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1. 12:03 AM - Re: Seat back angle (walt)
2. 04:04 AM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Jack)
3. 04:06 AM - Re: Seat back angle (Ryan Michaels)
4. 04:47 AM - Will 18" Wheels work? (rameses32)
5. 05:21 AM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (Jack Phillips)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Jack Phillips)
7. 05:59 AM - 80th anniversary fly-in (Lawrence Williams)
8. 06:31 AM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (Jeff Boatright)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Bill Church)
10. 08:02 AM - Re: Seat back angle (Bill Church)
11. 08:13 AM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
12. 10:01 AM - Re: 80th anniversary fly-in (gcardinal@comcast.net)
13. 10:03 AM - Re: 80th anniversary fly-in (Jack Phillips)
14. 10:45 AM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Skip Gadd)
15. 10:48 AM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (Skip Gadd)
16. 11:59 AM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (walt)
17. 12:20 PM - Re: Seat back angle (Mark Roberts)
18. 12:23 PM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (899PM)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (Jeff Boatright)
20. 01:12 PM - First trip to Brodhead (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
21. 01:19 PM - Re: First trip to Brodhead (Gary Boothe)
22. 01:23 PM - My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Jerry Dotson)
23. 01:32 PM - Re: First trip to Brodhead (chase143)
24. 01:32 PM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Gary Boothe)
25. 01:38 PM - off topic-- Ragwing Derby movie.... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
26. 01:50 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
27. 01:53 PM - Re: First trip to Brodhead (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 01:59 PM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
29. 02:00 PM - Re: First trip to Brodhead (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 02:02 PM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Michael Groah)
31. 02:04 PM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (Gary Boothe)
32. 02:16 PM - Re: Pietenpol 912 (Dan Yocum)
33. 02:18 PM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Jack Phillips)
34. 02:24 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Dan Yocum)
35. 02:25 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (Dan Yocum)
36. 04:48 PM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (helspersew@aol.com)
37. 05:13 PM - 80th anniversary fly in (RBush96589@aol.com)
38. 05:53 PM - Prop suggestions (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
39. 07:06 PM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (rameses32)
40. 07:38 PM - Re: Prop suggestions (Dan Yocum)
41. 07:55 PM - Re: 80th anniversary fly-in (gcardinal)
42. 08:04 PM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Dick N.)
43. 08:06 PM - 80th anniversary (Dick N.)
44. 08:35 PM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Mark Roberts)
45. 11:02 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
46. 11:07 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back angle |
Clif,
What engine are you using?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
>I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking it
> apart and putting it back together a number of times
> I finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2".
> It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit as
> this is what the seat back is attached to and it is also
> an integral part of the airframe that holds it square.
> Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises I
> wish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentioned
> is just how close your nose is to the instrument panel.
> Seven years down the road my eyes could use that
> extra inch. :-)
>
> Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixty
> six year old body!
>
> An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don't
> know the relative proportions but I don't think there's
> as much of your mass in your head as you think. Unless
> you get called "Fathead" a lot :-), which, by the way,
> since the brain is mostly fat, is a true compliment.
>
> I've also raised both the cowling and turtle deck 2".
> Since I'm 5'8" this means that bringing the shoulder
> harness out 1/4" under the top of the deck makes a
> reasonable angle that won't compress my spine should
> I whack something nose first.
>
> If your worried that you may sit too low, well, that's
> what cushions are for. You can always add more of
> the things but the reverse only goes so far. Right?
> I'm not so sure sitting on that double pulley would
> be much fun after the first couple of rotations though :-)
>
> You can also move the rudder bar forward too. This
> would give you a teeny bit more foreward CG.
> Remember, those legs are heavy!
>
> One way to tell your most comfortable back angle is
> to look at the seat in your car. What angle do you have
> that set at? Also move the seat foreward to what you
> think is equivalent to your position in the Piet and
> go for a Sunday drive. Maybe even put a board up the
> seatback. won't take long before your body starts
> telling you things. I'm not sure I'd wear my helmet and
> goggles though. :-)
>
> Clif, Firewall and engine mount done.
