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1. 12:24 AM - Re: Will 18" Wheels work? (gcardinal)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning (Jerry Dotson)
3. 08:18 AM - Gantzer Report (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
4. 08:19 AM - Re: First trip to Brodhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (John Fay)
6. 10:08 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Mark Roberts)
7. 10:26 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Dave Abramson)
8. 10:38 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Jack Phillips)
9. 11:52 AM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Mark Roberts)
10. 12:57 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Michael Groah)
11. 01:17 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Jack Phillips)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Jack Phillips)
13. 02:10 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
14. 02:39 PM - Re: 80th Anniversary Fly-in (shad bell)
15. 03:11 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Jeff Boatright)
16. 03:11 PM - Re: 80th anniversary fly-in (Lagowski Morrow)
17. 03:25 PM - Re: "Bernie" & High flying (Steve Eldredge)
18. 03:31 PM - Re: 80th anniversary fly-in (Scott Knowlton)
19. 03:54 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Michael Groah)
20. 05:55 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Gene & Tammy)
21. 06:24 PM - Re: 80th anniversary fly-in (Jack Phillips)
22. 07:33 PM - Fly-in (Lawrence Williams)
23. 07:34 PM - Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? (Jack Phillips)
24. 10:11 PM - Re: First trip to Brodhead (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: Will 18" Wheels work? |
That is correct, Jeff.
On NX18235 we are using 19 x 1.85 rims. 3.50 tires are mounted on these
rims.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
>
> Also, the tires are wider than the rims. Depending on the rim design, I
> think you can get a 3" wide tire on a 1.5" rim. Ask a cycle shop to
> confirm, though.
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning |
Thanks guys. All I really ask of the brakes is to hold for a mag check and to unlock
the tail wheel.
The waterjet work will not cost a cent. My youngest son (44) does that as well
as machining. His boss is very understanding when it comes to personal projects.
We have small shear and brake, 18 inch lathe and a vertical mill in our shop.
Jerry Dotson
Baker,Fl (near Pensacola)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246429#246429
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Chuck e-mailed me out of the blue about 2 months ago and said he had intent
ions of flying to Bhead/OSH and
was doing well otherwise...just too busy to monitor the list much.
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| Subject: | First trip to Brodhead |
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never mentioned, is
just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach the back of the
pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage begins to narrow about
where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is about two inches narrower
already (22 inches outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the
longerons). When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this,
and he said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the pilot's seat
back, to improve the angle and make it more comfortable. I got the angles
from my most comfortable car (my '86 Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine needs to
go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is move the firewall
forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for the
luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me.
At 6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving
the firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on
storage for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to
romantic getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about
room for a small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will
be most likely to want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a
toothbrush, so any info in that from anyone would be really
interesting to me. I have actually written a script and a show
sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend geyways with a
light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little romantic
getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away from major
markets. My first episode is written (Columbia California, a trip back
in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it was in the 1850's) and
waiting for production capital which has all but dried up. Another
scripted show is the production of "Get your wings" which centers
around the selection and building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any
guesses as to which one? I just have to work the logistics on what to
actually shoot during the build... So much time is head scratching and
thinking, and then the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I
am also aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the
less chance you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never
> mentioned, is just to maintain the full fuselage width until you
> reach the back of the pilot's seat. On the original plans, the
> fuselage begins to narrow about where your knees are, so at your
> shoulders it is about two inches narrower already (22 inches outside
> width, and down to only 20 inches inside the longerons). When I
> first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this, and he said it
> should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's cockpit
> seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
> lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the
> pilot's seat back, to improve the angle and make it more
> comfortable. I got the angles from my most comfortable car (my '86
> Pontiac Parisienne).
>
> We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine
> needs to go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is
> move the firewall forward 4 inches.
> This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for
> the luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
> We will have the fuel in the wing.
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
Hey MARK!
I am building at Santa Maria Airport.... Have the Fuse on the gear. Tail
done.
I am 6'2 so I moved the panel a bit forward, and took out the front seat
completely! Moved the rudder bar forward, and the rest will be storage up
there.
I did not like my face so close to the panel.......
Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:08 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me. At
6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving the
firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on storage
for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to
romantic getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about room
for a small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will be most
likely to want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a toothbrush, so
any info in that from anyone would be really interesting to me. I have
actually written a script and a show sequence for a travel show I hope to
produce on weekend geyways with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would
spotlight little romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a
half away from major markets. My first episode is written (Columbia
California, a trip back in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it was in
the 1850's) and waiting for production capital which has all but dried up.
