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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Ryan Mueller)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Ameet Savant)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Bill Church)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Gary Boothe)
5. 06:07 AM - GN1 crash at Midway in TX (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
6. 06:49 AM - Re: GN1 crash at Midway in TX (Ryan Mueller)
7. 07:00 AM - Re: corvair mounts (Barry Davis)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: CAD drawings (Bill Church)
9. 07:54 AM - Pietenpol project, Ebay (Michael Perez)
10. 07:54 AM - Re: GN1 crash at Midway in TX (John Franklin)
11. 08:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol project, Ebay (John Hofmann)
12. 09:23 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Mark Roberts)
13. 09:26 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Mark Roberts)
14. 09:43 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Gary Boothe)
15. 10:22 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (H RULE)
16. 10:43 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Gary Boothe)
17. 11:09 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (TOM STINEMETZE)
18. 11:09 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (amsafetyc@aol.com)
19. 11:20 AM - curling (Gary Boothe)
20. 11:42 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (amsafetyc@aol.com)
21. 02:23 PM - Re: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit at The Groah's (Bill Church)
22. 03:29 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Mark Roberts)
23. 03:37 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Gary Boothe)
24. 04:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 06/25/09 ()
25. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Jim)
26. 06:56 PM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
27. 07:17 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (amsafetyc@aol.com)
28. 07:39 PM - Re: CAD drawings (Grover Summers)
29. 08:10 PM - test (Stephen Walton)
30. 08:37 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 06/09/09 (GR Hewitt)
31. 09:24 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Mark Roberts)
32. 09:34 PM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Mark Roberts)
33. 10:22 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/
trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that
the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would
suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and
through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having
pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not
all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering
them useless to you for an aircraft conversion.
If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25
or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,
and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also
use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having
said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought
William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion
manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful
to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>
> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>
> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
> :o\)
>
> Mark
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Subject: | Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Mark,
I can understand your excitement. I am also starting on my project but I am spending
a lot less time and effort on it than you are (so envious!). I've been researching
Poplar too and found that Sitka Spruce and Yellow Poplar at 12% moisture
content are comparable in density. I believe it is near 28 lbs/cu ft, with
the Poplar fractionally heavier.
If you want to get an authoritative source on the subject there is none better than http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/ You'll see why when you visit the link. They have amazing documentation on every aspect of building with wood.
>From a numbers perspective the Poplar seems to be a almost direct replacement
for Spruce, yet many designers stick with Spruce. I wonder why it is not as popular,
especially given the cost.
Regards,
Ameet
Omaha, NE
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13
> that Gary
> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential
> substitute
> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and
> just wanted
> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly
> less strong
> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the
> plane is a
> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a
> better
> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
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Subject: | Speaking of Wood Selection... |
You're right, Clif.
You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
(see attached sketch)
I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
board.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
--> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
to do on my fuselage.
My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
Clif
Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>
> Ben Charvet
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Subject: | Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Mark,
Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very
beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that
their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such
as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items.
Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your
project!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/
trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that
the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would
suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and
through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having
pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not
all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering
them useless to you for an aircraft conversion.
If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25
or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,
and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also
use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having
said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought
William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion
manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful
to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>
> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>
> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
> :o\)
>
> Mark
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Subject: | GN1 crash at Midway in TX |
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa090624_wz_elliscocrash.f89d3b.html
A friend of my dads manages this airport and told us about this. We didn't get
the owner's name though.
Jeremy in dallas
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Subject: | Re: GN1 crash at Midway in TX |
They mention the crash was in Ellis County, and that the registered owner is
from Ovilla....
A search on faa.gov shows a GN-1, N1736, registered to a Mr. Robert Squires
of Ovilla, TX. C-85 powered, which appears to match the picture, and
completed in 2008. Thankfully he only recieved light injuries.
