---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/27/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 07:48 AM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Barry Davis) 3. 08:01 AM - Re: Top color - Stewart System (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 08:29 AM - KFLV (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 5. 08:42 AM - Re: KFLV (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 08:49 AM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Rick Holland) 7. 01:12 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (Gary Boothe) 8. 05:12 PM - Re: KFLV (Chet's Mail) 9. 06:03 PM - Re: KFLV (K5YAC) 10. 06:03 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (jimd) 11. 06:11 PM - Re: Urethane on wing ribs (K5YAC) 12. 08:13 PM - Looking for Parts (K5YAC) 13. 08:58 PM - Re: Looking for Parts (Peter W Johnson) 14. 09:09 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Clif Dawson) 15. 09:13 PM - Re: Looking for Parts (K5YAC) 16. 09:59 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (K5YAC) 17. 11:41 PM - Re: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Clif Dawson) 18. 11:53 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (walt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs From: helspersew@aol.com Mark, If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar varnish you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using this system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some sort of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based glues. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:48 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs Dan The answer is yes. We used the spar varnish available at the local Home Depot and it worked great. We put on 2 coats. Be sure to scrape off any drips or runs before you start covering. After covering 6 airplanes with Stewart, I'll never use MEK based stuff again. The top color is another story. Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs Mark, If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar varnish you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using this system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some sort of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based glues. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL. _____ Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Top color - Stewart System From: helspersew@aol.com Barry, Please comment on your experiences with the Stewart top color coats. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:45 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: KFLV I may be sent to Leavenworth, Kansas for a year. NO not the prison, Fort Leavenworth the military base, for a school. Does anyone have any experience with KFLV? I know that it is a military runway with a civilian FBO. This allows the Army to spread some costs and the city of Leavenworth to get acess to a cheap airport. I spoke with the Military flying club manager and he said that they have some group hanger space, but it is tight. He said a guy with a Bonanza may be leaving and I might could have his slot for my Vtail Bonanza. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:45 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: KFLV Isn't that where the president is looking to send the Guantanamo detainees? hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm **************Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs From: Rick Holland Barry What are you guys using to finish paint your fabric and aluminum? Rick On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Barry Davis wrote: > Dan > The answer is yes. We used the spar varnish available at the local Home > Depot and it worked great. We put on 2 coats. Be sure to scrape off any > drips or runs before you start covering. > After covering 6 airplanes with Stewart, I'll never use MEK based stuff > again. The top color is another story. > Barry > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > helspersew@aol.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:29 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs > > Mark, > > If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar > varnish you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using > this system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some > sort of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based > glues. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove IL. > > > ------------------------------ > Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Offto learn how. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:20 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs Barry, What is that ".other story.?" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs Dan The answer is yes. We used the spar varnish available at the local Home Depot and it worked great. We put on 2 coats. Be sure to scrape off any drips or runs before you start covering. After covering 6 airplanes with Stewart, I'll never use MEK based stuff again. The top color is another story. Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Urethane on wing ribs Mark, If you are going to use the Stewart System you can use whatever spar varnish you choose. There are no solvents in the glue. I am currently using this system for my covering. I highly recommend it so far. The glue is some sort of rubber based product that is a dream compared to the MEK based glues. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL. _____ Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:52 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: KFLV Steven, I have flown in and out of there is the C-12 and as a civil pilot, nice airport and some great things to do in and around the Kansas city area. As to there hangers and space there are two large hangers and I have never seen them full, so I would think you would have very little possible damage to your aircraft. Chet KJEF 125nm east. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: KFLV > > > I may be sent to Leavenworth, Kansas for a year. NO not the prison, Fort > Leavenworth the military base, for a school. > > Does anyone have any experience with KFLV? I know that it is a military > runway with a civilian FBO. This allows the Army to spread some costs and > the city of Leavenworth to get acess to a cheap airport. I spoke with the > Military flying club manager and he said that they have some group hanger > space, but it is tight. He said a guy with a Bonanza may be leaving and I > might could have his slot for my Vtail Bonanza. > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KFLV From: "K5YAC" Chet Hartley at KJEF eh? Do you have any family in St. Martins? Just curious... I grew up in that neck of the woods (JCHS class of 90) and had a friend named Roger Hartley. Ok, back to KFLV discussion... -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245637#245637 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Urethane on wing ribs From: "jimd" I like the System3 Clear Coat for an epoxy varnish.. it is really thin, goes on easy (can run a bit). With it you can do the whole rib then when you use some T88 to put on the leading edge wrap it is compatible with it, if you put the wrap on soon you don't have to do anything special, if you wait a few weeks or more you should scuff it so the T88 can get a bite on it. The Stewart Systems stuff doesn't require epoxy varnish, I used it on all the gluing surfaces anyway, just in case a decade from now I want to use something other than Stewart Systems. The rest of the wood inside the wings I went with Minwax Polycrylic.. used it for all kinds of things, it drys fast, is tough and fairly cheap, and doesn't smell like epoxy varnish. Love the look of the System3 clear coat, one of the suppliers had it 3 quarts for $99. I suspect that would be enough to do an entire piet's woodwork. Bought a smaller size and have been trying to make it last. JimD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245636#245636 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Urethane on wing ribs From: "K5YAC" Thanks for all the info... I've got 5 ribs coated with the Minwax urethane. Seems to be going fine... it is thin so it applies easily. I'm also reading about the Stewart System covering. I am quite a ways from being ready to cover anything, but I know virtually nothing about it... so I'll keep reading the instructions, and the mail. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245639#245639 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts From: "K5YAC" I'm studying the plans in order to get as much material on my freight order as I can, especially where completing the wing is concerned. Unfortunately, my lack of experience is getting the best of me. The wing plans call for 325 SF turnbuckles and 13GA hard wire for the drag/anti drag cable installation. So, I'm scouring the Aircraft Spruce catalog (both print and online), but I am unable to find the type of turnbuckle as it is called out. Do I just pick one? Kind of difficult given that there seems to be some variety. I mean, I can pretty much figure out what type ends would be useful, but I'm not even sure what the 325 SF stands for in order to make a comparison. As for 13GA hard wire... I find stranded wire, music wire, safety wire, Inconel wire for cutting, but no single stranded 13GA wire. Is there something else that is used nowadays? Perhaps stranded of another gauge? Also, the smallest thimbles and sleeves they have listed are for 1/16" cable, which is twice the diameter of the recommended 14 and 13GA wire called for in much of the build. Maybe I'm just overlooking these things? Perhaps there are alternatives I am unfamiliar with? I've been goofing around with some of the easier tasks for weeks (wing ribs), and now it seems that some of the obvious components are not so obvious after all. Recommendations? -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245653#245653 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:05 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts Mark, Check out my web site http://www.cpc-world.com. Go to "Aircraft Systems" > "Controls & Brakes". There are details of the turnbuckles, cable etc I used. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts I'm studying the plans in order to get as much material on my freight order as I can, especially where completing the wing is concerned. Unfortunately, my lack of experience is getting the best of me. The wing plans call for 325 SF turnbuckles and 13GA hard wire for the drag/anti drag cable installation. So, I'm scouring the Aircraft Spruce catalog (both print and online), but I am unable to find the type of turnbuckle as it is called out. Do I just pick one? Kind of difficult given that there seems to be some variety. I mean, I can pretty much figure out what type ends would be useful, but I'm not even sure what the 325 SF stands for in order to make a comparison. As for 13GA hard wire... I find stranded wire, music wire, safety wire, Inconel wire for cutting, but no single stranded 13GA wire. Is there something else that is used nowadays? Perhaps stranded of another gauge? Also, the smallest thimbles and sleeves they have listed are for 1/16" cable, which is twice the diameter of the recommended 14 and 13GA wire called for in much of the build. Maybe I'm just overlooking these things? Perhaps there are alternatives I am unfamiliar with? I've been goofing around with some of the easier tasks for weeks (wing ribs), and now it seems that some of the obvious components are not so obvious after all. Recommendations? -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245653#245653 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:23 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels 12 lb for the wheel including the hub extension. 24 lb with tire. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Cliff, What's the weight? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- I will be using Suzuki 19" ones. I have made hub extensions and will be making 10" drum brakes for them. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for Parts From: "K5YAC" Thanks Peter... you've confirmed some of my suspicions. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245658#245658 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels From: "K5YAC" Am I to understand that to mean 48 pounds for just the wheels and tires? I have no idea if that is reasonable or not... just sounds like a lot to me. Kind of surprising I guess. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245663#245663 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:44 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels How much for wire ones? Clif > > Am I to understand that to mean 48 pounds for just the wheels and tires? > I have no idea if that is reasonable or not... just sounds like a lot to > me. Kind of surprising I guess. > > -------- > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245663#245663 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:21:00 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:08 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels 12# for the rubber tire and tube? walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels 12 lb for the wheel including the hub extension. 24 lb with tire. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Cliff, What's the weight? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- I will be using Suzuki 19" ones. 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