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1. 04:38 AM - aluminum buick/olds/rover in piets (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: aluminum buick/olds/rover in piets (Will42)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute ()
4. 07:11 AM - Question about inspection rings (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Question about inspection rings (Gary Boothe)
6. 07:39 AM - Re: Question about inspection rings (shad bell)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute (Mark Roberts)
8. 08:42 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute (Mark Roberts)
10. 09:11 AM - Question about inspection rings (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 09:11 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute (Gary Boothe)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
13. 09:37 AM - Re: Question about inspection rings (Jeff Boatright)
14. 10:10 AM - Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris Airshow (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 10:22 AM - Re: Doug Fir as a substitute (Mark Roberts)
16. 10:22 AM - Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris Airshow (Gary Boothe)
17. 10:54 AM - Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris Air... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
18. 11:22 AM - Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris (Oscar Zuniga)
19. 11:52 AM - Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris Airshow (H RULE)
20. 02:01 PM - Re: Straight Axle gear questions (jorge lizarraga)
21. 02:10 PM - PLEASE!! Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris (Jim Markle)
22. 04:35 PM - Re: PLEASE!! Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris (Wayne Bressler)
23. 05:19 PM - Re: PLEASE!! Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris (amsafetyc@aol.com)
24. 07:34 PM - Re: PLEASE!! Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris (Jim Markle)
25. 09:01 PM - Inspections (Ozarkflyer)
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| Subject: | aluminum buick/olds/rover in piets |
A while back someone was asking about the aluminum buick/olds V8 being used
in piets and I wrote that I'd look through my old backissues.
Found this one with a picture from 94'
Steve Cavanaugh
54 Old Verowra rd
Nornsby NSW 2077
It's his third piet and is using the rover V8 which is our buick/olds
Quotes "good performance, no problems"
I can tell from the photo it is direct drive.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum buick/olds/rover in piets |
Douwe; do you have a picture you could post? Thanks........
Will
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249079#249079
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Fir as a substitute |
The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot of
information in the archives that people should look at more often.
Back in 2000, Steve said
"The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
with
doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total cost
for the fir was less than
$600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75 per
board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than 15lbs,
if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
For what it is (or isn't) worth,
Steve E."
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
> Light = better for me :o)
>
> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
>
> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
> plane. Well (sigh).
>
> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
>
> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
>
> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
> for my long frame.
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
> details before the build.
>
> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
> as I set up for final... :o)
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Question about inspection rings |
Group,
I have just finished covering my one-piece wing. I placed numerous inspection rings
on the bottom surface in all the logical locations. What have others done
when it comes to placing the inspection rings on the top surface. Is this necessary?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Question about inspection rings |
Dan,
Inspection rings on the top surface would be ill-advised as the lift
pressure would be pulling on them.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question about inspection rings
Group,
I have just finished covering my one-piece wing. I placed numerous
inspection rings on the bottom surface in all the logical locations. What
have others done when it comes to placing the inspection rings on the top
surface. Is this necessary?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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<http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000003> recipes for the
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| Subject: | Re: Question about inspection rings |
No inspection rings on top for 92GB.- I don't think I have ever seen insp
. rings on top of any airplane, but then again I never paid that much atten
tion, it would be a potential water ingress point.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Fir as a substitute |
Thanks Chris. I ned to figure out how to search the archives to see
what discussions have "been there, done that."
Thanks for the post, as I am leaning that way (today) in my decision
process. I met with a friend last night that builds a lot of stuff
with wood, and he'll help me pick the stuff out if I ask him. I need
to be right at 650 lbs or so empty to be comfortable when I add my
wife and fuel... If I lose a few pounds too. :o)
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
> archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot of
> information in the archives that people should look at more often.
>
> Back in 2000, Steve said
> "The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
> with
> doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total cost
> for the fir was less than
> $600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75 per
> board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than 15lbs,
> if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
>
> For what it is (or isn't) worth,
>
> Steve E."
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
>>
>> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
>> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
>> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
>> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
>> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
>> Light = better for me :o)
>>
>> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
>> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
>> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
>> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
>> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
>>
>> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
>> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
>> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
>> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
>> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
>> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
>> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
>> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
>> plane. Well (sigh).