I found it amusing when the writer states in the article that "the pilot was
apparently not satisfied after landing his home-built aircraft and tried to
take off again". I guess if you're fortunate enough to make it down in one
piece then you better not look that gift horse in the mouth. :P
Ryan
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:54 AM, <outofthebox50@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa090624_wz_elliscocrash.f89d3b.html
>
> A friend of my dads manages this airport and told us about this. We didn't
> get the owner's name though.
>
> Jeremy in dallas
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Raymnd
I think we bought the correct size from Aircraft Spruce. I'll check it in
the next couple of days. We might have a little left over that I could mail
to you, but let me check first. (it only takes a couple of inches for the 4
bolts)
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair mounts
well I'm in the process of trying to get the engine back on my project I
got from DJ. it was funny when I read the BPA newsletter and found that I
had it finished and flying with a strange N number. I wish! anyway-I have
the polyurethane mounts that it came with and the 3/8" bolts but I surely
want to make some wear sleeves to go over the bolts to take up the space
between the bolt and the case. it measures about .550" I.D. has anybody
found anything really tough like a Teflon plastic sleeve in the right
diameters? I know I can find some in larger diameters that are used to
insulate bolts on large Pipe flanges.if necessary I can cut them down and
roll them tighter but I'd rather it was solid.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250030#250030
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Grover,
Did you mistakenly send that message to the Piet List?
I opened the CAD drawings you attached, and they do not appear to have
any connection to the Piet.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grover
Summers
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings
More data
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Subject: | Pietenpol project, Ebay |
For those who may be interested:
-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Project-plane_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_t
rkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q
3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4a98ab8227QQitemZ3203889
56711QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
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Subject: | Re: GN1 crash at Midway in TX |
Ryan,
I met Bob Squires about 2 years ago and spent a couple of days at his place in
Ovilla...you won't find a nicer couple than Bob and his wife. His maiden flight
was this past May 27th, and he did all the right things getting certified,
and he also got a lot of stick time in other tail draggers before flying. His
engine was virtually new and I believe was certified.
The damage looks extensive and I'll have to talk to him and see what his plans
are; hate to see the Texas wing lose an Aircamper, but at least he walked away
from it.
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 26, 2009 9:48 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN1 crash at Midway in TX
>
>They mention the crash was in Ellis County, and that the registered owner is
>from Ovilla....
>
>A search on faa.gov shows a GN-1, N1736, registered to a Mr. Robert Squires
>of Ovilla, TX. C-85 powered, which appears to match the picture, and
>completed in 2008. Thankfully he only recieved light injuries.
>
>I found it amusing when the writer states in the article that "the pilot was
>apparently not satisfied after landing his home-built aircraft and tried to
>take off again". I guess if you're fortunate enough to make it down in one
>piece then you better not look that gift horse in the mouth. :P
>
>Ryan
________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol project, Ebay |
Funny. That project is located about five miles from my inlaws and a
little over a half hour from Brodhead. He should truck up there and
try to sell it. But not at that price.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> For those who may be interested:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Project-plane_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4a98ab8227QQitemZ320388956711QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Thanks guys.
Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and
get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some
bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited
when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn.
:o\
I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my
initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to
walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything
is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along,
quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together.
And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking
about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of
the time.
I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring
to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see
what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry
about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes
along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot.
Thanks again for all of the help!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very
> beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that
> their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such
> as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items.
>
> Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your
> project!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
>
>
> Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/
> trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that
> the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would
> suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and
> through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having
> pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not
> all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering
> them useless to you for an aircraft conversion.
>
> If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25
> or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,
> and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also
> use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having
> said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought
> William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion
> manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful
> to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
>> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
>> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>>
>> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
>> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
>> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
>> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
>> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
>> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
>> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>>
>> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
>> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
>> :o\)
>>
>> Mark
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... |
Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x
Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight
wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in
this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford
to get started :o)
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church<eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> You're right, Clif.
> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
> (see attached sketch)
>
> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
> board.
>
> Bill C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
> Dawson
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>
> --> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
> to do on my fuselage.