>
> No bird soars too high
> If he soars on his own wings
> William Blake
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
>
>
>> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>>
> And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that
> moving the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it
> would
> not impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) -
> However,
> it would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good
> thing.
>> Bill C.
>
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| Subject: | 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Greg,
I can assist with ground duties. Planning to drive the motor home to
Brodhead then Oshkosh.
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
Guys,
I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th
Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is
planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh.
I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing to
help on the ground at Oshkosh.
Please give me name and N-number.
Thanks,
Greg Cardinal
05:53:00
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back angle |
William,
-
--------- Dick gave me some good advice about seat and in
strument panel position a few years back, should be in the archives, he mov
ed both. I took an angle finder to church with me to try to get a feel for
the seat angle, I figure if I can sit on some hard oak church pew for an ho
ur I can do it in a Piet.
-
Cliff, -firewall and mount look great. Looks like you are planning on hav
ing the engine tucked up close to the firewall, are you using a heavier tha
n normal engine?
-
Ryan M
--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking it
apart and putting it back together a number of times
I finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2".
It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit as
this is what the seat back is attached to and it is also
an integral part of the airframe that holds it square.
Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises I
wish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentioned
is just how close your nose is to the instrument panel.
Seven years down the road my eyes could use that
extra inch. :-)
Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixty
six year old body!
An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don't
know the relative proportions but I don't think there's
as much of your mass in your head as you think. Unless
you get called "Fathead" a lot :-), which, by the way,
since the brain is mostly fat, is a true compliment.
I've also raised both the cowling and turtle deck 2".
Since I'm 5'8" this means that bringing the shoulder
harness out 1/4" under the top of the deck makes a
reasonable angle that won't compress my spine should
I whack something nose first.
If your worried that you may sit too low, well, that's
what cushions are for. You can always add more of
the things but the reverse only goes so far. Right?
I'm not so sure sitting on that double pulley would
be much fun after the first couple of rotations though :-)
You can also move the rudder bar forward too. This
would give you a teeny bit more foreward CG.
Remember, those legs are heavy!
One way to tell your most comfortable back angle is
to look at the seat in your car. What angle do you have
that set at? Also move the seat foreward to what you
think is equivalent to your position in the Piet and
go for a Sunday drive. Maybe even put a board up the
seatback. won't take long before your body starts
telling you things. I'm not sure I'd wear my helmet and
goggles though. :-)
Clif, Firewall and engine mount done.
No bird soars too high
If he soars on his own wings
- - - - - - - - - - - - - ---William Blake
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
ca>
>
And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that movi
ng the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would no
t impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However, i
t would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing
..
> Bill C.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Will 18" Wheels work? |
I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels, and I am
just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be running an engine
approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making my own hubs and spokes,
I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels instead.?
Charley
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| Subject: | Will 18" Wheels work? |
Hi Charley,
I haven't heard of anyone using 18" wheels, but that means nothing. I have
21 x 3's on mine. Mike Cuy is running 19" wheels on his.
The only problem I could see with the smaller wheels is that you might have
less ground clearance for your prop. Also the prop will be at a lower
position, making it more difficult to hand prop.
You'll likely have a shallower deck angle, meaning the wing won't be fully
stalled in the 3 point position, but that is probably a good thing. Mine
has a 13 degree deck angle, which means I have to flare it almost perfectly
, 1" above the runway to get a perfect landing. Once that wing stalls, it
absolutely stops flying. For that reason, I generally try to wheel land
mine, if carrying passengers.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rameses32
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels, and
I am just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be running
an engine approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making my own hubs
and spokes, I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels instead.?
Charley
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| Subject: | 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Hi Greg,
I'm planning to be there.
Jack Phillips, NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
BTW, I have a radio in mine and can be a flight leader for the flight into
OSH
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
Guys,
I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th
Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is
planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh.
I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing to
help on the ground at Oshkosh.
Please give me name and N-number.
Thanks,
Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | 80th anniversary fly-in |
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more accurate if it was
composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
9. ___________________________ (reserved for other eventualities).
