---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/26/09: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Ryan Mueller) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Ameet Savant) 3. 05:14 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Bill Church) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Gary Boothe) 5. 06:07 AM - GN1 crash at Midway in TX (outofthebox50@yahoo.com) 6. 06:49 AM - Re: GN1 crash at Midway in TX (Ryan Mueller) 7. 07:00 AM - Re: corvair mounts (Barry Davis) 8. 07:33 AM - Re: CAD drawings (Bill Church) 9. 07:54 AM - Pietenpol project, Ebay (Michael Perez) 10. 07:54 AM - Re: GN1 crash at Midway in TX (John Franklin) 11. 08:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol project, Ebay (John Hofmann) 12. 09:23 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Mark Roberts) 13. 09:26 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Mark Roberts) 14. 09:43 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Gary Boothe) 15. 10:22 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (H RULE) 16. 10:43 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Gary Boothe) 17. 11:09 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (TOM STINEMETZE) 18. 11:09 AM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (amsafetyc@aol.com) 19. 11:20 AM - curling (Gary Boothe) 20. 11:42 AM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (amsafetyc@aol.com) 21. 02:23 PM - Re: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit at The Groah's (Bill Church) 22. 03:29 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Mark Roberts) 23. 03:37 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Gary Boothe) 24. 04:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 06/25/09 () 25. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Jim) 26. 06:56 PM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 27. 07:17 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (amsafetyc@aol.com) 28. 07:39 PM - Re: CAD drawings (Grover Summers) 29. 08:10 PM - test (Stephen Walton) 30. 08:37 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 06/09/09 (GR Hewitt) 31. 09:24 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Mark Roberts) 32. 09:34 PM - Re: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine (Mark Roberts) 33. 10:22 PM - Re: Speaking of Wood Selection... (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:50 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/ trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering them useless to you for an aircraft conversion. If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25 or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores, and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day, Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > > I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at > a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away > from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the > way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and > he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers > where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for > about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head > numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the > dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! > Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try > that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close > look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes > were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons > are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back > and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely > worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the > guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth > much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ > > Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary > Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute > wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted > to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong > than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a > bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better > choice than fir for the majority of the build. > > (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the > phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately > :o\) > > Mark ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:28 AM PST US From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Mark, I can understand your excitement. I am also starting on my project but I am spending a lot less time and effort on it than you are (so envious!). I've been researching Poplar too and found that Sitka Spruce and Yellow Poplar at 12% moisture content are comparable in density. I believe it is near 28 lbs/cu ft, with the Poplar fractionally heavier. If you want to get an authoritative source on the subject there is none better than http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/ You'll see why when you visit the link. They have amazing documentation on every aspect of building with wood. >From a numbers perspective the Poplar seems to be a almost direct replacement for Spruce, yet many designers stick with Spruce. I wonder why it is not as popular, especially given the cost. Regards, Ameet Omaha, NE --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Mark Roberts wrote: > Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 > that Gary > Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential > substitute > wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and > just wanted > to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly > less strong > than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the > plane is a > bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a > better > choice than fir for the majority of the build. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: "Bill Church" You're right, Clif. You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! (see attached sketch) I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" board. Bill C. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... --> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left to do on my fuselage. My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. Clif Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons > out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x > lumber it would be a little easier to work with, > > Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:25 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Mark, Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items. Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your project! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/ trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering them useless to you for an aircraft conversion. If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25 or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores, and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day, Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > > I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at > a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away > from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the > way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and > he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers > where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for > about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head > numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the > dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! > Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try > that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close > look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes > were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons > are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back > and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely > worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the > guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth > much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ > > Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary > Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute > wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted > to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong > than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a > bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better > choice than fir for the majority of the build. > > (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the > phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately > :o\) > > Mark ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 