Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 05/31/09


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 01:59 AM - Pietenpol 912 (colliewobbles)
     2. 06:45 AM - Re: Pietenpol 912 (Ed G.)
     3. 08:36 AM - Re: Pietenpol 912 (Bill Church)
     4. 09:16 AM - Seat back angle (Bill Church)
     5. 10:23 AM - Re: Seat back angle (Will42)
     6. 12:10 PM - Re: Seat back angle (Jack Phillips)
     7. 12:12 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Darrel Jones)
     8. 12:40 PM - Pietenpol at Petaluma (Darrel Jones)
     9. 01:38 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Mark Roberts)
    10. 01:50 PM - Re: Seat back angle ()
    11. 05:11 PM - Re: Brodhead/ Oshkosh planning (emchair@aol.com)
    12. 06:53 PM - 80th Anniversary Fly-in (gcardinal)
    13. 07:12 PM - Re: Seat back angle (Rick Holland)
    14. 07:22 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Jeff Boatright)
    15. 07:45 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (gcardinal)
    16. 09:17 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Roman Bukolt)
    17. 09:20 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Mark Roberts)
    18. 09:24 PM - Re: Seat back angle (Mark Roberts)
    19. 11:09 PM - Re: Seat back angle (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:59:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Pietenpol 912
    From: "colliewobbles" <glen@ballooning.fsnet.co.uk>
    Does anybody have details of a pietenpol rotax 912 engine mount? Best wishes Glen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246104#246104


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    Time: 06:45:51 AM PST US
    From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Pietenpol 912
    That will have to be a looooooong motor mount. But=2C I belive it uses a be d style mount so maybe the Corvair mount cound be modified to work. That's what I did for my Franklin bed mount and it worked out great. Ed G. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol 912 > From: glen@ballooning.fsnet.co.uk > Date: Sun=2C 31 May 2009 01:58:34 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > net.co.uk> > > Does anybody have details of a pietenpol rotax 912 engine mount? > > Best wishes > Glen > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246104#246104 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto rial_Storage1_052009


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    Time: 08:36:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Pietenpol 912
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    There is at least one flying example of a "Piet" with a 912 for power. I believe it's actually a GN-1, and it was built by a fellow in Germany named Jorg Turner. There used to be a bunch of photos available on the UK Pietenpol Club website, but that site is currently being redesigned, and very few pictures are there now. Here's a link to a site that has some information about the plane - but everything's in German, so good luck with that. http://www.biplanes.de/bilderserien/aircamper/index.php Bill C. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of colliewobbles Sent: Sun 31/05/2009 4:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol 912 <glen@ballooning.fsnet.co.uk> Does anybody have details of a pietenpol rotax 912 engine mount? Best wishes Glen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246104#246104


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    Time: 09:16:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Seat back angle
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    I've now got my "mockpit" to the stage that I can sit in it, and one thing I feel I need to do is change the angle of the seat back. It is too vertical for me (maybe in part because I'm 6'-2"). I know that this is an alteration that many have done already, so I know it can be done. What I'm wondering is, for those that have made this change, did you move the bottom edge of the seatback forward, or did you move the top edge rearward? And how much did you move it? And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing. I hate making changes, but I do need to fit in my plane. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246161#246161


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    Time: 10:23:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back angle
    From: "Will42" <will@cctc.net>
    You might take a look at the tube fuselage drawing; the rear seat is layed back a whopping 4" over the wood frame. Could never figure why unless for a tall guy. Just remember that laying the seat back not only changes the CG, it also make for less vision over the side and forward and for me it is a very uncomfortable position; I don't like being buried in a cockpit. Do the mock-up and decide what suits you. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246180#246180


