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1. 05:44 AM - Re: Model A (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 05:50 AM - Re: california (Jerry Dotson)
3. 05:59 AM - building on the road (skellytown flyer)
4. 11:10 AM - engine mount angle (skellytown flyer)
5. 12:38 PM - Re: Model A (Will42)
6. 05:42 PM - now much bungee cord do I need? (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 06:54 PM - engine mount angle (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Model A (Ameet Savant)
9. 07:28 PM - Re: now much bungee cord do I need? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
10. 07:40 PM - Re: engine mount angle (skellytown flyer)
11. 08:33 PM - Parts List (K5YAC)
12. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: Model A (Ryan Mueller)
13. 10:56 PM - Re: Parts List (Peter W Johnson)
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In one of the old Buckeye news letters, Frank Pvaglia suggested
lengthening the fus. 6 inches at the nose with the A. I lengthened my
motor mt. 4" and probably should have gone 2 more inches. Ken Perkins
extended his mt. 7" He was pretty heavy then, but has since lost
weight. . Chuck Ganzer had to put 14lbs of lead on the front of his
model A. BHP came from an era when a fat person was rare, and the term
"couch potato" wasn't even invented yet.Brodhead is only 2 months away,
go and attend Ken Perkins's modle A forum. Leon S. in Kansas.
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I don't think the O-200 will be too much power. They put the Corvair on it and
they say the Corvair is more powerful than the O-200 is.
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| Subject: | building on the road |
Well Oscar's flight story gives me something to look forward to in mine if I can
just finish it.I flew an hour yesterday in my clipwing Challenger while it was
cool and calm.should have been ideal for a Pietenpol.noticed as I went over
a big pipeline bridge how the cables seemed to have been painted green.cruised
on to the hills where Billy Dixon made his mile long shot from a buffalo hunters
camp north of the Canadian River and turned after seeing some nice Mule Deer.All
this at maybe 200 ft. AGL. headed back south and saw about 20 Turkey buzzards
sitting on those cables that support the 24" pipeline with their wings
spread out. where did those come from ? guess they were in the shadows on the
way over-the thing is about a half mile long.anyway I got in a beautiful flight
and came home to get a little more done on the project I got from DJ- I sure
want to get it flying in the next year but have been doing a lot of traveling
and will be working around Kansas most of the summer and living in motels except
weekends so it will be difficult-not a lot of small parts to take along for
building in the evenings at this stage.it was nice to have ribs to glue up
years back when I was doing it.Anyway- I wonder how flying low and sightseeing
will be in the GN-1 behind the Corvair. I know the noise should be a lot more
tolerable than the screaming 2 stroke,but I can cruise it at 85 to 90 an really
bank it around to stay with a running Antelope or rabbit to get a second look
without it dropping out from under me.i doubt the speeds will be anywhere near
as fast and i don't know if it will be as forgiving in a tight turn as my
old Piper used to be.it seemed that thing would rotate in one spot with enough
rudder -something to practice at higher altitudes.but I'm just guessing the Piet
will be a little less responsive in a turn.anyway this is not worth archiving-just
daydreams.Raymond
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| Subject: | engine mount angle |
OK as usual I'm sure this has been hashed over before.but I don't try to go into
archives and hunt well.I am close to hanging the engine back on the mount,but
I'm wondering if it would be worth putting any angle down or to the side kinda
like a lot of Pipers have when I hang it? mines the GN-1 version with the Corvair.Raymond
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"Is there a particular model year that is better suited for flight?"
I would get the engine no matter. As far as counter balancing; it's really not
needed; no more RPM than the "A" turns with a prop. Better to get a 1928 forged
crank; much stronger and lighter; counter-balance just adds weight and you don't
need that.
Will42
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| Subject: | now much bungee cord do I need? |
I'm ordering bungee cord for my Jenny landing gear. How much and what size
has worked for you guys?
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | engine mount angle |
Raymond;
Let's see if I change my message formatting to "plain text" if
the extra "alphabet" doesn't show up in my posts whenever I add
a comma or other punctuation.
The Corvair engine mount design that you can get from the Pietenpol
family incorporates the offset that Mr. Pietenpol used on his
airplanes. The plans for that mount show the propeller end of the
main cradle tubes 1" lower than the firewall end of the tubes but
no left/right offset. I have not heard whether any of the PietVair
pilots have needed to add rudder trim or other offset. Perhaps Hans
will comment on how his PietVair flies, and if he built his mount
according to the Pietenpol drawing dated 3-15-67.
