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1. 03:33 AM - Re: Re: cowling paint (Jack Phillips)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Corvair buy (Ben Charvet)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: A sad conversation (Michael Perez)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: Corvair buy (hvandervoo@aol.com)
5. 08:09 AM - A chicken scratch drawing of a pietenpol dream (rameses32)
6. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: cowling paint (Mark Roberts)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: A chicken scratch drawing of a pietenpol dream (Tim Willis)
8. 08:28 AM - Another Corvair Buy (K5YAC)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: Pietenpols on the big screen (Dan Yocum)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: cowling paint (Jack Phillips)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: cowling paint (Bill Church)
12. 10:55 AM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (amsafetyc@aol.com)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: cowling paint (Michael Perez)
14. 11:12 AM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (Michael Perez)
15. 11:13 AM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (shad bell)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (Dave Abramson)
17. 11:34 AM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (K5YAC)
18. 11:42 AM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
19. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Re: cowling paint (Jim)
20. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Re: cowling paint (Jim)
21. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Re: cowling paint (Jim)
22. 12:39 PM - turned aluminum sheet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
23. 12:41 PM - panel ideas (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
24. 12:43 PM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (Mark Roberts)
25. 01:13 PM - Re: panel ideas (Kip and Beth Gardner)
26. 01:42 PM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (shad bell)
27. 01:50 PM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
28. 02:08 PM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (Jeff Boatright)
29. 02:53 PM - Re: panel ideas (Jim)
30. 02:57 PM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (K5YAC)
31. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Another Corvair Buy (amsafetyc@aol.com)
32. 05:07 PM - Re: Another Corvair Buy (skellytown flyer)
33. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Another Corvair Buy (Ryan Mueller)
34. 08:40 PM - Corvair and conversion parts for sale (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
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I did the engine turing on my instrument panels using a piece of scotchbrite
glued to an old exhaust valve, spinning in the drillpress. Took me two days
to make the fixture to get the overlapping pattern and 15 minutes to
actually do the turning on the parts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
Dale used a 1" piece of 3M Scotchbrite pad attached to a wooden dowel in the
drillpress. The 1" circles are overlapped 1/4". I don't know how long it
took but Dale reports the job as being "tedious".
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> Hi Dale,
> How long did it take to engine turn the cowling? How big a circle and what
> did you use for the abrasive to do it?
> Thanks,
> Jim B.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, ddjohn@earthlink.net wrote:
> <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
>
> Douwe
>
> I engine turned the inside & outside.
>
> Dale
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>> To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 6/16/2009 9:12:09 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>>
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Did you guys paint the inside of your cowling or leave it bare?
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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If you go experimental amateur built and get your repairman's
certificate you can still tweak it and do the work yourself. I ran up
against the same problems insuring a Corvair and decided to use a
Continental for that reason. You can buy a mid-time Continental for
about what it will cost to build a Wynne Corvair anyway. In looking
through the regulations I can't see any advantage to register as an ELSA.
If you are just flying over remote areas of Alaska where an emergency
off-airport landing wouldn't cause any damage on the ground,
self-insuring might work, but my local airport is surrounded by
residential areas/
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Rob Stapleton wrote:
>
> Two days ago I had a conversation with an insurance broker associated
> with EAA who was referred to me by the editor of the Experimenter and
> Sport magazines.
>
> One of my many questions was about insuring a Corvair powered
> Pietenpol here in Alaska. He advised against it, and informed me there
> were some states in the U.S. where flying a Pietenpol with a Corvair
> engine is not covered by any insurance.
>
> I would advise anyone who expects to insure their aircraft to check on
> this first.
>
> My plans wont change, to install and build a Wynne Corvair because I
> cant get insurance either way if it is certified as an ELSA tailwheel
> here in Alaska. If I build it and certify it as a homebuilt
> Experimental amateur built, I may be able to get insurance if I hang a
> certified engine on it. But I dont see the purpose in that because I
> want to tweak everything to fly on skis and wheels and want to do the
> work myself.
>
> Just some thoughts
>
> Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
>
> Anchorage, AK
>
> KL2AN
>
> Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *shad
> bell
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:51 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair buy
>
> Procceed Cautiously! Follow Wynne's mannual, and make sure to have
> the crank magnafluxed, nitrided, and make sure the journals are
> properly, and generously, radioused. Corvairs do work good, but
> only if built Well. Feel free to contact me off list for info, or
> advise. I am no expert, but have learned a few cold had facts
> about corvairs, and will let you know my experiances with
> failures, and succeseses. I flew our piet/ vair for about 3 hrs
> today and had a blast!