>
> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
>
> Clif
>
> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>
>
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Subject: | Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Mark,
I can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 months of building, I
am more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every
morning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concerned, building a
Pietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasionally interrupts
(don't tell my boss!).
If you decide to use poplar, you will have to purchase your longerons,
uprights and diagonals from a lumber store. At Home Depot, you will find
plenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs
alone will keep you busy for a couple months.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
Thanks guys.
Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and
get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some
bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited
when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn.
:o\
I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my
initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to
walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything
is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along,
quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together.
And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking
about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of
the time.
I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring
to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see
what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry
about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes
along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot.
Thanks again for all of the help!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very
> beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that
> their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too.
Such
> as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those
items.
>
> Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your
> project!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
>
>
> Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/
> trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that
> the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would
> suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and
> through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having
> pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not
> all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering
> them useless to you for an aircraft conversion.
>
> If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25
> or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,
> and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also
> use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having
> said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought
> William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion
> manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful
> to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
>> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
>> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>>
>> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
>> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
>> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
>> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
>> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
>> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
>> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>>
>> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
>> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
>> :o\)
>>
>> Mark
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
The same thing happens once your finished building and you start flying;fly
ing is what I do ,everything else just gets in the way like golfing,fishing
,bowling, curling,cutting grass,house repairs,drinking beer,woooooooh wait
a minute,drinking beer doesn't get in the way ,it just delays the flight so
mewhat till I can safely go again!=0A=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:42:56
PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine=0A
t>=0A=0AMark,=0A=0AI can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 mon
ths of building, I=0Aam more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night,
and wake up every=0Amorning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concern
ed, building a=0APietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasiona
lly interrupts=0A(don't tell my boss!).=0A=0AIf you decide to use poplar, y
ou will have to purchase your longerons,=0Auprights and diagonals from a lu
mber store. At Home Depot, you will find=0Aplenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's
to rib up into rib material. Building ribs=0Aalone will keep you busy for a
couple months. =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conv
ersion=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A(13 ribs down)=0A=0A-----Or
iginal Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[ma
ilto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
=0ASent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine=0A=0A-
=0A=0AThanks guys.=0A=0ARegarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy th
at I will come and=0Aget it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'
ll send him some=0Abucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just
so excited=0Awhen the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't
turn.=0A:o\=0A=0AI just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing so
me of my=0Ainitial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts ou
t to=0Awalk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything
=0Ais exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along,=0Aqu
ietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together.=0A=0AAnd, as I work n
ear a computer most of the time, and I am thinking=0Aabout this project, uh
, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of=0Athe time.=0A=0AI am goin
g to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring=0Ato the wood
book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see=0Awhat they have an
d how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry=0Aabout an engine lat
er, as I can keep looking until the right one comes=0Aalong. I just thought
I had found a good one right out of the shoot.=0A=0AThanks again for all o
f the help!=0A=0AMark=0A=0AOn Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe<gbo
oothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0A>=0A> Mark,=0A>=0A> Dittos to what Ryan sai
d. Just finding a usable crank might be very=0A> beneficial down the road.
Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that=0A> their crank is cracked
or bent. There are other parts worth while, too.=0ASuch=0A> as the head co
vers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those=0Aitems.=0A>=0A> Goo
d luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your=0A> proje
ct!=0A>=0A> Gary Boothe=0A> Cool, Ca.=0A> Pietenpol=0A> WW Corvair Conversi
on=0A> Tail done, Fuselage on gear=0A> (13 ribs down.)=0A>=0A> -----Origina
l Message-----=0A> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mai
lto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan=0AMueller
=0A> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine=0A
com>=0A>=0A> Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming thi
s motor/=0A> trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fac
t that=0A> the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn
would=0A> suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, a
nd=0A> through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having=0A
> pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not=0A> a
ll) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering=0A> t
hem useless to you for an aircraft conversion.=0A>=0A> If the guy wants to
just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25=0A> or $50. It's possible
the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,=0A> and it can't hurt to hav
e more of the misc small parts. You could also=0A> use a junk case later on
down the line as a mockup if need be. Having=0A> said all that, I recall y
ou saying earlier that you had not bought=0A> William's manual yet; I would
put the $50 towards his conversion=0A> manual instead of this engine. I th
ink the manual would be more useful=0A> to you at this point than a questio
nable core. Have a good day,=0A>=0A> Ryan=0A>=0A> Sent from my iPhone=0A>
=0A> On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrot
@gmail.com=0A>> >=0A>>=0A>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after ret
urning from looking at=0A>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drov
e about 2 hours away=0A>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I
could see. Along the=0A>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice
guy by the way) and=0A>> he talked me through what to look for, and after
I found the numbers=0A>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have f
ound my engine for=0A>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looke
d up the head=0A>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! =C2
-Scraped off the=0A>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case
is 110 HP too!=0A>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and t
urn,,, and try=0A>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A l
ittle close=0A>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The c
arb holes=0A>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the
pistons=0A>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. =C2-After the exam I calle
d Pat back=0A>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was
most likely=0A>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a de
al with the=0A>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's
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me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute=0A>> wood. I see a
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how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a=0A>> bit over built (
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Subject: | Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Curling...?
As in curling hair? Curling weights?
My wife thinks that once the plane is built, I'll have lots of time to get
back to home remodeling.I'm not saying a word!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
The same thing happens once your finished building and you start
flying;flying is what I do ,everything else just gets in the way like
golfing,fishing,bowling, curling,cutting grass,house repairs,drinking
beer,woooooooh wait a minute,drinking beer doesn't get in the way ,it just
delays the flight somewhat till I can safely go again!
do not archive
_____
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:42:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
Mark,
I can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 months of building, I
am more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every
morning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concerned, building a
Pietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasionally interrupts
(don't tell my boss!).
If you decide to use poplar, you will have to purchase your longerons,
uprights and diagonals from a lumber store. At Home Depot, you will find
plenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs
alone will keep you busy for a couple months.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
Thanks guys.
Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and
get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some
bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited
when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn.
:o\
I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my
initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to
walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything
is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along,
quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together.
And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking
about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of
the time.
I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring
to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see
what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry
about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes
along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot.
Thanks again for all of the help!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very
> beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that
> their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too.
Such
> as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those
items.
>
> Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your
> project!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
>
>
> Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/
> trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that
> the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would
> suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and
> through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having
> pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not
> all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering
> them useless to you for an aircraft conversion.
>
> If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25
> or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,
> and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also
> use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having
> said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought
> William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion
> manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful
> to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
>> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
>> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>>
>> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
>> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
>> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
>> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
>> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
>> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
>> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>>
>> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
>> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
>> :o\)
>>
>> Mark
>
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>>> "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 6/26/2009 12:34 PM >>>
>>Curling..?
>>As in curling hair? Curling weights?
Gary:
Don't you every watch the Olympics on TV? Curling is playing
shuffleboard on ice with big rocks and a couple of brooms. (Usually at
about 3:00 a.m. I think.)
By the way, I just priced cabane material (1.685" x .714"x .049 wall
4130 steel) at Aircraft Spruce at $36.50 per foot. I about had a heart
attack. Anyway, I found the same material online at A.E.D. Enterprises
for $12.90 per foot which is what the ASS catalog showed about 3 years
ago. Also they did not charge me to cut it into smaller pieces for
shipping. (standard length is 17 feet)
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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No wonder.I was in the garage working on the Piet..
My cabanes cost $7.45.for ALL..laminated Hickory! (I know, 1st liar doesn't
stand a chance).
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Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
>>> "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 6/26/2009 12:34 PM >>>
>>Curling...?
>>As in curling hair? Curling weights?