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| Subject: | Re: Will 18" Wheels work? |
Mine are 17", so I don't see why 18" won't work. See them at:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wayne,_bob_anf_jeff.htm
>
>I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5
>wheels, and I am just wondering if they are too small for a
>pietenpol. I'll be running an engine approximately the same weight
>as a Model A. I'm making my own hubs and spokes, I am just wondering
>if I need to use 21x3 wheels instead.?
>Charley
>
>
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| Subject: | 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Mark,
The Buckeye Pietenpol Association no longer exists. The website was
maintained for several years after the newsletter ceased publication,
but sadly is no longer available. There was a lot of good information
archived there.
The BPA newsletter that Greg is referring to is the Brodhead Pietenpol
Association, which was created to continue the tradition and fill the
gap left when the Buckeye Piet Association folded. That website can be
found here:
http://www.pietenpols.org/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back angle |
Thanks to all for the helpful advice.
Pretty much what I had thought before posting my question, but good to get helpful
and entertaining confirmation.
I think will leave the seat bottom where it is, and experiment with tilting back
1", 2", 3" etc till I find what works for me. I think that Jack's 20/20 hindsight
will help me, even if it's too late for Jack. And, now that I think about
it, if one's feet stay put, and the related butt moves forward, the legs will
necessarily bend more, which will, in turn, change the angle between one's legs
and back, which makes the modification less effective.
As for Chris's comment about the weight of head and shoulders, I'll have to weigh
mine to see how heavy they are. I guess if I use the small bottle, it should
weigh less (refer to attached image for visual aid for this weak attempt at
humor). Tilting the seat back slightly probably has less effect on W&B than I
was thinking. As for my particular head, it's hard to say, because I've been
accused of having a head that's empty (which would be quite light) and also of
having a head that's made of rock (which would be quite heavy). And then there's
Clif's comment about being a Fathead (which I'm relieved to hear is actually
a compliment).
Based on my mockpit, I had already decided to increase the depth of my fuselage,
and raising the height of the turtledeck seems to be a pretty common modification
which allows for better ergonomics, especially as related to shoulder strap
installation. I built my mockpit "to the plans", with the idea that I can
add to, or take away as I see fit, but still be able to tell if the original design
works for me.
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall watching Ryan, measuring the seat angle
of the church pews.
And finally, adjusting the truss structure of the fuselage sides to match the seatback
just makes sense. Just wondered if everyone did it or not.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Will 18" Wheels work? |
We're not flying yet, but we are using some old 18 in wheels, left over from my
early racing days. Honda CR500 hubs are 5 in like the plans call for. We're
using the disc brakes from the bike as well.
Jeremy in Dallas
------Original Message------
From: rameses32
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Jun 1, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels, and I am
just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be running an engine
approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making my own hubs and spokes,
I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels instead.?
Charley
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| Subject: | Re: 80th anniversary fly-in |
Hi Larry,
You are correct that a list composed at Brodhead will be more accurate. The
attempt now is to get a list of names in the July newsletter and hope it i
nspires
others who may be undecided to make the trip and join in the fun.
Cheers,
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more accurate if i
t was composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
9. ___________________________ (reserved for other eventualities).
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2-
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MS -
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e -
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | 80th anniversary fly-in |
I haven't been keeping track, Greg. How many do you have so far?
Jack Phillips
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Hi Larry,
You are correct that a list composed at Brodhead will be more accurate. The
attempt now is to get a list of names in the July newsletter and hope it
inspires
others who may be undecided to make the trip and join in the fun.
Cheers,
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more accurate if it
was composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
9. ___________________________ (reserved for other eventualities).
&nbs================
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| Subject: | 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Felix(N4FQ) and I are planning on the trip to C37 and OSH. Most likely leave WV
Wednesday and arrive Brodhead Thursday, could be different cause of weather.
Also I have a half way decent radio.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
Sent: 5/31/2009 9:56:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
Guys,
I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th Anniversary
fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is planning to fly their
Piet to Oshkosh.
