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1. 04:43 AM - slab seats (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Michael Perez)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (TOM STINEMETZE)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (H RULE)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Bill Church)
8. 07:10 AM - My hanger got robbed the other night! (shad bell)
9. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Ryan Mueller)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
11. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Michael Perez)
12. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (TOM STINEMETZE)
13. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Ryan Mueller)
14. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 07:43 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
16. 07:43 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 07:43 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (Michael Perez)
18. 07:47 AM - from the FAA's viewpoint (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Jeff Boatright)
20. 08:15 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (shad bell)
21. 08:16 AM - Re: from the FAA's viewpoint (Michael Perez)
22. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: piet mods- How much is too much? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
23. 08:24 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 09:07 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (H RULE)
25. 09:11 AM - serial numbers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
26. 10:30 AM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (Dave Abramson)
27. 12:05 PM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (ALAN LYSCARS)
28. 12:30 PM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (walt)
29. 12:44 PM - Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 02:40 PM - Re: serial numbers (walt)
31. 03:43 PM - Re: Fiesta (Jim Malley)
32. 07:25 PM - thank you Jim Malley ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
33. 07:50 PM - Re: Fiesta (Jack)
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The main drawback of the slab seat is being flat, it doesn't distribute the
pressure evenly, thereby creating pressure points over time. A gentle
contour, when when covered with some foam would distribute the pressure more
evenly and increase comfort considerably.
I cut an oval shaped hole in the seat and put two layers of fiberglass
forming a shallow bowl. Didn't add any weight, is at least as strong, drops
me down in the cockpit an inch or two (smaller windscreens) and is much more
comfy during those long XC flights around my workshop making airplane
noises.
Only drawback so far is I've had to put a bend in the tube going to the
front stick to avoid it.
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
My last thought on this subject is this: I am not convinced that completely
re guarding a plane as a "Non-Pietenpol" just because of some modification
s is a good idea. My plane will have lots of small mods, most of which will
never be seen/noticed when covered. (The leading edge will look like all o
thers, although my method/design under the fabric is not from the prints.)
Some mods will jump right out at you. But, to not call is a Pietenpol takes
due credit away from the Pietenpol family. I mean, the plans are 100% Piet
enpol. Even if the plane itself turns out to be 50% authentic, that other 5
0% belongs to Pietenpol...that is where it all starts. I just feel there sh
ould be some credit given there. To disreguard it outright I don't agree wi
th.
-
So, as I said, mine is a Pietenpol Air Camper with modifications. A "Pereze
npol", if you will.
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
One possible reason to call your creation something slightly different
than a "Pietenpol" is to protect the name of the original designer. So if
you make a wing out of cardboard but it still looks the same - whose fault
is it if it fails in flight. I would hate to see Bernard (not "Bernie"
mind you) get blamed for some stupid mistake that I make. So - "Stinemetze
Air Camper" is a good possibility for registration purposes but it will
be a "Pietenpol Air Camper" to anyone who talks to me out on the ramp.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
You can contact Dan to see if your modifications can be found in his only
existing copy of the missing Bernard H. Pietenpol lost papers. Dan is a
really righteous kinda guy who may do the research and either grant you an
exemption or absolution which opens the door to many modifications. I will warn
you though, you have to catch him just right or its vengeance time for you
my friend.
Just a suggestion in your quest for acceptance, without it your designs
could be shunned by all the other Piets attending Brodhead. Those Piets on
the pedigree line at Brodhead can be viscous, especially when no one is
looking.
John
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
"Stinemetze Air Camper
I agree in principal, however I don't really want to name mine a
"Stinemetze Air Camper.
John
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
Theres the Pietenpol A model and B model and C model and D model and E model;are
we up to Z yet ;-)
________________________________
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:17:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
My last thought on this subject is this: I am not convinced that completely re
guarding a plane as a "Non-Pietenpol" just because of some modifications is a
good idea. My plane will have lots of small mods, most of which will never be
seen/noticed when covered. (The leading edge will look like all others, although
my method/design under the fabric is not from the prints.) Some mods will jump
right out at you. But, to not call is a Pietenpol takes due credit away from
the Pietenpol family. I mean, the plans are 100% Pietenpol. Even if the plane
itself turns out to be 50% authentic, that other 50% belongs to Pietenpol...that
is where it all starts. I just feel there should be some credit given there.
To disreguard it outright I don't agree with.
So, as I said, mine is a Pietenpol Air Camper with modifications. A "Perezenpol",
if you will.
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
Good one, John.
That's funny.
Your comment about the "Piets on the pedigree line at Brodhead can be
viscous" surprised me, though. I've touched a few of them, and never
found any of them to be sticky.