>>
>> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
>> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
>> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
>> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
>> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
>> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
>> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
>>
>> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
>>
>> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
>> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
>> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
>> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
>> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
>> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
>> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
>> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
>> for my long frame.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
>> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
>> details before the build.
>>
>> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
>> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
>> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
>> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
>> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
>> as I set up for final... :o)
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Fir as a substitute |
Mark,
Save yourself the anguish of loosing a few pounds, tell your wife to and
if you phrase it right "when I add my
wife and fuel..." you might only have to add fuel ;-)
Hope this helps.
Jake
Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
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06/19/2009 10:21 AM
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
Thanks Chris. I ned to figure out how to search the archives to see
what discussions have "been there, done that."
Thanks for the post, as I am leaning that way (today) in my decision
process. I met with a friend last night that builds a lot of stuff
with wood, and he'll help me pick the stuff out if I ask him. I need
to be right at 650 lbs or so empty to be comfortable when I add my
wife and fuel... If I lose a few pounds too. :o)
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
> archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot
of
> information in the archives that people should look at more often.
>
> Back in 2000, Steve said
> "The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
> with
> doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total
cost
> for the fir was less than
> $600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75
per
> board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than
15lbs,
> if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
>
> For what it is (or isn't) worth,
>
> Steve E."
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts"
<mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
<mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>
>> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
>> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
>> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
>> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
>> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
>> Light = better for me :o)
>>
>> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
>> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
>> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
>> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
>> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
>>
>> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
>> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
>> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
>> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
>> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
>> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
>> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
>> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
>> plane. Well (sigh).
>>
>> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
>> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
>> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
>> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
>> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
>> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
>> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
>>
>> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
>>
>> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
>> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
>> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
>> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
>> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
>> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
>> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
>> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
>> for my long frame.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
>> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
>> details before the build.
>>
>> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
>> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
>> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
>> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
>> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
>> as I set up for final... :o)
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Fir as a substitute |
Thanks Jake! My wife is upstairs and just asked "What are you laughing
at...?" and I had to say "Nuthin' Honey!"
We just watched a 'Forensic File' episode on TRU tv last night where a nurse
killed her husband while he slept with some kind of tranquilizer for
insurance money... I'm not pushing my luck! I now have an educated wife!!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:39 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Save yourself the anguish of loosing a few pounds, tell your wife to and
> if you phrase it right "when I add my
> wife and fuel..." you might only have to add fuel ;-)
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Jake
>
>
> *Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>*
> Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>
> 06/19/2009 10:21 AM
> Please respond to
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> To
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com cc
> Subject
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
>
> Thanks Chris. I ned to figure out how to search the archives to see
> what discussions have "been there, done that."
>
> Thanks for the post, as I am leaning that way (today) in my decision
> process. I met with a friend last night that builds a lot of stuff
> with wood, and he'll help me pick the stuff out if I ask him. I need
> to be right at 650 lbs or so empty to be comfortable when I add my
> wife and fuel... If I lose a few pounds too. :o)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
> > archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot
> of
> > information in the archives that people should look at more often.
> >
> > Back in 2000, Steve said
> > "The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
> > with
> > doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total cost
> > for the fir was less than
> > $600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75 per
> > board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than
> 15lbs,
> > if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
> >
> > For what it is (or isn't) worth,
> >
> > Steve E."
> >
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> > WestCoastPiet.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
> >
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
> >
> >
> mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
> >> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
> >> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
> >> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
> >> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
> >> Light = better for me :o)
> >>
> >> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
> >> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
> >> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
> >> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
> >> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
> >>
> >> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
> >> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
> >> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
> >> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
> >> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
> >> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
> >> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
> >> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
> >> plane. Well (sigh).
> >>
> >> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
> >> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
> >> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
> >> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
> >> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
> >> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
> >> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
> >>
> >> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
> >>
> >> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
> >> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
> >> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
> >> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
> >> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
> >> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
> >> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
> >> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
> >> for my long frame.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
> >> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
> >> details before the build.
> >>
> >> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
> >> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
> >> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
> >> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
> >> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
> >> as I set up for final... :o)
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Question about inspection rings |
No inspection rings on the top surfaces anywhere on 41CC...
all are on the shady side.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
Getting engine swap to A75
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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That's a great idea, Jake!