I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing to help on
the ground at Oshkosh.
Please give me name and N-number.
Thanks,
Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Will 18" Wheels work? |
Charley, The 18 is fine, the 1.5 seems a little small, mine are 3" and
don't think I would want them any smaller.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: rameses32 <rameses32@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/1/2009 7:50:25 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
>
>
> I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels,
and I am just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be
running an engine approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making my
own hubs and spokes, I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels
instead.?
> Charley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Will 18" Wheels work? |
charley,
I'm using 18" wheels.
Remember that's the rim size. When you add the rubber they'll be about
24/25" OD. Can't imagine using 21" rims,,,the tires would be about 28" OD!!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "rameses32" <rameses32@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
>
> I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels,
> and I am just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be
> running an engine approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making
> my own hubs and spokes, I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels
> instead.?
> Charley
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246266#246266
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back angle |
Thanks for the great detail! I am planning now to do a Mockpit and some CAD
modeling to make sure I get it right for my big frame.
Man, I know what you mean by being 14 in a 60 year old body! I'm only 48 but
I don't look a day over 65! And feel it more and more...
Thanks again. Looking forward to getting my plans!
Mark
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking it
> apart and putting it back together a number of times
> I finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2".
> It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit as
> this is what the seat back is attached to and it is also
> an integral part of the airframe that holds it square.
> Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises I
> wish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentioned
> is just how close your nose is to the instrument panel.
> Seven years down the road my eyes could use that
> extra inch. :-)
>
> Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixty
> six year old body!
>
> An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don't
> know the relative proportions but I don't think there's
> as much of your mass in your head as you think. Unless
> you get called "Fathead" a lot :-), which, by the way,
> since the brain is mostly fat, is a true compliment.
>
> I've also raised both the cowling and turtle deck 2".
> Since I'm 5'8" this means that bringing the shoulder
> harness out 1/4" under the top of the deck makes a
> reasonable angle that won't compress my spine should
> I whack something nose first.
>
> If your worried that you may sit too low, well, that's
> what cushions are for. You can always add more of
> the things but the reverse only goes so far. Right?
> I'm not so sure sitting on that double pulley would
> be much fun after the first couple of rotations though :-)
>
> You can also move the rudder bar forward too. This
> would give you a teeny bit more foreward CG.
> Remember, those legs are heavy!
>
> One way to tell your most comfortable back angle is
> to look at the seat in your car. What angle do you have
> that set at? Also move the seat foreward to what you
> think is equivalent to your position in the Piet and
> go for a Sunday drive. Maybe even put a board up the
> seatback. won't take long before your body starts
> telling you things. I'm not sure I'd wear my helmet and
> goggles though. :-)
>
> Clif, Firewall and engine mount done.
>
> No bird soars too high
> If he soars on his own wings
> William Blake
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
>
>
>> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>>
>> And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that
> moving the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would
> not impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However,
> it would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good
> thing.
>
>> Bill C.
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Will 18" Wheels work? |
The 1932 F&G "original" plans call for a 27" tire. Back then the callout was the
OD of the tire not rim size.
I am running 21" rims with 3" tires.
21" + 3" + 3" = 27".
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Also, the tires are wider than the rims. Depending on the rim design,
I think you can get a 3" wide tire on a 1.5" rim. Ask a cycle shop to
confirm, though.
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| Subject: | First trip to Brodhead |
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| Subject: | First trip to Brodhead |
Brian,
My first trip too! I am staying at a Holiday Inn Express in Beloit,
about 20 miles SE.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First trip to Brodhead
Group,
Making my first trip to Brodhead this year and I am excited about the
trip. My girlfriend loves planes and is a big supporter of the Piet
project and she has agreed to come along. The only catch is she wants a
hotel bed instead of a tent. Any recommendations for a local motel with
a decent bed and hot shower?? Thanks.
Brian
SLC, UT
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| Subject: | My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the ribs. Just
about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and drawing the
metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet and also trying to
figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can be a challenge. The
22 gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds flimsy. Anyone??? I have no plans
for doing wild maneuvers but don't want an uh=oh either.