Another scripted show is the production of "Get your wings" which centers
around the selection and building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as
to which one? I just have to work the logistics on what to actually shoot
during the build... So much time is head scratching and thinking, and then
the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I am
also aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the less
chance you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never mentioned,
is just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach the back of the
pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage begins to narrow about
where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is about two inches narrower
already (22 inches outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the
longerons). When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this,
and he said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the pilot's seat
back, to improve the angle and make it more comfortable. I got the angles
from my most comfortable car (my '86 Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine needs
to go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is move the
firewall forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for the
luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
in Peoria
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
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| Subject: | Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
Just remember that what would be a "quick weekend hop" in any other airplane
becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol. A trip that is an easy 45
minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a Pietenpol. I flew my Piet
from Raleigh to Dulles International Airport near Washington last summer, a
trip that would have been an hour and 20 minutes in the RV-4, and it took
over 4 hours of flying and two fuel stops. Think about that when you are
thinking of cockpit comfort. There are no short trips on a Pietenpol. I
remember the first time I took my wife up in it, she remarked "We've been
flying for over a minute and haven't reached the end of the runway yet". I
told her "It's a 6,000 foot runway and we're doing 50 mph. Do the math."
My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within reason. Mine has
a slightly wider fuselage (1" wider than plans) and leather upholstery over
temperfoam padded seats. I still can't stand to sit in it for more than
about 2 hours at a time (I've got nearly 4 hours fuel on board), and I try
to limit cross country legs to no more than an hour and a half, primarily
for comfort's sake. I have flown mine twice from North Carolina to
Brodhead, and will do it again next month. It's not very comfortable, but
there is nothing that is more fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me. At
6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving the
firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on storage
for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to romantic
getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about room for a
small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will be most likely to
want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a toothbrush, so any info in
that from anyone would be really interesting to me. I have actually written
a script and a show sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend
geyways with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little
romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away from
major markets. My first episode is written (Columbia California, a trip back
in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it was in the 1850's) and waiting
for production capital which has all but dried up. Another scripted show is
the production of "Get your wings" which centers around the selection and
building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as to which one? I just
have to work the logistics on what to actually shoot during the build... So
much time is head scratching and thinking, and then the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I am also
aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the less chance
you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never mentioned, is
just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach the back of the
pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage begins to narrow about
where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is about two inches narrower
already (22 inches outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the
longerons). When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this,
and he said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the pilot's seat
back, to improve the angle and make it more comfortable. I got the angles
from my most comfortable car (my '86 Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine needs to
go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is move the firewall
forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for the
luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
in Peoria
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
I can see your point. I remember the statement "the mind can only
absorb what the seat can endure...". Same with flying....
I went to high school at Apex High right outside of Cary. Small world.
I was in the Civil Air Patrol in Raleigh, and my mom still lives in
Fayetteville. May have to visit sometime and see your plane :-)
Mark
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> Just remember that what would be a =9Cquick weekend hop=9D
in any
> other airplane becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol. A trip t
> hat is an easy 45 minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a
> Pietenpol. I flew my Piet from Raleigh to Dulles International Airp
> ort near Washington last summer, a trip that would have been an hour
> and 20 minutes in the RV-4, and it took over 4 hours of flying and
> two fuel stops. Think about that when you are thinking of cockpit c
> omfort. There are no short trips on a Pietenpol. I remember the fi
> rst time I took my wife up in it, she remarked =9CWe=99ve
been flying
> for over a minute and haven=99t reached the end of the runway
> yet=9D. I told her =9CIt=99s a 6,000 foot runway
and we=99re doing
> 50 mph. Do the math.=9D
>
>
> My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within reason.
> Mine has a slightly wider fuselage (1=9D wider than plans) and
leather
> upholstery over temperfoam padded seats. I still can=99t stand
to si
> t in it for more than about 2 hours at a time (I=99ve got nearly
4 hou
> rs fuel on board), and I try to limit cross country legs to no more
> than an hour and a half, primarily for comfort=99s sake. I have
flown
> mine twice from North Carolina to Brodhead, and will do it again ne
> xt month. It=99s not very comfortable, but there is nothing
that is m
> ore fun.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:08 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
>
>
> Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to
> me. At 6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And
> moving the firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional
> info on storage for small amounts I luggage would be great.
>
>
> I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to
> romantic getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered
> about room for a small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My
> wife will be most likely to want to go somewhere if she can pack
> more than a toothbrush, so any info in that from anyone would be
> really interesting to me. I have actually written a script and a
> show sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend geyways
> with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little
> romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away
> from major markets. My first episode is written (Columbia
> California, a trip back in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it
> was in the 1850's) and waiting for production capital which has all
> but dried up. Another scripted show is the production of "Get your
> wings" which centers around the selection and building of your own
> LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as to which one? I just have to work the
> logistics on what to actually shoot during the build... So much time
> is head scratching and thinking, and then the cutting begins...
>
>
> I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I
> am also aware that the closer you can build to the original plans,
> the less chance you have as a newbie to screw something up.