>
> Shad
>
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| Subject: | Re: A sad conversation |
Shad, if there was ever any motivation to finish a project, you now have it
.
-
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A sad conversation
Group, Today I made the decision to call the original builder of my Jungste
r 1 project to let him know I was still actively working on it.- When I c
alled I got the dreaded response I was fearing, "He passed away 2 years ago
", his widdow said.- I had not talked to him since I bought the project 9
years ago.- As fate will have it, we never get things done on the time l
ine we think we will.- She was glad to talk with me and said she remember
s me coming down to look at it and later coming down to buy it and take it
home.- She said she would like some pictures of it when I get it done.-
I told her I would keep at it, and fly it down so she could see it when I
get it done.- It will be great to (hopefully)-let her see a piece of he
r husband's work, break the surley bonds of earth, as did his soul 2 years
ago.- Now I feel as if he is looking down on every little thing I do on t
he construction of "His" Jungster 1.- If any of you have bought unfinnish
ed
projects, make sure to contact the original builder sooner than later, or
it might be too late as was the case for me.
-
Shad
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Rob,
I fly a Pietenpol with a Corvair in Texas and covered by liability only in
surance.
Typically you can get the liability only insurance after you fly off the
first 40 hours (test phase 1) I did.
You just have to ask yourself if insurance (liability only) is worth it.
I fly over mostly empty crop fields and some populated areas, I could dama
ge a farmers crop in a emergency landing (most likely) or worse (unlikely)
But you might be flying over a lot of nothing in Alaska.
I pay $ 575.-- per year for liability only, thru SkySmith insurance.
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Stapleton <foto@alaska.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 12:24 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair buy
Two days ago I had a conversation with an insurance broker associated with
EAA who was referred to me by the editor of the Experimenter and Sport ma
gazines.
=C2-
One of my many questions was about insuring a Corvair powered Pietenpol he
re in Alaska. He advised against it, and informed me there were some state
s in the U.S. where flying a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine is not covere
d by any insurance.
=C2-
I would advise anyone who expects to insure their aircraft to check on thi
s first.
=C2-
My plans won=99t change, to install and build a Wynne Corvair becaus
e I can=99t get insurance either way if it is certified as an ELSA
tailwheel here in Alaska. If I build it and certify it as a homebuilt Exp
erimental amateur built, I may=2
0be able to get insurance if I hang a certified engine on it. But I don
=99t see the purpose in that because I want to tweak everything to fly
on skis and wheels and want to do the work myself.
=C2-
Just some thoughts
=C2-
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, AK
KL2AN
Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair buy
=C2-
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Procceed Cautiously!=C2- Follow Wynne's mannual, and make sure to have
the crank magnafluxed, nitrided, and make sure the journals are properly,
and=C2-generously, radioused.=C2- Corvairs do work good, but only if
built Well.=C2- Feel free to contact me off list for info, or advise.
=C2- I am no expert, but have learned a few cold had facts about corvair
s, and will let you know my experiances with failures, and succeseses.=C2
- I flew our piet/ vair for about 3 hrs today and had a blast!
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| Subject: | A chicken scratch drawing of a pietenpol dream |
Scout landing gear, Holden 186, and 23" tyres. I know the engine looks huge, but
it is only about 5" longer and 5" taller than a Model A. Prop is a bit big,
but I didn't scale it, I just drew it on.
Is it still a pietenpol?
Charley
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| Subject: | Re: cowling paint |
Hey Jack:
You gotta picture of your panel with that work done on it?
I am always interested in the circular patterned look, as I think it
is particularly cool looking...
Mark
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Jack Phillips<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I did the engine turing on my instrument panels using a piece of scotchbrite
> glued to an old exhaust valve, spinning in the drillpress. Took me two days
> to make the fixture to get the overlapping pattern and 15 minutes to
> actually do the turning on the parts.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:22 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
>
> Dale used a 1" piece of 3M Scotchbrite pad attached to a wooden dowel in the
>
> drillpress. The 1" circles are overlapped 1/4". I don't know how long it
> took but Dale reports the job as being "tedious".
