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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Flying an Idea (Ben Charvet)
2. 08:26 AM - Re: Gross weight rating and modifications... (Dick N.)
3. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Donation (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 02:09 PM - Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets (jordanlcarr)
5. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets (airlion@bellsouth.net)
6. 04:41 PM - Bill Emo photo attached (John Egan)
7. 05:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 06/05/09 (Craig Lawler)
8. 05:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 06/05/09 (Craig Lawler)
9. 05:33 PM - group osh arrival plans? (shad bell)
10. 06:19 PM - Re: Flying an Idea (Rick Holland)
11. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 06/05/09 (Mark Roberts)
12. 06:43 PM - Front fuselage covering (Rick Holland)
13. 06:52 PM - Re: group osh arrival plans? (gcardinal)
14. 07:17 PM - Re: group osh arrival plans? (gcardinal)
15. 07:33 PM - Barber Fly-in (Don Emch)
16. 07:41 PM - Corvair vs. O-200 weight comparision (Rick Holland)
17. 07:41 PM - Re: Bill Emo photo attached (Jeff Boatright)
18. 07:41 PM - Re: group osh arrival plans? (Jeff Boatright)
19. 08:02 PM - Re: Corvair vs. O-200 weight comparision (Rick Holland)
20. 08:23 PM - Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets (jordanlcarr)
21. 08:38 PM - Re: group osh arrival plans? (gcardinal)
22. 08:45 PM - Re: Bill Emo photo attached (jordanlcarr)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying an Idea |
Beautiful artwork! I'd definitely like one, so be sure to post ordering
information.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC registration complete!
John Hofmann wrote:
> Fellow Pietephiles:
>
> As Brodhead, that other flyin in Wisconsin and the 80th Celebration
> fast approach, I have started to design my T-Shirts which the "Bratmen
> of Brodhead" will be sporting this year. I thought I would take a stab
> at another design or two for the masses. Let me know if there is any
> interest and I will put them up on CafePress and you can order as many
> as you want to wear. Also I can customize the photo in the middle
> pretty easily if you don't like Mike Cuy. I actually think he is okay
> considering he is one of my greatest friends. Let me know what you
> think or contact me off list at johnnyskyrocket@me.com
> <mailto:johnnyskyrocket@me.com>
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com <mailto:jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Gross weight rating and modifications... |
Great post Jack. I like your suggestions, but wonder a bit about the
effects of adding 6 ft. to the span. On my radial Piet,I made the center
section 1 ft wider and the wing panels to plan which increased the span
by 1 ft. Having said that, in my flight tests, I found a huge
difference in flying at 1250 lbs and 1310 lbs. Even with 110 hp it
struggled a bit. I haven't tried it again with my new prop, built for
climb, but I don't expect that much of a change.
At 1250 lb
empty 810
me 200
pass 170
fuel 70 2/3 tank 108 full
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gross weight rating and modifications...
Mark,
You got a lot of replies but little infornation. I'll try to answer
your questions:
You as the builder can specify whatever gross weight you desire. If
you want to say your Pietenpol can fly at 1400 lbs, nobody can stop you.
I believe the plans say 1050, but that makes it pretty much useless as
a two seat aircraft, since even lightweight Pietenpols tend to weigh in
the 600 - 630 lb range. If your empty weight is 600, by the time you
add a useful amount of fuel (at least 10 gallons) you are up to 660.
You (255) and your wife (150) with full fuel will put you at 1065, and
that is with NO baggage, no handheld radio (unless you included it in
your empty weight). The plane will fly well at that weight.
Mine is one of the heavier Pietenpols at 745 lbs empty. There are a
number of reasons, some of which I would do again (I like having
comfortable seats, and instruments in the front panel - they are easier
for me to read than the ones in the rear panel). I set my gross weight
so that if I flew with full fuel, and myself and my wife I would be
right at gross. With me by myself and full fuel, I'm pretty close to
that 1050 figure, and the plane flies very well.
Empty Wt 745
Full Fuel 90
Me 200
Wife 160
Total - 1195
I set my Gross weight as 1200, but then I did a few basic stress
calculations to convince myself that the wing was actually strong enough
to withstand 4.8 G's (3.2 G's with a 50% safety factor). I feel 1200 is
really pushing it for this airplane. I've flown it at that weight, but
it feels very heavy and won't climb well. At Brodhead, I will not carry
any passenger that weighs over 175 (runway's too short). Fortunately,
that tends to limit my passengers to young attractive females.