Not sure how one would build from a motel room, either..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Mark,
Save yourself the anguish of loosing a few pounds, tell your wife to and if
you phrase it right "when I add my
wife and fuel..." you might only have to add fuel ;-)
Hope this helps.
Jake
Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
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Thanks Chris. I ned to figure out how to search the archives to see
what discussions have "been there, done that."
Thanks for the post, as I am leaning that way (today) in my decision
process. I met with a friend last night that builds a lot of stuff
with wood, and he'll help me pick the stuff out if I ask him. I need
to be right at 650 lbs or so empty to be comfortable when I add my
wife and fuel... If I lose a few pounds too. :o)
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
> archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot of
> information in the archives that people should look at more often.
>
> Back in 2000, Steve said
> "The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
> with
> doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total cost
> for the fir was less than
> $600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75 per
> board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than
15lbs,
> if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
>
> For what it is (or isn't) worth,
>
> Steve E."
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
<mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>
>> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
>> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
>> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
>> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
>> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
>> Light = better for me :o)
>>
>> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
>> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
>> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
>> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
>> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
>>
>> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
>> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
>> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
>> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
>> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
>> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
>> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
>> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
>> plane. Well (sigh).
>>
>> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
>> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
>> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
>> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
>> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
>> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
>> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
>>
>> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
>>
>> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
>> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
>> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
>> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
>> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
>> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
>> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
>> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
>> for my long frame.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
>> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
>> details before the build.
>>
>> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
>> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
>> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
>> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
>> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
>> as I set up for final... :o)
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Mark,
if your food smells like almonds, don't eat it.
Jake
Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
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Thanks Jake! My wife is upstairs and just asked "What are you laughing
at...?" and I had to say "Nuthin' Honey!"
We just watched a 'Forensic File' episode on TRU tv last night where a
nurse killed her husband while he slept with some kind of tranquilizer for
insurance money... I'm not pushing my luck! I now have an educated wife!!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:39 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
wrote:
Mark,
Save yourself the anguish of loosing a few pounds, tell your wife to and
if you phrase it right "when I add my
wife and fuel..." you might only have to add fuel ;-)
Hope this helps.
Jake
Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
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Thanks Chris. I ned to figure out how to search the archives to see
what discussions have "been there, done that."
Thanks for the post, as I am leaning that way (today) in my decision
process. I met with a friend last night that builds a lot of stuff
with wood, and he'll help me pick the stuff out if I ask him. I need
to be right at 650 lbs or so empty to be comfortable when I add my
wife and fuel... If I lose a few pounds too. :o)
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
> archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot
of
> information in the archives that people should look at more often.
>
> Back in 2000, Steve said
> "The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
> with
> doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total
cost
> for the fir was less than
> $600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75
per
> board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than
15lbs,
> if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
>
> For what it is (or isn't) worth,
>
> Steve E."
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>
>> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
>> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
>> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
>> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
>> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
>> Light = better for me :o)
>>
>> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
>> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
>> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
>> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
>> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
>>
>> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
>> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
>> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
>> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
>> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
>> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
>> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
>> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
>> plane. Well (sigh).
>>
>> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
>> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
>> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
>> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
>> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
>> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
>> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
>>
>> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
>>
>> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
>> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
>> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
>> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
>> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
>> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
>> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
>> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
>> for my long frame.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
>> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
>> details before the build.
>>
>> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
>> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
>> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
>> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
>> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
>> as I set up for final... :o)
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about inspection rings |
No inspection rings on top of N1EE's wing. Never seen them on other
planes, either.
>Group,
>
>I have just finished covering my one-piece wing. I placed numerous
>inspection rings on the bottom surface in all the logical locations.
>What have others done when it comes to placing the inspection rings
>on the top surface. Is this necessary?
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris |
Airshow
The guy doing the announcing here is a Lockheed-Martin Chief Airshow Test P
ilot (talk about a dream job) and has
a resemblance to Jim Markle.
