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1. 03:31 AM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Barry Davis)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Top color - Stewart System (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 08:29 AM - KFLV (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: KFLV (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 08:49 AM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Rick Holland)
7. 01:12 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Gary Boothe)
8. 05:12 PM - Re: KFLV (Chet's Mail)
9. 06:03 PM - Re: KFLV (K5YAC)
10. 06:03 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (jimd)
11. 06:11 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (K5YAC)
12. 08:13 PM - Looking for Parts (K5YAC)
13. 08:58 PM - Re: Looking for Parts (Peter W Johnson)
14. 09:09 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Clif Dawson)
15. 09:13 PM - Re: Looking for Parts (K5YAC)
16. 09:59 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (K5YAC)
17. 11:41 PM - Re: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Clif Dawson)
18. 11:53 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (walt)
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane on wing ribs |
Mark,
If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar varnish you
choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using this system
for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some sort of rubber
based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based glues.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL.
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| Subject: | Urethane on wing ribs |
Dan
The answer is yes. We used the spar varnish available at the local Home
Depot and it worked great. We put on 2 coats. Be sure to scrape off any
drips or runs before you start covering.
After covering 6 airplanes with Stewart, I'll never use MEK based stuff
again. The top color is another story.
Barry
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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs
Mark,
If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar varnish
you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using this
system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some sort
of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based glues.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Top color - Stewart System |
Barry,
Please comment on your experiences with the Stewart top color coats. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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I may be sent to Leavenworth, Kansas for a year. NO not the prison, Fort Leavenworth
the military base, for a school.
Does anyone have any experience with KFLV? I know that it is a military runway
with a civilian FBO. This allows the Army to spread some costs and the city of
Leavenworth to get acess to a cheap airport. I spoke with the Military flying
club manager and he said that they have some group hanger space, but it is tight.
He said a guy with a Bonanza may be leaving and I might could have his slot
for my Vtail Bonanza.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane on wing ribs |
Barry
What are you guys using to finish paint your fabric and aluminum?
Rick
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Dan
> The answer is yes. We used the spar varnish available at the local Home
> Depot and it worked great. We put on 2 coats. Be sure to scrape off any
> drips or runs before you start covering.
> After covering 6 airplanes with Stewart, I'll never use MEK based stuff
> again. The top color is another story.
> Barry
>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:29 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs
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> Mark,
>
> If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar
> varnish you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using
> this system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some
> sort of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based
> glues.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove IL.
>
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| Subject: | Urethane on wing ribs |
Barry,
What is that ".other story.?"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs
Dan
The answer is yes. We used the spar varnish available at the local Home
Depot and it worked great. We put on 2 coats. Be sure to scrape off any
drips or runs before you start covering.
After covering 6 airplanes with Stewart, I'll never use MEK based stuff
again. The top color is another story.
Barry
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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs
Mark,
If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar varnish
you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using this
system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some sort
of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based glues.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL.
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<http://www.aolhealth.com/diet/weight-loss-program/?ncid=emlcntusheal0000000
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Steven,
I have flown in and out of there is the C-12 and as a civil pilot, nice
airport and some great things to do in and around the Kansas city area. As
to there hangers and space there are two large hangers and I have never seen
them full, so I would think you would have very little possible damage to
your aircraft.
Chet KJEF 125nm east.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: KFLV
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I may be sent to Leavenworth, Kansas for a year. NO not the prison, Fort
> Leavenworth the military base, for a school.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with KFLV? I know that it is a military
> runway with a civilian FBO. This allows the Army to spread some costs and
> the city of Leavenworth to get acess to a cheap airport. I spoke with the
> Military flying club manager and he said that they have some group hanger
> space, but it is tight. He said a guy with a Bonanza may be leaving and I
> might could have his slot for my Vtail Bonanza.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Steve D
>
>
>
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Chet Hartley at KJEF eh? Do you have any family in St. Martins? Just curious...
I grew up in that neck of the woods (JCHS class of 90) and had a friend named
Roger Hartley.
Ok, back to KFLV discussion...
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Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane on wing ribs |
I like the System3 Clear Coat for an epoxy varnish.. it is really thin, goes on
easy (can run a bit). With it you can do the whole rib then when you use some
T88 to put on the leading edge wrap it is compatible with it, if you put the
wrap on soon you don't have to do anything special, if you wait a few weeks or
more you should scuff it so the T88 can get a bite on it.