Bill C.
as if it wasn't obvious... DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
"Stinemetze Air Camper
I agree in principal, however I don't really want to name mine a
"Stinemetze Air Camper.
John
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| Subject: | My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Guys, Bad news from the home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^ broke into my
hanger last night and stole every power tool I had.- A band saw, drill p
ress chain saw, miter saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a bunch more.- If a
ny of you see any great deals on some craftsman power tools, or a delta ben
ch top band saw in the Ohio area please let me know.- I would love to bur
n the S.O.B.- that broke into my home while I was asleep, 150 ft away.-
The good news is the-Piet looks-untouched, as do my hand tools, and my
jungster project in the shop.- Into each life a little rain must fall...
......but I am starting to think I need a boat.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
Tom,
I wouldn't worry. If you make your wing out of cardboard, or in some other
fashion construct a weak and unairworthy aircraft, AND manage to get an
airworthiness certificate, Bernard won't be blamed if you come falling out
of the sky. After the FAA gets done picking through the wreckage and
determines that the aircraft was not properly constructed the blame would
fall on your shoulders as the builder, and quite possibly the DAR that
signed off on it.
If you build the aircraft correctly and safely and there is some inherent
flaw in the design that leads to a problem, that would be a different story.
However, I don't think you need to worry much about that. 80 years of
testing should have pretty well eliminated any kinks by now.
We'll call ours a Pietenpol Air Camper, as those are the plans we are
building from. If somone takes issue with the name because it is not close
enough to the original design, I really don't care. There are far more
productive things to concern myself with than what YOU (you in the larger
sense, not you specifically Tom) think my airplane should be called. :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:41 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *One possible reason to call your creation something slightly different
> than a "Pietenpol" is to protect the name of the original designer. So if
> you make a wing out of cardboard but it still looks the same - whose fault
> is it if it fails in flight. I would hate to see Bernard (not "Bernie" mind
> you) get blamed for some stupid mistake that I make. So - "Stinemetze Air
> Camper" is a good possibility for registration purposes but it will be a
> "Pietenpol Air Camper" to anyone who talks to me out on the ramp.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
sorry to hear Shad. I have followed your Pietenpol news on the list. Maybe
the cops will find them?....
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
It's a grey area for sure...where to draw the line. If some one built their
plane to 100%accuracycy, say as to the original Pietenpol, but registered
it and called to to all who asked anything other then-a Pietenpol Air Cam
per, is it NOT a Pietenpol?-
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
>>don't really want to name mine a "Stinemetze Air Camper.
>>John
I completely understand. There are precious few people out there who can
correctly
spell "Stinemetze" three times in a row. Yours could be an "Air Camper
John" or something.
(Humm, on second thought - probably not.)
Stinemetze
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
Depends on the time of day, Bill. Things tend to get a bit more gooey in the
hot afternoon sun....
do not archive
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> Good one, John.
> That's funny.
>
> Your comment about the "Piets on the pedigree line at Brodhead can be
> viscous" surprised me, though. I've touched a few of them, and never found
> any of them to be sticky.
>
> Bill C.
>
> as if it wasn't obvious... DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> AMsafetyC@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:52 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
>
> "Stinemetze Air Camper
>
> I agree in principal, however I don't really want to name mine a *"Stinemetze
> Air Camper.*
> **
> *John*
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
ya gotched me there!
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:10:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes:
.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.
==============================
No Shad, you need an alarm system, night vision goggles and the weapon(s)
of your choice, if within the city limits I'd suggest a nice compound
crossbow.
Go to Sears and ask if you can have the boxes a lot of big power tools
come in, leave them out at the curb the day before trash day so plenty of
people see them.
If you turn the other cheek you may have self abuse issues.
Then get a boat so you can enjoy sunsets and chuckle about the time....
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad,
We can only hope they show up on Craig's list or E bay although I would
prefer to see them in the news, tool thief gets fingers cut off by angry saw!
I doubt anyone would take them to use them for anything other than
converting them to quick cash. It may even be someone you know and have trusted
Shad I am sorry to hear that someone would do that to you or anyone else,
you know the perp may be closer than you think. They had to know you had
tools there to take. People don't just break into a hangar hoping to find
something, the break in to take your stuff and its always better to know what's
there for the taking before committing the crime.
John
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad, I'll keep an eye out for ya. I'm up near the Cleveland area.
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| Subject: | from the FAA's viewpoint |
We can name our planes anything we want as far as model goes but the manufa
cturer (by signed
affidavit required by the FAA saying you built it) is always the PERSON who
built it.