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    Time: 12:10:44 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Seat back angle
    Bill, I added 2" of rearward rake to the seatback by incorporating a wedge of styrofoam behind the temperfoam. The wedge is 2" thick at the bottom, tapering to a point at each side at the top of the seat. If I had it to do over, (I did not build a mockpit -probably should have), I would move the top of the seat back about 2", leaving the bottom where it is. I would change the uprights and diagonals to fit this new configuration. The reason to shift the top back, rather than the bottom forward, is that if you are 6'2" as I am, your legs are probably pretty long. I had to enlarge the cutouts in the front seat bulkhead for my shins. I regret having lost 2" of legroom to get the seat angle to a comfortable level. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle I've now got my "mockpit" to the stage that I can sit in it, and one thing I feel I need to do is change the angle of the seat back. It is too vertical for me (maybe in part because I'm 6'-2"). I know that this is an alteration that many have done already, so I know it can be done. What I'm wondering is, for those that have made this change, did you move the bottom edge of the seatback forward, or did you move the top edge rearward? And how much did you move it? And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing. I hate making changes, but I do need to fit in my plane. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246161#246161


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    Time: 12:12:10 PM PST US
    From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
    Subject: Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
    Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in > Sacramento (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com > <http://www.westcoastpiet.com/>), one in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost > on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. Obviously, Mike is closest and > monitors this list, but you are welcome to take a drive up North and > sit in mine. > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (13 ribs down) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There's also Walt Bowe's in Sonoma at Schellville/Sonoma Valley Airport. His is original with tail skid and Model A. A beautiful airplane. I also have a couple of fuselage sides hanging in the garage. They were glued up with Aerolite and are probable 20+ years old but you're welcome to look at them if you want. Darrel Jones, Sonoma, CA


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    Time: 12:40:41 PM PST US
    From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
    Subject: Pietenpol at Petaluma
    I forgot about the flying Pietenpol at Petaluma Airport. Email Gary McDonald to get contact information for Lauren Williams. Darrel Jones, Sonoma, CA (about 12 miles from Petaluma) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Poker Run 09 From: mcdonaldpools@yahoo.com <tdmcgaw@pacbell.net> CC: Paul Spongberg <kspongberg@gmail.com>, Tom O'Neill <tom@avionllc.com> Dear Friends, I want to thank everyone for all their hard work and your wiliness to have fun! Bright sunny day, at least 25 members of the "Spongberg family, close to 30 airplanes going to 7 airports, with Lauren Williams setting a new record of 8 hours 34 minutes and 6 seconds in his Pietinpole! Marc Ashton and Ed Steiger took a break from promoting and buying grocery's for this event, by passing out cards at Sky park and Lampson Field, joining these "troupers" was Roger Willis and his Stearman in Healdsburg, Lenny Ball-bearing and Marc Osborne in Davis, Nina Ortega and Joe Debnar at Nut Tree, Steve Klett assisted Ed and took some great photos and "last but not least",Janero Souza and Phil "Big Papa" Pieri maned Ukiah, but not before doing a 100 hour check on their airplane, they did it in record time, 6 hours flat!.........................thank you all for your support and wiliness to witness all these "Bad Landings"! My favorite Uncle, Don Smith and "Country cousin", Bob Patterson, once again worked magic on the BBQ, simply the best chicken O69 has ever produced! Everyone pitched in, helping with setup and serving, epically, Joan, Kathy, Tawna, Cindy and Pat, thanks again! We gave "Our Leader" Joe Pittelkow a well deserved day off, so what did he do? he went and won the $200 first prize, is that legal!.............worse yet, we weren't paying close attention to Uncle Don and he went and won the $100 second prize, he felt bad for being "creative" and donated the money for the "find Rick Joseph fund" and Cindy Picket came in 3rd place and a $50 winner, she said it was the first time that she has won anything, besides Don! Peggy Bakker was 4Th and will surly win something next year at our 3rd annual "Spongberg Family Poker Run 2010"! After all this fun and foolishness our club even made about $50 according to "Fast Eddy the Banker", if you have any ideas for next year's Run, or complaints, Please let Marc know! and a special thanks to our member at large, Mike Glose for forming a phone tree along with Ed and Marc and reminding all of you to come on out! My other "Sidekick" Jessie, enjoyed all the pet's and chicken and Say's that he loves you too, Gary PS. I'm trying to say something nice about my "Daddy" D-Wayne, but nothing comes to mind! and Happy Birthday Dave "The Historian" Traversi!