Gary:
Don't you every watch the Olympics on TV? Curling is playing shuffleboard on
ice with big rocks and a couple of brooms. (Usually at about 3:00 a.m. I
think.)
By the way, I just priced cabane material(1.685" x .714"x .049 wall 4130
steel) at Aircraft Spruce at $36.50 per foot. I about had a heart attack.
Anyway, I found the same material online at A.E.D. Enterprises for $12.90
per foot which is what the ASS catalog showed about 3 years ago. Also they
did not charge me to cut it into smaller pieces for shipping. (standard
length is 17 feet)
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... |
Go Mark, build man build
John
------Original Message------
From: Mark Roberts
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x
Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight
wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in
this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford
to get started :o)
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church<eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> You're right, Clif.
> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
> (see attached sketch)
>
> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
> board.
>
> Bill C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
> Dawson
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>
> --> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
> to do on my fuselage.
>
> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
>
> Clif
>
> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>
>
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Subject: | Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit |
at The Groah's
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My
visit at The Groah's
You are invited to view Mark's photo album: My visit at The
Groah's
<http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=RobertsChristmas2007&targe
t
=ALBUM&id=5349598279130209457&authkey=Gv1sRgCIPixMiX0oXd-AE&invite=
CLSir
vAM&feat=email>
<http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=RobertsChristmas2007&targe
t
=ALBUM&id=5349598279130209457&authkey=Gv1sRgCIPixMiX0oXd-AE&invite=
CLSir
vAM&feat=email>
My visit at The Groah's
Jun 20, 2009
by Mark
I had a chance to visit with Mike and Victor Groah and see their
Pietenpol Air Camper at their shop. What a great couple of guys and what
a great couple of craftsmen!
View Album
<http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=RobertsChristmas2007&targe
t
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Play slideshow
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Message from Mark:
Hi Guys:
I always find it interesting to see some of the people that we
correspond with on the list. Put's a face with a name. I happen to live
an hour away from one of the list members, and surprisingly have driven
by their house on many occasions, not knowing there was a plane being
built in the shop, or that there was such a nice guy living there. Well,
so happens that by asking iof there was anyone building a Piet near
Fresno CA that I met a couple of really nice guys yesterday. Have a
look...
If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the
following into your browser:
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ALBUM&id=5349598279130209457&authkey=Gv1sRgCIPixMiX0oXd-AE&invite=C
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... |
:o)
Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they
stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been
looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with
straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine.
And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it
is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker
for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am
looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is
only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna
figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure
I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse.
Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar
vs Sitka... Where's my wood book....
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Go Mark, build man build
>
> John
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Roberts
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Pietenpol builders Board
> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
> Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>
>
> Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x
> Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight
> wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in
> this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford
> to get started :o)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church<eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
>> You're right, Clif.
>> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
>> (see attached sketch)
>>
>> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
>> board.
>>
>> Bill C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
>> Dawson
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>>
>> --> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>
>> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
>> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
>> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
>> to do on my fuselage.
>>
>> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
>>
>> Clif
>>
>> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
>>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
>>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>>>
>>> Ben Charvet
>>
>>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Subject: | Speaking of Wood Selection... |
Now you're talkin'!! By the way...that was dried wood, wasn't it? Not stored
outside?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
:o)
Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they
stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been
looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with
straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine.
And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it
is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker
for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am
looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is
only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna
figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure
I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse.
Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar
vs Sitka... Where's my wood book....
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Go Mark, build man build
>
> John
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Roberts
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Pietenpol builders Board
> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
> Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>
>
> Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x
> Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight
> wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in
> this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford
> to get started :o)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church<eng@canadianrogers.com>
wrote:
>> You're right, Clif.
>> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
>> (see attached sketch)
>>
>> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
>> board.
>>
>> Bill C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
>> Dawson
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>>
>> --> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>
>> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
>> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
>> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
>> to do on my fuselage.