crash at Midway in TX From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa090624_wz_elliscocrash.f89d3b.html A friend of my dads manages this airport and told us about this. We didn't get the owner's name though. Jeremy in dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN1 crash at Midway in TX From: Ryan Mueller They mention the crash was in Ellis County, and that the registered owner is from Ovilla.... A search on faa.gov shows a GN-1, N1736, registered to a Mr. Robert Squires of Ovilla, TX. C-85 powered, which appears to match the picture, and completed in 2008. Thankfully he only recieved light injuries. I found it amusing when the writer states in the article that "the pilot was apparently not satisfied after landing his home-built aircraft and tried to take off again". I guess if you're fortunate enough to make it down in one piece then you better not look that gift horse in the mouth. :P Ryan On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:54 AM, wrote: > > > http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa090624_wz_elliscocrash.f89d3b.html > > A friend of my dads manages this airport and told us about this. We didn't > get the owner's name though. > > Jeremy in dallas > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:53 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: corvair mounts Raymnd I think we bought the correct size from Aircraft Spruce. I'll check it in the next couple of days. We might have a little left over that I could mail to you, but let me check first. (it only takes a couple of inches for the 4 bolts) Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair mounts well I'm in the process of trying to get the engine back on my project I got from DJ. it was funny when I read the BPA newsletter and found that I had it finished and flying with a strange N number. I wish! anyway-I have the polyurethane mounts that it came with and the 3/8" bolts but I surely want to make some wear sleeves to go over the bolts to take up the space between the bolt and the case. it measures about .550" I.D. has anybody found anything really tough like a Teflon plastic sleeve in the right diameters? I know I can find some in larger diameters that are used to insulate bolts on large Pipe flanges.if necessary I can cut them down and roll them tighter but I'd rather it was solid.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250030#250030 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings From: "Bill Church" Grover, Did you mistakenly send that message to the Piet List? I opened the CAD drawings you attached, and they do not appear to have any connection to the Piet. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grover Summers Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings More data ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:19 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project, Ebay For those who may be interested: - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Project-plane_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_t rkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4a98ab8227QQitemZ3203889 56711QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:41 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN1 crash at Midway in TX Ryan, I met Bob Squires about 2 years ago and spent a couple of days at his place in Ovilla...you won't find a nicer couple than Bob and his wife. His maiden flight was this past May 27th, and he did all the right things getting certified, and he also got a lot of stick time in other tail draggers before flying. His engine was virtually new and I believe was certified. The damage looks extensive and I'll have to talk to him and see what his plans are; hate to see the Texas wing lose an Aircamper, but at least he walked away from it. John F. GN-1 / Corvair Richmond, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Ryan Mueller >Sent: Jun 26, 2009 9:48 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN1 crash at Midway in TX > >They mention the crash was in Ellis County, and that the registered owner is >from Ovilla.... > >A search on faa.gov shows a GN-1, N1736, registered to a Mr. Robert Squires >of Ovilla, TX. C-85 powered, which appears to match the picture, and >completed in 2008. Thankfully he only recieved light injuries. > >I found it amusing when the writer states in the article that "the pilot was >apparently not satisfied after landing his home-built aircraft and tried to >take off again". I guess if you're fortunate enough to make it down in one >piece then you better not look that gift horse in the mouth. :P > >Ryan ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:10 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project, Ebay Funny. That project is located about five miles from my inlaws and a little over a half hour from Brodhead. He should truck up there and try to sell it. But not at that price. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > For those who may be interested: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Project-plane_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4a98ab8227QQitemZ320388956711QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine From: Mark Roberts Thanks guys. Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn. :o\ I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along, quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together. And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of the time. I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot. Thanks again for all of the help! Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very > beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that > their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such > as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items. > > Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your > project! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine > > > Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/ > trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that > the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would > suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and > through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having > pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not > all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering > them useless to you for an aircraft conversion. > > If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25 > or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores, > and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also > use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having > said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought > William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion > manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful > to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day, > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> > >> >> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at >> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away >> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the >> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and >> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers >> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for >> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head >> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the >> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! >> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try >> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close >> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes >> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons >> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back >> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely >> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the >> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth >> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ >> >> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary >> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute >> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted >> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong >> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a >> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better >> choice than fir for the majority of the build. >> >> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the >> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately >> :o\) >> >> Mark > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: Mark Roberts Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford to get started :o) Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church wrote: > You're