I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have not
heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me. I had a
Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would creep doing
a mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I see some with
a large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
Jerry Dotson
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Hello Brian,
My back can't take the ground anymore either. My son and I stay at a small hotel
in town. We rent bicycles and ride out to the field, around town, and hit some
trails. It's where I get the exercise I've given up to build my Piet!
http://www.earthridercycling.com/
Steve
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| Subject: | My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
Autocad & waterjet? You mean I didn't have to spend 3 months drawing,
cutting, filing and drilling? I'VE BEEN DUPED....
BTW - I'm using go-kart brakes. I seriously doubt if they're going to
hold...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the ribs.
Just about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and drawing
the metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet and also
trying to figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can be a
challenge. The 22 gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds flimsy.
Anyone??? I have no plans for doing wild maneuvers but don't want an uh=oh
either.
I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have
not heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me. I
had a Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would
creep doing a mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I
see some with a large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
Jerry Dotson
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| Subject: | off topic-- Ragwing Derby movie.... |
of possible interest: http://www.ragwingderby.com/
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| Subject: | 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Mike Cuy N48MC
Can't help on the ground, my staff shall take care of all of those needs.
(yeah right !)
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| Subject: | Re: First trip to Brodhead |
Fyi
Hampton inn in Rockford for us.
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| Subject: | Will 18" Wheels work? |
Frank Pavliga used to have 18" wheels on his until he saw a few of us using taller
wheels
and then ditched them for larger diameters but his 18's worked fine for years and
years.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: First trip to Brodhead |
Builders night out,
A few of us are staying at the Hampton inn in Rockford there is a great
little Italian restaurant in town which we will be going to. Obviously you
are on your own for meals and adult beverages expenses but if you would like
to join in on an Italian meal with all the trimmings you are welcome to
join us.
I will be making the reservation soon so any interested for Saturday night
please let me know how many to add to the reservation.
John
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| Subject: | My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
I'm going to use the cart brakes too and I don't expect them to hold either
.(I'm using the 5" drum brakes)- As for the control horns, they are very
strong if you follow the plans They are two pieces of metal formed and weld
ed together. They are light, strong and easy enough to make.- For my meta
l fittings I drew them up in CAD and used a plasma cutter with a line follo
wing eye at the local adult school to cut out the parts.- That made sure
the parts were identical. - I used my plasma cutter to do other small par
ts as needed.-- Waterjet cut parts would be better, but I could do all
the other without any additional expense.-
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Fuse, wings, tail done.-- Finishing up landing gear.
--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
Autocad & waterjet? You mean I didn't have to spend 3 months drawing,
cutting, filing and drilling? I'VE BEEN DUPED....
BTW - I'm using go-kart brakes. I seriously doubt if they're going to
hold...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotso
n
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the ribs
.
Just about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and drawin
g
the metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet and also
trying to figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can be a
challenge. The 22 gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds flimsy.
Anyone??? I have no plans for doing wild maneuvers but don't want an uh=o
h
either.
I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have
not heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me. I
had a Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would
creep doing a mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I
see some with a large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
Jerry Dotson
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Will 18" Wheels work? |
Ahh, Yes...the result of pier pressure and Wheel Envy...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Frank Pavliga used to have 18" wheels on his until he saw a few of us using
taller wheels
and then ditched them for larger diameters but his 18's worked fine for
years and years.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol 912 |
Bill, Glen,
Sometimes old web versions of web sites past can be found at
http://www.archive.org. For instance:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/.
(aside: I expect to get dope-slapped for the following, but I did find
that the old gregagn-1 site can still be viewed on archive.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gregagn-1.com/).
Also, http://translate.google.com does a passable if somewhat
"interesting" job at translating web pages.
Cheers,
Dan
Bill Church wrote:
> There is at least one flying example of a "Piet" with a 912 for power.
> I believe it's actually a GN-1, and it was built by a fellow in Germany named
Jorg Turner.