If you don't want to lose some weight (and we're not talking 5 lbs
here), then you will need to build your plane as light as possible. I
can give you some suggestions, which may or may not be feasible for you:
1.. Don't make the fuselage any wider. Every inch of extra width
requires more spruce, more plywood, more fabric, and more paint. And
more money.
2.. Add about 4 to 6 feet to the wingspan. That would put it on par
with a Piper Cub, and would decrease the wing loading. The longer wing
will weigh a bit more but will lift a lot more. Six feet would add 20%
to the wing area.
3.. Build the standard fuselage - not the "Long" fuselage. People
will tell you you can't put a Continental on a short fuselage, but
somehow Mike Cuy managed to do so and his Piet (632 lbs) flies very well
and looks beautiful
4.. Build the "Improved" (don't say "Cub-Style", since it predated
the Cub by about 5 years) landing gear, not the straight axle wire wheel
type. The straight axle is heavy, and wire wheels are very strong (and
look cool), but if they were light race cars would still be running
them.
5.. The steel tube fuselage is considerably lighter than the wood
fuselage
6.. Build with sitka spruce, not douglas fir. Fir is stronger, but
heavier. If you use fir, each piece can be resized somewhat smaller to
take advantage of the strength and to try to lose some of the extra
weight. Spruce has the best strength to weight ratio of any wood except
balsa.
7.. Use mahogany instead of birch plywood.
8.. Use Resorcinol instead of T-88. Lighter and stronger, but much
more difficult to use
9.. Use lightweight (uncertified) dacron fabric, not the medium
weight that everyone says you need - not only is the fabric lighter, but
it requires less coating material (whether dope, polybrush or whatever
the Stewart System uses). For Heaven's sake, don't use polyurethane
paint (60 lbs of my plane's 745 lbs are in paint). Walt Evans used the
lightweight fabric on his, and his plane is the lightest Piet I know of
(595 lbs).
10.. Obviously, avoid adding radios, electrical systems, starters,
in-flight movies, de-icing boots and retractable landing gear. You
might suggest your wife fly naked - ladies clothes are notoriously heavy
I kept a spreadsheet where I recorded the weight of every piece that
went on my plane, along with its position with respect to a datum on the
airframe, so I wasn't totally surprised by my high empty weight.
However, I was more than a bit ticked off when I weighed the fuselage,
wings and tail after painting and realized how much that polyurethane
with its nice glossy finish cost me. By then it was too late, unless I
wanted to re-cover and repaint the entire airplane.
All in all, it might be easier (and healthier) for you to lose 75 lbs
than to do all these things. I've lost 75 lbs this year -
unfortunately, I've lost the same 5lbs 15times.
Good Luck and hope to see you at Brodhead next month,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:22 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gross weight rating and modifications...
Hey All:
I have been looking for some of the weight specs for the Piet, and
have a couple of questions.
I would like to have something closer to 1200 lbs total gross weight
for the plane. I think I saw on a website I found tonight that the gross
was at somewhere around 1050. I've only found one site that lists the
Piet's specs, and as I am 255 or so, I want to know if I can fly this
bird with my 150 lb wife and an over night bag...
May be a great reason for the stomach by-pass surgery and a tummy
tuck, but crud, if I'm gonna spend that much money I should get a kit
plane :o\
Is the gross weight established by the 'designer' or by the builder
based on having a corvair engine vs. the 65 hp types when the builder
registers it with the FAA...
Thanks for the clairification and help!
Mark
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Donation |
You re not gonna believe this one. A good friend of mine invited me to stay at
his place last night. Where??? In Rockhall naturally. You know hang out go on
the boat, drink eat and enjoy. Among his boats is a 21 foot Chriscraft runabout.
I love it also did some engine work on it for him 2 summers ago. Good friend
great house and kool toys.
