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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Photos from Brussels (Jack)
2. 03:38 AM - Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (John Franklin)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: Photos from Brussels (Bill Church)
4. 05:51 AM - GN-1 plans sheet count (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (Will42)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (Ryan Mueller)
7. 07:11 AM - rib plans question (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (Michael Groah)
9. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (Ameet Savant)
10. 08:17 AM - Re: rib plans question (Bill Church)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: rib plans question (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (Mark Roberts)
13. 09:55 AM - Re: Photos from Brussels (Jack)
14. 09:59 AM - LAMA award for Outstanding Individual (Patrick Panzera)
15. 10:16 AM - Re: Photos from Brussels (Bill Church)
16. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count (airlion@bellsouth.net)
17. 12:53 PM - CAD drawings (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
18. 02:08 PM - Re: rib plans question (Bill Church)
19. 02:12 PM - Re: rib plans question (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
20. 03:53 PM - Building with wood question ()
21. 04:12 PM - Re: Building with wood question (amsafetyc@aol.com)
22. 05:36 PM - Re: Building with wood question (Jim)
23. 06:12 PM - Re: Building with wood question (Ben Charvet)
24. 07:56 PM - Re: Building with wood question (K5YAC)
25. 08:18 PM - Re: Building with wood question (John Fay)
26. 08:19 PM - WACO fly-in (shad bell)
27. 08:25 PM - Re: Building with wood question (John Fay)
28. 09:19 PM - Re: Building with wood question (Bill Church)
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Subject: | Photos from Brussels |
Bill,
Great pictures, thanks! Could you share more information about flying in
Europe? Fuel prices, taxes, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
Ameet,
I believe those are the old plans; I have a set of them and there are Sheets 1-15
plus a Sheet "A" and Sheet "B". You would probably be better off with the
new ones although they themselves are rife with errors. The old plans are B-size
drawings and the new ones are D or E...
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 22, 2009 9:30 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans sheet count
>
>
>
>Hello GN-1 builders,
>
>Could anyone tell me if the GN-1 plans have 17 sheets? I have located a GN-1 plans
set for sale and the seller has 17 sheets and neither one of us knows if
that makes it complete. The seller is not a builder and does not know anything
about the plans except they seem to be in good condition.
>
>Thanks!
>Ameet
>Omaha, NE
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Subject: | Photos from Brussels |
Sure thing, Jack.
I haven't been to Europe yet, but the first time I ever go and do any
flying I'll let you know.
Maybe I should point out that, as I wrote, the photos were taken in
Brussels, Ontario. That's a small rural village in Canada.
(I guess I'll stop "pulling your chain" now)
Glad you liked the photos.
I wish I could drive to Belgium for a fly-in.
Bill C.
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Subject: | GN-1 plans sheet count |
Ameet;
Buy the plans. If the set is missing one or two pages, you
can get them from one of us who has a complete set. However,
it sounds like the right number (17 pages).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
soon to be A75 powered
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com wrote:
> Ameet,
>
> I believe those are the old plans; I have a set of them and there are Sheets
1-15 plus a Sheet "A" and Sheet "B". You would probably be better off with the
new ones although they themselves are rife with errors. The old plans are B-size
drawings and the new ones are D or E...
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> --
Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not familiar with "B" size;
"D" size and such. Thanks
Will
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=engineering+drawing+sizes
;)
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Will42 <will@cctc.net> wrote:
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> jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com wrote:
> > Ameet,
> >
> > I believe those are the old plans; I have a set of them and there are
> Sheets 1-15 plus a Sheet "A" and Sheet "B". You would probably be better
> off with the new ones although they themselves are rife with errors. The
> old plans are B-size drawings and the new ones are D or E...
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> >
> > --
>
>
> Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not familiar with "B"
> size; "D" size and such. Thanks
>
> Will
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249647#249647
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Subject: | rib plans question |
Maybe the answer to this question is just too obvious, but I have to
ask..Are the $20 rib plans enough to build the ribs? I was curious because with
the Mustang II I am currently working on, often I consult several pages of
the plans to see not only how something is built, but how that something
plays along with other components to get the "full" picture. I am really
interested in a light sport type plane, and love the nostalgic looks of the
Pietenpol. I'm also considering the VP and Flybaby. The two seats of the Piet
are appealing, and it seems to have a excellent safety record. So, I'm
thinking, on those days I can't bring myself to brave the cold or heat and work
on the Mustang, I could build ribs while watching the game inside the
house?!