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    Time: 01:38:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
    From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Hey Darrel, Thanks for the heads up. I'd like to make a trip up there to see the sides, maybe as I get further along in the process... I think I might have sold my Dragonfly plans, and the Jr. Ace plans, so I am off to order the Piet plans , and then I will be looking at getting started in earnest. I am so glad there are so many people on the list that are active and helpful. It does seem to me to put into perspective Bernard Pietenpol and how he did all of this on his own, and with little education in the 'right ways' of doing stuff. I mean, if you really think about it, with all we kno w today about aeronautics, a simple, down to earth guy building a flying machine out of wood in the mid west designing a plane we are all attracted to (to the point of blood, sweat and lotsa beer) today in 2009 is QUITE an accomplishment. AND, to top it off, to actually fly it with no training and live many years to tell about it.... And he obviously did not have the ability to write a bunch of like minded folks and ask questions like we do. Quite a statement indeed about the man himself, and the people of his era that blazed the trail we get to follow in. Geez, what a sappy guy I am today! Anyway, thanks for the help and offer! Mark On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com> wrote: > > Gary Boothe wrote: > >> >> Mark, >> >> There is one in Tulare (Mike Groah, almost on its gear), one in Sacramen to >> (Chris Tracy, www.westcoastpiet.com <http://www.westcoastpiet.com/>), on e >> in Santa Rosa (Jim Boyer, almost on its gear), and mine, near Auburn. >> Obviously, Mike is closest and monitors this list, but you are welcome t o >> take a drive up North and sit in mine. >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> Cool, Ca. >> >> Pietenpol >> >> WW Corvair Conversion >> >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >> (13 ribs down=85) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > There's also Walt Bowe's in Sonoma at Schellville/Sonoma Valley Airport. > His is original with tail skid and Model A. A beautiful airplane. > > I also have a couple of fuselage sides hanging in the garage. They were > glued up with Aerolite and are probable 20+ years old but you're welcome to > look at them if you want. > > Darrel Jones, > Sonoma, CA > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 01:50:10 PM PST US
    From: <catdesigns@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Seat back angle
    Bill, you need to consider your shoulder and head weight as I think that is a key factor as to how much the CG will move rearward. I'm 6'-1" 165# with not a lot of brains in my head or mass in my shoulders so moving the top of the seat back should not change my CG much. I sunk the rear seat down as far as I could and moved the top of it back 1-inch. I changed the diagonal brace to match the new angle. I also raised the turtledeck to the top of my shoulders for seatbelts. Seems comfortable enough for me. If I were to do it again I might make the fuselage slightly deeper so my body fits inside a little more. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle > <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > I've now got my "mockpit" to the stage that I can sit in it, and one thing > I feel I need to do is change the angle of the seat back. It is too > vertical for me (maybe in part because I'm 6'-2"). > I know that this is an alteration that many have done already, so I know > it can be done. What I'm wondering is, for those that have made this > change, did you move the bottom edge of the seatback forward, or did you > move the top edge rearward? And how much did you move it? And did you > change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top > edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact > on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would > shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing. > I hate making changes, but I do need to fit in my plane. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246161#246161 > > >