>
> Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
>
> Mark Roberts
>
> 559.917.5904
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never
>> mentioned, is just to maintain the full fuselage width until you
>> reach the back of the pilot's seat. On the original plans, the
>> fuselage begins to narrow about where your knees are, so at your
>> shoulders it is about two inches narrower already (22 inches
>> outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the longerons).
>> When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this, and he
>> said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
>> cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did
>> weigh 250 lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of
>> the pilot's seat back, to improve the angle and make it more
>> comfortable. I got the angles from my most comfortable car (my '86
>> Pontiac Parisienne).
>>
>>
>>
>> We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine
>> needs to go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is
>> move the firewall forward 4 inches.
>>
>> This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room
>> for the luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's
>> legs.
>> We will have the fuel in the wing.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Fay
>>
>> in Peoria
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> 3D========================
> ========================
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| Subject: | Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
Hey Jack. Can you post a pic of your seats? I'm just curious how you did th
em and what they look like.=C2- How thick is your foam?
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0AJust remember that what would be a =9Cquick=0Aweekend hop
=9D in any other airplane becomes a test of endurance in a=0APietenpol.=C2
- A trip that is an easy 45 minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to=0A2 hour
s in a Pietenpol.=C2- I flew my Piet from Raleigh =0Ato Dulles Internatio
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Well, that might be difficult - the Pietenpol is now in my hangar at Smith
Mountain Lake, Virginia (W91). I still keep my RV-4 at Cox Field, in Apex.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
I can see your point. I remember the statement "the mind can only absorb
what the seat can endure...". Same with flying....
I went to high school at Apex High right outside of Cary. Small world. I was
in the Civil Air Patrol in Raleigh, and my mom still lives in Fayetteville.
May have to visit sometime and see your plane :-)
Mark
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Just remember that what would be a "quick weekend hop" in any other airplane
becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol. A trip that is an easy 45
minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a Pietenpol. I flew my Piet
from Raleigh to Dulles International Airport near Washington last summer, a
trip that would have been an hour and 20 minutes in the RV-4, and it took
over 4 hours of flying and two fuel stops. Think about that when you are
thinking of cockpit comfort. There are no short trips on a Pietenpol. I
remember the first time I took my wife up in it, she remarked "We've been
flying for over a minute and haven't reached the end of the runway yet". I
told her "It's a 6,000 foot runway and we're doing 50 mph. Do the math."
My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within reason. Mine has
a slightly wider fuselage (1" wider than plans) and leather upholstery over
temperfoam padded seats. I still can't stand to sit in it for more than
about 2 hours at a time (I've got nearly 4 hours fuel on board), and I try
to limit cross country legs to no more than an hour and a half, primarily
for comfort's sake. I have flown mine twice from North Carolina to
Brodhead, and will do it again next month. It's not very comfortable, but
there is nothing that is more fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
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owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me. At
6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving the
firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on storage
for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to romantic
getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about room for a
small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will be most likely to
want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a toothbrush, so any info in
that from anyone would be really interesting to me. I have actually written
a script and a show sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend
geyways with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little
romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away from
major markets. My first episode is written (Columbia California, a trip back
in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it was in the 1850's) and waiting
for production capital which has all but dried up. Another scripted show is
the production of "Get your wings" which centers around the selection and
building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as to which one? I just
have to work the logistics on what to actually shoot during the build... So
much time is head scratching and thinking, and then the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I am also
aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the less chance
you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay < <mailto:jfay1950@gmail.com>
jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never mentioned, is
just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach the back of the
pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage begins to narrow about
where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is about two inches narrower
already (22 inches outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the
longerons). When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this,
and he said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the pilot's seat
back, to improve the angle and make it more comfortable. I got the angles
from my most comfortable car (my '86 Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine needs to
go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is move the firewall
forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for the
luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
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I can try. Nearly every time I try to post a picture, it never shows up.
The cushions are 1" firm Temperfoam under 1" of medium Temperfoam, covered
with leather. I bought an entire cowhide from Dan Brown of B&B Aircraft
Supply at Oshkosh several years ago for $100 - it was enough to do both
seats and both cockpit coamings.
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Hey Jack. Can you post a pic of your seats? I'm just curious how you did
them and what they look like. How thick is your foam?
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Just remember that what would be a "quick weekend hop" in any other airplane
becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol. A trip that is an easy 45
minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a Pietenpol. I flew my Piet
from Raleigh to Dulles International Airport near Washington last summer, a
trip that would have been an hour and 20 minutes in the RV-4, and it took
over 4 hours of flying and two fuel stops. Think about that when you are
thinking of cockpit comfort. There are no short trips on a Pietenpol. I
remember the first time I took my wife up in it, she remarked "We've been
flying for over a minute and haven't reached the end of the runway yet". I
told her "It's a 6,000 foot runway and we're doing 50 mph. Do the math."