>
> Greg C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Boyer
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>> Hi Dale,
>> How long did it take to engine turn the cowling? How big a circle and what
>
>> did you use for the abrasive to do it?
>> Thanks,
>> Jim B.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, ddjohn@earthlink.net wrote:
>> <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>> I engine turned the inside & outside.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>> To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Date: 6/16/2009 9:12:09 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>>>
>> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Did you guys paint the inside of your cowling or leave it bare?
>>>
>>> Douwe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A chicken scratch drawing of a pietenpol dream |
Yes, it is a Pietenpol. Someone tallied 22 different engines that have been on
Piets, and they likely missed many. Moreover, Scout LG is also Pietenpol.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: rameses32 <rameses32@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 18, 2009 10:08 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A chicken scratch drawing of a pietenpol dream
>
>
>Scout landing gear, Holden 186, and 23" tyres. I know the engine looks huge, but
it is only about 5" longer and 5" taller than a Model A. Prop is a bit big,
but I didn't scale it, I just drew it on.
>Is it still a pietenpol?
>Charley
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248905#248905
>
>
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| Subject: | Another Corvair Buy |
After several months of searching Ive finally found my engine. Actually, I am
required to buy an entire car for the core, but Im willing to do that in this
particular case.
Ive scoured Craigslist, e-bay, local salvage yards and classified ads, etc. for
several months, and while Ive been able to weed out several from the description
alone, Ive also done a bit of traveling in order to investigate some leads.
None so far have panned out, until last Thursday my son and I were driving
home from the gun club when we saw a small fenced in area in a little Oklahoma
town that had 7 or 8 old cars and trucks inside. At first glance it looked like
many other small salvage lots in this particular town, but in the corner of
the yard sat a late model Corvair that caught my eye. We turned around and
had a look. The vehicle was actually in pretty decent shape compared to some
others Ive looked at not drivable, but certainly a good candidate for restoration.
The gate was locked, so I jotted down the number and called the fellow the
next day. He invited me out to have a look.
One look at the back of the car and I saw the "110" emblem... I asked "what year"
and he said "sixty-six." We opened the hood and everything was in place air
cleaner, carb, shrouds even the factory spare tire with knobs it had never even
seen the street. I hope that means that the car was fairly well maintained
or has very low miles (I forgot to look). I asked, "you mind if I turn the
crank?" as I pulled out my 3/4 wrench... he said, "go right ahead." It turned
easily. A light scrape with the box end of the wrench to remove the dirt around
the serial number revealed xxxxxRH gigidy gigidy GIG-GA-TY!
I asked if he would be willing to part it out and he said no so I asked what he
had to have for the whole car he replied, "$500." I told him that Id have to
think about it for a bit but in the back of my mind I was actually thinking excellent
Smithers.
I called him back today an asked if he could take $350 for the whole car he said,
"I could, but Im not going to I think its worth what Im asking if Im patient."
I think he is right Ive seen worse projects go for more around here. He
offered to take $50 off and I accepted. The car is in good shape, and there is
a decent Corvair following in the Tulsa area, so Im thinking that I can part
some of it out in order to recover some of the expense.
Either way I could spend several more weeks or months searching for another suitable
candidate, which I may or may not find for less money, but my time is worth
something, so Im willing to put this task to bed for a little extra expense
up front. Plus it is local... no shipping or freight fees, and Ill be glad
to have a cherry, untouched, complete, 66 110HP RH in the shop.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols on the big screen |
Baldeagle wrote:
>
> http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/
>
> Watch the trailer
I don't know what it was, but this brought a tear to my eye. Guess I
still am a farm kid at heart. I remember getting all excited when one
of my dad's friends would drop into our airstrip unannounced, I'd hop on
the bicycle and ride out to see who it was.
I'm really looking forward to joining the ranks of the antique, open
cockpit airplane owners for exactly the experience this movie shows.
Does anyone know when this annual Dirksen fly-in is?
As chance would have it, according to the FAA N-number registry Frank
owns a Piet built by a "P Heglie." This is the same builder that built
N8031 which I will be taking possession of after the current owner flies
it to Oshkosh. 'Tis a small world.
Looks like P Heglie was a prolific builder, too - the airworthiness
dates for both planes were issued in '79 and '80.
