---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/29/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Michael Groah) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Gary Boothe) 4. 08:16 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (899PM) 5. 08:46 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Ed G.) 6. 09:25 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Mark Roberts) 7. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Jim) 8. 11:23 AM - Alternative Woods (Gary Boothe) 9. 01:56 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Bill Church) 10. 03:00 PM - Mecca (Gary Boothe) 11. 03:06 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Rick Holland) 12. 10:34 PM - Re: Jim Malley's Piet (Jim Malley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:37 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Hello Mark.=C2- This is Mike Groah and I'm building in Tulare as Gary men tioned so I'm just down the street. =C2- You're more than welcome to come see my project or contact me with any questions.=C2- I'll try my best to show you what I've done and others on this list can fill in the gaps or sh ow you other ways to do it.=C2- There is also another gentleman named Jorge who is building a piet in Hanfo rd (he follows this list as well)=C2- and there is a flying piet (short f use A65) that is based at the Woodlake airport.=C2- I can put you in touc h with them also if you so desire.=C2- Mike Groah Tulare CA dskogrover@yahoo.com 559 684 8781 --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMa rk, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AThere is one in Tulare =0A(Mike Groah, almost on it s gear), one in Sacramento =0A(Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com),=0Aone i n Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its=0Agear), and mine, near Auburn .=0AO bviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to ta ke=0Aa drive up North and sit in mine. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AGary Booth e =0A=0ACool, Ca. =0A=0APietenpol =0A=0AWW Corvair Conversion =0A=0ATail=0A done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear =0A=0A(13 ribs down) =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Rob erts =0ASent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36=0APM =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone=0Abuilding near Fresno/Clovis CA? =0A=0A =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AFinally, after many differing, often waffling, years of =0Athought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice t o build=0Aa Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious dr aw I have=0Aemotionally to the Piet by various =98conflicting desires =99: wanting=0Aan enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno I live in F resno CA where summer temps=0Aare often in the high 90=99s-100 =99s and a plexiglass cockpit needs=0Amuch cooling), side by side seating ( but I like to look out both sides of the=0Afuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last=0Alonger (but I plan to hanger an ything I build for the long haul). =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0ASo, why was it I didn=99t want to build a Piet? I want=0Ato fly slow, build somet hing wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a=0Abit at a time as I h ave money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of=0Atime. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ARound shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why=0Adidn =99t I want to build a Piet? =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0ASo, I am fully in, an d looking for others in the central=0A valley of=0A California that might b e building Piets.=0AI=99m 6=994, 250 lbs (but hey, I=99m dieting) and am curious about=0Athe size of the width of the plane at 24 =9D Cramped? =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0AThanks! =0A=0A=C2- =0A=0AMark =0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp: //forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:29 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Mark, Although mine is far from completion, its a wide body Piet. That's right, I added some width to the fuse and now its 27 inches wide inside dimension. Thats not the hard part,adding width. The hard part comes when you go beyond the basic fuse and begin to construct the other shapes that make up the various radius components and what was a simple radius becomes a series of compound curves to create the instrument panel boards, seat backs and the ever important turtle deck. One of the more challenging, non structural cosmetic parts of my Piet. As I have heard it said, seen it written by the sage Michael Cuy, "its you r airplane". Loosely and perhaps verbosely translated: the good news about the Piet is its plans build and subject to any and all reasonable and unreasonable modifications depending upon the builder. The bad new is you can modify it to your hearts content. You just have to be ready to pay the penalties of creativity and experimentation. There again; "Its your airplane", so enjo y the adventure. It took the words of another wise and not too old sage, my 24 year old college student son, to remind me that the process is more about the journ ey than the destination so enjoy it. You'll be a sawdust junkie in no time fo r which your spouse or significant other if not a supporter, will have litt le toleration and much disdain for your newly developed ambitions and a love for your newly developed wood working skills. Its all about compromises and trade offs, hmmm is that what powered flight is all about? John **************Discover the variety of Bisquick=AE mix. Get Recipes & Savin gs 0126575x1222831871x1201491818/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2F clk%3B215225813%3B37274670%3Be%3Fhttp:%2F%2 Frecipes.bisquick.bettycrocker.com%3FESRC%3D971) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:24 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Mark, This is where I am at, after just one year (and the tail was built first). I travel 3-4 days a week, so only get to work on weekends, plus I have landscaped the front yard and remodeled 2 rooms.point is: If you're any kind of Wood Butcher, your project will progress quickly. So far I have about 340 hours in mine. The wood is all Poplar, locally purchased, at a fraction of the price of AC Spruce. Mine is not wider, but I did make it 1" deeper than the plans (I wanted to sit lower in the fuse). Many builders alter the cockpits to suit themselves, including adjusting the instrument panel forward, or building the seat back to recline more. I hope to see you, or hear of your progress. Don't forget to check out Chris Tracy's web sight, www.westcoastpiet.com . Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Thanks Gary! I might take you up on that sometime. We try to get up to Reno or Tahoe during the summer months, but this year might be too full already. Graduating Seniors (twin daughters) this year and bunches of family stuff, but I'd like to sit in a Piet to test my size verses the 24" width. Andrew Piet dropped me a note yesterday saying that the width could be made wider with no problem, and that (and my leg room) are the biggest concerns. I plan to make the longest fuse design, and to use a Corvair engine. Will eventually look for a core and Wynne's book on building one, but I gotta get the plans first. I am selling my Corbin Jr Ace, Corbin Baby Ace, and Pober Jr. Ace plans, as well as my Dragonfly II plans (once thought faster glass was the ticket...). In fact, I need to post them on Barnstormers.com tonight... Thank you for the heads up on the builds. I am in Tulare frequently with my job, so I might see if I can connect with Mike. I hope to be knee deep in wood this summer... :o) Mark On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Mark, There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com ), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. Obviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in mine. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotionally to the Piet by various 'conflicting desires': wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno. I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are often in the high 90's-100's and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cooling), side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul.). So, why was it I didn't want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn't I want to build a Piet? So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of California that might be building Piets. I'm 6'4, 250 lbs (but hey, I'm dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24". Cramped? Thanks! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? From: "899PM" Mark, Please e-mail me (mike_cushway "at" trekbikes "dot" com. concerning the Jr Ace plans. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245896#245896 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:19 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Nice job Gary...Looks great..I like the turtle deck mods=2C they are very s imilar to mine. Ed Grentzer Fl. From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Mark=2C This is where I am at=2C after just one year (and the tail was built first) . I travel 3-4 days a week=2C so only get to work on weekends=2C plus I hav e landscaped the front yard and remodeled 2 rooms=85point is: If you=92re any kind of Wood Butcher=2C your project will progress quickly. So far I ha ve about 340 hours in mine. The wood is all Poplar=2C locally purchased=2C at a fraction of the price of AC Spruce. Mine is not wider=2C but I did make it 1=94 deeper than the plans (I wanted to sit lower in the fuse). Many builders alter the cockpits to suit themse lves=2C including adjusting the instrument panel forward=2C or building the seat back to recline more. I hope to see you=2C or hear of your progress. Don=92t forget to check out Chris Tracy=92s web sight=2C www.westcoastpiet.com. Gary Boothe Cool=2C Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done=2C Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday=2C May 28=2C 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Thanks Gary! I might take you up on that sometime. We try to get up to Reno or Tahoe during the summer months=2C but this year might be too full alrea dy. Graduating Seniors (twin daughters) this year and bunches of family stu ff=2C but I'd like to sit in a Piet to test my size verses the 24" width. A ndrew Piet dropped me a note yesterday saying that the width could be made wider with no problem=2C and that (and my leg room) are the biggest concern s. I plan to make the longest fuse design=2C and to use a Corvair engine. W ill eventually look for a core and Wynne's book on building one=2C but I go tta get the plans first. I am selling my Corbin Jr Ace=2C Corbin Baby Ace =2C and Pober Jr. Ace plans=2C as well as my Dragonfly II plans (once thoug ht faster glass was the ticket...). In fact=2C I need to post them on Barns tormers.com tonight... Thank you for the heads up on the builds. I am in Tulare frequently with my job=2C so I might see if I can connect with Mike. I hope to be knee deep i n wood this summer... :o) Mark On Thu=2C May 28=2C 2009 at 9:10 PM=2C Gary Boothe w rote: Mark=2C There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah=2C almost on its gear)=2C one in Sacrame nto (Chris Tracy=2C www.westcoastpiet.com)=2C one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer =2C almost on its gear)=2C and mine=2C near Auburn. Obviously=2C Mike is cl osest and monitors this list=2C but you are welcome to take a drive up Nort h and sit in mine. Gary Boothe Cool=2C Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done=2C Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down=85) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday=2C May 28=2C 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Finally=2C after many differing=2C often waffling=2C years of thought and c onsternation=2C I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotio nally to the Piet by various =91conflicting desires=92: wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno=85 I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are often in the high 90=92s-100=92s and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cooling)=2C side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery=2C otherwise=2C why not drive?)