---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/13/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:20 AM - spot... again... (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 07:36 AM - Re: ATV tundra tires (rameses32) 3. 07:40 AM - Can I use the Scout landing gear on my Pietenpol? (rameses32) 4. 07:47 AM - Re: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions (Dick N.) 5. 11:04 AM - Re: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions (Mark Roberts) 6. 12:21 PM - Re: spot... again... (Ben Charvet) 7. 04:13 PM - Piet progress (santiago morete) 8. 04:52 PM - Interesting sight at airshow (Michael Groah) 9. 07:43 PM - Re: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions (Dick N.) 10. 09:09 PM - Airfoil question (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:46 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: spot... again... Couldn't load the spot site with my old dial up. Am I correct in understanding that once you have the device, you pay a monthly or yearly subscription for it to work? What does this cost? Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ATV tundra tires From: "rameses32" That picture brings tears to my eyes, in 1992 I had a chance to buy a C47 in flying condition for $50,000. I didn't have the money then, and there is now way of picking one up that cheap ever again.(Sniff, sniff) Charley K5YAC wrote: > Alright, point taken... but if someone can't see invasion stripes floating over tree tops, they need to work on their scan. > > Crap, someone turned of the "img" feature... gotta do it the old way I guess. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247939#247939 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can I use the Scout landing gear on my Pietenpol? From: "rameses32" I am wanting to build the steel fuselage, Holden 186 inline six engine, scout landing gear, 17" wheels. I'm just wondering if the scout landing gear is a good option, I just like the look of it. Charley Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247940#247940 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:52 AM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions Mark Other than to make comments about diet is to add Horsepower. Some of us fly very well at 1250 lb or more. You will need a 100 hp+ engine for that. Consider a Corvair, O-200 or similar. You can build a basic short fuse Piet at 630 lb, that is without brakes or tail wheel. Add 395lb for pilot and pass and 100 lb fuel and you are still at 1175 lb. I had flight tested my A-65 Piet to 1150 lb and it flies fine but not on a 90+ degree day. My 110 hp Piet flies at 1310 lb. but it doesn't like it much. A better weight is 1250 lb. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions > > Hi All: > > I am looking for a way to increase my useable load for the Piet. Last > wee I finally discovered (thanks to you nice folks) that the Piet's > Gross weight is around 1050 lbs, with a useful load after fuel of > somewhere around 400 or so pounds depending on engine, accessories, > and whether you got rid of all the diet coke you drank before you took > off :o) > > As I am 250 and 6'4", and my wife is a good looking 145 or so (it's > true she's good looking to me, but I also figured it's the only way I > think I'd live through the night if she found out I told her weight to > the world at large...). I am looking to make sure that the plane will > be as light as possible so I could CONSIDER taking some form of over > night bag or a tent to attend Brodhead sometime. > > So, I am looking at the steel verse wood option, even though I prefer > to work with wood, not steel. I don't look forward to cutting or > welding steel, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do if he > refuses to exercise (joking here...). > > I have no idea what the weight diference really is over all, and if it > is indeed significant, I have some people ready to help weld that have > quite a bit of experience. But, hanging my butt in the seat of > something I welded as my first project is not a reassuring message for > my wife. > > Any thoughts from you bunch would be very much appreciated. Also, what > are your various empty weights so I have some realistic idea of the > final over all weights in the real world... > > Thanks guys!! > > Mark > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions From: Mark Roberts Thanks Dick. I am looking at Corvair power unless I hit the lottery, I knew I had read that 1200 or so would be possible, but wasn't sure about the weight rating and safty concerns with the added weight. I live in Fresno California where our average summer temps are well into the 90's and low 100's for most of the summer months, the best flying time. I plan to build the long fuse, and use the corvair at a truer 100 hp (if I am to believe what I read on Wynne's site which I do). So, looking at what you just said makes every ounce an important consideration. Did you build a steel or wooden fuse? Is there much weight savings in the steel to make the effort really worth it? Mark On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Dick N. wrote: > > Mark > Other than to make comments about diet is to add Horsepower. Some of us fly > very well at 1250 lb or more. You will need a 100 hp+ engine for that. > Consider a Corvair, O-200 or similar. > You can build a basic short fuse Piet at 630 lb, that is without brakes or > tail wheel. Add 395lb for pilot and pass and 100 lb fuel and you are still > at 1175 lb. > I had flight tested my A-65 Piet to 1150 lb and it flies fine but not on a > 90+ degree day. My 110 hp Piet flies at 1310 lb. but it doesn't like it > much. A better weight is 1250 lb. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:18 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse > versions > > >> >> Hi All: >> >> I am looking for a way to increase my useable load for the Piet. Last >> wee I finally discovered (thanks to you nice folks) that the Piet's >> Gross weight is around 1050 lbs, with a useful load after fuel of >> somewhere around 400 or so pounds depending on engine, accessories, >> and whether you got rid of all the diet coke you drank before you took >> off :o) >> >> As I am 250 and 6'4", and my wife is a good looking 145 or so (it's >> true she's good looking to me, but I also figured it's the only way I >> think I'd live through the night if she found out I told her weight to >> the world at large...). I am looking to make sure that the plane will >> be as light as possible so I could CONSIDER taking some form of over >> night bag or a tent to attend Brodhead sometime. >> >> So, I am looking at the steel verse wood option, even though I prefer >> to work with wood, not steel. I don't look forward to cutting or >> welding steel, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do if he >> refuses to exercise (joking here...). >> >> I have no idea what the weight diference really is over all, and if it >> is indeed significant, I have some people ready to help weld that have >> quite a bit of experience. But, hanging my butt in the seat of >> something I welded as my first project is not a reassuring message for >> my wife. >> >> Any thoughts from you bunch would be very much appreciated. Also, what >> are your various empty weights so I have some realistic idea of the >> final over all weights in the real world... >> >> Thanks guys!! >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:43 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spot... again... I paid $149 for the year, and that includes tracking mode.