John
------Original Message------
From: chase143
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Jun 5, 2009 11:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Donation
John,
Forgot to mention. We've camped at assateague before, beautiful. Just make sure
your food is secure or the wild horse will get into it, seriously. If you have
time, we are on the "mainland", 25 miles south of Annapolis. Feel free to stop
by and provide feedback on my fuselage progress. We will be at the antique
boat show in Rock Hall sometime over the weekend. Give us a try. cell 240-678-8371
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247051#247051
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets |
Hi all,
My name is Jordan Carr and I am Bill Emo's grandson. However, he unfortunately
passed on Feb. 6 of 2009. I just wanted to let everyone know. I am a pilot
myself and was taught mostly in part by Papa. He was a great teacher and sparked
my passion for aviation when I was a young child. I was able to assist him
in some of the building process of his Piet and have flown many hours in good
ole 58TL. If you have any questions I can do my best to try and answer them.
-Jordan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247113#247113
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| Subject: | Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets |
tell us more about your piet
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "jordanlcarr" <jordan.carr.17@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
My name is Jordan Carr and I am Bill Emo's grandson. However, he
unfortunately passed on Feb. 6 of 2009. I just wanted to let everyone know. I am
a pilot myself and was taught mostly in part by Papa. He was a great teacher and
sparked my passion for aviation when I was a young child. I was able to assist
him in some of the building process of his Piet and have flown many hours in
good ole 58TL. If you have any questions I can do my best to try and answer
> them.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Jordan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247113#247113
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bill Emo photo attached |
Attached, is a photo of Bill Emo at Brodhead-2008. He shared his enthusia
sm, knowledge-and gave rides.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___=0AFrom: jordanlcarr <jordan.carr.17@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat
ronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:09:00 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-L
ist: Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-L
ist message posted by: "jordanlcarr" <jordan.carr.17@gmail.com>=0A=0AHi all
, =0A=0A- - My name is Jordan Carr and I am Bill Emo's grandson. Howeve
r, he unfortunately passed on Feb. 6 of 2009. I just wanted to let everyone
know. I am a pilot myself and was taught mostly in part by Papa. He was a
great teacher and sparked my passion for aviation when I was a young child.
I was able to assist him in some of the building process of his Piet and h
ave flown many hours in good ole 58TL. If you have any questions I can do m
y best to try and answer them.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-Jordan=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead
this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 06/05/09 |
Mark,
I have a C-85 Piet and have been hauling anyone that can get in the
front seat. I weigh 170 and fly regularly with a friend that goes
about 230 in the front seat. I wouldn't do that on a short runway,
but the piet seems to do fine and I am comfortable off 1500 or 1800ft
as long as it's not real hot out. Last weekend this guy and I flew
off a 1600ft strip when it was about 78. There are some wires at the
end of the runway at 15ft or so and I had another 50ft or so
clearance. I don't think it is possible to get anyone any bigger in.
We just about have to grease Jeff up to get him out. According to the
engineering work I saw somewhere years ago, with jury struts the Piet
is good for 6g's positive and 3 negative. I don't think I'm worried
about breaking it. I did get rid of a Sensenisch prop and am using a
74-37 Culver from Valley Engineering that is a lot more efficient.
Craig Lawler
NX899CL
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 06/05/09 |
Mark,
I have a C-85 Piet and have been hauling anyone that can get in the
front seat. I weigh 170 and fly regularly with a friend that goes
about 230 in the front seat. I wouldn't do that on a short runway,
but the piet seems to do fine and I am comfortable off 1500 or 1800ft
as long as it's not real hot out. Last weekend this guy and I flew
off a 1600ft strip when it was about 78. There are some wires at the
end of the runway at 15ft or so and I had another 50ft or so
clearance. I don't think it is possible to get anyone any bigger in.
We just about have to grease Jeff up to get him out. According to the
engineering work I saw somewhere years ago, with jury struts the Piet
is good for 6g's positive and 3 negative. I don't think I'm worried
about breaking it. I did get rid of a Sensenisch prop and am using a
74-37 Culver from Valley Engineering that is a lot more efficient.