My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within reason. Mine has
a slightly wider fuselage (1" wider than plans) and leather upholstery over
temperfoam padded seats. I still can't stand to sit in it for more than
about 2 hours at a time (I've got nearly 4 hours fuel on board), and I try
to limit cross country legs to no more than an hour and a half, primarily
for comfort's sake. I have flown mine twice from North Carolina to
Brodhead, and will do it again next month. It's not very comfortable, but
there is nothing that is more fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me. At
6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving the
firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on storage
for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to romantic
getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about room for a
small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will be most likely to
want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a toothbrush, so any info in
that from anyone would be really interesting to me. I have actually written
a script and a show sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend
geyways with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little
romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away from
major markets. My first episode is written (Columbia California, a trip back
in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it was in the 1850's) and waiting
for production capital which has all but dried up. Another scripted show is
the production of "Get your wings" which centers around the selection and
building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as to which one? I just
have to work the logistics on what to actually shoot during the build... So
much time is head scratching and thinking, and then the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I am also
aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the less chance
you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never mentioned, is
just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach the back of the
pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage begins to narrow about
where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is about two inches narrower
already (22 inches outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the
longerons). When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this,
and he said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the pilot's seat
back, to improve the angle and make it more comfortable. I got the angles
from my most comfortable car (my '86 Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine needs to
go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is move the firewall
forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for the
luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
in Peoria
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Jack,
Could you enlighten us on the gadgets and knob on the left side of your
seat? Thanks.
Brian
SLC, UT
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
I can try. Nearly every time I try to post a picture, it never shows
up. The cushions are 1" firm Temperfoam under 1" of medium Temperfoam,
covered with leather. I bought an entire cowhide from Dan Brown of B&B
Aircraft Supply at Oshkosh several years ago for $100 - it was enough to
do both seats and both cockpit coamings.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Hey Jack. Can you post a pic of your seats? I'm just curious how you did
them and what they look like. How thick is your foam?
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Just remember that what would be a "quick weekend hop" in any other
airplane becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol. A trip that is an
easy 45 minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a Pietenpol. I
flew my Piet from Raleigh to Dulles International Airport near
Washington last summer, a trip that would have been an hour and 20
minutes in the RV-4, and it took over 4 hours of flying and two fuel
stops. Think about that when you are thinking of cockpit comfort.
There are no short trips on a Pietenpol. I remember the first time I
took my wife up in it, she remarked "We've been flying for over a minute
and haven't reached the end of the runway yet". I told her "It's a
6,000 foot runway and we're doing 50 mph. Do the math."
My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within reason. Mine
has a slightly wider fuselage (1" wider than plans) and leather
upholstery over temperfoam padded seats. I still can't stand to sit in
it for more than about 2 hours at a time (I've got nearly 4 hours fuel
on board), and I try to limit cross country legs to no more than an hour
and a half, primarily for comfort's sake. I have flown mine twice from
North Carolina to Brodhead, and will do it again next month. It's not
very comfortable, but there is nothing that is more fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me.
At 6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving
the firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on
storage for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to
romantic getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about
room for a small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will be
most likely to want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a
toothbrush, so any info in that from anyone would be really interesting
to me. I have actually written a script and a show sequence for a travel
show I hope to produce on weekend geyways with a light sport plane.
"Weekend Wings" would spotlight little romantic getaway locations just
an hour to an hour and a half away from major markets. My first episode
is written (Columbia California, a trip back in time to a Gold Rush era
town just as it was in the 1850's) and waiting for production capital
which has all but dried up. Another scripted show is the production of
"Get your wings" which centers around the selection and building of your
own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as to which one? I just have to work the
logistics on what to actually shoot during the build... So much time is
head scratching and thinking, and then the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I am
also aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the less
chance you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never
mentioned, is just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach
the back of the pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage
begins to narrow about where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is
about two inches narrower already (22 inches outside width, and down to
only 20 inches inside the longerons). When I first started to build, I
asked Vi Kaplar about this, and he said it should be fine. I have built
a mock-up, and the pilot's cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only
5' 10", but I did weigh 250 lbs., but now down to 220. We have also
moved the top of the pilot's seat back, to improve the angle and make it
more comfortable. I got the angles from my most comfortable car (my '86
Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the
engine needs to go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done
is move the firewall forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room
for the luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
in Peoria
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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Shad here, Dad (Gary Bell) and I plan on being at Brodhead, and I plan on f
lying NX92GB to Osh on sunday, and leave OSH on tues morning.
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Jack,
Is that a trim nob to the left of your seat? If so, how does it work?
Thanks,
Jeff
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I am going to try hard to get to Brodhead and perhaps Oshkosh. It depend
entirely on how my medical marvel wife is doing and whether I can get
someone to stay with her for the duration. I've driven to Brodhead
before the Piet. was finished but am now flying off the FAA 25 hours on
mine. Do I fly around the top of Michigan and down the Dorr peninsula or
just cross Lake Michigan from Ludington, Mi., a leg of about 45 minutes.