Cheers,
Dan
>
> Showing at Oshkosh on Sunday night, click on "screenings"
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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I've tried to send it Mark, but there are a couple of photos and it totals
1.5 Mbytes so it probably won't make it through. If not, I'll send it just
to you.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
Hey Jack:
You gotta picture of your panel with that work done on it?
I am always interested in the circular patterned look, as I think it
is particularly cool looking...
Mark
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Jack Phillips<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> I did the engine turing on my instrument panels using a piece of
scotchbrite
> glued to an old exhaust valve, spinning in the drillpress. Took me two
days
> to make the fixture to get the overlapping pattern and 15 minutes to
> actually do the turning on the parts.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:22 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
>
> Dale used a 1" piece of 3M Scotchbrite pad attached to a wooden dowel in
the
>
> drillpress. The 1" circles are overlapped 1/4". I don't know how long it
> took but Dale reports the job as being "tedious".
>
> Greg C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
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>>
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>>
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>> Jim Boyer
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>> Hi Dale,
>> How long did it take to engine turn the cowling? How big a circle and
what
>
>> did you use for the abrasive to do it?
>> Thanks,
>> Jim B.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, ddjohn@earthlink.net wrote:
>> <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>> I engine turned the inside & outside.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>> To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Date: 6/16/2009 9:12:09 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>>>
>> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Did you guys paint the inside of your cowling or leave it bare?
>>>
>>> Douwe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Usually, one can find a photo of almost anything Piet-related on Chris
Tracy's great website westcoastpiet.com.
And this is no exception. These photos show Jack's nice engine-turned
panels.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Phillips/Laminated_bow_Instru
ment.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Phillips/bhead050059.JPG
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Its about finding exactly what you're looking for and less about the price. Good
deals and gimmies are hard to come by. It may be fun to try starting it up before
tearing it out and down
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Corvair Buy
After several months of searching Ive finally found my engine. Actually, I am
required to buy an entire car for the core, but Im willing to do that in this
particular case.
Ive scoured Craigslist, e-bay, local salvage yards and classified ads, etc. for
several months, and while Ive been able to weed out several from the description
alone, Ive also done a bit of traveling in order to investigate some leads.
None so far have panned out, until last Thursday my son and I were driving
home from the gun club when we saw a small fenced in area in a little Oklahoma
town that had 7 or 8 old cars and trucks inside. At first glance it looked like
many other small salvage lots in this particular town, but in the corner of
the yard sat a late model Corvair that caught my eye. We turned around and
had a look. The vehicle was actually in pretty decent shape compared to some
others Ive looked at not drivable, but certainly a good candidate for restoration.
The gate was locked, so I jotted down the number and called the fellow the
next day. He invited me out to have a look.
One look at the back of the car and I saw the "110" emblem... I asked "what year"
and he said "sixty-six." We opened the hood and everything was in place air
cleaner, carb, shrouds even the factory spare tire with knobs it had never even
seen the street. I hope that means that the car was fairly well maintained
or has very low miles (I forgot to look). I asked, "you mind if I turn the
crank?" as I pulled out my 3/4 wrench... he said, "go right ahead." It turned
easily. A light scrape with the box end of the wrench to remove the dirt around
the serial number revealed xxxxxRH gigidy gigidy GIG-GA-TY!
I asked if he would be willing to part it out and he said no so I asked what he
had to have for the whole car he replied, "$500." I told him that Id have to
think about it for a bit but in the back of my mind I was actually thinking excellent
Smithers.
I called him back today an asked if he could take $350 for the whole car he said,
"I could, but Im not going to I think its worth what Im asking if Im patient."
I think he is right Ive seen worse projects go for more around here. He
offered to take $50 off and I accepted. The car is in good shape, and there is
a decent Corvair following in the Tulsa area, so Im thinking that I can part
some of it out in order to recover some of the expense.
Either way I could spend several more weeks or months searching for another suitable
candidate, which I may or may not find for less money, but my time is worth
something, so Im willing to put this task to bed for a little extra expense
up front. Plus it is local... no shipping or freight fees, and Ill be glad
to have a cherry, untouched, complete, 66 110HP RH in the shop.
--------
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very nice work Jack. The turned look is not my thing, but you have done a g
reat job with it; just enough to add character.- By the way, why is that
look called "engine turned?"
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
Usually, one can find a photo of almost anything Piet-related on Chris Trac
y's great website westcoastpiet.com.
