---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/28/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:07 AM - Brodhead dates (Gene Rambo) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: Brodhead dates (Jack Phillips) 3. 05:23 AM - wire wheel weights (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 06:08 AM - Re: wire wheel weights (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 5. 08:27 AM - Re: Brodhead dates (Roman Bukolt) 6. 09:23 AM - Re: Looking for Parts (Bill Church) 7. 09:46 AM - Re: Looking for Parts (Jack Phillips) 8. 10:50 AM - Slightly off topic - Pictures from Chino (chase143) 9. 10:56 AM - Re: Looking for Parts (K5YAC) 10. 11:21 AM - Re: Slightly off topic - Pictures from Chino (K5YAC) 11. 01:51 PM - Brodhead (Will42) 12. 02:11 PM - Re: Brodhead (John Hofmann) 13. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (walt) 14. 02:49 PM - Fw: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels-pics (walt) 15. 03:11 PM - Re: Brodhead (Jack Phillips) 16. 04:07 PM - Re: Brodhead dates (Ryan Mueller) 17. 05:03 PM - Re: Brodhead (amsafetyc@aol.com) 18. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: KFLV (Chet's Mail) 19. 06:00 PM - Re: Looking for Parts (TriScout) 20. 06:32 PM - Re: Looking for Parts (TriScout) 21. 08:37 PM - Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Mark Roberts) 22. 09:09 PM - Re: Cast motorcycle wheels (Clif Dawson) 23. 09:10 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Gary Boothe) 24. 09:41 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Mark Roberts) 25. 10:37 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:11 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates Can someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead this year, I need it quickly to arrange for the days off! Thanks, Gene ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates Hi Gene, Brodhead is Friday, July 24 - Sunday, July 26. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates Can someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead this year, I need it quickly to arrange for the days off! Thanks, Gene ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:35 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wire wheel weights Over the years, I've talked to everybody I could who actually had wire wheels, and weighed a bunch myself. There are many variables such as alloy vs steel rims, number of plys in the tire, brakes, no brakes etc, etc. The lightest wheels, without brakes I've weighed or heard about was 18lbs for one wheel, tire, tube with bushings installed. 24 lbs is about the heaviest I've heard of, especially if this doesn't include brakes. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:02 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wire wheel weights What is the average weight of wheels and tires for "Cub style" gear? Brian SLC, UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wire wheel weights Over the years, I've talked to everybody I could who actually had wire wheels, and weighed a bunch myself. There are many variables such as alloy vs steel rims, number of plys in the tire, brakes, no brakes etc, etc. The lightest wheels, without brakes I've weighed or heard about was 18lbs for one wheel, tire, tube with bushings installed. 24 lbs is about the heaviest I've heard of, especially if this doesn't include brakes. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:04 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates Correction! I believe, this year it is Thursday through Saturday because of the early departure to EAA on Sunday. R. Bukolt NX20795 On May 28, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > Hi Gene, > > Brodhead is Friday, July 24 ' Sunday, July 26. > > Jack Phillips > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates > > Can someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead this year, I need > it quickly to arrange for the days off! > > Thanks, > > Gene > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:48 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts From: "Bill Church" Mark, Most builders today use aircraft cable rather than the hard wire called for in the plans. If you choose to use hard wire, you'll probably need to make quite a few practice fittings to get the hang of working with solid wire. Also, be very careful not to nick or damage the wire, as this could lead to failure of the wire. I'm not sure where you're getting your info regarding wire gages. You say 1/16" (.062") cable is TWICE the diameter of 14GA or 13GA wire? I think if you check again, you'll see that isn't the case. Wire gages can be confusing because there are several different systems. For that reason, it is becoming common practice today to refer to the actual diameter in decimal inches or millimeters. Back in 1929, when the plans were drawn up, people used gages to denote wire thicknesses, but rarely would specify which system of wire gages they were referring to. Probably the most commonly used wire gage system today is the American Wire Gage (AWG) - but that is for copper wire, and is based on electrical resistivity. Do not use AWG for steel wires. Typically steel wires available today would be either US Steel Wire Gage or British Standard Wire Gage. For either of these, 13GA is approximately 0.092" and 14GA is approximately 0.080" diameter. As you can see, these are both considerably BIGGER than 1/16". Here is a handy link to some old documents regarding soild wires in aircraft use. http://www.flitzerbiplane.com/PianoWire.shtml And, from the same website, here's a step-by-step run-through of one builder's method of fabricating wire ends, using music wire and cable thimbles: http://www.flitzerbiplane.com/DragWires.shtml Bill C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:16 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts Mark, Bill is correct when he says most people use stranded aircraft cable. For the drag/anti-drag wires in the wing, I used 1 x 19 stainless cable, with standard AN turnbuckles. I wrapped the cable around thimbles and used Nicopress fittings to secure the cable. Not a fun job. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Parts Mark, Most builders today use aircraft cable rather than the hard wire called for in the plans. If you choose to use hard wire, you'll probably need to make quite a few practice fittings to get the hang of working with solid wire. Also, be very careful not to nick or damage the wire, as this could lead to failure of the wire. I'm not sure where you're getting your info regarding wire gages. You say 1/16" (.062") cable is TWICE the diameter of 14GA or 13GA wire? I think if you check again, you'll see that isn't the case. Wire gages can be confusing because there are several different systems. For that reason, it is becoming common practice today to refer to the actual diameter in decimal inches or millimeters. Back in 1929, when the plans were drawn up, people used gages to denote wire thicknesses, but rarely would specify which system of wire gages they were referring to. Probably the most commonly used wire gage system today is the American Wire Gage (AWG) - but that is for copper wire, and is based on electrical resistivity. Do not use AWG for steel wires. Typically steel wires available today would be either US Steel Wire Gage or British Standard Wire Gage. For either of these, 13GA is approximately 0.092" and 14GA is approximately 0.080" diameter. As you can see, these are both considerably BIGGER than 1/16". Here is a handy link to some old documents regarding soild wires in aircraft use. http://www.flitzerbiplane.com/PianoWire.shtml And, from the same website, here's a step-by-step run-through of one builder's method of fabricating wire ends, using music wire and cable thimbles: http://www.flitzerbiplane.com/DragWires.shtml Bill C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slightly off topic - Pictures from Chino From: "chase143" A friend sent me this link to some incredible war-bird pictures. Thought I would share them. Enjoy. http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/Chino/Chino.