That is the question. The Ludington route follows the Ferry route.
Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
We are at 13 so far. No doubt there are others who aren't on the list.
Has anybody heard from, or know the whereabouts of Chuck Gantzer? He
seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
I haven't been keeping track, Greg. How many do you have so far?
Jack Phillips
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Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Hi Larry,
You are correct that a list composed at Brodhead will be more
accurate. The attempt now is to get a list of names in the July
newsletter and hope it inspires
others who may be undecided to make the trip and join in the fun.
Cheers,
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
<lnawms@yahoo.com>
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more
accurate if it was composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
9. ___________________________ (reserved for other eventualities).
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| Subject: | "Bernie" & High flying |
Behind on my reading and it shows. I had my A-65 powered piet up above 10K
several times. In ridge life I made it to 12,200'. Whoever said it was l
ike hanging on a thread was right. It was a very strange feeling. What ma
de it even more weird is that I didn't feel like I could get down. It too
k forever to get back down to 7000' doing steep slipping spirals, left, the
n right. Sheesh I'm still at 9500. The ground is still not moving... mor
e spirals-- made me feel like I was still in control if I could at least m
ake the earth spin. It was cold too. Field elevation was at 4500'.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Funny you should mention the diet, but that is exactly what I am thinking a
lthough I have the Corvair engine and am looking for an O-290! I am 6'-5" a
nd weigh 250 lbs. I am trying to drop to 205 lbs. so I can carry paxs!
Rob
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, AK
(907) 230-9425
KL2AN
Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Rob,
The FAA's definition of service ceiling is the altitude where, at gross wei
ght and max rate of climb, the rate of climb produced is 100 feet per minut
e. Based on that, my Pietenpol's (745 lb empty weight, 65 hp Continental)
service ceiling is just above sea level. At my listed gross weight of 1245
lbs (full fuel, 2 200 lb souls and 10 lbs of baggage), on a hot day I get
right at 100 feet per minute climb. A cool day makes a big difference, as
does ANY lightening of the airframe and/or pilot and passenger. On a coole
r day with me by myself, half tank of fuel and no baggage, I can zoom right
up there at close to 500 fpm. Think of this as the best of all reasons to
go on a diet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
For those of you that have been responding to this just what is the service
ceiling on a Piet with a Model A, Corvair etc. engines?
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Mike C. Check out articles in the Grant McLaren-era BPANewsletters, Jim Van
dervoort, Ed Sampson and other old-timers about how Mr. Pietenpol preferred
to be addressed. If it isn't a big deal to you don't sweat it, the earth i
sn't going to end if you say "Bernie" but I was hoping to instill a bit of
fast-disappearing respect for someone who I consider a pioneer to aviation
history.
Oscar,et al; I had my Piet up to 5,000agl (5350 msl) last fall on a cool da
y (wouldn't go any higher!!) and the feeling I had could only be described
as "eerie and lonely". I also noticed that at idle for the sledride down, t
he controls felt A LOT different than they normally do. I think it must hav
e been due to the lack of torque from the "A" and the resulting off-setting
control input that made it feel a little sloppy. Anyway, I got it up there
and set the central Arkansas record for altitude in Lonoke County for a Fo
rd powered parasol configured tail-dragger, so I don't have to do that ever
again! I think 2,000' will be my limit and 500-1,000 is still going to be
my preferred block.
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Jim, I crossed the lake last year with my boy in our Stinson. That's a long 45
minutes my friend and for quite a long part of it you have no land to look at
in front or behind you. The engine takes on a different sound and things get
just a little spooky. We wore our flotation vests and briefed our actions in
a ditching but the fact is the water in the middle of lake Michigan isn't much
warmer than about 52 degrees F at the end of July. Prospects for survival
even if picked up within an hour are slim.
I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't cross this section of water since the alternative
is a dance through Chicago's teminal area. Just take the trek very seriously
and understand the risks. I cross the lake seven or eight times a month
flying into Chicago for my airline. Nevertheless, when halfway across the
stretch in the stinson my 13 year old boy could sense my agitation and took my
mind off things by playing 20 questions with me! Gotta love the fearlessness
of a teenage boy!
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
I am going to try hard to get to Brodhead and perhaps Oshkosh. It depend entirely
on how my medical marvel wife is doing and whether I can get someone to stay
with her for the duration. I've driven to Brodhead before the Piet. was finished
but am now flying off the FAA25 hours on mine. Do I fly around the top of
Michigan and down the Dorr peninsula orjust cross Lake Michigan from Ludington,
Mi., a leg of about 45 minutes. That is the question. The Ludington route follows
the Ferry route.
Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal <mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
We are at 13 so far. No doubt there are others who aren't on the list.
Has anybody heard from, or know the whereabouts of Chuck Gantzer? He seems to have
fallen off the face of the earth.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
Phillips <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
I havent been keeping track, Greg. How many do you have so far?
