---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/25/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Michael Silvius) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Ben Charvet) 3. 06:15 AM - engine mount washers (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:18 AM - Model A fuel truck for sale (Steve Ruse) 5. 06:20 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: engine mount washers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Building with wood question (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 07:59 AM - Re: WACO fly-in (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 09:11 AM - Re: Wood for a peetenhauller (Mark Roberts) 11. 09:11 AM - Computer program to analyze stresses... (Mark Roberts) 12. 10:04 AM - Continental Motor mount plans-- downthrust specifically (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 13. 10:34 AM - Re: engine mount washers (Tim Willis) 14. 10:34 AM - Mark Roberts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 15. 10:55 AM - Re: Mark Roberts (Mark Roberts) 16. 10:56 AM - Re: engine mount washers (shad bell) 17. 11:33 AM - Re: Mark Roberts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 18. 12:00 PM - Re: Mark Roberts (Mark Roberts) 19. 12:19 PM - Re: Mark Roberts (K5YAC) 20. 12:24 PM - Nose Bowl, Poplar Grove (shad bell) 21. 12:40 PM - Re: and don't forget those Canadian's eh ? (Scott Knowlton) 22. 02:40 PM - corvair mounts (skellytown flyer) 23. 08:06 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Clif Dawson) 24. 09:14 PM - Re: CAD drawings (Grover Summers) 25. 11:18 PM - Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:56 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > I went to Home Depot today to test my > local supply and found they only have Green Doug Fir Mark: Big Orange is ok to buy your cheapo plastic base table saw and other Chinese tools, but 99% of the lumber there is shear garbage and is not suited for building shipping palates, I hesitate to use any of it to build a deck let a lone a plane. They buy their lumber from the cheapest suppliers that can get them the largest volume for the lowest price. Quality control be dammed. Most of their lumber is cut from immature saplings, the kind you get two 2x4s out of one tree and is full of knots. Even their "select" trim is barely suited for strapping. For Fir I would look up a specialty lumberyard or even a flooring supplier though most of your stock there would be 3/4. Being on the left coast you should have an easier time locating good stock than us right coasters. Michael in soggy Maine ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:10 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... The way I cut my longerons, I used 2x6 lumber and ripped 1.125 inch strips out of it, then ran the strip through the saw so I had a piece that was 1-1/8 inch square. I then ran this down the planer to get the 1 inch dimension. Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x lumber it would be a little easier to work with, Ben Charvet Clif Dawson wrote: > 4X4, 1X6, etc is what's known as "nominal" size and it's > called that because the original rough cut piece was that > exact size. Once it has been planed, whether as you buy > it or plane it yourself the real, measured dimension is > now 3 1/3" X 3 1/2" or 3/4" X 5 1/2". So you're not > gonna get four one inch square pieces out of that 4X4 > you bought. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:56 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine mount washers As long as you people are tossing famous quotes out there, here's mine: "Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?" I was getting ready to order some new engine mount bolts for the A75 and came across some info regarding the large flat washers that bear against the conical rubber mounts. There were AN970s on the mount before but I notice that they are too thin to remain flat under load and they show some cupping where the nut was bearing against them. Must be from all the G's that I've been pulling ;o) The official way to do it is with the "special" Teledyne Continental engine mount washers but those puppies are almost $10 apiece! I assume I can use any thick, flat washer for this duty so I'm going to look at grade 8 fender washers or anything that is about 1/8" thick unless somebody has found something else that works well here. Ideas? Thanks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC soon to be A75 powered San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:33 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A fuel truck for sale This really seems like something one of us Pieters should own: Ebay item 160343994686 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1929-Model-A-Ford-Aviation-fuel-truck-(Very-rare-Ford)_W0QQitemZ160343994686QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090623?IMSfp=TL0906231510002r17035#ht_500wt_939 Steve Ruse Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Mark, It never hurts to check the big box stores, I got the wood for my cap strips from Menards in the form of a 4x4 12 feet long perfect grain, excellent run out. Also look for Vertical Grain Doug Fir flooring, depending on stock width using a thin