---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/13/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:51 AM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (Dan Yocum) 3. 05:48 AM - Re: Summer blows! (Michael Perez) 4. 05:49 AM - Re: Summer blows! (Michael Perez) 5. 05:51 AM - Horizontal Stab diminsion question (Jim Quinn) 6. 06:57 AM - Re: Walt-- rudder offset (Pieti Lowell) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Piet Ride? (TriScout) 8. 07:59 AM - Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question (Catdesigns) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Piet Ride? (Andrew M Eldredge) 10. 10:47 AM - Re: latest OSH email from EAA (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 11:05 AM - Piet endurance (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 11:24 AM - Re: Compared Weight to Model A engine (Bill Church) 13. 11:27 AM - Re: Piet endurance (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 11:54 AM - plywood seats and John Recine (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 15. 11:58 AM - Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (womenfly2) 16. 12:15 PM - Re: plywood seats and John Recine (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 17. 12:39 PM - Re: plywood seats and John Recine (John Hofmann) 18. 01:09 PM - Lost papers of BHP- seat design (helspersew@aol.com) 19. 01:50 PM - Re: plywood seats and John Recine (gcardinal@comcast.net) 20. 01:52 PM - Re: Lost papers of BHP- seat design (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 21. 01:55 PM - Re: plywood seats and John Recine (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 22. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Piet Ride? (Jack Phillips) 23. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (Mac Zirges) 24. 09:12 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question (Jim Quinn) 25. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper (jorge lizarraga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? From: helspersew@aol.com Jerry, Addressing the one-piece wing: I have built, and am in the process of covering/painting the one-piece. I love it because of it's originality and simplicity. It does create handling problems because of space issues. I do have a large hangar, but you know how that goes....no matter how much space you have it always seems to get filled up with something. BUT overall I am glad I went with the one-piece, mostly because I am somewhat of a purist. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 3:13 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: ANY BUILDERS NEAR PENSACOLA? I am wanting to start a Pietenpol soon. Any builders or owners near Pensacola, FL?? I would buy a project if near me and all spruce and MIL-SPEC plywood. I am going with Continental power. Probably an O-200. What about 3 piece wing versus 1 piece? I have room to build either way. Jerry Dotson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243767#243767 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:27 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offset It looks like a picture of a picture - there's a signature on the top and wood frame on the left. If I recall correctly, that feature is in Arches National Park, Utah. Other than those observations, I know nothing about the picture. I asked the owner if the scenery in the rest of the pictures comes with the purchase of the plane. Apparently, only if I move out of the Midwest... Cheers, Dan Clif Dawson wrote: > > You didn't really think I could resist looking through > the rest of the pics did you? > > So what's up with #182?? :-) > > Clif > >> >> Mike, Walt, >> >> I'd like some more of your thoughts on this subject. Take a look at the >> following picture (try to ignore the Grand Canyon in the background): >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254282417937096754 >> > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:51 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Summer blows! You may be right Jack. I'll have to hurry this project up and find out. - For me, low at any speed is cool. I'll start with the slower Pietenpol for now and see what comes in the future. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:54 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Summer blows! Copy that John! Looks to be a loooong Summer... - - I have to agree with ya Mike, I can get 16 hours in on Saturday and Sunday during the winter and 30 to 45 minutes a month in the summer to build my Pi et - John - ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:56 AM PST US From: "Jim Quinn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal Stab diminsion question Are the side pieces on the hort. stab 1 x1 boards or 1 x 3/4? Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Walt-- rudder offset From: "Pieti Lowell" Dan, After clicking on your Grand Canyon photos , I was amazed at the great shots , 222 photos in all, what a tour !!!, The shot of the airplane shooting through the stone arch, is great. How many "lists" guys hit the arrows above the rudder shot to get a great trip in a Piet, By the way, check the rigging first, second, a tab on the rudder will help take your foot off the rudder. Either way you wont miss the great flights to come. Pieti Lowell PS. This picture is of the plane I'm planning to buy so I have a vested interested in the proposed solution. Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > I totally agree with Walt Evansthere is no need for rudder offset if > you rig your plane right and build in > > offset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony > Bingelis flight test notes of how to test > > your homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane > from how it flies with regard to ball > > offset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could > very well be an error in the rigging of > > your wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didnt > true up quite perfectly. > > > > After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my > rudder to get hands-off cruise for folding > > charts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights > but the tab only has the slightest of offset. > > > > Mike C. > > > > * > > > * > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243864#243864 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Ride? From: "TriScout" Thanks Steve, Jack for the replies.. I freight-dog it thru Dover mostly as of late, before heading over the pond w/quick layover usually, but thanks for your generosity Jack. And Steve, thanks as well. I'm kind of looking for something more local (w/in 2hrs drive) than Oklahoma, but I'm definately planning to slip into Brodhead this year, if I my sched permits. Mybe I can requisition a joy ride there :D p.s. I'm liking the Yellow Piet as well as Jacks. Thought I saw it on youtube before. My goal when I build mine is a 3-piec wing, 3/4 inch, unroutered simple spar, Conti-powered like both of yours, x-c ability (extra fuel), antique charm/gauges. I'm liking both the wooden and the cub style to the gear. Probably leaning toward Jack's gear for antique look. Otherwise, I'll plan to follow the rule of "keep in stupid, simple" Lar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243875#243875 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question From: "Catdesigns" Jim, this is how I did it http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Tail_Wood_Piece_Location.jpg Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243878#243878 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Ride? From: Andrew M Eldredge I think the Piet's main XC limitation is not the fuel tank, but rather the lack of a sufficiently soft chair. Andrew On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:50 AM, TriScout wrote: > > Thanks Steve, Jack for the replies.. > > I freight-dog it thru Dover mostly as of late, before heading over the pond > w/quick layover usually, but thanks for your generosity Jack. And Steve, > thanks as well. I'm kind of looking for something more local (w/in 2hrs > drive) than Oklahoma, but I'm definately planning to slip into Brodhead this > year, if I my sched permits. Mybe I can requisition a joy ride there :D > > p.s. > I'm liking the Yellow Piet as well as Jacks. Thought I saw it on youtube > before. My goal when I build mine is a 3-piec wing, 3/4 inch, unroutered > simple spar, Conti-powered like both of yours, x-c ability (extra fuel), > antique charm/gauges. I'm liking both the wooden and the cub style to the > gear. Probably leaning toward Jack's gear for antique look. Otherwise, I'll > plan to follow the rule of "keep in stupid, simple" > > Lar > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243875#243875 > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:50 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latest OSH email from EAA Dick, With as many times as I have see your Piet, I am certain that it is quickly becoming the identifying bird for the flock. You need to begin collecting royalty fees soon. Pictures do not do it justice. John **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet endurance From: helspersew@aol.com I have a wicker seat I laced. It seems comfortable enough on my trial sits, but time will tell how it will work in the field. I don't recall having seen anyone else with wicker on the seat part. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Compared Weight to Model A engine From: "Bill Church" In general, just about anything that makes the plane lighter is a good thing... However... in order to fly, your plane will need a weight and balance calculation, and with a lighter engine, you'll likely need a longer motor mount. The lighter the engine, the longer the mount. Something to think about. Just want to avoid looking something like this (an anteater comes to mind): ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Stevens Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Compared Weight to Model A engine To the list> I'm comparing engines to the weight of the Model A... I'm building using the original BP Pietenpol plans... first...what is the weight of the Model A... Compared to the Jabiru 2200 85hp weight 140# complete (includes exhaust, carburetor, starter motor, alternator and ignition system) more power less weight... anyone using the Jabiru 2200? any opinions? Jamie Stevens Whiteman Airport WHP "fuselage, empannage and ribs done" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:08 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet endurance Dan knowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's unpublished original extra secret comfort design seating You know I just couldn't help myself John **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:06 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine knowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's unpublished original extra secret comfort design seating You know I just couldn't help myself John You know folks, if you've never met John Recine in person be certain to avo id him at