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    Time: 05:11:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brodhead/ Oshkosh planning
    From: emchair@aol.com
    Hey Guys... Sorry I'm so late in answering this email.? I haven't figured out exactly how I'm going to work the Brodhead/OSH trip.? Because of work I may not be able to leave until Thursday mid afternoon.? If the weather stays good I may be able to get there Friday afternoon.? Of course the weather doesn't always work out just the way we'd like!? I plan to join the group to OSH on Sunday morning.? Make a bee-line for home early Tuesday morning.? Shad, I'd really like to travel with the barnstormers, but I just can't take the time off and leave that early.? We are planning to take a couple weeks off at the end of June for a vacation, I guess ya just can't do it all.? Last I heard from Andrew the hayfield gathering was going to be fairly low key this year.? I think they were going to drop in on them but I don't think the Dirksen's were planning to do a whole lot.? Andrew was worried that with all the publicity they received that it might get too big, so they thought maybe they should take a year off.? Shad we should keep in touch and maybe we can do some of this trip together. Talk to you later! Don -----Original Message----- From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 7:22 pm Subject: Brodhead/ Oshkosh planning Guys,? Do any of you midwest,?Dixie, or?Ohio area piet guys know what your plans are for the trip up and back to brodhead, oshkosh, such as dates, routes etc.? I believe we plan on leaving on the thursday about 1st light, the a.m.?before B-Head, flying to OSH on sun, and head back to Ohio on tues morning.? If this would match up with any of your plans let me know, I am looking for a barnstorming wingman for the trip up and possibly back.? And also can anyone tell me the date of the Indiana "Hayfield" Fly-In?? Talk to ya all later. ? Shad


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    Time: 06:53:44 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
    Guys, I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh. I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing to help on the ground at Oshkosh. Please give me name and N-number. Thanks, Greg Cardinal


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    Time: 07:12:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back angle
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    I also moved the top of the seat back 2" and lowered the back of the seat bottom as low as possible on the lower longeron. Also raised the turtle deck height two inches which raised the slot for the shoulder belts. Rick On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:50 PM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote: > > Bill, > > you need to consider your shoulder and head weight as I think that is a key > factor as to how much the CG will move rearward. I'm 6'-1" 165# with not a > lot of brains in my head or mass in my shoulders so moving the top of the > seat back should not change my CG much. I sunk the rear seat down as far as > I could and moved the top of it back 1-inch. I changed the diagonal brace > to match the new angle. I also raised the turtledeck to the top of my > shoulders for seatbelts. Seems comfortable enough for me. If I were to do > it again I might make the fuselage slightly deeper so my body fits inside a > little more. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:15 AM > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle > > >> billspiet@sympatico.ca> >> >> I've now got my "mockpit" to the stage that I can sit in it, and one thing >> I feel I need to do is change the angle of the seat back. It is too vertical >> for me (maybe in part because I'm 6'-2"). >> I know that this is an alteration that many have done already, so I know >> it can be done. What I'm wondering is, for those that have made this change, >> did you move the bottom edge of the seatback forward, or did you move the >> top edge rearward? And how much did you move it? And did you change the >> truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top edge rearward >> makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact on the available >> leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would shift the CG of the >> pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing. >> I hate making changes, but I do need to fit in my plane. >> >> Bill C. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246161#246161 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado


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    Time: 07:22:26 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
    Greg, We plan to fly the Piet up to B'head and OSH. What type of help is needed on the ground at OSH? I'm happy to help. Jeff >Guys, > >I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th >Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who >is planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh. >I would also like to include a current list of people who are >willing to help on the ground at Oshkosh. > >Please give me name and N-number. > >Thanks, > >Greg Cardinal -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision


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    Time: 07:45:44 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
    Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-inGround help could include hauling gear from Brodhead to Oshkosh so the planes can fly light, helping park the planes, carrying gear from the planes to the camping area, etc... A couple of people have already offered to help with these chores, a few more would be appreciated. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-in Greg, We plan to fly the Piet up to B'head and OSH. What type of help is needed on the ground at OSH? I'm happy to help. Jeff Guys, I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh. I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing to help on the ground at Oshkosh. Please give me name and N-number. Thanks, Greg Cardinal -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision


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    Time: 09:17:27 PM PST US
    From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
    Roman Bukolt NX20795 and Bill Rewey NX17WR On May 31, 2009, at 8:45 PM, gcardinal wrote: > Guys, > > I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th > Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who > is planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh. > I would also like to include a current list of people who are > willing to help on the ground at Oshkosh. > > Please give me name and N-number. > > Thanks, > > Greg Cardinal > >


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    Time: 09:20:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
    From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    I have an old link to the BPA website and it no longer works. Does anyone have the link to the buckeye Piet site? Thanks! Mark On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:45 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote: > *Guys,* > ** > *I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th > Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is > planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh.* > *I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing to > help on the ground at Oshkosh.* > ** > *Please give me name and N-number.* > ** > *Thanks,* > ** > *Greg Cardinal* > > * > >


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    Time: 09:24:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back angle
    From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    At 6'4", two hundred and-more-than-it-should-be, I will take your advice and build a mock up first. I want to both fly and enjoy the comfort of my plane at the same time... Thanks for the advice. 'Mockpit and fake engine noise' first on the to do list after receiving the plans... Mark On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote: > pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Bill, > > I added 2" of rearward rake to the seatback by incorporating a wedge of > styrofoam behind the temperfoam. The wedge is 2" thick at the bottom, > tapering to a point at each side at the top of the seat. If I had it to do > over, (I did not build a mockpit -probably should have), I would move the > top of the seat back about 2", leaving the bottom where it is. I would > change the uprights and diagonals to fit this new configuration. > > The reason to shift the top back, rather than the bottom forward, is that > if > you are 6'2" as I am, your legs are probably pretty long. I had to enlarge > the cutouts in the front seat bulkhead for my shins. I regret having lost > 2" of legroom to get the seat angle to a comfortable level. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Church > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:16 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle > > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > I've now got my "mockpit" to the stage that I can sit in it, and one thing > I > feel I need to do is change the angle of the seat back. It is too vertical > for me (maybe in part because I'm 6'-2"). > I know that this is an alteration that many have done already, so I know it > can be done. What I'm wondering is, for those that have made this change, > did you move the bottom edge of the seatback forward, or did you move the > top edge rearward? And how much did you move it? And did you change the > truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top edge > rearward > makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact on the available > leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would shift the CG of > the > pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing. > I hate making changes, but I do need to fit in my plane. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246161#246161 > >


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    Time: 11:09:19 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Seat back angle
    I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking it apart and putting it back together a number of times I finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2". It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit as this is what the seat back is attached to and it is also an integral part of the airframe that holds it square. Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises I wish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentioned is just how close your nose is to the instrument panel. Seven years down the road my eyes could use that extra inch. :-) Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixty six year old body! An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don't know the relative proportions but I don't think there's as much of your mass in your head as you think. Unless you get called "Fathead" a lot :-), which, by the way, since the brain is mostly fat, is a true compliment. I've also raised both the cowling and turtle deck 2". Since I'm 5'8" this means that bringing the shoulder harness out 1/4" under the top of the deck makes a reasonable angle that won't compress my spine should I whack something nose first. If your worried that you may sit too low, well, that's what cushions are for. You can always add more of the things but the reverse only goes so far. Right? I'm not so sure sitting on that double pulley would be much fun after the first couple of rotations though :-) You can also move the rudder bar forward too. This would give you a teeny bit more foreward CG. Remember, those legs are heavy! One way to tell your most comfortable back angle is to look at the seat in your car. What angle do you have that set at? Also move the seat foreward to what you think is equivalent to your position in the Piet and go for a Sunday drive. Maybe even put a board up the seatback. won't take long before your body starts telling you things. I'm not sure I'd wear my helmet and goggles though. :-) Clif, Firewall and engine mount done. No bird soars too high If he soars on his own wings William Blake Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle > <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing. > Bill C.




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