=2C and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul=85). So=2C why was it I didn=92t want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow=2C bui ld something wooden not sheet metal=2C something I can build a bit at a tim e as I have money=2C and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap)=2C why didn=92t I want to build a Piet? So=2C I am fully in=2C and looking for others in the central valley of Cali fornia that might be building Piets. I=92m 6=924=2C 250 lbs (but hey=2C I =92m dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24 =94=85 Cramped? Thanks! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lista>ht tp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics .comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto rial_Storage1_052009 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:00 AM PST US From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Hey Mike! Did you enjoy the thunder and lightning show last night? We sat on the microsized front lawn an watched it until the rain started. Not used to thunderstorms here. Reminded me of North Carolina... I am often thru the Tulare area as I work with a medical company that works with the hospital there. I'm excited someone 'local' (ok, and hour and fifteen minutes away) is building one! I hope to get my plans soon and I'll be looking for wood. I am looking into other options than spruce, as I am not flush with money! Gary said something about poplar, and I know fir is an options as well. I look forward to chatting with you sometime by phone. Thanks for touching base! Mark Roberts 559.917.5904 On May 28, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > Hello Mark. This is Mike Groah and I'm building in Tulare as Gary > mentioned so I'm just down the street. You're more than welcome to > come see my project or contact me with any questions. I'll try my > best to show you what I've done and others on this list can fill in > the gaps or show you other ways to do it. > There is also another gentleman named Jorge who is building a piet > in Hanford (he follows this list as well) and there is a flying > piet (short fuse A65) that is based at the Woodlake airport. I can > put you in touch with them also if you so desire. > > Mike Groah > Tulare CA > dskogrover@yahoo.com > 559 684 8781 > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Gary Boothe wrote: > > From: Gary Boothe > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 9:10 PM > > Mark, > > > There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in > Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com), one in Santa Rosa > (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn . Obviously, > Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to take > a drive up North and sit in mine. > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down) > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? > > > Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and > consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build > a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw > I have emotionally to the Piet by various =98conflicting desires=99: > wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno I live in Fresno CA where > summer temps are often in the high 90=99s-100=99s and a plexiglass > cockpit needs much cooling), side by side seating (but I like to loo > k out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not driv > e?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything > I build for the long haul). > > > So, why was it I didn=99t want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, bu > ild something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at > a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the te > st of time. > > > Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn=99t I want > to build a Piet? > > > So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of > California that might be building Piets. I=99m 6=994, 250 lbs (but > hey, I=99m dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the > plane at 24=9D Cramped? > > > Thanks! > > > Mark > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lisk" href="http://forums.matronics.com > ">http://forums.matronics.com > ========= > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:52 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Hi Mark, Gary Boothes Piet is being made from Poplar and mine is being made from Douglas Fir. For me Doug Fir is available from a local lumber yard who let me and my friend select the boards we wanted. They had a good selection of quarter sawn tight grain boards. Good luck on building the Piet and I think you said a Corvair motor. Mine also has a Corvair and is complete less a few parts ordered from William Wynne. Cheers, Jim Boyer Santa Rosa On May 29, 2009, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mike! Did you enjoy the thunder and lightning show last night? We sat on the microsized front lawn an watched it until the rain started. Not used to thunderstorms here. Reminded me of North Carolina... I am often thru the Tulare area as I work with a medical company that works with the hospital there. I'm excited someone 'local' (ok, and