And this is no exception. These photos show Jack's nice engine-turned panel
s.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Phillips/Laminated_bow_Instrumen
t.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Phillips/bhead050059.JPG
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Mark, I say that is a great move! You may be able to recoup some of the $45
0 total price if you part the rest of the car out or sell as is with no-e
ngine. (you may get all of your $450...) Like you said, it's local, so no s
hipping, hauling, trailers, etc. Plus, you got to see/feel it first hand, n
o need to rely on others to tell you what is what! I don't see a down side
here.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Mark, keep track of the parts of the car that are in good shape.- Clarks
Corvair in out east, buys old corvair parts.- And if you are wondering wh
at to part it out for, their web site catalog would be a good base line to
price certin parts.- It will help offset the $100 per month of materials
you will be needing for construction.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Another Corvair Buy |
TRUE! I would see if I could start it up too, just to see if the engine
WOULD run!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Corvair Buy
Its about finding exactly what you're looking for and less about the price.
Good deals and gimmies are hard to come by. It may be fun to try starting it
up before tearing it out and down
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Corvair Buy
After several months of searching Ive finally found my engine. Actually,
I am required to buy an entire car for the core, but Im willing to do
that in this particular case.
Ive scoured Craigslist, e-bay, local salvage yards and classified ads,
etc. for several months, and while Ive been able to weed out several from
the description alone, Ive also done a bit of traveling in order to
investigate some leads. None so far have panned out, until last Thursday
my son and I were driving home from the gun club when we saw a small fenced
in area in a little Oklahoma town that had 7 or 8 old cars and trucks
inside. At first glance it looked like many other small salvage lots in
this particular town, but in the corner of the yard sat a late model Corvair
that caught my eye. We turned around and had a look. The vehicle was
actually in pretty decent shape compared to some others Ive looked at
not drivable, but certainly a good candidate for restoration. The gate was
locked, so I jotted down the number and called the fellow the next day. He
invited me out to have a look.
One look at the back of the car and I saw the "110" emblem... I asked "what
year" and he said "sixty-six." We opened the hood and everything was in
place air cleaner, carb, shrouds even the factory spare tire with
knobs it had never even seen the street. I hope that means that the car
was fairly well maintained or has very low miles (I forgot to look). I
asked, "you mind if I turn the crank?" as I pulled out my 3/4 wrench...
he said, "go right ahead." It turned easily. A light scrape with the box
end of the wrench to remove the dirt around the serial number revealed
xxxxxRH gigidy gigidy GIG-GA-TY!
I asked if he would be willing to part it out and he said no so I asked
what he had to have for the whole car he replied, "$500." I told him
that Id have to think about it for a bit but in the back of my mind I
was actually thinking excellent Smithers.
I called him back today an asked if he could take $350 for the whole car
he said, "I could, but Im not going to I think its worth what Im
asking if Im patient." I think he is right Ive seen worse projects
go for more around here. He offered to take $50 off and I accepted. The
car is in good shape, and there is a decent Corvair following in the Tulsa
area, so Im thinking that I can part some of it out in order to recover
some of the expense.
Either way I could spend several more weeks or months searching for
another suitable candidate, which I may or may not find for less money, but
my time is worth something, so Im willing to put this task to bed for a
little extra expense up front. Plus it is local... no shipping or freight
fees, and Ill be glad to have a cherry, untouched, complete, 66 110HP RH
in the shop.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Thanks guys! I feel even better about my choice. Starting it up before tearing
down sounds like fun too.
Since my hanger is not climate controlled, but my garage is... I'm not planning
to tear into the rebuild until it gets cold out. I may go ahead and get it pulled,
place it on a pallet, etc. but I'm saving most of that project for the
months when T-88 doesn't mix well.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
be sure to pull the distributor, and at least spin the oil pump first if it
has been sitting a while. No need to run it dry!
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: cowling paint |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Thanks Greg,
I bet it was tedious; it would take a lot of 1" circles to cover the whole cowl
inside and out. William Wynne had his Piet with an engine turned cowl also.
Jim B.
On Jun 17, 2009, gcardinal@comcast.net wrote:
Dale used a 1" piece of 3M Scotchbrite pad attached to a wooden dowel in the
drillpress. The 1" circles are overlapped 1/4". I don't know how long it
took but Dale reports the job as being "tedious".
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> Hi Dale,
> How long did it take to engine turn the cowling? How big a circle and what
> did you use for the abrasive to do it?