Boyce
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
Drafing sheet sizes in inches :
ANSI A--- 8.5 X 11
ANSI B--- 11 X 17
ANSI C--- 17 X 22
ANSI D--- 22 X 34
ANSI E--- 34 X 44
ARCHITECTURAL SIZES:
A- 9 X 12
B- 12 X 18
C- 18 X 24
D- 24 X 36
E- 36 X 48
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Will42 <will@cctc.net> wrote:
From: Will42 <will@cctc.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count
jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com wrote:
> Ameet,
>
> I believe those are the old plans; I have a set of them and there are She
ets 1-15 plus a Sheet "A" and Sheet "B".- You would probably be better of
f with the new ones although they themselves are rife with errors.- The o
ld plans are B-size drawings and the new ones are D or E...
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> --
Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not familiar with "B" s
ize; "D" size and such. Thanks
Will
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
You can read all about the paper sizes at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
I believe the typical one used in engineering drawings are the ANSI sizes.
Thanks everyone for their responses. It does makes sense to just buy the plans.
Getting a page or two from someone would not violate any laws I am sure. Plus
the price is right. ($25 including shipping)
Thanks!
Ameet
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Will42 <will@cctc.net> wrote:
> Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not
> familiar with "B" size; "D" size and such. Thanks
>
> Will
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Subject: | rib plans question |
Well, I suppose one COULD build the ribs from just the $20 full-size rib
plan (although there aren't any dimensions or real notes on that
drawing).
A better question might be WHY?
A set of Pietenpol ribs isn't much use without the rest of the plane.
So, if you're planning to build the whole plane (eventually), buy the
whole plan set. A full set of plans (long and short fuse, three piece
wing, fullsize rib print) is only $200.
Building the whole set of ribs can easily be done in a month or so,
working at a pace of a couple of hours a day. But once they're built,
your days of building while watching the game are over (unless you have
a TV in the workshop). You'll need to move to a bigger workspace to
continue with the project.
my 2 cents
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: rib plans question |
I have a shop, but is occupied by the Mustang II project at the moment. I
basically wanted to try my hand at building with wood without spending a
grand to find out I am terrible with it. I have done the usual small wood
projects, but don't have many wood working tools. Just the usual circular saw,
jig saw, etc. No table saw, or band saw yet. So, I was hoping to buy just
the rib plan, and later I can buy the rest if I follow through with the
build.
Boyce
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
Hey Guys: I guess those plans stopped being sold after John died... Are the
plans available outside of finding a set on Ebay or such? Did the plans get
sold to someone else to continue selling new sets?
Also, were there a couple of versions of the GN? Or is the GN-1 the only
model?
I am curious as to the major differences between the designs, but I bet that
has been discussed and I'll do a search for that forst...
Mark
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Ameet Savant <ameetsavant@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> You can read all about the paper sizes at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
>
> I believe the typical one used in engineering drawings are the ANSI sizes.
>
> Thanks everyone for their responses. It does makes sense to just buy the
> plans. Getting a page or two from someone would not violate any laws I am
> sure. Plus the price is right. ($25 including shipping)
>
> Thanks!
> Ameet
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Will42 <will@cctc.net> wrote:
> > Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not
> > familiar with "B" size; "D" size and such. Thanks
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249647#249647
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Subject: | Photos from Brussels |
Bill,
I'm a little foggy when I read my email in the early AM, I will have to
have a cup of coffee first!
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Photos from Brussels
Sure thing, Jack.
I haven't been to Europe yet, but the first time I ever go and do any
flying I'll let you know.
Maybe I should point out that, as I wrote, the photos were taken in
Brussels, Ontario. That's a small rural village in Canada.
(I guess I'll stop "pulling your chain" now)
Glad you liked the photos.
I wish I could drive to Belgium for a fly-in.
Bill C.
05:54:00
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Subject: | LAMA award for Outstanding Individual |
Remember, it's not based on an essay. It's purely the numbers.
All you need to include in your nomination is something to the effect of:
=======================================================================
Dear Mr. Burke,
I would like to nominate William Wynne of Orange Park, FL, for your LAMA
Award for Outstanding Individual. His relentless work with and for
homebuilders is unparalleled. Please see his website www.FlyCorvair.com
Sincerely,
Patrick Panzera
Editor@ContactMagazine.com
=======================================================================
...and then fire it off to:
lpburke5@comcast.net
> Dear Aviation Enthusiast (via editor(at)contactmagazine.com):
>
> Some time ago in early Jun we asked for your nomination of some
> individual in the field of light aviation that you think deserving of
> the prestigious "LAMA Award for Outstanding Individual."
>
> We value your input very much, as the winner is the one who receives
> the most nominations, and we want to make sure that we are getting a
> representative cross-section of the USA and International light
> aviation community.
>
> Each year at EAA AirVenture, the Light Aircraft Manufacturers
> Association (LAMA) awards some individual this award.
> The award is presented at show central the first day of AirVenture.
> This will be our 18th year of presenting this award.
>
> Therefore, we ask you to please nominate someone you think deserving
> of the award.