hour and fifteen minutes away) is building one! I hope to get my plans soon and I'll be looking for wood. I am looking into other options than spruce, as I am not flush with money! Gary said something about poplar, and I know fir is an options as well. I look forward to chatting with you sometime by phone. Thanks for touching base! Mark Roberts559.917.5904 On May 28, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Michael Groah wrote: Hello Mark. This is Mike Groah and I'm building in Tulare as Gary mentioned so I'm just down the street. You're more than welcome to come see my project or contact me with any questions. I'll try my best to show you what I've done and others on this list can fill in the gaps or show you other ways to do it. There is also another gentleman named Jorge who is building a piet in Hanford (he follows this list as well) and there is a flying piet (short fuse A65) that is based at the Woodlake airport. I can put you in touch with them also if you so desire. Mike Groah Tulare CA dskogrover@yahoo.com 559 684 8781 --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Mark, There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn . Obviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in mine. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotionally to the Piet by various conflicting desires: wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are often in the high 90s-100s and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cooling), side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul). So, why was it I didnt want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didnt I want to build a Piet? So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of California that might be building Piets. Im 64, 250 lbs (but hey, Im dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24 Cramped? Thanks! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lisk" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:52 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alternative Woods Mark, Since you are looking at alternatives, here is a page out of AC43.13 (good to have on the shelf). Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Hey Mike! Did you enjoy the thunder and lightning show last night? We sat on the microsized front lawn an watched it until the rain started. Not used to thunderstorms here. Reminded me of North Carolina... I am often thru the Tulare area as I work with a medical company that works with the hospital there. I'm excited someone 'local' (ok, and hour and fifteen minutes away) is building one! I hope to get my plans soon and I'll be looking for wood. I am looking into other options than spruce, as I am not flush with money! Gary said something about poplar, and I know fir is an options as well. I look forward to chatting with you sometime by phone. Thanks for touching base! Mark Roberts 559.917.5904 On May 28, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Michael Groah < dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Mark. This is Mike Groah and I'm building in Tulare as Gary mentioned so I'm just down the street. You're more than welcome to come see my project or contact me with any questions. I'll try my best to show you what I've done and others on this list can fill in the gaps or show you other ways to do it. There is also another gentleman named Jorge who is building a piet in Hanford (he follows this list as well) and there is a flying piet (short fuse A65) that is based at the Woodlake airport. I can put you in touch with them also if you so desire. Mike Groah Tulare CA dskogrover@yahoo.com 559 684 8781 --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Mark, There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn . Obviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in mine. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Piet was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have emotionally to the Piet by various 'conflicting desires': wanting an enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno. I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are often in the high 90's-100's and a plexiglass cockpit needs much cooling), side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at the scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (but I plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul.). So, why was it I didn't want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, build something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn't I want to build a Piet? So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of California that might be building Piets. I'm 6'4, 250 lbs (but hey, I'm dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24". Cramped? Thanks! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lisk" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:33 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? From: "Bill Church" Is it just an optical illusion, or is the rear turtledeck curved slightly (humpback)? If so, that looks interesting. And, by the way, Gary, is that all you've managed to get done in a whole year? Obviously you must waste at least a couple of hours sleeping each night. Seriously, though, that's impressive progress for one year of building. You've built the tail, got your fuselage on Jenny-style gear, with metal fittings installed ... wow. And from the looks of your photo, you're doing really nice work. Looks like a pushrod connected to your elevator bellcrank? Bill C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:03 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mecca Bill, You are very observant.and thank you for the compliments. I do not exaggerate that I go to sleep every night and wake up every morning thinking about my Piet project. It's probably the reason why I'm getting other stuff done at home.work before play. The "humpback" was