> Thanks,
> Jim B.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, ddjohn@earthlink.net wrote:
> <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
>
> Douwe
>
> I engine turned the inside & outside.
>
> Dale
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>> To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 6/16/2009 9:12:09 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>>
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Did you guys paint the inside of your cowling or leave it bare?
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cowling paint |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
I remember looking at your Piet last year Jack but was concentrating on landing
gear details and miscellaneous fittings so don't remember your instrument panels.
I will look more closely at them this year. My instrument panel is aluminium
and I was wondering how to do it; vernier or paint or ....?
Thanks,
Jim B
On Jun 18, 2009, pietflyr@bellsouth.net wrote:
I did the engine turing on my instrument panels using a piece of scotchbrite
glued to an old exhaust valve, spinning in the drillpress. Took me two days
to make the fixture to get the overlapping pattern and 15 minutes to
actually do the turning on the parts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
Dale used a 1" piece of 3M Scotchbrite pad attached to a wooden dowel in the
drillpress. The 1" circles are overlapped 1/4". I don't know how long it
took but Dale reports the job as being "tedious".
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> Hi Dale,
> How long did it take to engine turn the cowling? How big a circle and what
> did you use for the abrasive to do it?
> Thanks,
> Jim B.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, ddjohn@earthlink.net wrote:
> <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
>
> Douwe
>
> I engine turned the inside & outside.
>
> Dale
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>> To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 6/16/2009 9:12:09 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling paint
>>
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Did you guys paint the inside of your cowling or leave it bare?
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cowling paint |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Very nice panels Jack. My whole panel is aluminium but hadn't thought of doing
it like you did; looks great though.
Jim B
do not archive
On Jun 18, 2009, eng@canadianrogers.com wrote:
Usually, one can find a photo of almost anything Piet-related on Chris Tracy's
great website westcoastpiet.com.
And this is no exception. These photos show Jack's nice engine-turned panels.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Phillips/Laminated_bow_Instrument.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Phillips/bhead050059.JPG
Bill C.
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I like this one myself.....:)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Congratulations! Patience is an attribute!
Mark
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM, <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com> wrote:
> be sure to pull the distributor, and at least spin the oil pump first if it
> has been sitting a while. No need to run it dry!
>
> Boyce
>
>
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Gee Mikee, can't understand why....
Kip
On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> I like this one myself.....:)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> <Harlan07 Piet instrument panel.jpg><Harlan07 runup.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
I don't know if I would start it or not, it could have plugged oil gallies,
broken rings, bent push rods etc etc, it will only have the possibilities
of doing more damage.- My advise tear it down, inspect, magnaflux the cra
nk, rebuild the heads an the rest of it, then start it up.-- Even if it
runs now, that tells nothing about the finished product that will be on yo
ur airplane.- .........resist the temptation....resist...----
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Shad------------------- =0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Good points Shad. For airplane use, you really don't stand to gain
anything/much by running it, as I assume this will be a thorough overhaul before
flight. Still, it would be fun though huh?
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
I agree. I had two of these engines. Both looked fine, turned by
hand, etc. However, after tear down I know that if I had tried to
start either one, they would have grenaded, thus created lots more
work and expense to rebuild.
Btw, both of mine had pretty muchwhat Shad mentioned: plugged oil
gallies, broken rings, bent push rods, and etc. (including stuck and
bent valves).
>I don't know if I would start it or not, it could have plugged oil
>gallies, broken rings, bent push rods etc etc, it will only have the
>possibilities of doing more damage. My advise tear it down,
>inspect, magnaflux the crank, rebuild the heads an the rest of it,
>then start it up. Even if it runs now, that tells nothing about
>the finished product that will be on your airplane. .........resist
>the temptation....resist...
>
>
>Shad
>
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Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
This is a nice treatment for the instrument too Mike; not biased though are you?
Jim
On Jun 18, 2009, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov wrote:
I like this one myself.....:)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
[quote="RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com"]Good points Shad. For airplane use, you really don't
stand to gain anything/much by running it, as I assume this will be a thorough
overhaul before flight. Still, it would be fun though huh?
Boyce
> [b]
Now that these points are made, I've got to agree with the comments about not running
it. Dang you guys for taking all the fun out... and for saving me $$ on
unnecessary repairs. [Laughing]
It would be fun though.
