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1. 12:12 AM - cabane length (carson)
2. 03:38 AM - Re: cabane length (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:58 AM - Re: cabane length (gcardinal)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: cabane length (Ryan Mueller)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: cabane length (Jack Phillips)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: cabane length (skellytown flyer)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: Buckeye Piets and Pietple (shad bell)
8. 08:23 AM - rudder cables (Gary Boothe)
9. 09:22 AM - cabane length (Tim Willis)
10. 09:28 AM - Fiesta-powered Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 10:34 AM - Re: Gary Boothe T-craft (Darrel Jones)
12. 11:17 AM - Re: rudder cables (helspersew@aol.com)
13. 12:33 PM - Re: Fiesta-powered Piet (Bill Church)
14. 02:15 PM - Re: cabane length (carson)
15. 04:21 PM - Re: rudder cables (Gary Boothe)
16. 04:22 PM - Re: Fiesta-powered Piet (walt)
17. 06:37 PM - Re: rudder cables it's done (shad bell)
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Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Re: cabane length |
Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra long
will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I don't
like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1" longer
is OK, but no more.
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From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Re: cabane length |
Carson,
The cabanes on NX18235 are two inches longer than plans. The change in
appearance isn't significant and it is relatively easy to get in and out.
See attached.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
>
> Hi all
> Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
> Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
> Thanks
> Carson
>
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Subject: | Re: cabane length |
Dan,
I think you may have to issue a posthumous violation to Bernard Pietenpol,
and retroactively rescind his right to call at least two of his aircraft
"Pietenpol Air Campers". If memory serves me correctly, the cabanes on both
N7533U and N899H are at least two inches longer than plans; N7533U might
have even been 4" at one point. If this is the case, he clearly violated his
own standards..... ;)
Ryan
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:36 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Carson,
>
> I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
> long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
> don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove IL
>
> P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
> longer is OK, but no more.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
>
>
> Hi all
> Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
> Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
> Thanks
> Carson
>
>
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Bernard would never do such a thing. Bernie might have done it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Dan,
I think you may have to issue a posthumous violation to Bernard Pietenpol,
and retroactively rescind his right to call at least two of his aircraft
"Pietenpol Air Campers". If memory serves me correctly, the cabanes on both
N7533U and N899H are at least two inches longer than plans; N7533U might
have even been 4" at one point. If this is the case, he clearly violated his
own standards..... ;)
Ryan
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:36 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
longer is OK, but no more.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Re: cabane length |
I am sure D.J. told me he made the ones on mine longer.but then it is the dreaded
GN-1 so who knows what I'll end up with.it has a stretched and widened fuselage
as well so us bigger guys can fit but may not fly real well. but I'm sure
anxious to try.I have the fuselage painted and on the gear now and moving forward
with installing the tail group,front door etc.hoping to get a shot of it
within a month or so with the center section up on the cabanes.then comes hanging
the engine and test running it! I am getting anxious but work and life does
slow me down.Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Buckeye Piets and Pietple |
-Don,- I don't think I can make the auto conversion fly in this year, b
ecause I have to work.- I told Dad and he said he might fly up if we get
the annual done.- I lost a lot of time last week due to the break in and
roberry of my hanger, so the piet got put on hold for a week or so.- I ho
pe you all have a good turn out and the weather holds out for a good fly in
.-
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Happy skies, and safe landings,
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Dan,
I am wondering if the Lost BHP Papers have any allowance for running the
cables under the stabilizer. Clearly it has been done; and I may regret
asking for permission, rather than for forgiveness. The last thing I would
want would be to be forced to park with the GN-1's someday when I make it to
B-head (not that there's anything wrong with GN-1's).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
longer is OK, but no more.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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Several Piets have longer cabanes for ease of entry. Most exceptions seem to be
in the 1-2-3 inch range of extension. In 2006 I measured many and found almost
all an inch or more taller. However, Lowell Frank showed me one Piet in a
hangar at Brodhead last year that had the longest cabanes I have seen. I doubt
any are longer. I forget, but I measured the forward cabane at either 30 or
32 inches. As is the norm, the front cabane was 1 inch taller than the rear.
They were absolutely vertical. They looked extraordinarily long, that is to
say strangely so, in part because they were made of thin (fore-to-aft) steel
streamline tubing. This is normal enough in itself, of course, but exaggerates
the height in the same way that a tall skinny guy looks taller.
Despite its appearance, Lowell told me the plane flies very well indeed.
I did not like the looks of cabanes that long, but I am making mine longer than
plans as well. I neither fold nor bend well. I hope to fool the eye into thinking
they conform more nearly to plans by using thicker aluminum streamline
tubing. I also intend to pitch mine rearwards 4 to 5 inches for CG reasons.
I know that others have done 4 inches rear pitch with shorter cabanes and without
ill effect, so I think with the greater length my angle is no greater than
others, so that I am not a "test pilot" in this case.
BTW there was one Piet at Brodhead in either 2006 or 2008 that had SHORTER cabanes,
and no flop or cutout. The pilot was no kid but still nimble, and sort of
slid into the cockpit with a slight duck and twist. He may have been humming
a "limbo" number at the time.
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Fiesta-powered Piet |
I really enjoyed the Kitplanes article on Jim Malley's Piet. It's a beauty
. Really interesting story about starting the build of it in a tiny apartm
ent=2C too.
I'm a technical nit-picker so bear with me on this one. The caption on the
first page of the story=2C the picture of the engine=2C says it's a 98-hp
Ford Fiesta engine. This is incorrect and what the author meant was what h
e says two pages later when he calls it a 98-cubic-inch engine. This resul
ts in the nominal 1600cc displacement of the Fiesta engine.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
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Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe T-craft |
Jim wrote:
>
>
> JHi Darrel,
> Did you get your crank back from Ashland? Would like to come over and see your
Pfiefer/Piet but not sure if I can make it this weekend when the Taylorcrafts
are there.