Craig Lawler
NX899CL
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| Subject: | group osh arrival plans? |
Hello guys,- Have we reached any decision on where the mass arrival stagi
ng airport will be?- I bought my charts today and had to start drawing co
urse lines on them out of excitment.- I will want to make at least 1 fuel
stop enroute from C37 to OSH,- I only have about 1.5 hr range with a res
erve, and don't want to have to fly out of the way to refuel should we get
stuck holding over the lakes.- Dodge County Airport looked like a decent
place for a final fuel stop.- Any of you Cheese Heads have any advise on
this?- I recall someone on here mentioned Steve Krogg's airport as a fina
l stop enroute.- Where is Krogg's, Waupun?- Also wondering what most of
you OSH bound guys were going to do for lodging/camping.- Dad is most li
kely going to drive his truck up from Brodhead on sun morning, and we might
be able to help carry some cargo up, let me know if this is needed.- We
might also want to assign, voulenteer to bring some cooking gear, ie grill,
cooler,-plates plasticware etc, so we can hang out and eat something che
aper than a 25 dollar slice of pizza, or a 18 dollar hotdog.- Anyone with
any other ideas let's here them so we can plan ahead of time.-
-
Shad
P.S.- Don, or Mike C., did you go to the Barber fly-in today?- I was at
work
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| Subject: | Re: Flying an Idea |
Beautiful work John, I am interested.
rick
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:51 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
> Fellow Pietephiles:
> As Brodhead, that other flyin in Wisconsin and the 80th Celebration fast
> approach, I have started to design my T-Shirts which the "Bratmen of
> Brodhead" will be sporting this year. I thought I would take a stab at
> another design or two for the masses. Let me know if there is any interest
> and I will put them up on CafePress and you can order as many as you want to
> wear. Also I can customize the photo in the middle pretty easily if you
> don't like Mike Cuy. I actually think he is okay considering he is one of my
> greatest friends. Let me know what you think or contact me off list at
> johnnyskyrocket@me.com
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 06/05/09 |
Thanks Craig...
I have been losing and finding the same 20 or so pounds for years and
if I have to get serious about keeping it off. I have motivation to
lose it with this project!
Thanks for the advice. I live in a hot area (Fresno CA) where avg
temperatures in the summer are in the high 90's. Fortunately we have a
big runway and I have a while to lose the pounds :oD
Thanks for the info. I do wish there was about 100 pounds left over
for me to find a bit of 'wiggle' room...
Mark
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Craig Lawler<clawler@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> I have a C-85 Piet and have been hauling anyone that can get in the front
> seat. I weigh 170 and fly regularly with a friend that goes about 230 in the
> front seat. I wouldn't do that on a short runway, but the piet seems to do
> fine and I am comfortable off 1500 or 1800ft as long as it's not real hot
> out. Last weekend this guy and I flew off a 1600ft strip when it was about
> 78. There are some wires at the end of the runway at 15ft or so and I had
> another 50ft or so clearance. I don't think it is possible to get anyone any
> bigger in. We just about have to grease Jeff up to get him out. According to
> the engineering work I saw somewhere years ago, with jury struts the Piet is
> good for 6g's positive and 3 negative. I don't think I'm worried about
> breaking it. I did get rid of a Sensenisch prop and am using a 74-37 Culver
> from Valley Engineering that is a lot more efficient.
>
> Craig Lawler
> NX899CL
>
>
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| Subject: | Front fuselage covering |
I am covering my firewall with a .016 stainless (as shown in the attached
pictures), can the front of the fueslage be covered with the stainless sheet
attached? Or must the fabric be wrapped and glued to the wood firewall and
then the stainless reattached?
Thanks
Rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: group osh arrival plans? |
The staging airport is Waupun. More details will be in the July
newsletter.
I will post more info here over the next few days.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: group osh arrival plans?
Hello guys, Have we reached any decision on where the mass
arrival staging airport will be? I bought my charts today and had to
start drawing course lines on them out of excitment. I will want to
make at least 1 fuel stop enroute from C37 to OSH, I only have about
1.5 hr range with a reserve, and don't want to have to fly out of the
way to refuel should we get stuck holding over the lakes. Dodge County
Airport looked like a decent place for a final fuel stop. Any of you
Cheese Heads have any advise on this? I recall someone on here
mentioned Steve Krogg's airport as a final stop enroute. Where is
Krogg's, Waupun? Also wondering what most of you OSH bound guys were
going to do for lodging/camping. Dad is most likely going to drive his
truck up from Brodhead on sun morning, and we might be able to help
carry some cargo up, let me know if this is needed. We might also want
to assign, voulenteer to bring some cooking gear, ie grill, cooler,
plates plasticware etc, so we can hang out and eat something cheaper
than a 25 dollar slice of pizza, or a 18 dollar hotdog. Anyone with any
other ideas let's here them so we can plan ahead of time.