>>
>> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
>>
>> Clif
>>
>> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
>>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
>>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>>>
>>> Ben Charvet
>>
>>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 06/25/09 |
Anybody out there interested in a full set of Pietenpol Newsletters. These are
not original. They are the last of a lot of copies that I put together 8 or
9???? years ago.
$65 plus shipping to first email to mikebell@sc.rr.com
I also have a set of Corvair books: William Wynne's Converting Corvair Engines
for use in Experimental Aircraft, How to Keep Your Corvair Alive and a 1965
Chassis Shop Manual.
$30 plus shipping to first email
I still have a crankshaft around for the small displacement engine. Someone sent
it to me for the cost of shipping, so I'll pass the favor along if someone
wants it.
I have a set of plans but I'm not sure that I have everything so they'll have to
wait.
Just cleaning house and could use a few dollars.
I still enjoy reading this digest even though I haven't worked on a plane in 6
or more years.
Thanks to all
Mike Bell
Gaston, SC
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Subject: | Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
What Gary says is true Mark, the closer you get to having an airplane the more
enthused you become. Not that I am obsessed at all; having just gotten my cabane
struts all welded and shock struts all welded except for cutting to length
and then welding on the final end. And getting all those blankety blank steel
parts done is a great feeling.
Jim
On Jun 26, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
Mark,
I can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 months of building, I
am more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every
morning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concerned, building a
Pietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasionally interrupts
(don't tell my boss!).
If you decide to use poplar, you will have to purchase your longerons,
uprights and diagonals from a lumber store. At Home Depot, you will find
plenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs
alone will keep you busy for a couple months.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
Thanks guys.
Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and
get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some
bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited
when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn.
:o\
I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my
initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to
walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything
is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along,
quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together.
And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking
about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of
the time.
I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring
to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see
what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry
about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes
along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot.
Thanks again for all of the help!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very
> beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that
> their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too.
Such
> as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those
items.
>
> Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your
> project!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
>
>
> Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/
> trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that
> the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would
> suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and
> through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having
> pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not
> all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering
> them useless to you for an aircraft conversion.
>
> If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25
> or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,
> and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also
> use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having
> said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought
> William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion
> manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful
> to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
>> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
>> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>>
>> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
>> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
>> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
>> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
>> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
>> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
>> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>>
>> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
>> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
>> :o\)
>>
>> Mark
>
>
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Subject: | Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
I got a corvair motor like this - it didn't turn over. I got it home for f
ree=2C stating I'd pay if I could use anything. I started pulling parts an
d when I pulled the distributor I found the problem. The distributor gear
was chewed up. Once it was out=2C problem solved. I couldn't find the cau
se of it - I tore down the rest of the engine and found no problems - of co
urse the gear on the crank was equally chewed. Anyway=2C I call the guy ba
ck to tell him about it and he says=2C just keep it=2C don't worry about an
y money.
Might be worth a shot.
Tom B.
> Date: Thu=2C 25 Jun 2009 23:15:45 -0700
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
> From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
> he talked me through what to look for=2C and after I found the numbers
> where he told me to look=2C I thought I might have found my engine for
> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard=2C looked up the head
> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
> Grab a wrench=2C put the transmission into neutral and turn=2C=2C=2C and
try
> that again=2C=2C=2C=2C no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little clos
e
> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
> were stuffed with rags=2C and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>
> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar=2C and just wanted
> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
> than Sitka=2C but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>
> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
> :o\)
>
> Mark
>
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>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... |
Proud of ya Mark, go thee forth and make saw dust
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
:o)
Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they
stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been
looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with
straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine.
And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it
is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker
for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am
looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is
only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna
figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure
I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse.
Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar
vs Sitka... Where's my wood book....
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Go Mark, build man build
>
> John
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Roberts
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Pietenpol builders Board
> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
> Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>
>
> Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x
> Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight
> wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in
> this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford
> to get started :o)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church<eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
>> You're right, Clif.
>> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
>> (see attached sketch)
>>
>> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
>> board.