right, Clif. > You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! > (see attached sketch) > > I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" > board. > > Bill C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif > Dawson > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > --> > > Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". > And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than > working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left > to do on my fuselage. > > My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. > > Clif > > Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons >> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x >> lumber it would be a little easier to work with, >> >> Ben Charvet > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:37 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Mark, I can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 months of building, I am more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every morning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concerned, building a Pietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasionally interrupts (don't tell my boss!). If you decide to use poplar, you will have to purchase your longerons, uprights and diagonals from a lumber store. At Home Depot, you will find plenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs alone will keep you busy for a couple months. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Thanks guys. Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn. :o\ I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along, quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together. And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of the time. I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot. Thanks again for all of the help! Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very > beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that > their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such > as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items. > > Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your > project! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine > > > Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/ > trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that > the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would > suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and > through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having > pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not > all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering > them useless to you for an aircraft conversion. > > If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25 > or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores, > and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also > use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having > said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought > William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion > manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful > to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day, > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> > >> >> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at >> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away >> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the >> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and >> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers >> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for >> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head >> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the >> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! >> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try >> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close >> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes >> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons >> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back >> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely >> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the >> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth >> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ >> >> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary >> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute >> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted >> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong >> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a >> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better >> choice than fir for the majority of the build. >> >> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the >> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately >> :o\) >> >> Mark > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:19 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine The same thing happens once your finished building and you start flying;fly ing is what I do ,everything else just gets in the way like golfing,fishing ,bowling, curling,cutting grass,house repairs,drinking beer,woooooooh wait a minute,drinking beer doesn't get in the way ,it just delays the flight so mewhat till I can safely go again!=0A=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:42:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine=0A t>=0A=0AMark,=0A=0AI can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 mon ths of building, I=0Aam more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every=0Amorning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concern ed, building a=0APietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasiona lly interrupts=0A(don't tell my boss!).=0A=0AIf you decide to use poplar, y ou will have to purchase your longerons,=0Auprights and diagonals from a lu mber store. At Home Depot, you will find=0Aplenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs=0Aalone will keep you busy for a couple months. =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conv ersion=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A(13 ribs down)=0A=0A-----Or iginal Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[ma ilto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts =0ASent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine=0A=0A- =0A=0AThanks guys.=0A=0ARegarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy th at I will come and=0Aget it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I' ll send him some=0Abucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited=0Awhen the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn.=0A:o\=0A=0AI just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing so me of my=0Ainitial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts ou t to=0Awalk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything =0Ais exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along,=0Aqu ietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together.=0A=0AAnd, as I work n ear a computer most of the time, and I am thinking=0Aabout this project, uh , most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of=0Athe time.=0A=0AI am goin g to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring=0Ato the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see=0Awhat they have an d how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry=0Aabout an engine lat er, as I can keep looking until the right one comes=0Aalong. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot.=0A=0AThanks again for all o f the help!=0A=0AMark=0A=0AOn Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe=0A>=0A> Mark,=0A>=0A> Dittos to what Ryan sai d. Just finding a usable crank might be very=0A> beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that=0A> their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too.=0ASuch=0A> as the head co vers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those=0Aitems.=0A>=0A> Goo d luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your=0A> proje ct!=0A>=0A> Gary Boothe=0A> Cool, Ca.=0A> Pietenpol=0A> WW Corvair Conversi on=0A> Tail done, Fuselage on gear=0A> (13 ribs down.)=0A>=0A> -----Origina l Message-----=0A> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mai lto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan=0AMueller =0A> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine=0A com>=0A>=0A> Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming thi s motor/=0A> trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fac t that=0A> the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would=0A> suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, a nd=0A> through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having=0A > pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not=0A> a ll) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering=0A> t hem useless to you for an aircraft conversion.