a spur of the moment decision and I honestly haven't decided how much I like it; except that it may detract from the slender beauty of the drawings. My only hope is to somehow manage to earn a spot next to all of you accomplished builders and flyers... but now that you have brought this out in the open, I am in danger of being spotted out with the GN1's (not that there's anything wrong with a GN1). I took a page or two out of Peter's web site, www.cpc-world.com , and incorporated a simple push rod to the bellcrank. I have not mentioned this at all as it is obviously not flight tested. In fact, I have a feeling that, in order to be truly baptized in to the world of Pietenpol builders (besides completing and flying one), one must make the journey to the Mecca at Broadhead. The time has come for me to make that journey and I have been cleansing my soul by removing from my office walls all those pictures of PT-22's, B-17's, Spitfires, etc.; and replacing with Pietenpol drawings and photo's, interlaced with Corvair engine pics. Also allowed are propeller drawings and photos, based on Dan Helsper's excellent work. .must be pure... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? Is it just an optical illusion, or is the rear turtledeck curved slightly (humpback)? If so, that looks interesting. And, by the way, Gary, is that all you've managed to get done in a whole year? Obviously you must waste at least a couple of hours sleeping each night. Seriously, though, that's impressive progress for one year of building. You've built the tail, got your fuselage on Jenny-style gear, with metal fittings installed ... wow. And from the looks of your photo, you're doing really nice work. Looks like a pushrod connected to your elevator bellcrank? Bill C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? From: Rick Holland Mark If 24" is too narrow for you many have built their fuselages several inches wider. Mine is a long fuse with a Corvair and 26" wide fuselage (outside measurement). Also bulding a mock fuselage is an excellent idea, as Bingeli s recommends. (Attached a pic). Rick On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote : > Thanks Gary! I might take you up on that sometime. We try to get up to Re no > or Tahoe during the summer months, but this year might be too full alread y. > Graduating Seniors (twin daughters) this year and bunches of family stuff , > but I'd like to sit in a Piet to test my size verses the 24" width. Andre w > Piet dropped me a note yesterday saying that the width could be made wide r > with no problem, and that (and my leg room) are the biggest concerns. I p lan > to make the longest fuse design, and to use a Corvair engine. Will > eventually look for a core and Wynne's book on building one, but I gotta get > the plans first. I am selling my Corbin Jr Ace, Corbin Baby Ace, and Pobe r > Jr. Ace plans, as well as my Dragonfly II plans (once thought faster glas s > was the ticket...). In fact, I need to post them on Barnstormers.com > tonight... > > Thank you for the heads up on the builds. I am in Tulare frequently with my > job, so I might see if I can connect with Mike. I hope to be knee deep in > wood this summer... :o) > > Mark > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : > >> Mark, >> >> >> >> There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramen to >> (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, >> almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. Obviously, Mike is closest a nd >> monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and sit in >> mine. >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> Cool, Ca. >> >> Pietenpol >> >> WW Corvair Conversion >> >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >> (13 ribs down=85) >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Roberts >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:36 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? >> >> >> >> Finally, after many differing, often waffling, years of thought and >> consternation, I have firmly decided that the first choice to build a Pi et >> was the right one after all. I have avoided the obvious draw I have >> emotionally to the Piet by various =91conflicting desires=92: wanting an >> enclosed cockpit (why? I dunno=85 I live in Fresno CA where summer temps are >> often in the high 90=92s-100=92s and a plexiglass cockpit needs much coo ling), >> side by side seating (but I like to look out both sides of the fuse at t he >> scenery, otherwise, why not drive?), and a metal skin to last longer (bu t I >> plan to hanger anything I build for the long haul=85). >> >> >> >> So, why was it I didn=92t want to build a Piet? I want to fly slow, buil d >> something wooden not sheet metal, something I can build a bit at a time as I >> have money, and has been a proven design lasting the test of time. >> >> >> >> Round shoulders (shrug) and flat forehead (slap), why didn=92t I want to >> build a Piet? >> >> >> >> So, I am fully in, and looking for others in the central valley of >> California that might be building Piets. I=92m 6=924, 250 lbs (but hey, I=92m >> dieting) and am curious about the size of the width of the plane at 24 =94=85 >> Cramped? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> a> http://forums.matronics.com >> _blank"> http://www.matronics.com /contribution >> * >> >> > * > =========== w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:21 PM PST US From: "Jim Malley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim Malley's Piet These were some of the photos taken by Jim Koepnick in preparation for a Sport Aviation article which never materialized. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Malley's Piet Could someone please post the pic of Jim's airplane here? I don't recall ever seeing it. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? 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