> There used to be a bunch of photos available on the UK Pietenpol Club website,
but that site is currently being redesigned, and very few pictures are there
now. Here's a link to a site that has some information about the plane - but
everything's in German, so good luck with that.
>
> http://www.biplanes.de/bilderserien/aircamper/index.php
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of colliewobbles
> Sent: Sun 31/05/2009 4:58 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol 912
>
>
> Does anybody have details of a pietenpol rotax 912 engine mount?
>
> Best wishes
> Glen
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246104#246104
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
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| Subject: | My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
Hi Jerry,
Welcome to the world of Pietnpols, and Pietenpol People!
The .032" (that's the closest you'll find a standard thickness) is plenty
for the contol horns. They look more complicated to make than they are.
Once you form them to the curved shape and weld them together, they are very
strong and rigid, and very light. Some people have used 1/8" thick solid
steel horns, which are easier to make, but are not as "elegant" and weigh a
ton compared to the plans-built version. You'll find edge welding the thin
steel is very easy - just touch it with the torch and the edges sort of flow
together, with very little welding rod (if any) required.
As for brakes on spoked wheels, marginally effective is about the best you
can hope for unless you use a really big disc such as you'd find on a
Harley-Davidson. Airplanes quit using big wheels about the same time they
started using brakes for that reason - it takes a lot of braking to apply
enough torque to stop a big wheel. If it will hold it for the runup, what
more do you need? I've got standard Cleveland brakes with an 8" diameter
disc and they work adequately, but no more than just adequately.
Enjoy the process!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the ribs.
Just about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and drawing
the metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet and also
trying to figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can be a
challenge. The 22 gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds flimsy.
Anyone??? I have no plans for doing wild maneuvers but don't want an uh=oh
either.
I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have
not heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me. I
had a Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would
creep doing a mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I
see some with a large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
Jerry Dotson
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| Subject: | Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Greg,
Pending the pre-purchase inspection this week or next, the
soon-to-be-former-owner of N8031 may make the 1900+ nm trip in time for
Brodhead.
;-)
Dan
gcardinal wrote:
> *Guys,*
> **
> *I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th
> Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who is
> planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh.*
> *I would also like to include a current list of people who are willing
> to help on the ground at Oshkosh.*
> **
> *Please give me name and N-number.*
> **
> *Thanks,*
> **
> *Greg Cardinal*
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in |
Mark,
Try your link at http://www.archive.org if you're looking for a specific
page.
Cheers,
Dan
Mark Roberts wrote:
> I have an old link to the BPA website and it no longer works. Does
> anyone have the link to the buckeye Piet site?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:45 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net
> <mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> *Guys,*
> **
> *I am putting together an article for the BPA newsletter on the 80th
> Anniversary fly-in and I would like to include a current list of who
> is planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh.*
> *I would also like to include a current list of people who are
> willing to help on the ground at Oshkosh.*
> **
> *Please give me name and N-number.*
> **
> *Thanks,*
> **
> *Greg Cardinal*
> ==== "
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I am using the 1" wide band-type brakes. I don't expect them to hold either.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net>
Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 3:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the ribs.
Just about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and drawing the
metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet and also trying to
figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can be a challenge. The 22
gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds flimsy. Anyone??? I have no plans
for doing wild maneuvers but don't want an uh=oh either.
I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have not
heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me. I had a
Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would creep doing
a
mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I see some with a
large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
Jerry Dotson
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| Subject: | 80th anniversary fly in |
Hi Greg,
I plan on being there. Randy Bush NX294RB.
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| Subject: | Prop suggestions |
As it works out I am still able to work on my project, so I am doing the
ADD thing working on the airframe and the engine at the same time. The good
new being I have a consultant mentoring me, he's an A&P, A I with 30 years
in the field. He has a selection of props available which may work.
My question is: what is the best combination of length and pitch for the
Piet powered with a 108 hp lycoming. I am looking for one something that is
pitched for rate of climb rather than cruise performance.
Based upon experience I am looking for suggestions on a prop selection.
