---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/26/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:37 AM - Re: Buckeye Piets and Pietple (Skip Gadd) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Parts List (TriScout) 3. 09:10 AM - Wing construction complete (Skip Gadd) 4. 10:01 AM - Steve Raddatz Died. :( (Dave Case) 5. 12:13 PM - Cast motorcycle wheels (Bill Church) 6. 12:39 PM - Re: Steve Raddatz Died. :( (Mike Whaley) 7. 12:50 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Rick Holland) 8. 02:07 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Ken Chambers) 9. 04:09 PM - Urethane on wing ribs (K5YAC) 10. 04:35 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 11. 05:06 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Jack Phillips) 12. 05:56 PM - Re: Teflon sealant for fuel lines () 13. 07:53 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Clif Dawson) 14. 08:57 PM - Re: fuel line thread sealant (Steve Ruse) 15. 09:33 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:17 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Buckeye Piets and Pietple Don, That is the same weekend as our Hales Landing spring picnic. I would only be able to come up Sunday, would there still be stuff going on? Skip > [Original Message] > From: Don Emch > To: > Date: 5/16/2009 11:25:04 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buckeye Piets and Pietple > > > For the Ohio Piets and the Ohio Pietple, Barber Airport is having their annual Auto Engine Conversion Fly-in on June 5,6,and7. I talked to Forrest Barber and he said he is also listing it as including Pietenpols. There are two Piets hangared there and will be there for the fly-in. They are Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy and Allen Rudolph's 1934-ish Piet that Frank just acquired. Both of these are a real treat to see. I'm planning to fly mine over. Mike, Skip, Shad, and any others, it sure would be cool to have a nice Pietenpol turn out. Any of you guys up for a little gathering? > > For those of you that know some of the familiar faces that have attended Brodhead over the years, I heard some sad news yesterday. Will Graff, from Wadsworth, Ohio passed away a couple of weeks ago. I, like many others, enjoyed many Brodhead afternoons sitting on the grass in the shade talking with him and enjoying his Piet. He'll be missed. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244321#244321 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Parts List From: "TriScout" Yeah, I am hereby enlightened. That all makes sense to me. I guess it's better to just wait out the delivery time and let the pro's (UPS Ground) do the shipping.. Thanks for the input (reality check).. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245379#245379 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:33 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction complete Well 90% complete anyway. I want to thank all the guys who helped assemble my wings at Sun n Fun, Dick, P F, Don, Art, Jim, John, Randy, ED, and Bill Rewey for advise. Built the ribs 1990, built the spars 1994, and the aileron spars sometime in between. Cut the L/E, T/E, and struts early April and hulled everything from W Virginia to Lakeland. We assembled all the pieces at the wood shop tent. The trailer tongue broke twice, once on the way down and also on the way back, no damage and now I have two wings hanging in the hangar. Still have to add the butt ribs and a couple struts before I varnish the wings and hang up again and get back the the fuse. What a blast, just 18 years from rib jig to assembled wings ;) Skip P.S.Tried to send this message in early May, but have been having trouble sending email. skipgadd@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Raddatz Died. :( From: Dave Case I met Steve at Oshkosh a couple years ago while working for Advanced Flight. We were at the RV BBQ and I let slip that I was building a Pietenpol. Steve exclaimed, "I built a Pietenpol! Takes off at 60, flies at 60, and lands at 60! You know why they call it an Aircamper dontcha? Because when you are in the pattern, you are camping!" I always looked forward to seeing him at the shows, and now I won't. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels From: "Bill Church" I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of airworthy WWI replicas on display (Fokker Triplane and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter). One of the things I noticed was the wheels that were used on these replicas. They used alloy wheels, as opposed to spoked wheels. Since these are aircraft that fly regularly, obviously they work. I don't know how this type of wheel compares to a traditional spoked wheel, in terms of weight or strength, and if left exposed would be ugly (in my opinion). In this situation, they covered the wheels (al least on the outboard side) so they weren't obvious. My guess is that this type of wheel would not be as tough as a traditional spoked wheel. This "highly scientific" opinion is based solely on the fact that I don't recall ever seeing a dirt bike with alloy wheels. I figure that dirt bikes would be subjected to much more abuse and rough handling than street bikes, and thus would be made to handle abuse. So, my question is: Anyone out there know anything about alloy motorcycle wheels (as compared to spoked wheels), specifically, strength and weight comparisons and suitability for Pietenpol use? Bill C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:46 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Raddatz Died. :( That is sad news. I never met the guy, but I do remember his name for making some very unflattering comments about Pietenpols to the (non-aviation) news media at the last SNF. I'm sure he didn't mean it quite the way it was presented, but it's a good object lesson for us all on how even tongue-in-cheek comments are so often spun by the media to portray aviation in the most negative light possible. --------------- http://www.theledger.com/article/20090420/NEWS/904205048/1153/NEWS11?Title=B uilding-Planes-From-a-Kit-No-Problem-for-Alabama-Man Published: Monday, April 20, 2009 at 12:01 a.m. Last Modified: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 at 1:06 a.m. LAKELAND