It does my heart good to know that old guys like us can still fly hot jets
like that in airshow demonstrations. (of course
we'll never get the opportunity but we can always do smoke jobs at Brodhead
or formation with a few other Peterpullers.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/video/?fr_story=dbb8451f3914c4b9ad1ab1d7c5
f35c30fd89404f&rf=bm
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You must watch the same show :oD
Mark
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> if your food smells like almonds, don't eat it.
>
> Jake
>
>
> Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>
> 06/19/2009 10:52 AM
>
> Please respond to
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> To
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
> Thanks Jake! My wife is upstairs and just asked "What are you laughing
> at...?" and I had to say "Nuthin' Honey!"
>
> We just watched a 'Forensic File' episode on TRU tv last night where a nurse
> killed her husband while he slept with some kind of tranquilizer for
> insurance money...I'mnotpushingmyluck!Inowhaveaneducatedwife!!
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:39 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Save yourself the anguish of loosing a few pounds, tell your wife to and if
> you phrase it right "when I add my
> wife and fuel..." you might only have to add fuel ;-)
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Jake
>
>
> Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>
> 06/19/2009 10:21 AM
>
> Please respond to
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> To
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>
>
>
> Thanks Chris. I ned to figure out how to search the archives to see
> what discussions have "been there, done that."
>
> Thanks for the post, as I am leaning that way (today) in my decision
> process. I met with a friend last night that builds a lot of stuff
> with wood, and he'll help me pick the stuff out if I ask him. I need
> to be right at 650 lbs or so empty to be comfortable when I add my
> wife and fuel... If I lose a few pounds too. :o)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> The question of weight and Doug fir comes up often so I searched the
>> archives to see what Steve Eldrige had to say about his. There is a lot of
>> information in the archives that people should look at more often.
>>
>> Back in 2000, Steve said
>> "The above statement is simply exaggerated. I built my piet exclusively
>> with
>> doug fir. Flying weight is 626 pounds (short fuselage, A-65). Total cost
>> for the fir was less than
>> $600. Spars, longerons, the whole works. 108 brd feet at about $5.75 per
>> board ft. I estimate my increase in weight over spruce is less than
>> 15lbs,
>> if that. Cost was about a quarter that of spruce.
>>
>> For what it is (or isn't) worth,
>>
>> Steve E."
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>> WestCoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:13 AM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doug Fir as a substitute
>>
>>
>>> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> First, I would like to thank everyone for the patience you've shown
>>> with my deliberations over the choice of wood or steel for the fuse. I
>>> realize after looking at my posts that some of it might have been over
>>> thinking the issue, but if I am spending 4 years (I hope less) on
>>> building something, I want to make sure I am happy with the results.
>>> Light = better for me :o)
>>>
>>> However, looking at Doug Fir as an alternative to spruce... I am
>>> re-reading the EAA book on wood, and it struck me as funny that the
>>> second article in the book was about using Fir as a substitute for
>>> spruce. One of the next articles in the book was NOT to use anything
>>> but spruce for critical members such as Fuse longerons.
>>>
>>> Now, some reason need to be applied here, as everyone has a few basic
>>> things in common: Body orifices and opinions (phrase cleaned up here
>>> for general consumption...). I get that one guy says never use fir and
>>> another says it's OK. The funny thing is, is both seemed to have
>>> impressive credentials. The one praising fir was a Dr. of aeronautics
>>> and involved in sailplanes and the other was Mr. Evans of Volksplane
>>> fame. He said after reading about compression fractures in wood, that
>>> he went back to recommending only spruce for structural members of the
>>> plane. Well (sigh).
>>>
>>> So, I am thinking, weight not withstanding (remember all of my other
>>> posts wringing my hands about steel over wood??), what would be the
>>> equivalent size in fir to equal the same strength in spruce? Is there
>>> a rule of thumb? For instance, if I were to order from ACS or Wicks 1"
>>> x 1" capstrip spruce for the fuse construction, would the equivalent
>>> strength size be say, 3/4" square? What could the fir be pared down to
>>> to equal the strength component of the spruce.
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever seen a comparison such as this?