To answer a question... yes, there will be a thorough rebuild prior to use.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
Since I suggested it and have dealt with junk yards in the past. There is a strategy
in buying from them;: if it has a good body either the owner died or the
engine and trans did. For my own I would want to know that going in. When the
body has been hit in the rear as corvair one can anticipate broken engine parts
if hit in the front and an insurance total engine was good and running which
is a good sign. So getting it to run does tell a great deal about it and recommended
as it provides a base line from which to approach the tear down and rebuild
process.
Always nice to know the cracker jack box has a prize in it.
John
John
------Original Message------
From: Mark Chunard
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Corvair Buy
[quote="RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com"]Good points Shad. For airplane use, you really don't
stand to gain anything/much by running it, as I assume this will be a thorough
overhaul before flight. Still, it would be fun though huh?
Boyce
> [b]
Now that these points are made, I've got to agree with the comments about not running
it. Dang you guys for taking all the fun out... and for saving me $$ on
unnecessary repairs. [Laughing]
It would be fun though.
To answer a question... yes, there will be a thorough rebuild prior to use.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249019#249019
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
I have a friend in Wyoming that has a Corvair engine he bought on speculation and
tore down and cleaned up and put away.he also has a Wynn manual to build one
up-he will never do anything with it I'm sure and is planning a move to Oklahoma
this year.if anybody wants to talk to him about it-e-mail me and I'll forward
it to him. Raymond.
rhano(at)att.net
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| Subject: | Re: Another Corvair Buy |
I would have to respectfully disagree, and concur with Shad and Jeff
in saying that I don't think there is any good that can come from
attempting to get your core motor running. It might be a different
story if you needed to try to get it running to determine how
extensive of a rebuild you want to undertake. In this case though, you
already know that you will be completely disasembling the entire
engine and inspecting, reworking, overhauling, or replacing every
part. Why run it and risk damaging or destroying any parts?
You've done your due diligence in picking your core. Finding a motor
in a car means it hasn't been laying outside with exposed carbs or
intakes to collect rainwater in the heads (assuming it had the "lid"
closed). You verified the year, HP, and block code. And you made sure
it turned over by hand. That information gives you the best chance of
having a usable core for the aircraft conversion. Attempting to run it
does not.
Have fun tearing it down when you get to that point. We took apart 3.5
engines in the process of collecting all of the parts we needed. It's
plenty of good, messy fun!
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 18, 2009, at 6:24 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
>
> Since I suggested it and have dealt with junk yards in the past.
> There is a strategy in buying from them;: if it has a good body
> either the owner died or the engine and trans did. For my own I
> would want to know that going in. When the body has been hit in the
> rear as corvair one can anticipate broken engine parts if hit in the
> front and an insurance total engine was good and running which is a
> good sign. So getting it to run does tell a great deal about it and
> recommended as it provides a base line from which to approach the
> tear down and rebuild process.
>
> Always nice to know the cracker jack box has a prize in it.
>
> John
>
> John
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Chunard
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Pietenpol builders Board
> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
> Sent: Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Corvair Buy
>
>
> [quote="RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com"]Good points Shad. For airplane use,
> you really don't stand to gain anything/much by running it, as I
> assume this will be a thorough overhaul before flight. Still, it
> would be fun though huh?
>
> Boyce
>
>> [b]
>
>
> Now that these points are made, I've got to agree with the comments
> about not running it. Dang you guys for taking all the fun out...
> and for saving me $$ on unnecessary repairs. [Laughing]
>
> It would be fun though.
>
> To answer a question... yes, there will be a thorough rebuild prior
> to use.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249019#249019
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair and conversion parts for sale |
I hate to part with it=2C but I need the money...
I have nearly everything needed for a William Wynne type conversion with pr
obably $1700-$1800 invested. At that price you'd get all I have for some s
avings based on the current costs (I bought it a couple years ago) but I'll
accept any reasonable offer - I want to see this stuff get used. The only
major components I don't have is the rods (I have cores) and rebuilt heads
(I have many cores). I could deliver to Oshkosh for sure=2C or Brodhead p
ossibly=2C or you could pick-up at my home near Minneapolis=2C MN.
Contact me off list if you're sincerely interested - I don't want everyone
just hunting for a lowball deal - I'm not giving it away - remember=2C I sa
id "reasonable offer" =3B ) I can provide a complete list of what I have
off list.
Thanks=2C
Tom B.
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