I have one of these engine mounts, built per this drawing, and can
dig it out of the hangar and make measurements if you'd like.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Thank you all for responding to my questions.
Is there a Model A adapted for flight specifications page some place? I have looked
at the first few pages of Google results but didn't find any RPM information.
I know the Ford makes 40HP- but at what RPM?
I am tentatively planning to attend Brodhead this year. I plan to learn a lot about
the Air Camper. I am sure someone would give me a ride in one too!
Regards.
Ameet
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| Subject: | now much bungee cord do I need? |
Douwe,
I use 6 feet of 1/2" diameter bungee per side. 5/8" is too much work to wrap.
Beware...I've ordered 1/2" and rec'd 5/8" that they said
was "close enough" from Wicks and ACS. Some guys use the 5/8" but for me tis
too stiff and doesn't give the "give" you might desire.
Other's may vary on what they use but that has worked for me.
PS-- don't buy flea market or dollar store bungee material/cord....was a dumb move
I'll never do again as it lasted less than 2 mos.
PSS-- If you have a Boater's World store near you, you can go there and see the
great selection of bungee cord they have and just
tell them to cut you how ever much you'll need.
PSSSS-- to get the right "give" I sometimes have to wrap and re-wrap my cords
2-3 times to get them to be equal from side to side
(roughly) and so they don't sag too much with a full load but aren't too tight
where they don't give at all. It is kind of like making Goldie Locks
happy with the bed that is just right.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: engine mount angle |
Oscar looks like you fixed the thing with the extra C's alright.I was considering
whether to do anything with the thrust on my mount-of course if your's is for
a real Piet it would no doubt be different in fit than a GN-1 anyway.I know
D.J. said he added some angle of attack to the wing if I remember right so maybe
that will allow it to fly more level and the engine also will be good like
he built it.but anyway-just doing some brain-storming.thanks.Raymond
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I'm getting ready to place an order for my wood kit, and since I have to pay freight,
I'd like to get as much stuff as I can on this order... especially all
the larger stuff that will require a freight truck.
I know I've seen some discussion of parts lists on the boards, but I've searched
for those threads and haven't come up with anything. As for the wood, I've
already got all the capstrip for my wing ribs (only a few left to build), and
I understand that in addition to the wood kit, I will need ply for gussets, floor
and sides, as well as fuselage standoff material. I've identified several
things that I'll need to order by studying the prints, but I'd hate to leave
something out that I've overlooked, or order a part that should be substituted
with something else.
Does anyone have a parts list I can refer to prior to completing my order?
Thanks!
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Mark
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Bernard makes these comments from the builder's manual (and thus originally
in the F+G articles):
"We recommend the engine to turn over at 1,750 RPM on the ground and cruise
at 1,650 RPM in the air, although they will turn up to 1,900 RPM in the air
at full throttle in flight. However, cruising at 1,650 RPM reduces the
amount of maintenance that is required for the engine. The cruising speed
averages from 60-70 MPH, while the climb is very similar to the average OX-5
engine powered airplane."
Hope that helps give you an idea of what to expect.
Ryan
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Ameet Savant <ameetsavant@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thank you all for responding to my questions.
>
> Is there a Model A adapted for flight specifications page some place? I
> have looked at the first few pages of Google results but didn't find any RPM
> information. I know the Ford makes 40HP- but at what RPM?
>
> I am tentatively planning to attend Brodhead this year. I plan to learn a
> lot about the Air Camper. I am sure someone would give me a ride in one too!
>
> Regards.
> Ameet
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Mark,
I have a wood list on my web site. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com.
Have a look under "Services & Suppliers".
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Monday, 25 May 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Parts List
I'm getting ready to place an order for my wood kit, and since I have to pay
freight, I'd like to get as much stuff as I can on this order... especially
all the larger stuff that will require a freight truck.
I know I've seen some discussion of parts lists on the boards, but I've
searched for those threads and haven't come up with anything. As for the
wood, I've already got all the capstrip for my wing ribs (only a few left to
build), and I understand that in addition to the wood kit, I will need ply
for gussets, floor and sides, as well as fuselage standoff material. I've
identified several things that I'll need to order by studying the prints,
but I'd hate to leave something out that I've overlooked, or order a part
that should be substituted with something else.
Does anyone have a parts list I can refer to prior to completing my order?
Thanks!
--------
Mark
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