> Previous winners of the award, no longer eligible, appear below.
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> Thank you very much!
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> Larry Burke, Chair Emeritus
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Subject: | Photos from Brussels |
I know what you're talking about, Jack.
I looked at the time you posted your message, and I figured that was the
case, but I couldn't resist.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 plans sheet count |
hey guys, why don't ya'll just use bernard's plans. It looks like everyone
is trying to reinvent the wheel. Gardiner
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Will42" <will@cctc.net>
>
>
>
> jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com wrote:
> > Ameet,
> >
> I believe those are the old plans; I have a set of them and there are Sheets
1-15 plus a Sheet "A" and Sheet "B". You would probably be better off with the
new ones although they themselves are rife with errors. The old plans are
> B-size drawings and the new ones are D or E...
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> >
> > --
>
>
Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not familiar with "B" size;
> "D" size and such. Thanks
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249647#249647
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My resource for CAD drawings of all hardware has dried up. Does anyone
have a good set of CAD drawings for hardware they would be willing to share?
Please get in contact with me off list to discuss.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | rib plans question |
Boyce,
Here's an idea:
Get yourself a copy of the 1932 Flying and Glider reprints that EAA
sells for about $7.
There's certainly enough info there to construct a rib jig, and if
you're good at interpreting old drawings that have been reduced in size,
you can actually build the whole plane with the plans provided. It's
also an interesting read, even if you don't build a plane.
http://shop.eaa.org/html/publications_guides.html?cart_id
<http://shop.eaa.org/html/publications_guides.html?cart_id>
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: rib plans question |
now that sounds like a good idea! Thanks!
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Subject: | Building with wood question |
I am just beginning to build with wood so one of the first things I need is a saw.
What is the best saw to get if you are only able to get one?
A Table Saw
A Bandsaw
A Compound Miter Saw
or something else?
Rodney Hall
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
Depends on your wood: plank lumber you'll need to rip and miter
Precut strips you need miter
Curves and shapes scroll or band saw
If you're any good at cutting straight then a plane ole hand saw will do the job
Me I got a compound miter, table saw, scroll saw hand saw, coping saw, hole saw
two saber saws, skill saw and still have trouble. But then I know my skill vs
frustration level. And if frustration prevails there is always the trusty chain
saw.
Not one answer question as no one knows your skill level your wood choices, time
table and level of frustration you can take.
John
------Original Message------
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Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Jun 23, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
I am just beginning to build with wood so one of the first things I need is a saw.
What is the best saw to get if you are only able to get one?
A Table Saw
A Bandsaw
A Compound Miter Saw
or something else?
Rodney Hall
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
I got the most use out of my compound miter saw.
Jim
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On Jun 23, 2009, r.r.hall@cox.net wrote:
I am just beginning to build with wood so one of the first things I need is a saw.
What is the best saw to get if you are only able to get one?
A Table Saw
A Bandsaw
A Compound Miter Saw
or something else?
Rodney Hall
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
Unless you buy all your stock in ready to use sizes a good table saw
would be my first choice. I was able to cut all my stock from larger
stock. Fortunately I was able to borrow a planer to get the exact
dimensions I needed. Cutting the stock to length isn't too hard with a
miter box, but a miter saw (don't think you need a compound miter) I
used all douglas fir bought locally.
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
r.r.hall@cox.net wrote:
>
> I am just beginning to build with wood so one of the first things I need is a
saw. What is the best saw to get if you are only able to get one?
>
> A Table Saw
>
> A Bandsaw
>
> A Compound Miter Saw
>
> or something else?
>
> Rodney Hall
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
I am a new builder, but I am fortunate to have band, table, compound miter, and
hand saws. I have used all so far in my project and I'm just working on the
wings. I'm sure that I could get by with just one, but each have their advantages,
of course. The compound miter is super duper. It does an equally nice
job on 2x6 lumber down to 1/4" capstrip. Get a high tooth count blade and the
cuts will be real clean. I also like the band saw... I use it a lot too, and
I'm sure it will be great when it comes to metal fab.
Another more experienced builder told me recently that the compound miter is the
most useful in his opinion.
By far the most useful power tool so far for me has been the combo belt/disk sander.
It has been a great tool for precisely shaping wing rib parts and gussets.
I could handle cutting a lot of parts by hand, but the sander does a real
nice (quick) job where mass production of matched parts is concerned. In fact,
I'm not sure how well I would have done without it. If you don't have one
of these, or know where to get a used one, I would recommend the $109 Ryobi model
at Home Depot.
Just throwing that out there.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
Rodney,
I also cut all of my stock from larger boards, so I found the table saw a
necessity. But the other one I have which I use all of the time is a
modest size band saw. It was especially useful for cutting all of the
plywood for gussets. I got a planer blade for the table saw. I mean it is
one of those with lots of carbide tips and leaves an extremely smooth cut.