- I think witho ut tracking it is $99/yr.- When I renew I probably won't do the tracking mode. Ben- -- On Sat, 6/13/09, Douwe Blumberg wrote: From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: spot... again... link.net> Couldn't load the spot site with my old dial up.- Am I correct in understanding that once you have the device, you pay a monthly or yearly subscription for it to work?- What does this cost? Douwe le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:35 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress Thanks everyone for the kind words and encouragement! - Rick, the model A is not finished yet, but progressing very good.- We hop e to have it finished soon. Shad,-that would-be great but-sadly, almost impossible, anyway, -I -owe you a ride!- If for some reason,-you or someone on this list com es-down here-when our Piet is finished, will be very welcome for a ride .. Thanks again!! Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0ARecetas pr=E1cticas y comida saludab le=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:02 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting sight at airshow Well, this is not directly Pietenpol related but just the same..... I was at an airshow today at one of my local airports (Porterville CA) and watched one of the performers end up with his plane on it's back.- He is Dr. Frank Donnelly of www.drds-oldtime-aerobatics.com He was in the middle of his performance when he aborted and flew a large pa ttern and came into land.- It turns out he broke a rudder cable near the pedal.- He landed long to stay away from spectators ( I happened to be at the end of the runway he landed at)- and did his best to put the taildra gger down. (He did a fabulous job) - He ended up off the pavement and ove r onto his back.- He was ok and the plane was not too badly damaged. The FAA decided it was an incident.- He had the engine shut down by that poin t and broke one blade of the prop in the rollover, a little damage to the t op of the vertical and to the tip of one wing.- Very minimal considering. - The important part was that he was ok, but he'll have some work to do t o get the '46 clipwing Taylorcraft flying again. Anyways.... Just a note to say what I saw and to make sure your rudder cabl es along with all others are in good shape.- Now I'll go for a ride on my Cushman scooter tonight and work on my Piet all day tomorrow.- Mike Groah Tulare CA =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:34 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions I built the fuse of wood, Douglas fir. One short and one long. With more than 100 hp on a 90 deg day at 1200 lb and Fresno being at about 300 msl you are probably fine but there are variables. How long of Rwy is available? What type prop will you use? On that hot day when you give a ride, how much fuel is on board. Given those things, I have also had to tell people that there won't be any rides today when I am not comfortable with the temp or the cross wind. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse versions Thanks Dick. I am looking at Corvair power unless I hit the lottery, I knew I had read that 1200 or so would be possible, but wasn't sure about the weight rating and safty concerns with the added weight. I live in Fresno California where our average summer temps are well into the 90's and low 100's for most of the summer months, the best flying time. I plan to build the long fuse, and use the corvair at a truer 100 hp (if I am to believe what I read on Wynne's site which I do). So, looking at what you just said makes every ounce an important consideration. Did you build a steel or wooden fuse? Is there much weight savings in the steel to make the effort really worth it? Mark On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Dick N. wrote: > > Mark > Other than to make comments about diet is to add Horsepower. Some of us > fly > very well at 1250 lb or more. You will need a 100 hp+ engine for that. > Consider a Corvair, O-200 or similar. > You can build a basic short fuse Piet at 630 lb, that is without brakes or > tail wheel. Add 395lb for pilot and pass and 100 lb fuel and you are still > at 1175 lb. > I had flight tested my A-65 Piet to 1150 lb and it flies fine but not on a > 90+ degree day. My 110 hp Piet flies at 1310 lb. but it doesn't like it > much. A better weight is 1250 lb. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:18 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight differences between Wood and steel fuse > versions > > >> >> >> Hi All: >> >> I am looking for a way to increase my useable load for the Piet. Last >> wee I finally discovered (thanks to you nice folks) that the Piet's >> Gross weight is around 1050 lbs, with a useful load after fuel of >> somewhere around 400 or so pounds depending on engine, accessories, >> and whether you got rid of all the diet coke you drank before you took >> off :o) >> >> As I am 250 and 6'4", and my wife is a good looking 145 or so (it's >> true she's good looking to me, but I also figured it's the only way I >> think I'd live through the night if she found out I told her weight to >> the world at large...). I am looking to make sure that the plane will >> be as light as possible so I could CONSIDER taking some form of over >> night bag or a tent to attend Brodhead sometime. >> >> So, I am looking at the steel verse wood option, even though I prefer >> to work with wood, not steel. I don't look forward to cutting or >> welding steel, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do if he >> refuses to exercise (joking here...). >> >> I have no idea what the weight diference really is over all, and if it >> is indeed significant, I have some people ready to help weld that have >> quite a bit of experience. But, hanging my butt in the seat of >> something I welded as my first project is not a reassuring message for >> my wife. >> >> Any thoughts from you bunch would be very much appreciated. Also, what >> are your various empty weights so I have some realistic idea of the >> final over all weights in the real world... >> >> Thanks guys!! >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil question From: Mark Roberts What airfoil does the Piet have? 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