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245739#245739 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for Parts From: "K5YAC" Great stuff guys. I feel much more confident I'll be ordering the right stuff with your input. Bill, you are exactly right, I was comparing to AWG. Apples to oranges as they say. I was actually looking at the more rigid 19x1 for the drag/anti drag application, as it states in the literature that it is good for that purpose. Thanks again guys! -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245741#245741 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slightly off topic - Pictures from Chino From: "K5YAC" Great pics. Thanks for sharing. As a veteran of the 82nd Airborne Division, I especially likes the reenactment photos. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245745#245745 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: "Will42" Maybe a dumb question but, exactly where is Brodhead? Are there tent camping facilities for drive ins? Thanks......... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245757#245757 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:07 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Here is a map, sort of. Due west of Janesville, WI. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On May 28, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Will42 wrote: > > Maybe a dumb question but, exactly where is Brodhead? Are there tent > camping facilities for drive ins? Thanks......... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245757#245757 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:12 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels My wire wheels with tire and tube, and brake drum, was 8 or 9# each. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels > > How much for wire ones? > > Clif > > >> >> Am I to understand that to mean 48 pounds for just the wheels and tires? >> I have no idea if that is reasonable or not... just sounds like a lot to >> me. Kind of surprising I guess. >> >> -------- >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245663#245663 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 18:21:00 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:58 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels-pics Bought the rims, Harley Davidson spokes, I have part number if anyone needs it. Made the hubs on my Harbor Freight mini-lathe. JC Whitney tires and tubes walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "walt" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels > My wire wheels with tire and tube, and brake drum, was 8 or 9# each. > walt evans > NX140DL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clif Dawson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:41 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cast motorcycle wheels > > >> >> How much for wire ones? >> >> Clif >> >> >> >>> >>> Am I to understand that to mean 48 pounds for just the wheels and tires? >>> I have no idea if that is reasonable or not... just sounds like a lot to >>> me. Kind of surprising I guess. >>> >>> -------- >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245663#245663 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 18:21:00 >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:00 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Brodhead is just north of the Illinois state line, south of Madison. Tent camping is allowed and there are limited shower facilities (usually cold). They charge you $10 to camp there. There is a pork chop dinner on Saturday night - buy the tickets early or they will run out. It's the best two or three days of the entire year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Maybe a dumb question but, exactly where is Brodhead? Are there tent camping facilities for drive ins? Thanks......... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245757#245757 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates From: Ryan Mueller You are correct: http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html Ryan On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Roman Bukolt wrote : > Correction! I believe, this year it is Thursday through Saturday because > of the early departure to EAA on Sunday. > R. Bukolt NX20795 > On May 28, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > Hi Gene, > > Brodhead is Friday, July 24 ' Sunday, July 26. > > Jack Phillips > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo > *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:56 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates > > Can someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead this year, I need it > quickly to arrange for the days off! > > Thanks, > > Gene > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: amsafetyc@aol.com And definitely an event worth top billing ------Original Message------ From: Jack Phillips Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: May 28, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Brodhead is just north of the Illinois state line, south of Madison. Tent camping is allowed and there are limited shower facilities (usually cold). They charge you $10 to camp there. There is a pork chop dinner on Saturday night - buy the tickets early or they will run out. It's the best two or three days of the entire year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Maybe a dumb question but, exactly where is Brodhead? Are there tent camping facilities for drive ins? Thanks......... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245757#245757 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:11 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: KFLV Mark, Sorry we are transplants from Ohio 21 years now. Chet ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KFLV > > Chet Hartley at KJEF eh? Do you have any family in St. Martins? Just > curious... I grew up in that neck of the woods (JCHS class of 90) and had > a friend named Roger Hartley. > > Ok, back to KFLV discussion... > > -------- > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245637#245637 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for Parts From: "TriScout" I found alot of good tips on making those little parts from this site from Germany. I may refer to this site when I come to a point where I need an answer. www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245810#245810 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for Parts From: "TriScout" Probably should have posted this forum w/ same guy making turnbuckles. I believe he'll sell them, but not sure on the price. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/replica-aircraft/32129-fts-projects-13.html Lar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245813#245813 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? From: Mark Roberts Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotionally to the Piet by various =91conflicting desires=92: wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno=85 I live in Fresno CA where summer temps ar e often in the high 90=92s-100=92s and a plexiglass cockpit needs much coolin g), side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul=85). So, why was it I didn=92t want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn=92t I want to bu ild a Piet? So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of California that might be building Piets. I=92m 6=924, 250 lbs (but hey, I =92m dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24=94 =85 Cramped? Thanks! Mark ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:32 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cast motorcycle wheels It's tubeless. I checked again and it's 12#. It's a 100/90 X 19 4ply. This came with the wheel and will be replaced before flight. The other wheel had no tire and I want both the same. Clif 12# for the rubber tire and tube? walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Mark, There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com ), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. Obviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in mine. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotionally to the Piet by various 'conflicting desires': wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno. I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are often in the high 90's-100's and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cooling), side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul.). So, why was it I didn't want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn't I want to build a Piet? So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of California that might be building Piets. I'm 6'4, 250 lbs (but hey, I'm dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24". Cramped? Thanks! Mark ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? From: Mark Roberts Thanks Gary! I might take you up on that sometime. We try to get up to Reno or Tahoe during the summer months, but this year might be too full already. Graduating Seniors (twin daughters) this year and bunches of family stuff, but I'd like to sit in a Piet to test my size verses the 24" width. Andrew Piet dropped me a note yesterday saying that the width could be made wider with no problem, and that (and my leg room) are the biggest concerns. I pla n to make the longest fuse design, and to use a Corvair engine. Will eventually look for a core and Wynne's book on building one, but I gotta ge t the plans first. I am selling my Corbin Jr Ace, Corbin Baby Ace, and Pober Jr. Ace plans, as well as my Dragonfly II plans (once thought faster glass was the ticket...). In fact, I need to post them on Barnstormers.com tonight... Thank you for the heads up on the builds. I am in Tulare frequently with my job, so I might see if I can connect with Mike. I hope to be knee deep in wood this summer... :o) Mark On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Mark, > > > There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacrament o > (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almos t > on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. Obviously, Mike is closest and monit ors > this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in mine. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (13 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Roberts > *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? > > > Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and > consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Pie t > was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have > emotionally to the Piet by various =91conflicting desires=92: wanting an > enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno=85 I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are > often in the high 90=92s-100=92s and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cool ing), > side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at th e > scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I > plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul=85). > > > So, why was it I didn=92t want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build > something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time a s I > have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. > > > Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn=92t I want to > build a Piet? > > > So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of > California that might be building Piets. I=92m 6=924, 250 lbs (but hey, I =92m > dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24=94 =85 > Cramped? > > > Thanks! > > > Mark > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:10 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Make a cockpit mockup from lumberyard stuff. You can mess with it to your hearts content very cheaply. It will tell you all you need to know. You may even have enough scrap material already. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Roberts To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Thanks Gary! I might take you up on that sometime. We try to get up to Reno or Tahoe during the summer months, but this year might be too full already. Graduating Seniors (twin daughters) this year and bunches of family stuff, but I'd like to sit in a Piet to test my size verses the 24" width. Andrew Piet dropped me a note yesterday saying that the width could be made wider with no problem, and that (and my leg room) are the biggest concerns. I plan to make the longest fuse design, and to use a Corvair engine. Will eventually look for a core and Wynne's book on building one, but I gotta get the plans first. I am selling my Corbin Jr Ace, Corbin Baby Ace, and Pober Jr. Ace plans, as well as my Dragonfly II plans (once thought faster glass was the ticket...). In fact, I need to post them on Barnstormers.com tonight... Thank you for the heads up on the builds. I am in Tulare frequently with my job, so I might see if I can connect with Mike. I hope to be knee deep in wood this summer... :o) Mark On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Mark, There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. Obviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in mine. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotionally to the Piet by various =91conflicting desires=92: wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno=85 I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are often in the high 90=92s-100=92s and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cooling), side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul=85). So, why was it I didn=92t want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn=92t I want to build a Piet? So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of California that might be building Piets. I=92m 6=924, 250 lbs (but hey, I=92m dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24=94=85 Cramped? Thanks! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/28/09 18:09:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.