---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/22/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:15 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Tim Willis) 2. 08:23 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Mark Roberts) 3. 09:11 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Bill Church) 4. 09:38 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Mark Roberts) 5. 09:42 AM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 6. 11:40 AM - Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual (K5YAC) 7. 11:56 AM - Fw: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com sent this to you using Google Maps: Search results for "pietenpol" (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 8. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual (Ryan Mueller) 9. 12:21 PM - Re: Fw: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com sent this to you using Google Maps: Search results for "pietenpol" (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 10. 12:21 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Tim Willis) 11. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 12. 01:23 PM - Re: Rusty Nuts (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 13. 01:25 PM - Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual (K5YAC) 14. 05:19 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Darrel Jones) 15. 05:22 PM - Re: Pfeifer Sport plans (Darrel Jones) 16. 07:36 PM - GN-1 plans sheet count (Ameet Savant) 17. 07:49 PM - Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (Rick Holland) 18. 10:23 PM - Photos from Brussels (Bill Church) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:27 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans Darrel, I must have missed the first of this thread. Is the Pfeifer a derivation or a counterpart of the Pietenpol? If so, what does it do/ how is it built differently? While I am too far along in the Corky/Tim build to incorporate any of its innovations, I'm always a curious fellow, as many will attest, often not in the most polite use of the word. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans From: Mark Roberts I too, a newbie to the thread when the Pfeifer was discussed am curious about it... I will see if I can search the archives an see what it is, but if you have a pointer towards info, I'd be interested too... Mark On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Tim Willis wrote: > > > Darrel, > > I must have missed the first of this thread. Is the Pfeifer a derivation or a counterpart of the Pietenpol? If so, what does it do/ how is it built differently? > > While I am too far along in the Corky/Tim build to incorporate any of its innovations, I'm always a curious fellow, as many will attest, often not in the most polite use of the word. > > Tim in central TX > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans From: "Bill Church" You guys really need to take advantage of the Search function on the Pietenpol List. http://www.matronics.com/search/ I just did a search for "Pfeifer" on the Pietenpol List, and came up with 47 replies. A few minutes of reading and you'll be right up to speed. Or, if that's too labor intensive for you, try these links: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58840&sid=7400dd3c495b564 86e e22d51a8a19178 here's the original thread: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=57833&highlight=pfeifer Seriously, though, give the Search function a try - it's a very useful tool. You can find useful information on just about any Piet-related topic there. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans From: Mark Roberts Duly noted. Sorry for clogging up the thread. I have not tried the serch feature of this list yet, so I ill do so in the future before posting. Thanks for the links Bill! Mark On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > > You guys really need to take advantage of the Search function on the > Pietenpol List. > > *http://www.matronics.com/search/* > > I just did a search for "Pfeifer" on the Pietenpol List, and came up with > 47 replies. A few minutes of reading and you'll be right up to speed. > > Or, if that's too labor intensive for you, try these links: > > * > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58840&sid=7400dd3c495b56486ee22d51a8a19178 > * > > here's the original thread: > > *http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=57833&highlight=pfeifer* > > Seriously, though, give the Search function a try - it's a very useful > tool. You can find useful information on just about any Piet-related topic > there. > > Bill C. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Darrel, I would very much like a set. Are you planning on being at Brodhead this year? if so I could pick them up then, save you shipping. Thanks Jake Spiegel 1025 5th st Jesup Iowa, 50648 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual From: "K5YAC" Here! Here! I second that. William spoke to me on the phone for over an hour several months ago, prior to purchasing a single thing from him. It wasn't a sales pitch... he was very informative and honest as he answered many of my beginner questions. I have since purchased several of his educational items. Some of the best $$ I've spent so far. He and his materials have given me confidence in using the Corvair. In fact... here is a photo from my garage yesterday! Car was delivered Friday, engine was out Saturday... after a few days for the head bolts to soak in PB Blaster I'll break it down further and get the parts out to the appropriate shops. Thanks William! Hope you Win! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249559#249559 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/myvair_183.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com sent this to you using Google Maps: Search results for "pietenpol" From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com if anyone would like have a pin added for them let me know. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pietenpol&mrt=kmlkmz&sll=42.948381,-91.702881&sspn=5.677084,9.755859&ie=UTF8&z=7 > Jake Spiegel This email was sent to you by a user on Google Maps (maps.google.com) ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageL abs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual From: Ryan Mueller Mark, Have fun with the tear-down. The head nuts are always fun to try and remove. One of the methods we tried, which helped to prevent the studs from turning out with the nuts, was to take a pair of vise grips and clamp them tightly onto the head stud near the base of the cylinder (below the fins, so you can the most engagement). Ideally, have a helper hold the vise grips while you attempt to turn the nut off the head. Although you can't get a super strong grip on base of the stud, something is better than nothing, and it can be just enough to keep the stud from turning on you. We had a pair of vise grips with slightly worn jaws, so it didn't leave much of a mark on the studs. Good luck, and have fun! Ryan On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > Here! Here! I second that. > > William spoke to me on the phone for over an hour several months ago, prior > to purchasing a single thing from him. It wasn't a sales pitch... he was > very informative and honest as he answered many of my beginner questions. > > I have since purchased several of his educational items. Some of the best > $$ I've spent so far. He and his materials have given me confidence in > using the Corvair. > > In fact... here is a photo from my garage yesterday! Car was delivered > Friday, engine was out Saturday... after a few days for the head bolts to > soak in PB Blaster I'll break it down further and get the parts out to the > appropriate shops. > > Thanks William! Hope you Win! > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249559#249559 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/myvair_183.