kerf blade you can cut your cap strips from that. Look in the yellow pages for a sawmill since you live in California, there should not be a problem finding one that has rough cut lumber. as a side note when you start cutting your cap strips where ever you stack them place a big sign on them that says "Don't Touch". I had a dozen and a half sitting on the back side of the table saw fence, my son came over looking for some stakes for marking the rows in his garden. He thought "hey" trimmings, so now I get to go back and find some more flooring. Jake ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:08 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... Mark, I got all my Sitka Spruce locally from a company here in Salt Lake city called MacBeth Hardwoods. It is beautiful wood, all vertical grain and they sell it in 2x6 and 1x12 boards 16ft long. It is rough sawn so it is the actual dimensions. They also carry all the ply one needs for the Piet. I would only use big box store wood for the mock-pit. My 2 cents. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:08 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: engine mount washers Oscar-- I used hardware store thicker fender washers (anodized) and they worked fine. Also used extras on the left and upper mounts to give me some right thrust and downthrust. I couldn't bring myself to build in all that downwash he calls for on his Continental motor mount drawing but made up for it a bit by washering the engine down a bit. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:14 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question Certainly my recommendation also. I am building in poplar and for $79.00 I got 2 poplar planks S3 1x12" X 12' which when ripped on my table saw provided enough sticks to build the entire fuse structure. So I had cash to purchase more tools and other needed items. like my miter saw, probably my most favorite shop tool, indispensable and you don't have to build a bunch of gigs to get the angles you need. I bought all Ryobi tools on sale at the big Orange box store so again trying to make my cash go as far as possible, FYI I am building in the basement so no room or money to spare. I did the same thing with my spars and got them in 16' X 5 qtr rough 10" wide , they couldn't be put through the planer or jointer due to the length cut down and routed to size which is where the router cam in really handy Now you have to remember my bench is made from an old Library table 10' long and an old door I had in the basement covered with 3/4 particle board end to end for my little more than 16'. So you don't have to spend a fortune on wood if you can improvise in all your work area and the approach. Every dollar you save in one area is another dollar you can reallocate to another piece or part that you are forced to purchase. Cant say I have any regrets so far and really like working with the poplar, takes the glue really well and doesn't split out or splinter as easily as other woods, clear strong and inexpensive to work with, you got to love that John **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:40 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in " I don't take kids up alone" **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood for a peetenhauller From: Mark Roberts Thanks Gary. I know the row of lumber you mean... I went down that aisle and found the nice plained poplar and some oak.... Now there's a nice wood for a piet... Some fine grain oak. I thought to myself: "Pretty, but a tad heavy..." :o) My Twin daughters just graduated from High School a couple of weeks ago, and when they were born 18 years ago I made 2 cradles from oak for them. Beautiful stuff. In fact, the guy that is going to help me rip boards was the guy that helped me make those cradles. He made one like them for his daughter when she was born, and I wanted one for my kids. Lotsa fun. Not quite as much as a piet, so I can't wait for those plans to arrive! Thanks for the advice. I am going back to the store as I consider Poplar, or fir. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > Congratulations on ordering the plans for your "peetenhauller!" Life will > never be the same... > > Next time you go to Home Depot, you need to go to the isle that has the > Good > Lumber. That's where you will find the poplar, fir, pine and oak that > finish > carpenters or cabinet makers are looking for. If you are seeing 2x4's and > 4x4's, you're in the wrong aisle. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:36 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > > Plans were ordered yesterday, and I am now looking to go get some > wood. I believe I am going to give doug fir a try. I can get started > now with Doug Fir, and perhaps some poplar as well. I have the EAA > wood book, and also one of the Tony B. books on Building Sport > Aircraft. I have read the articles about wood and it's selection > (grain direction and run out). I went to Home Depot today to test my > local supply and found they only have Green Doug Fir for all but one > pile of 2 x 4's which were kiln dried. > > So I have a few questions from those of you that have walked this way > before: > > 1. I am assuming I will need to buy Kiln Dried wood to prevent any > potential warping of structures after assembly. Part of me says "Yep, > that's right" ... Another part of me says " You ain't gonna finish > this plane until 3 good Fresno Summers (90+ degrees for about 4 > months) and once the fuse structure is in it's framework state it > won't warp because it will be in the structural matrix..." What is > the correct 'Me"? > > 2. Clear Doug Fir, or the stuff on the rack: I saw a few 2 x 4's and 4 > x 4's that appeared to have the correct grain density and run out, but > wrong grain direction for the board it was cut into. However, if that > 4 x 4 was cut into the proper sized 1 x 1's, they would have the > proper grain direction for the longerons. I am assuming that the grain > direction is relative to the board that ultimately gets used, not > really the initial cut. I know this seems obvious, but without > verification, I am not sure I am interpreting what I am reading > correctly. It seems logical that all the wood produced could be > rift-cut lumber if you could saw the log into boards radiallydown the > center of the log... > > 3. Knots in the wood: I know the literature deals with this, but my > question is more about Doug fir: the stuff I used to load from the > train cars in Fayetteville NC when I worked in my youth as a lumber > yard sales guy used to be very nice and pretty. Few knots and very > smooth. The stuff I saw at Home Depot was not like the stuff in my > memory. Do you guys have any recommendations for what to ask for when > shopping for DF? > > > OK... Now a funny aside: I stopped a guy that worked there at the > contractors booth to ask about what I could get if I ordered the wood > specially. We discussed the purpose was to build an airplane. "No, > really: What are you going to use this for?" he asks. After assuring > him I was not crazy, and leading him to a website to view a couple of > Piets in construction, he calls his wood supplier to see if he can > "still get the smooth stuff in those sizes". The conversation was > hysterical, and I wished I had it recorded so I could post on my > website so yo could hear it, as a one sided conversation from my side > of the counter. "Yeah hi Sandy, it's John. Fine, and you? Great. Yeah, > I have this guy here looking for some clear Doug Fir, in 2 x 4 and 4 x > 4 16's and 8's, and I need to know if you have any really clean ones. > Un huh. Yeah. Doug Fir. No, he needs them with no knots. Clean. I > know. No, he's building an airplane. An Airplane. No a real one. No, > I'm not kidding. Really. I saw it on the internet. No Sandy, I'm not > kidding. Look, can you see if you can find some? No, it's called a > peetenhauller or something..." > > And on it went. Can you imagine what BHP must have gone through at HIS > lumber yard. > > I might be needing to shop at a more specialized lumber yard here > locally... > > Any advice always deeply appreciated. > > Mark > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Computer program to analyze stresses... From: Mark Roberts This isn't a commercial for a software program, but I got this in my inbox today, and I thought it was interesting. As we all have been discussing the various merits of wood and it's respective strengths, I have wondered what that would mean in the actual operation of a Piet. You know, we discuss the substitution of poplar in the longerons, and say it's not as strong as Sitka Spruce, but hey, the plane was over designed anyway... etc. This program does structural analysis on CAD drawings and tells you stuff about the design. I watched part of one of the videos, and thought it was pretty cool. They are selling it for $149 (from a $499 retail price) so it isn't out of the realm of purchasability... Anyway, for what it's worth to any of you: http://www.turbocad.com/TurboCAD/Addons/CADCALCS20/tabid/618/Default.aspx?CID=415773 Mark ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:48 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Motor mount plans-- downthrust specifically For any of you (like Greg Cardinal) FLYING behind Continental motor mounts that you built from Pietenpol plans, did you build in the downthrust as per pla ns---if so, any comments ? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:02 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine mount washers Oscar, IMO the grade 8 fender washers would work just great, and I'd look first at Tractor Supply. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Jun 25, 2009 8:14 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine mount washers > > > >As long as you people are tossing famous quotes out there, >here's mine: "Where are we going? And what's with this >handbasket?" > >I was getting ready to order some new engine mount bolts for >the A75 and came across some info regarding the large flat >washers that bear against the conical rubber mounts. There >were AN970s on the mount before but I notice that they are >too thin to remain flat under load and they show some >cupping where the nut was bearing against them. Must be from >all the G's that I've been pulling ;o) The official >way to do it is with the "special" Teledyne Continental >engine mount washers but those puppies are almost $10 apiece! > >I assume I can use