---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/20/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? (old man emu) 2. 04:23 AM - The Great Waldo Pepper (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 06:24 AM - Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? (rameses32) 4. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? (Michael Silvius) 5. 11:55 AM - NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (899PM) 6. 11:59 AM - Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (899PM) 7. 12:17 PM - Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? (899PM) 8. 01:55 PM - Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (gcardinal@comcast.net) 9. 02:10 PM - 899PM (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (Barry Davis) 11. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? (Ed G.) 12. 04:32 PM - Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST (Will42) 13. 07:14 PM - 80th anniversary today? (Jeff Boatright) 14. 07:23 PM - Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets? (Gene Rambo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? From: "old man emu" rameses32 wrote: > . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, it is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover. Charley Hey Charley, Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden from a Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden is. Maybe there's a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I can't help, 'cause I live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and listen to the Holdens rust. [Laughing] Old Man Emu -------- I can't fly, but I'm telling you, I can run the pants off a kangaroo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244760#244760 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper From: helspersew@aol.com "The last time I flew with you the only thing I saw was the inside of a paper sack" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? From: "rameses32" Ok, here is a 186. It is an inline 6 cylinder engine of 186 cubic inches, made by Holden Australia in 1968. Holden, owned by GM, has been making cars in Australia since Moses parted the red sea. They now make the Pontiac GTO for america, or did. The 186 is 29 inches long, and 24 inches tall from drain plug to the top of the valve cover, it weighs???? peak torque is 181 ft/lbs at 1600 RPM and 126 Hp at 4200. old man emu wrote: > > rameses32 wrote: > > . I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, it is 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover. Charley > > > Hey Charley, > Most of the people on this forum are Yanks. They wouldn't know a Holden from a Black Stump. Better tell them what a 186 motor is, and who Holden is. Maybe there's a similar GM engine that they'd be familiar with. I can't help, 'cause I live in Ford country. On a quiet day you can sit and listen to the Holdens rust. [Laughing] > > Old Man Emu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244770#244770 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/159f_1_707.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:27 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is? Charles: I like your initiative regarding a locally available engine. Looks like ithe Holden most closely resembles an 6 cyl Chevy inline engine as found on the earlier Chevy NOVA over here. a quick goggle on the Holden engine shows this: http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_HR_technical_specifications.htm a.. 3.05 "186" X2 Engine: a.. Capacity: 3048cc 186 cubic inches (3.048 litres) b.. Type: Conventional, watercooled four stroke, reciprocating piston type with 6 cylinders c.. Configuration: Front mounted, longitudinal, inline d.. Head: Pushrod and rocker actuated ohv with two valves per cylinder e.. Fuel System: Twin carburettor f.. Bore and Stroke: 3.625 x 3.00 inches (92.1 x 76.2mm) g.. Power: 145bhp (108kw) at 4600rpm h.. Torque: 184lb-ft (249Nm) at 2200rpm i.. Compression Ratio: 9.2:1 http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_red_motor.htm and: http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_6_cylinder_engine_timeline_2.htm and http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_red_motor_engine_codes.htm How stout is the crank and what do the thrust bearings look like in that Holden engine? In recent years the Corvair conversion went through some teething issues due to that detail. Several close calls and several broken cranks because they simply were not designed to take a prop yanking around on the crank with its relatively narrow atomotive application bearings. http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html and: http://www.flycorvair.com/crankissues.html problems seem to be solved with the addition of a 5th bearing http://www.fly5thbearing.com/5thbearing.html Michael ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST From: "899PM" Making good progress on Air Camper. Started 10 years ago. Restarted in earnest last September. Fuselage is 2" wider and 2" deeper than plans. At 6'2" and 215, I have room to spare. Enjoy. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244805#244805 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1188_168.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST From: "899PM" and another: -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244806#244806 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1135_146.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? From: "899PM" cut 'em bigger....these holes pass size 13 sorrels with no problem. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244811#244811 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0966_246.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:42 PM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST Can you=C2-give us some details on the wheels? They look interesting. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "899PM" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:54:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Pietenpol-List: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST Making good progress on Air Camper. Started 10 years ago. Restarted in earn est last September. Fuselage is 2" wider and 2" deeper than plans. At 6'2" and 215, I have room to spare. Enjoy. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244805#244805 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1188_168.jpg =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:45 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 899PM Wow=2C Papa Mike- I love the woodwork on your Piet! And the engine really looks handsome up there in front=2C too. Nice work! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:21 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST Looks great! Keep up the work! Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 899PM Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST --> and another: -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244806#244806 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1135_146.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:58 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? Nice work! From the scuff marks on the floorboards I'd say you've been maki ng engine noises...LOL do not arcive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How does a six-footer get into a Pietenpol? > From: rockriverrifle@hotmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 20 May 2009 12:16:41 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > cut 'em bigger....these holes pass size 13 sorrels with no problem. > > -------- > PAPA MIKE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244811#244811 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0966_246.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd1_052009 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NEW (old) TO PIET LIST From: "Will42" gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote: > Can you give us some details on the wheels? They look interesting. > > Greg C. > > --- I would also like to know about the wheels. Are they spoke behind the disc or is it a built-up disc wheel? Thanks.............Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244846#244846 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:35 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary today? I could be wrong, but according to Chet Peek's book, May 20, 1929 was when Bernard Pietenpol first flew his new airplane, the Air Camper. Did anyone fly their Piet today? I wanted to, but we had winds too high for me! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:24 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets? Of course there is an AD requiring removal of all of those cardboard gussets from Aeroncas! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets? > John, Just remember that Bernard Pietenpol used those round Quaker Oats boxes for the leading edge of his planes. I guess one box= one rib bay. And my Mentor tells me that the old Aeronca's (I think) used cardboard gussets on their ribs. And these were Certified Planes walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnC" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Plywood Gussets? > > > I am looking for some advise. > I have spent the last year preparing for my Pietenpol building project. I > have acquired many tools, some spruce and plywood. I have completed my > construction table along with a rib jig. I purchased some 1/16th Okoume > plywood with a BS6566 rating from Boulters. I also have some Wicks > aircraft plywood I got from a failed builder in Ohio. The Okoume is alot > more flexible and looks like it would be perfect for the leading edge and > the Wicks plywood seems better for the wing rib gussets. Would this be > acceptable, or should I be doing some type of strength testing. I am > excited about mixing up that first batch of T88, but I would hate to start > this off with a screw up. Any advice or suggestions will be greatly > appreciated. > > John C. in Kentucky > > -------- > I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I > don't poke him in the eye on accident. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244639#244639 > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.