
> important.
> When I fly hands off, I can peek my fingertips from behind the
> windsheild and make a gentle left or right turn.
> One side of the plane has to the exact mirror image of the other
>
>
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset
>
>
>>
>> Mike, Walt,
>>
>> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at
>> the following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
>>
>>
>> What could be the cause, and the potential remedy, of the need to
>> apply continual right rudder on this plane in cruise flight? Can this
>> be fixed on a completed and flying Pietenpol?
>>
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> Dan
>>
>> PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a
>> vested interested in the proposed solution.
>>
>>
>> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>>> I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if
>>> you rig your plane right and build in
>>>
>>> offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony
>>> Bingelis flight test notes of how to test
>>>
>>> your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane
>>> from how it flies with regard to ball
>>>
>>> offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder
>>> could very well be an error in the rigging of
>>>
>>> your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt
>>> true up quite perfectly.
>>>
>>> After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my
>>> rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding
>>>
>>> charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country
>>> flights but the tab only has the slightest of offset.
>>>
>>> Mike C.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: latest OSH email from EAA |
Thanks Oscar
I just also saw that ad in Aircraft owned magazine. I am really amazed
at the number of places that picture has been used. I was at Sun n Fun
last year and saw an Aircraft Spruce flyer with it on the face.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latest OSH email from EAA
The latest email from EAA announcing the AirVenture fly-in features
Dick Navratil's Rotec-powered Piet among the other attractions (such as
White Knight II, the newest Airbus, etc.). That airplane is getting to
be an all-time classic.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Walt-- rudder offset |
You didn't really think I could resist looking through
the rest of the pics did you?
So what's up with #182?? :-)
Clif
>
> Mike, Walt,
>
> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the
> following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754
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