all costs if going to Brodhead. This guy will take you under, you'll end up in the Green County Courthouse by Saturday at noon. Here's a wanted poster in the making from a photo I took of John Hoffman and John last summer at Brodhead. Actually John's not a trouble maker at all and has a great sense of humor. (he certainly was gracious with us harassing him after just meeting him-ask John !) I'm not sure what various types of seat designs that Mr. Bernard H. Pietenp ol used on his 26 variants of the Pietenpol Air Camper (to include using a V-8 engine on one, tailwheel and radio on another and modern 1940's Cub engine on a few) but the plywood slab seats aren't too bad if you've got some natural padding. I'm sure the wicker is going to look nice Dan and if not mistaken don't you have cane inserts on one or both of your seats Greg Cardinal on your and Dale's Pietenpol ? PS-here's an additional tip about John Recine. Get in front of him durin g the Saturday night Brodhead pork chop dinner:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? From: "womenfly2" To add my 2-cents here. I would say it is NOT a Pietenpol if it deviates from the basic outline of the plan form that Bernie designed including all his various design iterations of the Piet too. Building materials does not matter, nor does how it is constructed but, changing the shape of the outline of any parts, i.e. wing, tail, fuselage, would fall into this " is NOT a Pietenpol" category. Cheers, Keri-Ann Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243910#243910 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:32 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine FYI, John R is the good looking one! **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:48 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine I resemble that remark! "If you carry my gas can into town, I'll give you a free lesson at the end of the day." To paraphrase Red Green: "If they can't find you handsome, at least they can find you handy." Do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On May 13, 2009, at 2:13 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > FYI, John R is the good looking one! > > > Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant > savings! > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost papers of BHP- seat design From: helspersew@aol.com John, How did you know about the lost papers of BHP describing the wicker seat design I followed? I must have let it leak out last year at Brodhead (after a few brewskis). Dan Heslper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:19 PM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine NX18235 has wicker on the seat backs only, not the seat. Stepping on the se at is the normal procedure for entering and exiting, not sure how the wicke r will hold up being stepped on. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:52:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine knowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's unpublished original extra secret comfort design seating=C2- You know I just couldn't help myself John You know folks, if you=99ve never met John Recine in person be certai n to avoid him at all costs if going to Brodhead.=C2-=C2- This guy will take you under, you=99ll end up in the Green County Courthouse by Sat urday at noon.=C2-=C2- Here=99s a wanted poster in the making fro m a photo I took of John Hoffman and John last summer at Brodhead.=C2-=C2-=C2- Actually John=99s not a trouble maker at all and has a great sense of humor. (he certainly was gracious with us harassing him after just meeting him =94ask John !)=C2-=C2- I=99m not sure what various types of seat designs that Mr. Bernard H. Pietenpol used on his 26 variants of the Pietenpol Air Camper (to include using a V-8 engine on one, tailwheel and radio on another and modern 1940 =99s Cub engine on a few) but the plywood slab seats aren=99t t oo bad if you=99ve got some natural padding.=C2-=C2- =C2-I =99m sure the wicker is going to look nice Dan and if not mistaken don =99t you have cane inserts on one or both of your seats Greg Cardinal on your and Dale=99s Pietenpo l ? PS=94here=99s an additional tip about John Recine.=C2-=C2- Get in=C2- front of him during the Saturday night Brodhead pork chop dinn er J Mike C. =C2- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:53 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost papers of BHP- seat design Geez Dan I always suspected you had them I just never thought you would go public with that info, now everyone is gonna know! They will be lined up at your door, having the lost papers is worse than being stuck with the da Vinci papers. Everyone wants to know what Bernard was thinking, Only a few can actually read Italian or care to read those papers My friend I suggest you get rid of them now before its too late. John **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:17 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recine I am certain Dan has already did the weigh comparisons between himself and Bernard having flown with Dan I can attest that he is of proper design size and weight. **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:10 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Ride? Mine has 2" thick temperfoam cushions with leather upholstery. I flew it 13 hours straight to get to Brodhead last year (with 4 stops for fuel). I would say the main XC limitation is its innate lack of speed. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew M Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Ride? I think the Piet's main XC limitation is not the fuel tank, but rather the lack of a sufficiently soft chair. Andrew On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:50 AM, TriScout wrote: Thanks Steve, Jack for the replies.. I freight-dog it thru Dover mostly as of late, before heading over the pond w/quick layover usually, but thanks for your generosity Jack. And Steve, thanks as well. I'm kind of looking for something more local (w/in 2hrs drive) than Oklahoma, but I'm definately planning to slip into Brodhead this year, if I my sched permits. Mybe I can requisition a joy ride there :D p.s. I'm liking the Yellow Piet as well as Jacks. Thought I saw it on youtube before. My goal when I build mine is a 3-piec wing, 3/4 inch, unroutered simple spar, Conti-powered like both of yours, x-c ability (extra fuel), antique charm/gauges. I'm liking both the wooden and the cub style to the gear. Probably leaning toward Jack's gear for antique look. Otherwise, I'll plan to follow the rule of "keep in stupid, simple" Lar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243875#243875 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:45 PM PST US From: "Mac Zirges" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper Jorge-- Many years ago, during the 1970's I think, a canadian named Ed Lubitz brought a Fiesta-powered Piet to Oshkosh several years in a row. It had a rubber cog-type belt drive to get prop RPM down while letting the engine spin up to rated horsepower for takeoff. It flew well and I personally measured several takeoffs comparable to a Piper Super Cub! It was a kick to watch since it seemed to levitate. He marketed plans for the belt drive for several years and I was going to use it on my Piet, but Fiestas are no longer available in the US and so I have gone back to the Ford A engine. Mac in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: jorge lizarraga To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper hello im build a piet in these moment and you take my attention can you telmy more about ford fiesta engines for piet tanks jorge --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Pieti Lowell wrote: From: Pieti Lowell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:39 PM My opinion would be, test stand proof. Prop pitch to turn 2400 RPM Remove all steel that is replaceable with Al.Pan, rocker cover etc. I think that is a vacuum pump under the fuel pump, got to go. Replace pulleys that are required with Al. Compare this engine to a Ford Fiesta, on a Piet flown from the East coast to Brodhead. The weight can be trimmed to be Pietenpol worthy, but I think it may be a bit shy on CIs. to haul 2 heavies on a warm day. It will be a smooth runner, at 2200 RPM. The spark advance must return to retard, or she will snap a finger or two, with the Ign. system I see, when hand started. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243421#243421 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12:00 AM ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:54 PM PST US From: "Jim Quinn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question Thanks Chris, that helps a ton! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horizontal Stab diminsion question > > Jim, this is how I did it > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Tail_Wood_Piece_Location.jpg > > Chris > > -------- > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243878#243878 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:11 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Aircamper tanks so mouch for the inform I tink comeng back too about another a65 or c orvier orso tanks again jorge --- On Mon, 1/1/90, Mac Zirges wrote: From: Mac Zirges Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in a n Aircamper Jorge-- Many years ago, during the 1970's I think, a canadian named Ed Lubitz broug ht a Fiesta-powered Piet to Oshkosh several years in a row.- It had a rub ber cog-type belt drive to get prop RPM down while letting the engine spin up to rated horsepower for takeoff.- It flew well and I personally measur ed several takeoffs comparable to a Piper Super Cub!- It was a kick to wa tch since it seemed to levitate.- He marketed plans for the belt drive fo r several years and I was going to use it on my Piet, but Fiestas are no lo nger available in the US and so I have gone back to the Ford A engine. - Mac in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: jorge lizarraga Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in a n Aircamper hello im build a piet in these moment and you take my attention can you tel my more about ford fiesta engines for piet tanks jorge --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Pieti Lowell wrote: From: Pieti Lowell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I am thinking about using this engine in an Ai rcamper My opinion would be, test stand proof. Prop pitch to turn 2400 RPM Remove all steel that is replaceable with Al.Pan, rocker cover etc. I think that is a vacuum pump under the fuel pump, got to go. Replace pulleys that are required with Al. Compare this engine to a Ford Fiesta, on a Piet flown from the East coast t o Brodhead. The weight can be trimmed to be Pietenpol worthy, but I think it may be a b it shy on CIs. to haul 2 heavies on a warm day. It will be a smooth runner, at 2200 RPM. The spark advance must return to retard, or she will snap a finger or two, with the Ign. system I see, when hand started. 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