Shad
P.S. Don, or Mike C., did you go to the Barber fly-in today? I
was at work
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| Subject: | Re: group osh arrival plans? |
Brodhead to Oshkosh - 2009
Flying -
Those with radios may elect to fly direct to OSH as individual flights.
For the rest of us we'll depart Brodhead early Sunday morning and fly to
our staging area at Waupun, WI. Waupun (WI07) is a private airstrip 2
miles SE of the town of Waupun with an E - W grass strip and a N - S
paved strip located 67 miles on a course of 23 degrees from Brodhead.
GPS coordinates are 43 37 19.96N 88 46 0.39W Elevation 940' with right
traffic for rwy 09.
We will depart Waupun in 3 - 4 ship gaggles per OSH tower instructions.
Gaggle assignments will be discussed further at Brodhead.
Nordo phone calls to the tower need to be made between 7:00 - 10:00 am
and within 45 minutes of your arrival in the OSH pattern. These calls
will need to be made from our staging airport so plan to leave Brodhead
accordingly.
The NOTAM for Airventure can be found on the EAA website.
At Oshkosh -
EAA has arranged parking for us by the Homebuilder's Headquarters. We
will be able to camp just west of our airplanes in the campground.
Bill Rewey may also have camping room in the wooded area.
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: group osh arrival plans?
The staging airport is Waupun. More details will be in the July
newsletter.
I will post more info here over the next few days.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: group osh arrival plans?
Hello guys, Have we reached any decision on where the mass
arrival staging airport will be? I bought my charts today and had to
start drawing course lines on them out of excitment. I will want to
make at least 1 fuel stop enroute from C37 to OSH, I only have about
1.5 hr range with a reserve, and don't want to have to fly out of the
way to refuel should we get stuck holding over the lakes. Dodge County
Airport looked like a decent place for a final fuel stop. Any of you
Cheese Heads have any advise on this? I recall someone on here
mentioned Steve Krogg's airport as a final stop enroute. Where is
Krogg's, Waupun? Also wondering what most of you OSH bound guys were
going to do for lodging/camping. Dad is most likely going to drive his
truck up from Brodhead on sun morning, and we might be able to help
carry some cargo up, let me know if this is needed. We might also want
to assign, voulenteer to bring some cooking gear, ie grill, cooler,
plates plasticware etc, so we can hang out and eat something cheaper
than a 25 dollar slice of pizza, or a 18 dollar hotdog. Anyone with any
other ideas let's here them so we can plan ahead of time.
Shad
P.S. Don, or Mike C., did you go to the Barber fly-in today?
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Hey Shad,
Yeah, I made it to the Barber Fly-in. I went over last night (Friday) with my
oldest daughter and we tented it by the plane. Beautiful night for camping!
We had breakfast, hung out for a while, hopped a couple rides, then headed for
home in the early afternoon. They had a pretty nice turn out. Dozens of airplanes
and lots of Corvairs (the ground bound kind). Frank Pavliga had both of
his Piets flying too. Almost had a Piet Fly-in!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Corvair vs. O-200 weight comparision |
Concerning the discussion a couple days ago about the weight of an O-200
compared to a Corvair, in the new June Sport Aviation is a Teledyne
Continental ad (page 73) for their new O200D (lighter weight model) which
they say weights 199 lbs and goes on to say that that is 25 lbs lighter than
the O200. That puts the O200 at 224 lbs. which I assume does not include
exhaust (and oil). When doing a preliminary W&B to figure out how long to
make the motor mount for my Corvair WW told me to figure 240 lbs. for my
engine ready to run including exhaust, starter, magneto, oil, and wood prop.
