---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/21/09: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Clif Dawson) 2. 05:44 AM - Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17"wheels (rameses32) 3. 07:07 AM - Re: Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17 (Jim Markle) 4. 07:10 AM - (amsafetyc@aol.com) 5. 09:37 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 12:07 PM - A75 swap on 41CC (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 12:07 PM - Re: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! (Mark Roberts) 8. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gene Rambo) 9. 01:32 PM - 8409 Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC) 10. 02:51 PM - Re: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft (Ryan Mueller) 11. 03:06 PM - Re: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft (Rick Holland) 12. 03:24 PM - Re: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft (K5YAC) 13. 03:41 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (bmccraw@cogeco.ca) 14. 03:41 PM - Re: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft (Michael Silvius) 15. 03:51 PM - Re: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft (Michael Silvius) 16. 03:55 PM - Re: A75 swap on 41CC (Isablcorky@aol.com) 17. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Turnbuckle safety (Gary Boothe) 18. 07:31 PM - Re: A75 swap on 41CC (Tim Willis) 19. 08:12 PM - LAMA award for Outstanding Individual (Oscar Zuniga) 20. 10:45 PM - Re: Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17 (rameses32) 21. 10:57 PM - Well, I finally weighed the Holden 186 inline 6 engine:( (rameses32) 22. 11:21 PM - "LAMA Award for Outstanding Individual" (ALAN LYSCARS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:30 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety You don't have to drill holes or any other exotic things. The whole idea is to keep the barrel from turning so just run the wire through the space between the turnbuckle end and the landing gear bracket inside the motorcycle links. > Jim, > > Thanks for asking! Tomorrow I will safety the turnbuckles, but I still > have > work to do on the axle. It will be similar to Dan Helsper's (but not so > brightly painted). > > Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17"wheels From: "rameses32" Building my wheels, finished the hubs, and I was looking at my new spokes I began to wonder, My spokes are 12 gage, will that be strong enough? The wheels are 17", tyres are 2 3/4" . I haven't bent or rolled the threads yet. CHarley Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249333#249333 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:47 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17 I think most use 10ga... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=67 -----Original Message----- >From: rameses32 >Sent: Jun 21, 2009 7:43 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17"wheels > > >Building my wheels, finished the hubs, and I was looking at my new spokes I began to wonder, My spokes are 12 gage, will that be strong enough? The wheels are 17", tyres are 2 3/4" . I haven't bent or rolled the threads yet. >CHarley > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249333#249333 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:55 AM PST US From: amsafetyc@aol.com Happy fathers day to all John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:26 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans Hey Darrel Just wanted to make sure you received my payment. Please advise Thanks John Recine In a message dated 6/4/2009 10:53:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wd6bor@vom.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Darrel Jones I just received another request for a copy of the Pfeifer Sport plans, so thought I would check and make sure that everyone who requested a copy received them. So far I have sent out about 30 discs and heard back from about a third of those who requested the copies. Let me know if you asked for one but didn't receive it. See you at Brodhead! Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! JunestepsfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:51 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: A75 swap on 41CC I've put up some pictures of the ongoing work of swapping the engine on 41CC to an A75. Getting there! Pictures are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! From: Mark Roberts Thanks guys! I'm going to try to get in touch with the feller in my own town today that said he had several parts and cores to chose from. I will print the pages of this thread and those attached to reference. THANKS for the help and advice. I think I have the stuff I planned to sell sold and I will be getting the plans and Wynnes book soon so I can begin to answer at least a few of my own question! Mark On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > Further note...If he's 'giving' you the engine, no matter which one, don't > turn it down. It's good trading material. My first engine that I got (before > I had WW's book) was a 140 hp. The guy that rebuilt my heads traded mine for > the right ones. I got the right crank thru a different deal. Corvair race > guys are looking for the 140 engines. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Silvius > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:58 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! > > > Mark: > > Let me add to my previous note that ideally what you want is a 110 non-smog > engine. But anything with an 8409 crank will do especially if it is a > freebie. > > No matter what you do, do not tear in to it until you get WW's manual so you > get the details on the particulars, and under no circumstance remove the > long head bolts from the case. These will be some degree of trouble as the > lower set are likely to exhibit some rust on the ends and the nuts will not > want to budge without turning the stud in the case. > > good luck > > Michael > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Roberts" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:11 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine... maybe 3 or 4! > > >>> >> I have planned to buy Wynne's book, but I haven't yet had the chance >> to tap that one yet before this, so any advice on the basics of what >> to look for in a core/engine to rebuild (just the primer version so I >> can get what is needed) would be helpful. >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:42 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety Gary, you didn't drill through the turnbuckle fitting did you!!!!!!!!!???????????? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety I thought I should include a picture showing my fix...sorry for the fuzziness, but the hole is the shiny part, just at the end of the turnbuckle end. I know, I know...if the Gestapo sees this I could lose my A&P cert. This fix would not be a consideration if these were primary control cables. Gary Thanks, Gene... Thanks, Raymond. I went out on the back porch, had a glass of ice water and communed with nature for a few minutes, and came up with the exact resolution you describe. I can now use the double wrap method. For any who may not have followed, I probably purchased the wrong end. After the pin went thru (which fits tightly), I had no place to run the safety wire thru. As Raymond suggested, I drilled a small hole, big enough for the safety wire, on the exposed part of the tab. Life is good..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:40 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety > I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe drill a hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist off-it obviously can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross wrap the two wires from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and twist together it should work? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249282#249282 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft From: "K5YAC" Perhaps this should be in the Corvair engine section, but there is much more activity in the Piet section, and plenty of Corvair gurus. Simple question... does this look like and 8409 crankshaft to you guys? This number is stamped between the 1st and 2nd connecting rod journals. The "84" portion as perfectly clear, but the other two digits could be an two round characters... difficult to make out. Could it be anything else? I mean, were there other series of numbers they stamped that may be similar, or is it a pretty safe bet that "8 4 X X" is 8409. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249389#249389 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/8409_214.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft That's an 8409 crank, Mark. To me, the '09' is faint, but it's there. Either way, the only other codes that would be stamped are 5607, and I think 7293. So you have the right one. Congrats! Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2009, at 3:32 PM, "K5YAC" wrote: > > Perhaps this should be in the Corvair engine section, but there is > much more activity in the Piet section, and plenty of Corvair gurus. > > Simple question... does this look like and 8409 crankshaft to you > guys? This number is stamped between the 1st and 2nd connecting rod > journals. The "84" portion as perfectly clear, but the other two > digits could be an two round characters... difficult to make out. > Could it be anything else? I mean, were there other series of > numbers they stamped that may be similar, or is it a pretty safe bet > that "8 4 X X" is 8409. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249389#249389 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/8409_214.jpg > >



________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft From: Rick Holland > > Perhaps this should be in the Corvair engine section, but there is much > more activity in the Piet section, and plenty of Corvair gurus. > AND their are no arrogant jerks on the Piet newsgroup , the corvair aircraft newsgroup is full of them for some reason. > > > Simple question... does this look like and 8409 crankshaft to you guys? > This number is stamped between the 1st and 2nd connecting rod journals. > The "84" portion as perfectly clear, but the other two digits could be an > two round characters... difficult to make out. Could it be anything else? > I mean, were there other series of numbers they stamped that may be > similar, or is it a pretty safe bet that "8 4 X X" is 8409. > > Don't know of anything else that crank number could be but 8409. Rick > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft From: "K5YAC" Thanks fellers... so far, this disassembly is looking great. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249403#249403 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:06 PM PST US From: bmccraw@cogeco.ca Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans > Darrel: Can you send a copy of the Pfeifer plans to Canada? Tell me how much and I'll send it. Thanks Bill McCraw > > Hey Darrel > > Just wanted to make sure you received my payment. > > Please advise > > Thanks > > John Recine > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > JunestepsfooterNO62) > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:48 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft Sure looks like it to me. The other way to tell, if your crank wont turn enough to see the number is by looking for the case clearance cut out where the connecting rod bolts go past the side of the case right by the cylinder bore. Stick the tip of your finger in there and feel for the swath of the case that has been machined out to clearance the travel of the connecting rod bolt. If it does not have it has the old short throw crank. Not the end of the world but the case made for the 8409 is the desirable one. To see what you are looking for on the case go to Pat Panzera' page at: http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/CaseClearance.html first pix is an older case for the short throw crank the third pix is what you are looking for. As you notice Pat shows us the way to make an old case fit an 8409 crank. So if some one gives you an old case I would not turn it down either. A while back I was the fortunate recipient of just such a gift via our comrade at arms Alan Lyscars. Some day I will try Pat Panzeras conversion trick just for yuks. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" > > Simple question... does this look like and 8409 crankshaft to you guys? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:46 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 8409 Corvair Crankshaft More details on the subject of Corvair engine identification from Pat Panzera's page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/EngineID.htm ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:02 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A75 swap on 41CC Beautiful. I'm as proud as you. Corky **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:29 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety Yes. I know that renders it un-usable in the world of certified aircraft, but I am really not concerned in this use. As I said, I would never do this on primary controls. I would be willing to bet that there are flying Piets out there without AN hardware. Do you, or anyone on this list, have experience that would dictate other? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety Gary, you didn't drill through the turnbuckle fitting did you!!!!!!!!!???????????? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety I thought I should include a picture showing my fix...sorry for the fuzziness, but the hole is the shiny part, just at the end of the turnbuckle end. I know, I know...if the Gestapo sees this I could lose my A&P cert. This fix would not be a consideration if these were primary control cables. Gary Thanks, Gene... Thanks, Raymond. I went out on the back porch, had a glass of ice water and communed with nature for a few minutes, and came up with the exact resolution you describe. I can now use the double wrap method. For any who may not have followed, I probably purchased the wrong end. After the pin went thru (which fits tightly), I had no place to run the safety wire thru. As Raymond suggested, I drilled a small hole, big enough for the safety wire, on the exposed part of the tab. Life is good..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle safety I don't know whether you have room or it would be permissible,but maybe drill a hole in the tab to run the wires through on that end and twist off-it obviously can't turn the eye on that end.I would think if you cross wrap the two wires from the middle hole to the tab and go through it and twist together it should work? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249282#249282 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:58 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A75 swap on 41CC Oscar, This looks like a first class installation in progress. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Jun 21, 2009 1:57 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: A75 swap on 41CC > > > >I've put up some pictures of the ongoing work of swapping >the engine on 41CC to an A75. Getting there! Pictures >are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:54 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual I am nominating William Wynne=2C "The Corvair Authority"=2C for this award based on his tireless contributions towards experimental aviation and affor dable engine conversions for our airplanes. William is the perfect example of what it means to be an outstanding individual in light aircraft develop ment. I encourage you to place your own e-vote by emailing lpburke5@comcas t.net and voting for William. Thanks. Here's the text of the invitation: >Dear Aviation Enthusiast (via editor@contactmagazine.com): > > Some time ago in early Jun we asked for your nomination of some > individual in the field of light aviation that you think deserving of > the prestigious "LAMA Award for Outstanding Individual." > > We value your input very much=2C as the winner is the one who receives > the most nominations=2C and we want to make sure that we are getting a > representative cross-section of the USA and International light > aviation community. > > Each year at EAA AirVenture=2C the Light Aircraft Manufacturers > Association (LAMA) awards some individual this award. >The award is presented at show central the first day of AirVenture. > This will be our 18th year of presenting this award. > > Therefore=2C we ask you to please nominate someone you think deserving > of the award. > Previous winners of the award=2C no longer eligible=2C appear below. > > Thank you very much! > > Larry Burke=2C Chair Emeritus > Light Aircraft Manufacturers Association > > Here are our past winners: > > Dick VanGrunsven > Randy Schlitter > Lance Neibauer > Phil Reed > Homer Kolb > Dennis Soder > Tom Peghiny > Bob Gavinsky > Darryl Murphy > Chris Heintz > Chuck Slusarczyk > Mike Loehle > Phil Lockwood > Earl Lawrence > Dan Johnson > Eric Tucker > Matthias Betsch > Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can I use 12 Gage spokes in my 17 From: "rameses32" I can fully understand why my wife says I am an idiot sometimes, I just looked at my pack of spokes, and they are 10 gage.I dug through 50 packs of 12 gage to find them last week and for some reason I had it in my little brain that they were 12 gage, duhhh, I am so smart "S*M*R*T". Now back to drilling 72 holes Charley Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249466#249466 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well, I finally weighed the Holden 186 inline 6 engine:( From: "rameses32" Comes in at 285lbs, thats without water pump, prop, prop hub, radiator, manifold, exhaust or carburetor. Bit on the heavy side, even with the better performance than the Model A ford engine, I don't think I can use it unless I want to build the Piet as a single seater. Drat, oh well back to the drawing board:) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249467#249467 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:45 PM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: "LAMA Award for Outstanding Individual" Mr. Larry Burke Chair Emeritus Light Aircraft Manufacturers Association (LAMA) vial EMAIL June 22, 2009 Dear Larry: I have the honor and privilege to nominate Mr. William Wynne, of Orange Park, Florida, to receive this year's LAMA Award for Outstanding Individual. Mr. Wynne exemplifies and promotes an, in the twenty-first century, almost lost craft in the field of Light Aviation: namely, the conversion of powerplant technology from almost half a century ago to the needs of homebuilt light aircraft builders today. I have known William for at least five years. The last time we had a chance to "compare notes" was nearly three weeks ago when I attended one of William's "Corvair Colleges" in Lowell, Massachusetts. William's Corvair College is usually hosted and supported by local light airplane builders, like me, located in various regions of our country who invite William to come and share his more than twenty years of Corvair engine conversion-to-airwork experience. William, to my knowledge, has never accepted a gratuity or stipend for this work; indeed, I sense William's remuneration is gained from the satisfaction of seeing his years of research and testing of the Corvair engine for air come to fruition in the completion of airworthy engines by his students. Absolutely, William Wynne is an Educator in the best sense of the word. And I think, even more importantly, William Wynne has and continues to do great service to we least advantaged of all aviators: those of little money but great enthusiasm and mechanical ability. William, all by himself, has helped to bridge 20th century engine technology toward the needs of 21st century airplane builders. Mr. Wynne represents, in fact, the spirit of aviation, of the I-can-do-it-movement- that was so stunningly expressed by Orville and Wilbur Wright over a century ago. I believe that the Committee would be severely remiss in not awarding Mr. William Wynne this year's LAMA Award for Outstanding Individual. Therefore I heartily, and highly, recommend him for this award. Please feel free to contact me with any question/comment. Truly yours, Alan S. 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