>>
>> Bill C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
>> Dawson
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>>
>> --> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>
>> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
>> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
>> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
>> to do on my fuselage.
>>
>> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
>>
>> Clif
>>
>> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
>>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
>>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>>>
>>> Ben Charvet
>>
>>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Hi Bill,
Sorry, I did reply to the group as opposed to the individual to whom they w
ere intended. The value of the drawings is in that some of the components s
hown could be used on a Piet drawing.
Grover
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings
Grover,
-
Did you mistakenly send that message to the Piet List?
I opened the CAD drawings you attached, and they do not appear to have any
connection to the Piet.
-
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Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 06/09/09 |
RE Carb heat muffs
Any info please have been advised to keep the muff as close to the
cylinder as possible, for an O200 all the pipes are outside the cowl how
is
enough heat avail due to air cooling
Am using 1.5 inch stailess pipes
Thanks Graham Hewitt
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... |
Yep: Kiln dried and stored in a warehouse. Sweet!
And, I went to a new computational websearch engine called
Wolframalpha.com to look up the weight difference in Poplar and Sitka
Spruce. It spits out the density of Sitka at .335g/cm3, and poplar at
.38g/cm3 ... And the strength properties listed are extremely close.
So I don't think I'll be adding a bunch of weight to the plane, and
keeping the dimensions the same on all wood parts would yield about as
much weight as if I was sloppy with glue or something. The difference
(if I am looking at this properly) is .38 minus .335 or a difference
of .045/cm3 or about 13 percent heavier...13 pounds per 100... for a
dollar savings of a lot!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Gary Boothe<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Now you're talkin'!! By the way...that was dried wood, wasn't it? Not stored
> outside?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:29 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>
>
> :o)
>
> Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they
> stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been
> looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with
> straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine.
>
> And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it
> is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker
> for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am
> looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is
> only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna
> figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure
> I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse.
>
> Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar
> vs Sitka... Where's my wood book....
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Go Mark, build man build
>>
>> John
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mark Roberts
>> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> To: Pietenpol builders Board
>> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
>> Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x
>> Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight
>> wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in
>> this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford
>> to get started :o)
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church<eng@canadianrogers.com>
> wrote:
>>> You're right, Clif.
>>> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
>>> (see attached sketch)
>>>
>>> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
>>> board.
>>>
>>> Bill C.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
>>> Dawson
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection...
>>>
>>> --> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>>
>>> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2".
>>> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than
>>> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left
>>> to do on my fuselage.
>>>
>>> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank.
>>>
>>> Clif
>>>
>>> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons
>>>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x
>>>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with,
>>>>
>>>> Ben Charvet
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine |
Oh, now you have me thinking... maybe I'll be going back soon to pick
up that engine!
Thanks!
Mark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT<tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:
> I got a corvair motor like this - it didn't turn over. I got it home for
> free, stating I'd pay if I could use anything. I started pulling parts and
> when I pulled the distributor I found the problem. The distributor gear was
> chewed up. Once it was out, problem solved. I couldn't find the cause of
> it - I tore down the rest of the engine and found no problems - of course
> the gear on the crank was equally chewed. Anyway, I call the guy back to
> tell him about it and he says, just keep it, don't worry about any money.
>
> Might be worth a shot.
>
> Tom B.
>
>> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:15:45 -0700
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine
>> From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at
>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away
>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the
>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and
>> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers
>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for
>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head
>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the
>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!
>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try
>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close
>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes
>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons
>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back
>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely
>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the
>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth
>> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\
>>
>> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary
>> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute
>> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted
>> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong
>> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a
>> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better
>> choice than fir for the majority of the build.
>>
>> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the
>> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately
> >-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... |
Oh Crap! There goes my brain!!!!
I do SO love the taste of socks.
Clif...
You're right, Clif.
You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE!
(see attached sketch)
I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2"
board.
Bill C.
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