And concerning the crankshaft breakage problems interestingly enough in the
same magazine is an Ercoupe article with a picture of an Ercoupe in a bean
field the victim of a C-85 with a broken crank (page 57). Reading articles
like this in addition to articles concerning the Lycoming crankshaft class
action lawsuits:
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/leadnews/lycoming_crankshaft_lawsuit_193160-1.html
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/briefs/Lycoming_Crankshaft_Lawsuit_193841-1.html
(give me a break, 5000 defective crankshafts in new engines people are
paying $25,000 to $40,000 for?), I am no more concerned about breaking a
nitrided Corvair crank with a 5th bearing than I am breaking the crank on an
O200 that I bought used and hope never had a prop strike.
Rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Emo photo attached |
Bill sure did share his enthusiasm. Thanks for the photo John.
Jordan, I'm sorry for you loss.
>Attached, is a photo of Bill Emo at Brodhead 2008. He shared his
>enthusiasm, knowledge and gave rides.
>
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| Subject: | Re: group osh arrival plans? |
Is the turf runway useable?
>The staging airport is Waupun. More details will be in the July newsletter.
>
>I will post more info here over the next few days.
>
>Greg C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. O-200 weight comparision |
Opps, sorry I meant to say "dynamo" not "magneto" in that last sentence in
the first paragraph.
rick
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Concerning the discussion a couple days ago about the weight of an O-200
> compared to a Corvair, in the new June Sport Aviation is a Teledyne
> Continental ad (page 73) for their new O200D (lighter weight model) which
> they say weights 199 lbs and goes on to say that that is 25 lbs lighter than
> the O200. That puts the O200 at 224 lbs. which I assume does not include
> exhaust (and oil). When doing a preliminary W&B to figure out how long to
> make the motor mount for my Corvair WW told me to figure 240 lbs. for my
> engine ready to run including exhaust, starter, magneto, oil, and wood prop.
>
> And concerning the crankshaft breakage problems interestingly enough in the
> same magazine is an Ercoupe article with a picture of an Ercoupe in a bean
> field the victim of a C-85 with a broken crank (page 57). Reading articles
> like this in addition to articles concerning the Lycoming crankshaft class
> action lawsuits:
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/leadnews/lycoming_crankshaft_lawsuit_193160-1.html
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/briefs/Lycoming_Crankshaft_Lawsuit_193841-1.html
>
> (give me a break, 5000 defective crankshafts in new engines people are
> paying $25,000 to $40,000 for?), I am no more concerned about breaking a
> nitrided Corvair crank with a 5th bearing than I am breaking the crank on an
> O200 that I bought used and hope never had a prop strike.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: great info Bill Church--- 0-200 powered Piets |
Well 58TL took 7 years to build and received its airworthiness certificate in 2002.
My Papa, Bill Emo, and Tim Mickle built two nearly identical planes. However,
it was not my Papa's original to build a pietenpol. He had fallen in love
with the British SE-5A and had always wanted to build one. There were two problems
with the design that deterred him. One would be the difficulty of build.
We spent alot of time talking about them and the other reason was because it
had only one seat. He was all about sharing aviation so he knew this would just
simply not work. It wasnt until Tim asked my Papa to help him with some wing
ribs on a new project of his. The rest is history. So it took them 7 years but
they are by far the nicest pietenpols I have seen. And some of the most practical
I might add. 58TL and 57TL are both equipped with O-200's with a full electric
system. Landing lights, radios, cockpit lights,etc.. The power of supplied
by the O-200 is great. Cruise is around 90-95 mph. Climb is probably 700-800
fpm with passenger and nearing 1000fpm solo. However these are merely guesstimates
as there is no VSI.
It has a cub cowling and the bungee style gear with 8.00x6.00 tires and toe breaks
in both pits. Front panel is sparse. Only slip/skip and gps. It flies like
a dream and is ery light on the controls. You think it and its there. A very
docile machine I'd say.
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| Subject: | Re: group osh arrival plans? |
Re: Pietenpol-List: group osh arrival plans?Yes, the turf runway is
usable.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: group osh arrival plans?
Is the turf runway useable?
The staging airport is Waupun. More details will be in the July
newsletter.
I will post more info here over the next few days.
Greg C.
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Emo photo attached |
John thanks so much for the picture. I have never seen this one before and its
really great. Could you send this to my email address it would be greatly appreciated.
jordan.carr.17@gmail.com
Thank you for the kind words everyone.
-Jordan
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