>>>
>>> The first mentioned author said 'nuts' to the changing of sizes for
>>> this type of substitution, and said just use the regular size called
>>> for and get over the weight difference. I am re-drawing / modeling the
>>> plane in stages in Sketch up 7 to determine all of the little things
>>> I'll encounter in the real build (a way of scratching the itch till
>>> all the money is there...) and I could work out the inconsistencies
>>> with the plans size changes then. I'm going to have to do this anyway
>>> as my height will warrant the deepening of the fuse a couple of inches
>>> for my long frame.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback. I hope the posts don't seem like idle
>>> 'excitement' chatter, as I am trying to wrap my head around the
>>> details before the build.
>>>
>>> (As an aside, the more I am reading, the more I am understanding this
>>> is a normal phenomenon amongst homebuilders of the first go 'round. I
>>> just feel excessive in the ponderings. Job? What job.... I'm at 5000
>>> on a nice summer evening looking down on wafts of smoke billowing off
>>> of an agriculture burn, and seeing the lights pop on in little houses
>>> as I set up for final... :o)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris |
Airshow
Mike,
As usual, you are exactly right.
Last year, while in California visiting the West Coast Pieters, we got Jim
drunk on cheap wine and he confessed that he has an alter-ego, who likes to
go fast!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the
Paris Airshow
The guy doing the announcing here is a Lockheed-Martin Chief Airshow Test
Pilot (talk about a dream job) and has
a resemblance to Jim Markle.
It does my heart good to know that old guys like us can still fly hot jets
like that in airshow demonstrations. (of course
we'll never get the opportunity but we can always do smoke jobs at Brodhead
or formation with a few other Peterpullers.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/video/?fr_story=dbb8451f3914c4b9ad1ab1d7c5f35
c30fd89404f
<http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/video/?fr_story=dbb8451f3914c4b9ad1ab1d7c5f3
5c30fd89404f&rf=bm> &rf=bm
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris |
Air...
The only way to tell the difference is Markle doesn't fly jets! Now if it
were the Piet well then it could be Markle in the split S maneuver.
John
**************Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349
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| Subject: | Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris |
Mikee, I'm a little confused. The gentleman in the Paris
Airshow video looks like Jim Markle's son. Jim is a much
older guy, chicken farmer or something, and definitely
not debonair like the announcer in the video.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris |
Airshow
I'm still trying to figure out how to get a heads up display in my GN-1=C2
- with a G recovery system as well as an ejection seat.There doesn't seem
to be enough room for all that stuff!;-)=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A
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ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list
@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, June 19, 200
9 12:55:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies th
e F-16 at the Paris Airshow=0A=0AThe guy doing the announcing here is a Loc
kheed-Martin Chief Airshow Test Pilot (talk about a dream job) and has=0Aa
resemblance to Jim Markle.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =0A=0AIt does my heart g
ood to know that old guys like us can still fly hot jets like that in airsh
ow demonstrations.=C2-=C2- (of course=0Awe=99ll never get the opp
ortunity but we can always do smoke jobs at Brodhead or formation with a fe
w other Peterpullers. =0A=0Ahttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/video/?fr_story
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle gear questions |
congratulation for you great progres in you piet im in the same for now vis
it my wife and my child in mexico i hope sooner you put your engine in thes
e beauty ship seyou next jorge from hanford
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear questions
Thank you for the help, both Jack and Dan.- Yes Dan I've read the gear co
nstruction write up that Chris did on westcoastpiet.com.- I chose to do m
ine differently (right side up), but still got the job done.- Thanks for
the tips.- I'll get to work on the axle part soon.- Hopefully you can s
ee the attached pic of what I have done thus far.-
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear questions
Mike,
Please see the attached. As you might see, I have elongated the "sheath" tu
be on my "axle locator" tube system into an oval shape. This is to allow a
"rocking" motion on the gear, without putting an undo strain on the tube th
at is welded onto the axle. Please note I have not flown with this set-up.
I unashamedly copied it from Simon McCormack from "down under" www.westcoas
tpiet.com. They look at things from a "different" perspective there, and ma
ny times have some superb ideas. Also, have you looked at Chris Tracey's st
raight axle gear fabrication instructions on the westcoastpiet site?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:36 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle gear questions
Ok , I have been working on my straight axle gear, but I have a couple of q
uestions. First how much room should I allow between the gear legs and the
brakes for the bungees?- If I remember correctly Jack Phillips said he le
ft 6".--- Also how much travel should I allow for the axle.- What I
'm asking about is the axle locator tube system like Mike Cuy has that keep
s the axle from rotating or sliding from side to side.- How much length s
hould I have?