This whole topic of when to/not to call a Pietenpol a Pietenpol is a farse
because it's just like trying to nail down
jello. There is no black and white answer-everything is opinion and emoti
on when you discuss something like
this.
Bottom line ? Have fun, build, learn, enjoy, fly, and share-no matter wha
t mods you incorporate or what you call it.
Enjoy the good stuff about Pietenpols and don't let the rest of this suck t
he life out of anyone.
Mike C.
N-number : N48MC
Aircraft Serial Number : 189
Aircraft Manufacturer : CUY MICHAEL D
Model : PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER<http://www9.landings.
com/cgi-bin/nph-search_ac?pass=127100075&pattern1=05605C0&fld_nr1=0>
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : A&C65 SERIES<http://www9.landings.com/cgi-
bin/nph-search_eng?pass=127100075&pattern1=17003&fld_nr1=0>
Aircraft Year : 1998
Owner Name : CUY MICHAEL D
Owner Address : 298 RUNN ST
BEREA, OH, 44017-1854
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 28-Oct-1997
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
This reminds me of the time a friend of mine was trying to figure out
what car to buy. He'd finally reached a point in life where he could
lash out and buy as sportscar (kids taken care of, he and his wife
had jobs they loved, they both had saved for this and were excited,
etc.). For some reason, he got hung up on what defines a "sportscar."
Knowing that I'd owned several things like Healeys, MB 23-16Vs, etc,
he asked me "What makes a car as sportscarI?". I thought for a while
and came up with: "A sportscar is whatever kind of car that makes you
feel "sporty" when you drive it. And "sporty" is completely up to
you."
In the same sense, a Pietenpol is whatever kind of plane that makes
you feel like you're flying a Pietenpol when you fly it. This feeling
could be wrapped up in nostalgia, could be the extreme happiness
afforded by an evening flight, could be a philosophy of "simplicate"
in building, or maybe it's the clubbiness of being involved with this
email list. I'm sure Oscar could express it better.
So for me, when someone pulls up to the pump in something that
vaguely resembles a Pietenpol, and they get out of the plane with a
big smile on their face and refer to their plane as a Pietenpol,
well, that's good enough for me.
>
>Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like
>the part (past what I have done), and then calling everybody that
>has changed anything from the plans "Dubious".
>
>Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have
>seen, he was constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he
>ever put a door in, or built a three piece wing, used brakes?
>Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material, did he ever build a
>steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice, deeper fuselage,
>wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,
>and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to
>make improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout,
>but he didn't say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.
>
>Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I
>add three feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that
>V-10 out of my Viper into my Pietenpol and improve the...............
>
>
>Charley
>
>
>> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods,
>>should have their right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air
>>Camper, removed. If they want to call it an "aircamper" (note lower
>>case) that is fine but we all need to draw the line somewhere, and
>>this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates too many
>>changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in
>>this dubious category.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL
>>
>>
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243693#243693
>
>
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
John, thats the scarry part, they probably used flash lights, and a look ou
t.- They were kind of picky in what they took.- I had a 90 degree threa
ded bit air drill (aircraft drill) and they left it after knocking it on th
e floor.- Did not take my cordless tools because the batts were not in th
em.- I can't think of any one who I know who would do this, but like you
said they knew I had it some how.- The other part is that they had to nav
igate around 2 tractors, air hose on the floor and not smack there head on
the wing of the piet, which is where they carried a 30lbs miter saw under t
he wing, to get it out.- I would love to find them and fill em up with bu
ck shot, or tie em up and cut there limbs off with the chain saw they stole
.
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: from the FAA's viewpoint |
Mike, how did you come up with a serial number for a home built experimental?
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| Subject: | Re: piet mods- How much is too much? |
My 65 Mustang was a sportscar. But it had the straight 6 with a three speed. It
would certainly not outrun much of anything with a V8 but it sure was fun to
drive. I sold it to buy a new prop for my Vtail.
"It is more fun to ride a slow motorcyle fast than a fast motorcycle slow."
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
> This reminds me of the time a friend of mine was trying to figure
> out
> what car to buy. He'd finally reached a point in life where he
> could
> lash out and buy as sportscar (kids taken care of, he and his wife
> had jobs they loved, they both had saved for this and were
> excited,
> etc.). For some reason, he got hung up on what defines a
> "sportscar."
> Knowing that I'd owned several things like Healeys, MB 23-16Vs,
> etc,
> he asked me "What makes a car as sportscarI?". I thought for a
> while
> and came up with: "A sportscar is whatever kind of car that makes
> you
> feel "sporty" when you drive it. And "sporty" is completely up to
> you."