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
Jim,
Not yet, but Mike said he would bring them up some weekend soon. I need
to give him another call and see when.
The Pfeifer's hanging from the rafters in the hangar right now. I need
to get the Stinson annualled and a truck project out of the way. I
probably won't bring it down until I have the engine reassembled. You're
welcome to drop by anytime. We have hamburgers and hot dogs every
Saturday at noon.
Darrel
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Subject: | Re: rudder cables |
Gary
Sorry, but I can find no reference for an=C2-allowance for this. Try it
at your own peril.............. Does the cable=C2-interfere with the "d
own" elevator at all?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Groe, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:18 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Dan,
=C2-
I am wondering if the Lost BHP Papers have any allowance for running the
cables under the stabilizer. Clearly it has been done; and I may regret
asking for permission, rather than for forgiveness. The last thing I woul
d want would be to be forced to park with the GN-1=99s someday when
I make it to B-head (not that there=99s anything wrong with GN-1
=99s).
=C2-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done,=C2-Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down)
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Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
=C2-
Carson,
=C2-
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extr
a long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-puris
t I don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did
it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1" lo
nger is OK, but no
more.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
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Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Fiesta-powered Piet |
Oscar,
Did you not notice the other technical errors in the write-up?
Namely, the references to using 42-foot bungee cords for the landing
gear, the ribs being made from 4x2-inch spruce, and the turtledeck being
constructed from seven strips of 4x1-inch spruce. That would be one
heavy Pietenpol! The article also says that the plans call for a
fuselage tank, and that Malley added an additional tank in the wing -
but we all know the opposite is true.
Despite these technical errors (probably mostly just typos) I really
like this article. Reading about others that manage to overcome greater
obstacles than most of us face is inspiring. Thanks go out to Jim Markle
for scanning and posting the article.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: cabane length |
Thanks for all the replies I think I will go a couple of inches longer.
Carson
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Dan,
I'm not to that point yet, although I just got my fuse mounted on its gear
this weekend. Fitting and rigging the tail will be next. I can only assume
that, like most Piets, mine will rub when at rest.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Gary
Sorry, but I can find no reference for an allowance for this. Try it at your
own peril.............. Does the cable interfere with the "down" elevator at
all?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Groe, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:18 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Dan,
I am wondering if the Lost BHP Papers have any allowance for running the
cables under the stabilizer. Clearly it has been done; and I may regret
asking for permission, rather than for forgiveness. The last thing I would
want would be to be forced to park with the GN-1's someday when I make it to
B-head (not that there's anything wrong with GN-1's).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
Carson,
I made mine 1" longer. You will get many opinions on this. Makng them extra
long will surely make it easier to get in to, but being a close-to-purist I
don't like the way it looks- too much different from the way BHP did it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL
P.S. I just looked again at the lost BHP papers in my possession.....1"
longer is OK, but no more.
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Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane length
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Hi all
Has anyone made the cabanes longer?
Or would it cause any problems other than weight?
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Re: Fiesta-powered Piet |
Bill,
It's amazing how the press works.
I, at one time had a writer from a local newspaper ask to do a story on me
and my homebuilt airplane.
She talked to me directly, with no middle person.
When the article came out, she had made these amazing statements about me
being an instructor for 30+ years, and other bizzare things.
No, I've never had my instructors rating. Don't know where that came from.
It's kind of disturbing when you read the morning newspaper for the truth.
Go figure.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fiesta-powered Piet
Oscar,
Did you not notice the other technical errors in the write-up?
Namely, the references to using 42-foot bungee cords for the landing gear,
the ribs being made from 4x2-inch spruce, and the turtledeck being
constructed from seven strips of 4x1-inch spruce. That would be one heavy
Pietenpol! The article also says that the plans call for a fuselage tank,
and that Malley added an additional tank in the wing - but we all know the
opposite is true.
Despite these technical errors (probably mostly just typos) I really like
this article. Reading about others that manage to overcome greater obstacles
than most of us face is inspiring. Thanks go out to Jim Markle for scanning
and posting the article.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: rudder cables it's done |
For running rudder cables under the stab, that's what we did.- Works fine
, and looks better in my opinion.- It also makes running seperate tailwhe
el cables easier.- The only bennifit to runing them to the middle (origin
al design) is equal load on the hinges (in therory), at least as far as I c
an tell.- If you want them under the stab go for it, it won't hurt anythi
ng.- Look at any other homebuilt design and 99% have the rudder horn unde
r the horiz stab.- I remember talking Dad into running the cables "down l
ow" (at a young age of 21)-to make the airplane look more streamlined.-
Do what you want, use your own God given common sense, and some "Tribal Kn
owlage", and you will be just fine with this little, simple, forgiving airp
lane design.- My only advise for building this airplane, and getting it d
one is; Don't over analize this design, just look at what it is and build i
t to suite yourself.- It is NOT the space shuttle, or SR-71.- Cable pul
ls
left or right, up or down, does not bind works good so it is good.- If t
he original design works than don't fix it.-Use good practices and techni
ques, but don't over design the simplicty.- Yes, if your not sure ask, bu
t the plans, or design is NOT perfect, if you see room for improvement, imp
rove it if you have the knowlage or ability.- A pietenpol is not a compli
cated machine, about as complicated as a barn door.
-
Shad
-
P.S. of course everything is much harder with out tools, mine are all gone,
but I did buy a new pistol, and got a few bullets with some poor S.O.B.'s
name on them, and if the thief reads this, I dare you to come'on back!=0A
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