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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? (old man emu)
2. 04:23 AM - The Great Waldo Pepper (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? (rameses32)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? (Michael Silvius)
5. 11:55 AM - NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (899PM)
6. 11:59 AM - Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (899PM)
7. 12:17 PM - Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? (899PM)
8. 01:55 PM - Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (gcardinal@comcast.net)
9. 02:10 PM - 899PM (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (Barry Davis)
11. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? (Ed G.)
12. 04:32 PM - Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (Will42)
13. 07:14 PM - 80th anniversary today? (Jeff Boatright)
14. 07:23 PM - Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? (Gene Rambo)
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Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
rameses32 wrote:
> . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, it
is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover. Charley
Hey Charley,
Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden from a
Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden is. Maybe there's
a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I can't help, 'cause I
live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and listen to the Holdens rust.
[Laughing]
Old Man Emu
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Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper |
"The last time I flew with you the only thing I saw was the inside of a paper sack"
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Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
Ok, here is a 186. It is an inline 6 cylinder engine of 186 cubic inches, made
by Holden Australia in 1968. Holden, owned by GM, has been making cars in Australia
since Moses parted the red sea. They now make the Pontiac GTO for america,
or did. The 186 is 29 inches long, and 24 inches tall from drain plug to
the top of the valve cover, it weighs???? peak torque is 181 ft/lbs at 1600 RPM
and 126 Hp at 4200.
old man emu wrote:
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> rameses32 wrote:
> > . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today,
it is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover. Charley
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> Hey Charley,
> Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden from
a Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden is. Maybe
there's a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I can't help, 'cause
I live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and listen to the Holdens
rust. [Laughing]
>
> Old Man Emu
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Subject: | Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? |
Charles:
I like your initiative regarding a locally available engine. Looks like ithe
Holden most closely resembles an 6 cyl Chevy inline engine as found on the
earlier Chevy NOVA over here.
a quick goggle on the Holden engine shows this:
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_HR_technical_specifications.htm
a.. 3.05 "186" X2 Engine:
a.. Capacity: 3048cc 186 cubic inches (3.048 litres)
b.. Type: Conventional, watercooled four stroke, reciprocating piston type
with 6 cylinders
c.. Configuration: Front mounted, longitudinal, inline
d.. Head: Pushrod and rocker actuated ohv with two valves per cylinder
e.. Fuel System: Twin carburettor
f.. Bore and Stroke: 3.625 x 3.00 inches (92.1 x 76.2mm)
g.. Power: 145bhp (108kw) at 4600rpm
h.. Torque: 184lb-ft (249Nm) at 2200rpm
i.. Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_red_motor.htm
and:
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_6_cylinder_engine_timeline_2.htm
and
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_red_motor_engine_codes.htm
How stout is the crank and what do the thrust bearings look like in that
Holden engine?
In recent years the Corvair conversion went through some teething issues due
to that detail. Several close calls and several broken cranks because they
simply were not designed to take a prop yanking around on the crank with its
relatively narrow atomotive application bearings.
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html
and:
http://www.flycorvair.com/crankissues.html
problems seem to be solved with the addition of a 5th bearing
http://www.fly5thbearing.com/5thbearing.html
Michael
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Subject: | NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
Making good progress on Air Camper. Started 10 years ago. Restarted in earnest
last September. Fuselage is 2" wider and 2" deeper than plans. At 6'2" and 215,
I have room to spare. Enjoy.
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Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
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Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
cut 'em bigger....these holes pass size 13 sorrels with no problem.
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Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
Can you=C2-give us some details on the wheels? They look interesting.
Greg C.
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From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:54:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST
Making good progress on Air Camper. Started 10 years ago. Restarted in earn
est last September. Fuselage is 2" wider and 2" deeper than plans. At 6'2"
and 215, I have room to spare. Enjoy.
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Wow=2C Papa Mike- I love the woodwork on your Piet! And the engine really
looks handsome up there in front=2C too. Nice work!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
Looks great! Keep up the work!
Barry
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:59 PM
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Subject: | Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? |
Nice work! From the scuff marks on the floorboards I'd say you've been maki
ng engine noises...LOL
do not arcive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol?
> From: rockriverrifle@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 20 May 2009 12:16:41 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST |
gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Can you give us some details on the wheels? They look interesting.
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> Greg C.
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I would also like to know about the wheels. Are they spoke behind the disc or
is it a built-up disc wheel? Thanks.............Will
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Subject: | 80th anniversary today? |
I could be wrong, but according to Chet Peek's book, May 20, 1929 was
when Bernard Pietenpol first flew his new airplane, the Air Camper.
Did anyone fly their Piet today? I wanted to, but we had winds too high for me!
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Subject: | Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? |
Of course there is an AD requiring removal of all of those cardboard
gussets from Aeroncas!
Gene
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From: walt<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets?
<waltdak@verizon.net<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>>
John,
Just remember that Bernard Pietenpol used those round Quaker Oats
boxes for
the leading edge of his planes. I guess one box= one rib bay.
And my Mentor tells me that the old Aeronca's (I think) used cardboard
gussets on their ribs. And these were Certified Planes
walt evans
NX140DL
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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets?
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> I am looking for some advise.
> I have spent the last year preparing for my Pietenpol building
project. I
> have acquired many tools, some spruce and plywood. I have completed
my
> construction table along with a rib jig. I purchased some 1/16th
Okoume
> plywood with a BS6566 rating from Boulters. I also have some Wicks
> aircraft plywood I got from a failed builder in Ohio. The Okoume is
alot
> more flexible and looks like it would be perfect for the leading
edge and
> the Wicks plywood seems better for the wing rib gussets. Would this
be
> acceptable, or should I be doing some type of strength testing. I am
> excited about mixing up that first batch of T88, but I would hate to
start
> this off with a screw up. Any advice or suggestions will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> John C. in Kentucky
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