>
> In the same sense, a Pietenpol is whatever kind of plane that
> makes
> you feel like you're flying a Pietenpol when you fly it. This
> feeling
> could be wrapped up in nostalgia, could be the extreme happiness
> afforded by an evening flight, could be a philosophy of
> "simplicate"
> in building, or maybe it's the clubbiness of being involved with
> this
> email list. I'm sure Oscar could express it better.
>
> So for me, when someone pulls up to the pump in something that
> vaguely resembles a Pietenpol, and they get out of the plane with
> a
> big smile on their face and refer to their plane as a Pietenpol,
> well, that's good enough for me.
>
> >
> >Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like
> >the part (past what I have done), and then calling everybody that
> >has changed anything from the plans "Dubious".
> >
> >Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have
> >seen, he was constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he
> >ever put a door in, or built a three piece wing, used brakes?
> >Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material, did he ever build a
> >steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice, deeper fuselage,
> >wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,
> >and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to
> >make improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout,
> >but he didn't say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.
> >
> >Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I
> >add three feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that
> >V-10 out of my Viper into my Pietenpol and improve the...............
> >
> >
> >Charley
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods,
> >>should have their right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air
> >>Camper, removed. If they want to call it an "aircamper" (note lower
> >>case) that is fine but we all need to draw the line somewhere, and
> >>this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates too many
> >>changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in
> >>this dubious category.
> >>
> >> Dan Helsper
> >> Poplar Grove, IL
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243693#243693
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad,
Only 3 people would do that to ya, someone unemployed and against the
ropes, a scumbag and a druggie looking for a fast score. If it were dumb kids
they would have not been as selective or would have tried to take everything
if they couldn't find cash, electronics, jewelry kool stuff or easily
converted to cash.
These guys, knew the layout, location, your location and easily sold items.
John
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
That's a real shame and I'll bet the cops are right on top of that one!They
won't do bugger all unless it is one of their own that it happened to and
then God help ya.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0AFrom: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04:00 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol
-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!=0A=0A=0AGuys, Bad news from th
e home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^ broke into my hanger last night and
stole every power tool I had.- A band saw, drill press chain saw, miter
saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a bunch more.- If any of you see any grea
t deals on some craftsman power tools, or a delta bench top band saw in the
Ohio area please let me know.- I would love to burn the S.O.B.- that b
roke into my home while I was asleep, 150 ft away.- The good news is the
-Piet looks-untouched, as do my hand tools, and my jungster project in
the shop.- Into each life a little rain must fall.........but I am starti
=======
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Serial numbers for Pietenpols are arbitrary so I just wrote down the number
that Donald Pietenpol jotted down
on my set of plans. Not sure if other homebuilts (like RV-4's, etc) have
realistic suggestions or serial numbers but
others on the list could chime in I'm sure.
Regarding naming your model when you apply to the FAA you could call it any
thing you want. A Whoopdie Doo Special,
or something really stupid like Butterfly Wings or whatever you're heart de
sires-we don't have to call our planes
Pietenpol Air Campers or GN-1 Grega Aircampers at all. (but it helps when
you want to prove that the design is at
least 30 years old so it grants you the legal right to do away with the big
billboard EXPERIMENTAL bumper sticker
ala Oscar Z.'s nice article in the BPAN paper newsletter.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Hey Shad,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune!!! This happened to someone on the MG chat
list...... he put the word out..... we all watched e-bay.....
started to see some of the car parts he described...... Called the police ,
set up the purchase, and BUSTED!!! It was perfect!
Could be a bit harder with power tools.... unless they are marked in such a
way that you can ID them....
best Regards,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
John, thats the scarry part, they probably used flash lights, and a
look out. They were kind of picky in what they took. I had a 90 degree
threaded bit air drill (aircraft drill) and they left it after knocking it
on the floor. Did not take my cordless tools because the batts were not in
them. I can't think of any one who I know who would do this, but like you
said they knew I had it some how. The other part is that they had to
navigate around 2 tractors, air hose on the floor and not smack there head
on the wing of the piet, which is where they carried a 30lbs miter saw under
the wing, to get it out. I would love to find them and fill em up with buck
shot, or tie em up and cut there limbs off with the chain saw they stole.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad..