any thick, flat washer for this duty so >I'm going to look at grade 8 fender washers or anything that >is about 1/8" thick unless somebody has found something else >that works well here. Ideas? Thanks. > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >soon to be A75 powered >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:03 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mark Roberts So Mark are you retired or do you just have an abundance of energy and time ? Congratulations on ordering your plans. One thing I always, always, strongly advise is to get the complete book set from EAA that Tony Bingelis wrote. There are four books and if you were locked in a phone booth with those boo ks you would never need to log onto a list or consult anyone during the construction of your airplane. I heard so much mis-information or old wives tales when building my Piet th at whenever I went on to another section of my plane I always read up on it FIRST in the Tony Bingelis books ---and the truth is always found there with multiple ways and cost levels of approaching a task. Those books we re invaluable to making my plane without doubts in my head about acceptable materials, hardware, fabrics, cables, gl ue, you name it. http://shop.eaa.org/html/publications_howto.html?cart_id= Then scr oll down Tony Bingelis Books Engines A treasure of information for all aircraft builders, restorers and mechanic s. Here are all the right answers at your fingertips. (224 pages) Qty F15691 Book $27.99* [cid:image001.gif@01C9F598.E8382EC0] ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mark Roberts From: Mark Roberts Hey Mike: No, I am not retired (I wish), and I don't have an abundance of time or energy. I am just at the 'compulsive' stage of my project where it is about all I think of if I am not on the phone or in a meeting. The ADD medicine isn't working as well as it used to :o) Real productive for my boss, huh. I hope my exuberance isn't an annoyance. I am just working things out in my mind so I can get started. By the way, I love the pictures of your plane and the modifications you've made to it. I was with Mike Groah last Friday and he pointed me to your plane as an example of a few of the modifications he has made and I will be doing as well. Thanks for the advice on the Bingelis books. I have one: the Sportplane Builder, and will on your advice get the rest. I'll try to control my posting... I didn't realize it was getting so frequent! :o) Mark On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > So Mark are you retired or do you just have an abundance of energy and time > ? > > > Congratulations on ordering your plans. > > > One thing I always, always, strongly advise is to get the complete book set > from EAA that Tony Bingelis wrote. > > There are four books and if you were locked in a phone booth with those > books you would never need to log > > onto a list or consult anyone during the construction of your airplane. > > > I heard so much mis-information or old wives tales when building my Piet > that whenever I went on to another > > section of my plane I always read up on it FIRST in the Tony Bingelis > books---and the truth is always found there > > with multiple ways and cost levels of approaching a task. Those books > were invaluable to making my plane without > > doubts in my head about acceptable materials, hardware, fabrics, cables, > glue, you name it. > > > http://shop.eaa.org/html/publications_howto.html?cart_id= Then scroll > down > > Tony Bingelis Books > > Engines > A treasure of information for all aircraft builders, restorers and > mechanics. Here are all the right answers at your fingertips. (224 pages) > Qty F15691Book $27.99* > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:27 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine mount washers For specialty washers like that make your own.- Buy or borrow a hole saw about the approximate size and cut some out of some scrap steel sheet, 4130 etc (assuming you have some lying around).- Then drill or ream the hole in the washer to the correct size. and wala.- Make sure to paint them to keep them from rusting.- Use .090 or so and you should be good.- You co uld even make them out of several different thicknesses to fine tune or shi m as required.- But then again it is probably much eaiser to just buy the m at the hardware store.- Just a thought. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:52 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mark Roberts That was kind of Mike Groah to refer to my Piet but I can't take total credit for many of the modifications since some of them simply came from other builders who had come before me. I took what I liked best in other Piets I saw and then added a few of my own ideas. One idea that I REALLY liked was raising the turtle deck and instrument panels by 1" higher than plans. I like the look of the turtledeck better-- more rounded and then there is more room for instruments in the back panel and the windscreen's are a tad higher. I fully understand being compulsive and enthused at the beginnings of a project and it really is a neat little airplane-- you just make me envious of your energy and enthusiasm to learn. Now go take your medicine :)) Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mark Roberts From: Mark Roberts :oD Medicine! THAT's what I forgot this morning... I sometimes remind myself of the fish in FInding Nemo... Every 3 seconds she had forgotten what she was doing and was on to the next thing... I sometimes remind myself of the fish in Finding Nemo... Oh wait... I just said that... :o) Mark On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > > That was kind of Mike Groah to refer to my Piet but I can't take total credit for many > of the modifications since some of them simply came from other builders who had come > before me. I took what I liked best in other Piets I saw and then added a few of my > own ideas. > > One idea that I REALLY liked was raising the turtle deck and instrument panels by 1" higher > than plans. I like the look of the turtledeck better-- more rounded and then there is more > room for instruments in the back panel and the windscreen's are a tad higher. > > I fully understand being compulsive and enthused at the beginnings of a project and it really > is a neat little airplane-- you just make me envious of your energy and enthusiasm to learn. > Now go take your medicine :)) > > Mike C. > in Ohio > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mark Roberts From: "K5YAC" I know the feeling Mark... I'm torn between several parts of my Piet build right now. I am tearing down an engine, putting the finishing touches on wing ribs and preparing the shop for a wood delivery, not to mention all the reading material (books, manuals and this site, where I usually camp during the work day). It is all so fun and rewarding... just not enough hours in the day. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250004#250004 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:15 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nose Bowl, Poplar Grove Hello Group, Does anyone on the list know who ended up with Gary Bell's sty rofoam nose bowl "mold".- I remember Dad gave it to a Pietenpol Builder i n Poplar Grove When we made our attempt at Brodhead 2006.- It was just a foam plug that he laid the glass over and then gel coated.- I thought it was Kurt Shipman, but I guess not.- I do remember it was a Corvair Piet b uilder in Poplar Grove, and Dad gave it away at Poplar Grove, just before w e tore the wings off and put the piet on a trailer to head home.- I just was wondering because I was contacted off list as to the origins of Dad's n ose bowl, and thought it would save them some time.- - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:16 PM PST US From: Scott Knowlton Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: and don't forget those Canadian's eh ? Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: and don't forget those Canadian's eh ? From: amsafetyc@aol.com "No sir everything I make goes into the building a new airplane for air acr obatics" Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: and don't forget those Canadian's eh ? Actually because of the exchange rate it is only the 86.4 year anniversary of flight in Canada. I'm here all week folks. Try the veal and don't forget to tip your waiter. "Is that all you plan to do for the rest of your life? Just cash for rides? " Do not archve. John Hofmann Vice-President=2C Information Technology The Rees Group=2C Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive=2C Ste 3800 Madison=2C WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 24=2C 2009=2C at 2:22 PM=2C Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerosp ace Corporation] wrote: And not to leave out the first 100th year anniversary of flight in Canada E AA is having some special doings at Oshkosh to celebrate that event that took place in 1 909. Bill Church is our resident Pietenpol poster boy and I think Harvey Rule too. 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I wish! anyway-I have the polyurethane mounts that it came with and the 3/8" bolts but I surely want to make some wear sleeves to go over the bolts to take up the space between the bolt and the case. it measures about .550" I.D. has anybody found anything really tough like a Teflon plastic sleeve in the right diameters? I know I can find some in larger diameters that are used to insulate bolts on large Pipe flanges.if necessary I can cut them down and roll them tighter but I'd rather it was solid.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250030#250030 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:12 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left to do on my fuselage. My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. Clif Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons > out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x lumber > it would be a little easier to work with, > > Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:01 PM PST US From: Grover Summers Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings More data ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine From: Mark Roberts I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better choice than fir for the majority of the build. (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately :o\) Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.