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:31 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com sent this to you using Google Maps: Search results for "pietenpol" Brian Jardine SLC-Utah From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com sent this to you using Google Maps: Search results for "pietenpol" if anyone would like have a pin added for them let me know. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pie tenpol&mr t=kmlkmz&sll=42.948381,-91.702881&sspn=5.677084,9.755859&ie=UTF8& z=7 > Jake Spiegel This email was sent to you by a user on Google Maps (maps.google.com) ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageL abs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:31 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans You are right, Bill. Thanks for the reminder and links. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Jun 22, 2009 11:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans > > >You guys really need to take advantage of the Search function on the >Pietenpol List. > >http://www.matronics.com/search/ > > >I just did a search for "Pfeifer" on the Pietenpol List, and came up >with 47 replies. A few minutes of reading and you'll be right up to >speed. >Or, if that's too labor intensive for you, try these links: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58840&sid=7400dd3c495b56486e >e22d51a8a19178 > > >here's the original thread: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=57833&highlight=pfeifer > > >Seriously, though, give the Search function a try - it's a very useful >tool. You can find useful information on just about any Piet-related >topic there. > >Bill C. > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Mark, Something else that I have done over the years, on other rusty nuts is to carefully heat the nut/bolt then spray the opposite end of the bolt, or in your case the middle of the bolt, with R134A, Often the Place the socket or box end and test for rotation. Jake Ryan Mueller Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 06/22/2009 02:13 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To pietenpol-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual Mark, Have fun with the tear-down. The head nuts are always fun to try and remove. One of the methods we tried, which helped to prevent the studs from turning out with the nuts, was to take a pair of vise grips and clamp them tightly onto the head stud near the base of the cylinder (below the fins, so you can the most engagement). Ideally, have a helper hold the vise grips while you attempt to turn the nut off the head. Although you can't get a super strong grip on base of the stud, something is better than nothing, and it can be just enough to keep the stud from turning on you. We had a pair of vise grips with slightly worn jaws, so it didn't leave much of a mark on the studs. Good luck, and have fun! Ryan On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, K5YAC wrote: Here! Here! I second that. William spoke to me on the phone for over an hour several months ago, prior to purchasing a single thing from him. It wasn't a sales pitch... he was very informative and honest as he answered many of my beginner questions. I have since purchased several of his educational items. Some of the best $$ I've spent so far. He and his materials have given me confidence in using the Corvair. In fact... here is a photo from my garage yesterday! Car was delivered Friday, engine was out Saturday... after a few days for the head bolts to soak in PB Blaster I'll break it down further and get the parts out to the appropriate shops. Thanks William! Hope you Win! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249559#249559 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/myvair_183.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageL abs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rusty Nuts From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Mark, Several years ago I purchased Micro Soldering and Welding kit from Harbor Freight. some of the best money ever spent. It allows you to place pin point heat exactly where you want it. I have worked on some seriously rusty stuff over the years and Something else I have done numerous time with success is to clean any exposed threads with a wire wheel, heat and apply wax (in the form of left over birthday candles) directly to the Nut/bolt interface, too much heat and the wax burns, too little and it just sits there, just right and it will get sucked down into the thread interface, making removal much easier. Jake Micro Torch 3687-6VGA uses disposable cylinders 95671-0VGA hooks to your OA regulators What I have. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: LAMA award for Outstanding Individual From: "K5YAC" Yep, that is part of the reason I stopped where I did... in order to take my time and carefully prepare for the head removal. I soaked the head nuts twice yesterday with PB Blaster. The left side of the engine (as the prop flies) looks ok (oily and greasy, but the nuts and threads look clean) under all that gook. The right side is another story... rusty and slightly jagged looking threads. I'll just continue to be cautious and hopefully they will come off ok. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249581#249581 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:28 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans Tim, I thought I had sent you this article on my airplane, but here it is again. Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA Tim Willis wrote: > > > Darrel, > > I must have missed the first of this thread. Is the Pfeifer a derivation or a counterpart of the Pietenpol? If so, what does it do/ how is it built differently? > > While I am too far along in the Corky/Tim build to incorporate any of its innovations, I'm always a curious fellow, as many will attest, often not in the most polite use of the word. > > Tim in central TX > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:06 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pfeifer Sport plans Oops! My apologies to the list for sending an attachment in my reply. I keep forgetting to reply to the sender but my email program includes everyone. Tim, I'll send you the Sport Aviation article directly. I'm looking forward to seeing and meeting everyone at Brodhead this year! I won't be bringing the Pfeifer, but will be there in a Stinson. Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:48 PM PST US From: Ameet Savant Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans sheet count Hello GN-1 builders, Could anyone tell me if the GN-1 plans have 17 sheets? I have located a GN-1 plans set for sale and the seller has 17 sheets and neither one of us knows if that makes it complete. The seller is not a builder and does not know anything about the plans except they seem to be in good condition. Thanks! Ameet Omaha, NE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans sheet count From: Rick Holland I have the newer CAD GN-1 plans - 10 pages. Rick On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Ameet Savant wrote: > > > Hello GN-1 builders, > > Could anyone tell me if the GN-1 plans have 17 sheets? I have located a > GN-1 plans set for sale and the seller has 17 sheets and neither one of us > knows if that makes it complete. The seller is not a builder and does not > know anything about the plans except they seem to be in good condition. > > Thanks! > Ameet > Omaha, NE > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photos from Brussels From: "Bill Church" I've just posted some photos I took at the 20th Annual Brussels Pietenpol Picnic, in Brussels, Ontario on Saturday. They can be found here: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=342 Bill C. 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