Please advise
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Will 18" Wheels work? |
Just measured with tyres, they are 2 3/4" wide and 23" tall.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246400#246400
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| Subject: | Re: Prop suggestions |
John,
I don't have any direct experience with props and engine combinations
(yet), so I'll defer to the experts who will chime in. However, while
Piet shopping in the past few months I ran across the Sensenich
experimental engine/prop combination page:
http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/aircraft_cet/aircraft/experimental.html
There are 3 combinations under the "pietonpol A-65" [sic] combination
row. As well as a couple rows for O-235's on a Long-EZ.
Dan H. will tell you to carve your own. That's what he did and I can
personally attest his prop is beautiful. Just... wow.
Cheers,
Dan
AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> As it works out I am still able to work on my project, so I am doing the
> ADD thing working on the airframe and the engine at the same time. The
> good new being I have a consultant mentoring me, he's an A&P, A I with
> 30 years in the field. He has a selection of props available which may work.
>
> My question is: what is the best combination of length and pitch for the
> Piet powered with a 108 hp lycoming. I am looking for one something that
> is pitched for rate of climb rather than cruise performance.
>
> Based upon experience I am looking for suggestions on a prop selection.
>
> Please advise
>
> Thanks
>
> John
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| Subject: | Re: 80th anniversary fly-in |
We are at 13 so far. No doubt there are others who aren't on the list.
Has anybody heard from, or know the whereabouts of Chuck Gantzer? He
seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
I haven't been keeping track, Greg. How many do you have so far?
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Hi Larry,
You are correct that a list composed at Brodhead will be more
accurate. The attempt now is to get a list of names in the July
newsletter and hope it inspires
others who may be undecided to make the trip and join in the fun.
Cheers,
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
<lnawms@yahoo.com>
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more accurate
if it was composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
9. ___________________________ (reserved for other eventualities).
&nbs================
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
Welcome to the list, Jerry.
You might want to post where you live at some point. You might find others
near by. On the horns, did you notice that there are 2 plys of the 22 ga.
steel with a bend to form a hollow space inside. It is really quite strong.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
>
> The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the
> ribs. Just about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and
> drawing the metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet
> and also trying to figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can
> be a challenge. The 22 gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds
> flimsy. Anyone??? I have no plans for doing wild maneuvers but don't want
> an uh=oh either.
> I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have
> not heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me.
> I had a Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would
> creep doing a mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I
> see some with a large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
>
> Jerry Dotson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246345#246345
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 80th anniversary |
Greg
I am planning on attending. I have a radio and GPS. I am going to get
to Brodhead on Wed or Thur.
Dick N
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| Subject: | Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
Well, have I been here long enough to welcome someone new as well?? I just
arrived about a week ago myself, but am waiting for a couple of people to
use Paypal to pay for some plans I'm selling... Then I can get on with it!
I know you will find the guy (any gals?) on here as nice and helpful as I
have over the last week with all my questions. I'm having to live
vicariously thru all of you all till I can get my plans and start!
I too am planning to translate parts into CAD and have a friend of mine cut
them out with waterjets. We discussed it today, and a professional welder
told me at church this week he'd do all my welding for me... Been at it all
his life. So, the weakest links for me just got taken care of.
Now, where's that engine mechanic who's been working on aircraft Covairs all
his life hiding in my midst.....?
Mark
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wrote:
>
> The plans came in the mail last week. I ordered capstrips to start the
> ribs. Just about 1/2 through with the rib jig. I am studying the plans and
> drawing the metal parts in Autocad so I can get the cut with a waterjet and
> also trying to figure out what and how much 4130 to buy. The plans can be a
> challenge. The 22 gage/0.030 called on the control horns sounds flimsy.
> Anyone??? I have no plans for doing wild maneuvers but don't want an uh=oh
> either.
> I have seen a lot of different kind of brakes on the spoked wheels. I have
> not heard anyone say how effective they are. Brakes are a nemesis for me. I
> had a Luscombe 8A and never got the brakes good enough but what it would
> creep doing a mag check.... forget a static runup without it tied down. I
> see some with a large diameter disc that I feel sure would hold.
>
> Jerry Dotson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246345#246345
>
>
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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