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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the Paris
If I could just stop laughing for a minute this would probably offend me!!
You guys are a riot!
Uhhh, and I'm just gonna keep quiet for now....I have a loooooong memory...
I'm on my way home from St Louis where I just spent a couple hours at the WACO
fly in at Creve Couer....now THERE I saw some old timers (AND old airplanes)!
But some incredibly beautiful airplanes. I've attached a couple of (small) pics.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 1:22 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris
>
>
>
>Mikee, I'm a little confused. The gentleman in the Paris
>Airshow video looks like Jim Markle's son. Jim is a much
>older guy, chicken farmer or something, and definitely
>not debonair like the announcer in the video.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 |
at the Paris
Jim,
What is that yellow and black beauty in the last photo? Very nice!
Do not archive
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> If I could just stop laughing for a minute this would probably
> offend me!!
>
> You guys are a riot!
>
> Uhhh, and I'm just gonna keep quiet for now....I have a loooooong
> memory...
>
> I'm on my way home from St Louis where I just spent a couple hours
> at the WACO fly in at Creve Couer....now THERE I saw some old timers
> (AND old airplanes)! But some incredibly beautiful airplanes. I've
> attached a couple of (small) pics.
>
> jm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Jun 19, 2009 1:22 PM
>> To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16
>> at the Paris
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Mikee, I'm a little confused. The gentleman in the Paris
>> Airshow video looks like Jim Markle's son. Jim is a much
>> older guy, chicken farmer or something, and definitely
>> not debonair like the announcer in the video.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> <3 in a row.jpg>
> <canuck at creve couer.jpg>
> <yellow.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 |
at the Paris
To tell the truth I grow weary of all this Jim Markle business I think as adults
we need to put it to bed and move on.
Will the real Jim Markle please stand up
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: PLEASE!! Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at
the Paris
If I could just stop laughing for a minute this would probably offend me!!
You guys are a riot!
Uhhh, and I'm just gonna keep quiet for now....I have a loooooong memory...
I'm on my way home from St Louis where I just spent a couple hours at the WACO
fly in at Creve Couer....now THERE I saw some old timers (AND old airplanes)!
But some incredibly beautiful airplanes. I've attached a couple of (small) pics.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 1:22 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16 at the Paris
>
>
>
>Mikee, I'm a little confused. The gentleman in the Paris
>Airshow video looks like Jim Markle's son. Jim is a much
>older guy, chicken farmer or something, and definitely
>not debonair like the announcer in the video.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>do not archive
>
>
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at the Paris
>
>Jim,
>
>What is that yellow and black beauty in the last photo? Very nice!
And that hangar was FULL of beautiful airplanes. ALL fly on a regular basis too.
Wow.
I looked up the registration and apparently it's a 1933 F-13 Flagg. Honestly,
beyond that I haven't a clue. But it was incredible.
Until just now I didn't even see that (what looks like a) knucklehead Harley behind
it.
JM
>
>Do not archive
>
>Wayne Bressler Jr.
>Taildraggers, Inc.
>taildraggersinc.com
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>wrote:
>
>> If I could just stop laughing for a minute this would probably
>> offend me!!
>>
>> You guys are a riot!
>>
>> Uhhh, and I'm just gonna keep quiet for now....I have a loooooong
>> memory...
>>
>> I'm on my way home from St Louis where I just spent a couple hours
>> at the WACO fly in at Creve Couer....now THERE I saw some old timers
>> (AND old airplanes)! But some incredibly beautiful airplanes. I've
>> attached a couple of (small) pics.
>>
>> jm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Jun 19, 2009 1:22 PM
>>> To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's stunt double flies the F-16
>>> at the Paris
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Mikee, I'm a little confused. The gentleman in the Paris
>>> Airshow video looks like Jim Markle's son. Jim is a much
>>> older guy, chicken farmer or something, and definitely
>>> not debonair like the announcer in the video.
>>>
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Air Camper NX41CC
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> <3 in a row.jpg>
>> <canuck at creve couer.jpg>
>> <yellow.jpg>
>
>
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