I did not find a planer necessary. I have a micrometer my partner loaned
me, and found I could get the cuts surprisingly accurate with test cuts and
adjustments.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Unless you buy all your stock in ready to use sizes a good table saw would
> be my first choice. I was able to cut all my stock from larger stock.
> Fortunately I was able to borrow a planer to get the exact dimensions I
> needed. Cutting the stock to length isn't too hard with a miter box, but a
> miter saw (don't think you need a compound miter) I used all douglas fir
> bought locally.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims Fl
>
>
> r.r.hall@cox.net wrote:
>
>>
>> I am just beginning to build with wood so one of the first things I need
>> is a saw. What is the best saw to get if you are only able to get one?
>>
>> A Table Saw
>>
>> A Bandsaw
>>
>> A Compound Miter Saw
>>
>> or something else?
>>
>> Rodney Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Hello Guys, Just to let you Ohio area guys, Wynkoop airport is closed per N
OTAM untill sunday for the wacos.- I flew over there tonight and would ha
ve got in trouble had I not talked to Brian Wynkoop (Airport owner)-at ou
r last EAA meeting.- The "Airboss" promply told me the airport was closed
and if the feds were there I could get a citation/ violation.- All was s
moothed out after I told him Brian said it was OK.- They had about 15 Wac
os there already, and expect 70+ by friday.- I was also able to give a lo
cal airport kid a ride.- He was brought there by his Grand dad to voulent
eer-and help out with the fly-in.- As I was walking by, his Grand dad s
aid "see if he will give you a ride for a few bucks for gas".- I heard th
e kid say, "no, he probably has to go".- I turned around and said "get in
I got time,- I was just like you once, except I never did get a ride unt
ill I started taking flying lessons at 18".- The young man (12-14 yrs old
) had
a blast, and promply thanked me after we landed and shook my hand.- I ho
pe that seed grows, now that it is planted.- It is refreshing to see some
kids are not punks, and are polite generous,respectful, and not sitting on
there butts playing vidio games.- I hope to give a million more rides to
kids like him, so our hobby, passion does not die with us.- By the way,
if any of you want to go to the Waco fly-in this weekend, simply fly to Kno
x County Airport, which is 3 miles south of Wynkoop, they are running shutt
les all day on saturday, and if you are planning on going let me know, you
might be able to fly in to OH71 and put your piet in my hanger and drive ov
er with me.-
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
Rodney,
The other power tool is use all the time is a sander. It has a 4 inch wide
belt and a round disc. Very useful.
To cut all of the ribstock I built two little jig/mitre boxes, with slots
for all of the different lengths and angles needed. I used a little X-acto
saw, like you normally use for models. Worked perfectly for cutting all of
the truss pieces for the ribs.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:53 PM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> wrote:
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> I am just beginning to build with wood so one of the first things I need is
> a saw. What is the best saw to get if you are only able to get one?
>
> A Table Saw
>
> A Bandsaw
>
> A Compound Miter Saw
>
> or something else?
>
> Rodney Hall
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Building with wood question |
I've bought rough-sawn boards, and ripped all my own sticks. The tablesaw has always
been the most often used, and most useful tool in my workshop. I would find
it difficult to do most woodworking jobs without it. I consider it the heart
of my workshop. A good thin-kerf ripping blade and a featherboard are all you
really need to rip your own wood from rough-sawn lumber. A thickness planer
is handy, but not necessary. I own a compound mitersaw, and have not used it
yet on this project. My combination belt/disc sander is the second-most used tool
in my shop (mostly the disc part). VERY handy for this project. A bandsaw
would be a very useful tool to have (although I do not own one) particularly when
it cones time to cut some metal parts.
If you intend to buy your stock pre-dimensioned, as opposed to cutting from rough
boards, you could probably get away with a regular hand saw and the disc sander
for a LOT of the cutting. The 1/16" plywood gussets can be cut with shears,
but the 1/8" gussets for the tail and fuselage will need to be sawn, and the
ol' tablesaw will be your best friend once again. You can't cut up a sheet of
plywood with a mitersaw. You could use a circular saw (yuck) or a handsaw (yuck
again) or possibly the bandsaw, but the tablesaw is the way to go. I'm using
a 35-year-old basic 9" tablesaw that was handed down to me from my father -
you likely can pick up one for less than $200.
There's no simple answer to your question. One tool is not going to do it all.
But if I was to get a first tool, it would be a tablesaw. And you're likely going
to get better value if you buy an older, used tablesaw than if you get a new,
low-end saw. My general rule of thumb with tools is, if you get a tool for
cheap, you get a cheap tool. Usually the only way to get a quality tool for a
low price is by buying a used tool.
Bill C.
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