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal@comcast.net <mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Hi Larry,
You are correct that a list composed at Brodhead will be more accurate. The attempt
now is to get a list of names in the July newsletter and hope it inspires
others who may be undecided to make the trip and join in the fun.
Cheers,
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more accurate if it was
composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
9. ___________________________ (reserved for other eventualities).
&nbs================
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| Subject: | Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
Thanks for the pictures Jack.=C2- I'd never seen a pic of the inside of y
our plane, but I have a 24x 36" picture of the outside of your plane on the
wall of my classroom.=C2- I tell my students that is how I want my plane
to look.=C2-
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
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=0A=0AI can try.=C2- Nearly every time I try to=0Apost a picture, it neve
r shows up.=C2- The cushions are 1=9D firm Temperfoam under 1
=9D=0Aof medium=C2- Temperfoam, covered with leather.=C2- I bought an e
ntire cowhide from=0ADan Brown of B&B Aircraft Supply at Oshkosh several ye
ars ago for $100 =93 it=0Awas enough to do both seats and both cockpi
t coamings. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0A owner-piet
enpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@mat
ronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Groah
=0ASent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:44=0APM
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List:=0AAnyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Hey Jack. Can you post a pic of you
r seats? I'm just=0A curious how you did them and what they look like.=C2
- How thick is your=0A foam?
=0A
=0A --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jack=0A Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0A wr
ote: =0A
=0A From: Jack Phillips =0A <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
=0A Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
=0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0A Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:25 AM =0A =0A =0A Just remember tha
t what would be a =9Cquick weekend hop=9D in any=0A other airp
lane becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol.=C2- A trip that=0A is a
n easy 45 minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a=0A Pietenpol.
=C2- I flew my Piet from Raleigh =0A to Dulles International =0A Airpor
t near=0A Washington last summer, a trip that would=0A have been an hour a
nd 20 minutes in the RV-4, and it took over 4 hours of=0A flying and two f
uel stops.=C2- Think about that when you are thinking of=0A cockpit comf
ort.=C2- There are no short trips on a Pietenpol.=C2- I=0A remember th
e first time I took my wife up in it, she remarked =9CWe=99ve b
een=0A flying for over a minute and haven=99t reached the end of the
runway=0A yet=9D.=C2- I told her =C2-=9CIt=99s a 6,
000 foot runway and we=99re doing 50=0A mph. Do the math.=9D
=0A =C2- =0A My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within
=0A reason.=C2- Mine has a slightly wider fuselage (1=9D wider tha
n plans) and=0A leather upholstery over temperfoam padded seats.=C2- I s
till can=99t stand to=0A sit in it for more than about 2 hours at a
time (I=99ve got nearly 4 hours fuel=0A on board), and I try to limi
t cross country legs to no more than an hour and=0A a half, primarily for
comfort=99s sake.=C2- I have flown mine twice from=0A North Carolin
a to=0A Brodhead, and will do it again next month.=C2- It=99s not
very comfortable,=0A but there is nothing that is more fun. =0A =C2-
=0A =0AJack Phillips =0A NX899JP =0A =0ARaleigh, NC =0A =C2- =0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A [mail
rts
=0A Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009=0A 1:08 PM
=0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0A Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA
? =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A Thanks for the=0A advice! What you suggested
makes very good sence to me. At 6'4", ANY=0A additional room is equivalent
to more comfort. And moving the firewall=0A forward sounds like a great i
dea. Any additional info on storage for small=0A amounts I luggage would b
e great. =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A I don't plan to=0A do much l
ong range flying, as quick weekend hops to romantic getaways is my=0A ulti
mate goal, but I have long wondered about room for a small bundle of=0A cl
othes and some toiletries. My wife will be most likely to want to go=0A so
mewhere if she can pack more than a toothbrush, so any info in that from=0A
anyone would be really interesting to me. I have actually written a scrip
t=0A and a show sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend ge
yways=0A with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little
=0A romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away fro
m major=0A markets. My first episode is written (Columbia California, a tr
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the selection=0A and building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as
to which one? I just=0A have to work the logistics on what to actually sho
ot during the build... So=0A much time is head scratching and thinking, an
d then the cutting begins... =0A =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A I like th
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re that the=0A closer you can build to the original plans, the less chance
you have as a=0A newbie to screw something up.=C2- =0A =0A =0A Thank
s again for=0A the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas... =0A =0A Mar
k Roberts =0A =0A =0A 559.917.5904 =0A =0A =0A =0A
=0A On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote: =0A
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st never mentioned, is just to maintain=0A the full fuselage width until y
ou reach the back of the pilot's seat.=C2-=0A On the original plans, the
fuselage begins to narrow about where your knees=0A are, so at your shoul
ders it is about two inches narrower already (22 inches=0A outside width,
and down to only 20 inches inside the longerons).=C2- When I=0A first st
arted to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this, and he said it should=0A be
fine.=C2- I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's cockpit seems plenty=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
For my leather, I bought a large full length womans leather coat from
Good Will for $3.00. There was enough there for all my needs.