This ain't a little rain, it's monsoon in my book. Hope you get your
stuff back; if not, you find an opportunity to stuff something (sounds
like Ted) into the thieves' back.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Guys, Bad news from the home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^
broke into my hanger last night and stole every power tool I had. A
band saw, drill press chain saw, miter saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a
bunch more. If any of you see any great deals on some craftsman power
tools, or a delta bench top band saw in the Ohio area please let me
know. I would love to burn the S.O.B. that broke into my home while I
was asleep, 150 ft away. The good news is the Piet looks untouched, as
do my hand tools, and my jungster project in the shop. Into each life a
little rain must fall.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Shad,
>From what I understand, any theft or damage on or around airplanes is a
federal offence.
I'd call the FAA and ask. Get the Feds on their ass
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Guys, Bad news from the home base, some rotten piece of @$%#^
broke into my hanger last night and stole every power tool I had. A
band saw, drill press chain saw, miter saw, jig saw, circular saw, and a
bunch more. If any of you see any great deals on some craftsman power
tools, or a delta bench top band saw in the Ohio area please let me
know. I would love to burn the S.O.B. that broke into my home while I
was asleep, 150 ft away. The good news is the Piet looks untouched, as
do my hand tools, and my jungster project in the shop. Into each life a
little rain must fall.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: My hanger got robbed the other night! |
Sounds like it needs to be reported to your homeowners insurance agent,
hangar is an extension of your home I would suspect
John
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| Subject: | Re: serial numbers |
Yeah,
I used # 737678. My three kids birth years
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: serial numbers
Serial numbers for Pietenpols are arbitrary so I just wrote down the
number that Donald Pietenpol jotted down
on my set of plans. Not sure if other homebuilts (like RV-4's, etc)
have realistic suggestions or serial numbers but
others on the list could chime in I'm sure.
Regarding naming your model when you apply to the FAA you could call
it anything you want. A Whoopdie Doo Special,
or something really stupid like Butterfly Wings or whatever you're
heart desires-we don't have to call our planes
Pietenpol Air Campers or GN-1 Grega Aircampers at all. (but it helps
when you want to prove that the design is at
least 30 years old so it grants you the legal right to do away with
the big billboard EXPERIMENTAL bumper sticker
ala Oscar Z.'s nice article in the BPAN paper newsletter.
Mike C.
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The Fiesta is a 1600 cc engine rated at about 60 hp, but I think it put out
more noise than power. It does have a belt drive, about 2 and a half to one.
The conversion design was done by Ed Lubitz of Ontario. He had another
design for the Escort which is 1900 cc and rated at over 90 hp.
The Fiesta weighs about the same as a Ford A and I built the fuselage with
that in mind moving rear seat back 2 inches for leg room. The balance came
out on the mark, with the cabane struts vertical, but the weight, at 815
empty is on the plump side. Then again, with all the little goodies, I could
fly down the Hudson River at night with a 200 pound passenger. And at under
3 gallons of autogas per hour, it was never a strain.
Grace and I made the trip to Brodhead/Oshkosh twice - 20 hours out, 18 back.
Had it up to 6100 feet once (felt like it was going to tip over) and though
the wing could continue to climb, the engine belched black smoke, reduced
power and overheated with every attempt to nose it upward.
I had just under 700 hours on the plane and engine over a period of 12 years
when I ran it into a 3 foot ditch. Most of the repairs have been made but I
doubt making the 80th this year.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
>
> Jim Malley is from NJ like me.
> Seeing his Piet on the cover of a builder's mag. (can't remember which
> one) Is what made me fall in love with the Pietenpols, and order the
> plans.
> He used to monitor this site, hopefully he'll see this thread.
> I still have the mag around here somewhere.
> If I can find it and scan it, I will.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta
>
>
>>
>> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>>> There is a gent in my video by the name of Jim Malley who I show taking
>>> off at Brodhead with a Pietenpol that is Fiesta powered. As I recall
>>> it had the gold/turned
>>> cowling burnishing that you're talking about Owen.
>>>
>> That was the name! Can't recall where I saw him. Somewhere in New Jersey,
>> I think. Never saw it fly.
>>
>>> Still I have to say I LOVE
>>> hearing the Model A powered Piets flying overhead at Brodhead--there is
>>> something about that.
>> You and me both! I don't plan to use one, and that decision pains me
>> every time I think of the sound.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | thank you Jim Malley ! |
Great post Jim and GREAT that you're on the list and we got the info straight from
you on your
engine, performance, and flights. I'm glad to hear that you still have your airplane
and that you'll
have it flying again sometime, even if not in Wisconsin this summer--just glad
to hear you're out there,
you're listening, and you'll be flying again someday !
Mike C. in Ohio
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Jim,
So good to hear from you! Your Pietenpol was my inspiration to get started
building, what a beautiful aircraft! Hope your repairs and flights go well.
Thank you so much Jim!
Jack
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