For Stave Raddatz, building a kit plane has become second nature. Raddatz, 41, has built 22 so far, including a helicopter, a Sonex, a Harmon Rocket and a Pietenpol Air Camper. Why the name Air Camper? Raddatz smiles. "If you take off and leave the flight pattern, you're camping. You'll never make it home." The latest home-built job for Raddatz, from Muscle Shoals, Ala., is his Van's RV 10, a four-seater that travels 200 mph. He just finished the plane and didn't have time to paint it before the Fly-In. "I'll paint it after the show," he said. Raddatz has gotten so smooth as a plane maker that it took just three months to build the RV 10. His hobby of building planes fits. In the work world, he owns Hobby Town USA in Muscle Shoals --------------- Mike Whaley MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Case" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Steve Raddatz Died. :( > I met Steve at Oshkosh a couple years ago while working for Advanced > Flight. We were at the RV BBQ and I let slip that I was building a > Pietenpol. > > Steve exclaimed, "I built a Pietenpol! Takes off at 60, flies at 60, and > lands at 60! You know why they call it an Aircamper dontcha? Because when > you are in the pattern, you are camping!" > > I always looked forward to seeing him at the shows, and now I won't. > -- > David Case > Dav3xor@gmail.com > www.builddiary.net > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels From: Rick Holland If you are going to cover them up anyhow as many do with spoke wheels why not? Question is what do they cost? Rick On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of > airworthy WWI replicas on display (Fokker Triplane and Sopwith 1 1/2 > Strutter). One of the things I noticed was the wheels that were used on > these replicas. They used alloy wheels, as opposed to spoked wheels. Since > these are aircraft that fly regularly, obviously they work. I don't know how > this type of wheel compares to a traditional spoked wheel, in terms of > weight or strength, and if left exposed would be ugly (in my opinion). In > this situation, they covered the wheels (al least on the outboard side) so > they weren't obvious. My guess is that this type of wheel would not be as > tough as a traditional spoked wheel. This "highly scientific" opinion is > based solely on the fact that I don't recall ever seeing a dirt bike with > alloy wheels. I figure that dirt bikes would be subjected to much more abuse > and rough handling than street bikes, and thus would be made to handle > abuse. > So, my question is: Anyone out there know anything about alloy motorcycle > wheels (as compared to spoked wheels), specifically, strength and weight > comparisons and suitability for Pietenpol use? > > Bill C. > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels From: Ken Chambers I've been seeing these in the $50-$75 range on ebay. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > If you are going to cover them up anyhow as many do with spoke wheels why > not? Question is what do they cost? > > Rick > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Bill Church wrote: > >> >> I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of >> airworthy WWI replicas on display (Fokker Triplane and Sopwith 1 1/2 >> Strutter). One of the things I noticed was the wheels that were used on >> these replicas. They used alloy wheels, as opposed to spoked wheels. Since >> these are aircraft that fly regularly, obviously they work. I don't know how >> this type of wheel compares to a traditional spoked wheel, in terms of >> weight or strength, and if left exposed would be ugly (in my opinion). In >> this situation, they covered the wheels (al least on the outboard side) so >> they weren't obvious. My guess is that this type of wheel would not be as >> tough as a traditional spoked wheel. This "highly scientific" opinion is >> based solely on the fact that I don't recall ever seeing a dirt bike with >> alloy wheels. I figure that dirt bikes would be subjected to much more abuse >> and rough handling than street bikes, and thus would be made to handle >> abuse. >> So, my question is: Anyone out there know anything about alloy motorcycle >> wheels (as compared to spoked wheels), specifically, strength and weight >> comparisons and suitability for Pietenpol use? >> >> Bill C. >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs From: "K5YAC" I'm getting ready to apply Minwax Spar urethane to my wing ribs, but I want to be sure that I'm not applying it where I intend to use glue later. I've taped off the areas where the spars, leading edge and trailing edge will be installed. Is there anywhere else I should be cautious? I thought I read that a portion of the wing is supposed to be sheeted, but I can't find it in the plans. Is this correct, or perhaps I read about that on another build. Perhaps someone can refresh my memory, or offer some pointers? -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245466#245466 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:47 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels I wish I knew more about the strength / weight issue as I've been intereste d in trying this for a while... Now that I've seen someone else has done i t successfully=2C it gives me more courage to do it - although without any science per se'. I know the cost is significantly less. For instance=2C I see Harley Sportster wheels (cast) on ebay / craigslist / at your local de aler for sale for about 1/2 what the spoked rims cost. Plus they're much more plentiful. Tom B. Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels From: eng@canadianrogers.com I was at an aviation event on the weekend=2C and there were a couple of airworthy WWI replicas on disp lay (Fokker Triplane and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter). One of the things I noticed w as the wheels that were used on these replicas. They used alloy wheels=2C as opposed to spoked wheels. Since these are aircraft that fly regularly=2C ob viously they work. I don't know how this type of wheel compares to a traditional spoked wheel=2C in terms of weight or strength=2C and if left exposed would be ugly (in my opinion). In this situation=2C they covered the wheels (al least on the outboard side) so they weren't obvious. My guess is that this type of wheel would not be as tough as a traditional spoked wheel. This "highly scientific" opinion is based solely on the fact that I don't recall ever seeing a dirt bike with alloy wheels. I figure that dirt bikes would be subjected to much more abuse and rough handling than street bikes=2C and th us would be made to handle abuse. So=2C my question is: Anyone out there know anything about alloy motorcycle wheels (as compared to spoked wheels)=2C specifically=2C strength and weight comparisons and su itability for Pietenpol use? Bill C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:55 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs Depends on what process you are using for covering. If using the Stits PolyFiber process, make sure that PolyTak or PolyBrush won't "lift" the varnish. The safest thing to use at least on the rib capstrips is PolyFiber's epoxy varnish. It's durn near bulletproof. The leading edge is sheeted with plywood from the leading edge to the front spar, on top of the wing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs I'm getting ready to apply Minwax Spar urethane to my wing ribs, but I want to be sure that I'm not applying it where I intend to use glue later. I've taped off the areas where the spars, leading edge and trailing edge will be installed. Is there anywhere else I should be cautious? I thought I read that a portion of the wing is supposed to be sheeted, but I can't find it in the plans. Is this correct, or perhaps I read about that on another build. Perhaps someone can refresh my memory, or offer some pointers? -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245466#245466 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Teflon sealant for fuel lines You can find a similar Teflon thread sealant paste at your local auto parts stores. LocTite sells pretty much the same thing in a smaller tube (@ 2oz or so). I have used this on several cars for both fuel, lubrication and coolant systems with no leaks for more than 10 years now. Works great. Never really hardens either. The 2 oz tube will last for years as well. Look for it in the same section as regular gasket sealants and RTV. Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL / Baton Rouge LA Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel line thread sealant From: "skellytown flyer" Thanks for the good responses.i have known how Teflon tape gets into things if used wrong for years.I use it every day at work.but I'm careful to not wrap the first thread and when fittings are removed they always shed some in the fitting.I expect 9/10's of the problems are from folks that take them back apart and then put them back together again without thoroughly cleaning out the remains.but I'll either try the Teflon paste or get some fuel lube from my friendly mechanic.i used to get it to lube the selector valve and gas cap gaskets on my tri-pacer.but didn't keep any extra.I mainly want to insure i don't gall any threads as well as seal it up.guess either one should guard against that.the heavy aluminum bung welded to the bottom of the tank is very thick so I shouldn't have to worry about splitting it.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245347#245347 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:17 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels I will be using Suzuki 19" ones. I have made hub extensions and will be making 10" drum brakes for them. I'd always planned on covered wheels anyway. I got these at a used motorcycle yard four years ago. I think I paid $30 each. ( That would have been $25 US at the time.) Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of airworthy WWI replicas on display (Fokker Triplane and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter). One of the things I noticed was the wheels that were used on these replicas. They used alloy wheels, as opposed to spoked wheels. Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/26/09 20:20:00 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:28 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel line thread sealant Another vote for EZ turn. I bought the tube, which is more than I'll use in a couple decades. After doing all the fuel lines on the plane, the tube still appears to be full. Good stuff. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel line thread sealant > > > I'm with Jack all the way... NO teflon tape on fuel or oil fittings. > I used "EZ Turn", which is the same as fuel lube, available from > Aircraft Spruce or from your neighborhood aircraft supply house ;o) > Aircraft Spruce shows a 5 oz. tube available along with a 1 lb. can, > and like Jack says, a little goes a long way. I bought the can ($22) > since the 5 oz. tube costs $11 but even the tube is probably more than > a lifetime supply unless you run an A&P shop. The stuff never goes bad, > never hardens, and is resistant to all the fuels and oils you're likely > to find in aircraft. > > The one thing about it is that it is worse than honey. It will find its > way onto you no matter how careful you are, and it's a bit sticky. I > keep a popsicle stick on top of the can lid to use as a spreader since I > don't like to spread it with my finger, but the stuff isn't toxic or > anything. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:35 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels Cliff=2C What's the weight? From: CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels I will be using Suzuki 19" ones. I have made hub extensions and will be making 10" drum brakes for them. I'd always planned on covered wheels anyway. I got these at a used motorcycle yard four years ago. I think I paid $30 each. ( That would have been $25 US at the time.) Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels I was at an aviation event on the weekend=2C and there were a couple of airworthy WWI replicas on display (Fokker Triplane and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter). One of the things I noticed was the wheels that were used on these replicas. They used alloy wheels=2C as opposed to spoked wheels. Bill C. No virus found in this incoming message. 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