Worked for me.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
I can try. Nearly every time I try to post a picture, it never shows
up. The cushions are 1" firm Temperfoam under 1" of medium Temperfoam,
covered with leather. I bought an entire cowhide from Dan Brown of B&B
Aircraft Supply at Oshkosh several years ago for $100 - it was enough to
do both seats and both cockpit coamings.
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| Subject: | 80th anniversary fly-in |
I agree completely with Scott. Apart from the "JFK Jr. Effect", where you
lose spatial orientation in the haze over water, the weather around the
Great Lakes can be unpredictable in the summer. In 2007 I flew my RV-4 to
Brodhead, then on to OSH. While there, my wife asked me to fly her to visit
her best friend at Mackinac Island. On the way there we flew more or less
directly across the northern part of Lake Michigan. On the return trip I
elected to follow the shoreline along the U.P. of Michigan, and still got
forced down by unpredicted low ceilings (we were down to 300' AGL before we
landed at Manistique to wait for the clouds to lift). I would not recommend
flying over the lake. It's mighty lonely flying a Pietenpol over the
mountains, but I would take that to flying that far over the water.
If you are too far north to take the southern route, skirting Chicago, I
would fly over St. Ignace (nice airport there - in 2007 while we were there
I saw the Pietenpol from Quebec there as he was heading back home), by way
of Manistique (tell Rudy "Hi" for me), then Manitowoc and Green Bay, Oshkosh
and then Brodhead.
Be sure to mistrust any briefingsyou get from Flight Service - the briefer
that advised me on that trip said it would be 2,000 scattered, 4,000 broken
and 8,000 overcast. It started as 2,000broken and quickly went down to the
deck. When I landed at Manistique, Rudy (the FBO) told me that the weather
usually does that in the summer and everybody knows it - except the briefer
I had from California thatmorning.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Jim, I crossed the lake last year with my boy in our Stinson. That's a
long 45 minutes my friend and for quite a long part of it you have no land
to look at in front or behind you. The engine takes on a different sound
and things get just a little spooky. We wore our flotation vests and
briefed our actions in a ditching but the fact is the water in the middle of
lake Michigan isn't much warmer than about 52 degrees F at the end of July.
Prospects for survival even if picked up within an hour are slim.
I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't cross this section of water since the
alternative is a dance through Chicago's teminal area. Just take the trek
very seriously and understand the risks. I cross the lake seven or eight
times a month flying into Chicago for my airline. Nevertheless, when
halfway across the stretch in the stinson my 13 year old boy could sense my
agitation and took my mind off things by playing 20 questions with me!
Gotta love the fearlessness of a teenage boy!
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
I am going to try hard to get to Brodhead and perhaps Oshkosh. It depend
entirely on how my medical marvel wife is doing and whether I can get
someone to stay with her for the duration. I've driven to Brodhead before
the Piet. was finished but am now flying off the FAA25 hours on mine. Do I
fly around the top of Michigan and down the Dorr peninsula orjust cross
Lake Michigan from Ludington, Mi., a leg of about 45 minutes. That is the
question. The Ludington route follows the Ferry route.
Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal <mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
We are at 13 so far. No doubt there are others who aren't on the list.
Has anybody heard from, or know the whereabouts of Chuck Gantzer? He seems
to have fallen off the face of the earth.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
Phillips <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
I havent been keeping track, Greg. How many do you have so far?
Jack Phillips
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Hi Larry,
You are correct that a list composed at Brodhead will be more accurate. The
attempt now is to get a list of names in the July newsletter and hope it
inspires
others who may be undecided to make the trip and join in the fun.
Cheers,
Greg Cardinal
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From: "Lawrence Williams" <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 80th anniversary fly-in
Seems like the list of participants would be a whole lot more accurate if it
was composed at Brodhead or on arrival at OSH.
In any event, I will attempt to be in attendance in N899LW barring:
1. prop-strike in hayfield.
2. mag crapping out in thunderstorm.
3. bad weather blanketing the center of the nation.
4. Model "A" giving up the ghost on it's 75th birthday.
5. axle bearings siezing.
6. getting lost.
7. finding a better alternative enroute.
8. less than favorable tailwinds.
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Another reminder that there will be a taildragger fly-in in central Arkansa
s (just to the east of LIT) 12-13 June. We're trying to capitalize on the v
accuum that will be left with the demise of the Bartlesville, OK Biplane fl
y-in. Hopefully some of those attendees will see fit to roll their wheels o
n our grass.
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We don't know yet how big the turnout will be as this will be the "first an
nual" but there will be at least one Pietenpol in attendance along with one
current builder and a Pietenpol flyer or two from years gone by.