The Stewart Systems stuff doesn't require epoxy varnish, I used it on all the gluing
surfaces anyway, just in case a decade from now I want to use something
other than Stewart Systems. The rest of the wood inside the wings I went with
Minwax Polycrylic.. used it for all kinds of things, it drys fast, is tough and
fairly cheap, and doesn't smell like epoxy varnish.
Love the look of the System3 clear coat, one of the suppliers had it 3 quarts for
$99. I suspect that would be enough to do an entire piet's woodwork. Bought
a smaller size and have been trying to make it last.
JimD
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane on wing ribs |
Thanks for all the info... I've got 5 ribs coated with the Minwax urethane. Seems
to be going fine... it is thin so it applies easily. I'm also reading about
the Stewart System covering. I am quite a ways from being ready to cover anything,
but I know virtually nothing about it... so I'll keep reading the instructions,
and the mail.
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Mark
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| Subject: | Looking for Parts |
I'm studying the plans in order to get as much material on my freight order as
I can, especially where completing the wing is concerned. Unfortunately, my lack
of experience is getting the best of me.
The wing plans call for 325 SF turnbuckles and 13GA hard wire for the drag/anti
drag cable installation. So, I'm scouring the Aircraft Spruce catalog (both
print and online), but I am unable to find the type of turnbuckle as it is called
out. Do I just pick one? Kind of difficult given that there seems to be
some variety. I mean, I can pretty much figure out what type ends would be useful,
but I'm not even sure what the 325 SF stands for in order to make a comparison.
As for 13GA hard wire... I find stranded wire, music wire, safety wire,
Inconel wire for cutting, but no single stranded 13GA wire. Is there something
else that is used nowadays? Perhaps stranded of another gauge? Also, the
smallest thimbles and sleeves they have listed are for 1/16" cable, which is
twice the diameter of the recommended 14 and 13GA wire called for in much of the
build.
Maybe I'm just overlooking these things? Perhaps there are alternatives I am unfamiliar
with? I've been goofing around with some of the easier tasks for weeks
(wing ribs), and now it seems that some of the obvious components are not
so obvious after all.
Recommendations?
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Mark
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| Subject: | Looking for Parts |
Mark,
Check out my web site http://www.cpc-world.com. Go to "Aircraft Systems" >
"Controls & Brakes". There are details of the turnbuckles, cable etc I used.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts
I'm studying the plans in order to get as much material on my freight order
as I can, especially where completing the wing is concerned. Unfortunately,
my lack of experience is getting the best of me.
The wing plans call for 325 SF turnbuckles and 13GA hard wire for the
drag/anti drag cable installation. So, I'm scouring the Aircraft Spruce
catalog (both print and online), but I am unable to find the type of
turnbuckle as it is called out. Do I just pick one? Kind of difficult
given that there seems to be some variety. I mean, I can pretty much figure
out what type ends would be useful, but I'm not even sure what the 325 SF
stands for in order to make a comparison. As for 13GA hard wire... I find
stranded wire, music wire, safety wire, Inconel wire for cutting, but no
single stranded 13GA wire. Is there something else that is used nowadays?
Perhaps stranded of another gauge? Also, the smallest thimbles and sleeves
they have listed are for 1/16" cable, which is twice the diameter of the
recommended 14 and 13GA wire called for in much of the build.
Maybe I'm just overlooking these things? Perhaps there are alternatives I
am unfamiliar with? I've been goofing around with some of the easier tasks
for weeks (wing ribs), and now it seems that some of the obvious components
are not so obvious after all.
Recommendations?
--------
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Cast motorcycle wheels |
12 lb for the wheel including the hub extension.
24 lb with tire.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Cliff,
What's the weight?
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I will be using Suzuki 19" ones. I have made hub extensions
and will be making 10" drum brakes for them.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Parts |
Thanks Peter... you've confirmed some of my suspicions.
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Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Cast motorcycle wheels |
Am I to understand that to mean 48 pounds for just the wheels and tires? I have
no idea if that is reasonable or not... just sounds like a lot to me. Kind of
surprising I guess.
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Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Cast motorcycle wheels |
How much for wire ones?
Clif
>
> Am I to understand that to mean 48 pounds for just the wheels and tires?
> I have no idea if that is reasonable or not... just sounds like a lot to
> me. Kind of surprising I guess.
>
> --------
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245663#245663
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| Subject: | Re: Cast motorcycle wheels |
12# for the rubber tire and tube?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels
12 lb for the wheel including the hub extension.
24 lb with tire.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Cliff,
What's the weight?
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I will be using Suzuki 19" ones. I have made hub extensions
and will be making 10" drum brakes for them.
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