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Please come and support this so we'll have some ammunition to do it again n
ext year. Think of it as a tune-up for Brodhead!!
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I will have facilities and hangar floor camping available along with transp
ortation to the surrounding area available. There will be a BBQ Friday even
ing, a chapter pancake breakfast Saturday morning-and catering arrangemen
ts are being worked out for other meals.
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That's the pitch! Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississip
pi, Louisiana are all in striking distance.
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The identifier here is 1AR9 and the info on the Country Air Estates website
will give you the particulars.
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| Subject: | Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA? |
The one on the seat is the lever to operate the trim mechanism. The two
ports on the lower part of the seat back are for the headset jacks, and the
switches near the top of the seatback are the remote switches for the ELT.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Jack,
Could you enlighten us on the gadgets and knob on the left side of your
seat? Thanks.
Brian
SLC, UT
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Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
I can try. Nearly every time I try to post a picture, it never shows up.
The cushions are 1" firm Temperfoam under 1" of medium Temperfoam, covered
with leather. I bought an entire cowhide from Dan Brown of B&B Aircraft
Supply at Oshkosh several years ago for $100 - it was enough to do both
seats and both cockpit coamings.
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Hey Jack. Can you post a pic of your seats? I'm just curious how you did
them and what they look like. How thick is your foam?
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Just remember that what would be a "quick weekend hop" in any other airplane
becomes a test of endurance in a Pietenpol. A trip that is an easy 45
minute hop in my RV-4 takes close to 2 hours in a Pietenpol. I flew my Piet
from Raleigh to Dulles International Airport near Washington last summer, a
trip that would have been an hour and 20 minutes in the RV-4, and it took
over 4 hours of flying and two fuel stops. Think about that when you are
thinking of cockpit comfort. There are no short trips on a Pietenpol. I
remember the first time I took my wife up in it, she remarked "We've been
flying for over a minute and haven't reached the end of the runway yet". I
told her "It's a 6,000 foot runway and we're doing 50 mph. Do the math."
My advice is to make it as comfortable as you can, within reason. Mine has
a slightly wider fuselage (1" wider than plans) and leather upholstery over
temperfoam padded seats. I still can't stand to sit in it for more than
about 2 hours at a time (I've got nearly 4 hours fuel on board), and I try
to limit cross country legs to no more than an hour and a half, primarily
for comfort's sake. I have flown mine twice from North Carolina to
Brodhead, and will do it again next month. It's not very comfortable, but
there is nothing that is more fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building near Fresno/Clovis CA?
Thanks for the advice! What you suggested makes very good sence to me. At
6'4", ANY additional room is equivalent to more comfort. And moving the
firewall forward sounds like a great idea. Any additional info on storage
for small amounts I luggage would be great.
I don't plan to do much long range flying, as quick weekend hops to romantic
getaways is my ultimate goal, but I have long wondered about room for a
small bundle of clothes and some toiletries. My wife will be most likely to
want to go somewhere if she can pack more than a toothbrush, so any info in
that from anyone would be really interesting to me. I have actually written
a script and a show sequence for a travel show I hope to produce on weekend
geyways with a light sport plane. "Weekend Wings" would spotlight little
romantic getaway locations just an hour to an hour and a half away from
major markets. My first episode is written (Columbia California, a trip back
in time to a Gold Rush era town just as it was in the 1850's) and waiting
for production capital which has all but dried up. Another scripted show is
the production of "Get your wings" which centers around the selection and
building of your own LSA.... Himmmm, any guesses as to which one? I just
have to work the logistics on what to actually shoot during the build... So
much time is head scratching and thinking, and then the cutting begins...
I like the fact that a basic design can be customized so much, but I am also
aware that the closer you can build to the original plans, the less chance
you have as a newbie to screw something up.
Thanks again for the thoughts! I am indeed hungry for ideas...
Mark Roberts
559.917.5904
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:19 AM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to widen the fuselage, one option, almost never mentioned, is
just to maintain the full fuselage width until you reach the back of the
pilot's seat. On the original plans, the fuselage begins to narrow about
where your knees are, so at your shoulders it is about two inches narrower
already (22 inches outside width, and down to only 20 inches inside the
longerons). When I first started to build, I asked Vi Kaplar about this,
and he said it should be fine. I have built a mock-up, and the pilot's
cockpit seems plenty roomy to me. I am only 5' 10", but I did weigh 250
lbs., but now down to 220. We have also moved the top of the pilot's seat
back, to improve the angle and make it more comfortable. I got the angles
from my most comfortable car (my '86 Pontiac Parisienne).
We are building to the long fuselage plans. But since the engine needs to
go forward to keep the correct W & B, what we have done is move the firewall
forward 4 inches.
This gives much more legroom in the front cockpit, and more room for the
luggage compartment we are building above the passenger's legs.
We will have the fuel in the wing.
John Fay
in Peoria
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We are also at the Hampton.
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