=0A>=0A> If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25=0A> or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores,=0A> and it can't hurt to hav e more of the misc small parts. You could also=0A> use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having=0A> said all that, I recall y ou saying earlier that you had not bought=0A> William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion=0A> manual instead of this engine. I th ink the manual would be more useful=0A> to you at this point than a questio nable core. Have a good day,=0A>=0A> Ryan=0A>=0A> Sent from my iPhone=0A> =0A> On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrot @gmail.com=0A>> >=0A>>=0A>> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after ret urning from looking at=0A>> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drov e about 2 hours away=0A>> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the=0A>> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and=0A>> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers=0A>> where he told me to look, I thought I might have f ound my engine for=0A>> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looke d up the head=0A>> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! =C2 -Scraped off the=0A>> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too!=0A>> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and t urn,,, and try=0A>> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A l ittle close=0A>> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The c arb holes=0A>> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons=0A>> are rusted to the cylinder walls. =C2-After the exam I calle d Pat back=0A>> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely=0A>> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a de al with the=0A>> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth=0A>> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\=0A>>=0A>> Now a pop lar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary=0A>> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute=0A>> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted=0A>> to check on th e weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong=0A>> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a=0A>> bit over built ( design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better=0A>> choice than fir for t he majority of the build.=0A>>=0A>> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the=0A>> phone and I have just forgotten... It's ha ppening too often lately=0A>> :o\)=0A>>=0A>> Mark=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ==C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -=0A - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - ============= ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:11 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Curling...? As in curling hair? Curling weights? My wife thinks that once the plane is built, I'll have lots of time to get back to home remodeling.I'm not saying a word! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine The same thing happens once your finished building and you start flying;flying is what I do ,everything else just gets in the way like golfing,fishing,bowling, curling,cutting grass,house repairs,drinking beer,woooooooh wait a minute,drinking beer doesn't get in the way ,it just delays the flight somewhat till I can safely go again! do not archive _____ From: Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:42:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Mark, I can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 months of building, I am more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every morning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concerned, building a Pietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasionally interrupts (don't tell my boss!). If you decide to use poplar, you will have to purchase your longerons, uprights and diagonals from a lumber store. At Home Depot, you will find plenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs alone will keep you busy for a couple months. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Thanks guys. Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn. :o\ I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along, quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together. And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of the time. I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot. Thanks again for all of the help! Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very > beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that > their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such > as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items. > > Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your > project! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine > > > Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/ > trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that > the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would > suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and > through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having > pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not > all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering > them useless to you for an aircraft conversion. > > If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25 > or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores, > and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also > use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having > said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought > William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion > manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful > to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day, > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> > >> >> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at >> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away >> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the >> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and >> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers >> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for >> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head >> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the >> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! >> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try >> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close >> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes >> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons >> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back >> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely >> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the >> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth >> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ >> >> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary >> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute >> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted >> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong >> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a >> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better >> choice than fir for the majority of the build. >> >> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the >> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately >> :o\) >> >> Mark > > /www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List _f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.nbsp; onics.com/contribution" ====== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:08 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine >>> "Gary Boothe" 6/26/2009 12:34 PM >>> >>Curling..? >>As in curling hair? Curling weights? Gary: Don't you every watch the Olympics on TV? Curling is playing shuffleboard on ice with big rocks and a couple of brooms. (Usually at about 3:00 a.m. I think.) By the way, I just priced cabane material (1.685" x .714"x .049 wall 4130 steel) at Aircraft Spruce at $36.50 per foot. I about had a heart attack. Anyway, I found the same material online at A.E.D. Enterprises for $12.90 per foot which is what the ASS catalog showed about 3 years ago. Also they did not charge me to cut it into smaller pieces for shipping. 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garage working on the Piet.. My cabanes cost $7.45.for ALL..laminated Hickory! (I know, 1st liar doesn't stand a chance). Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine >>> "Gary Boothe" 6/26/2009 12:34 PM >>> >>Curling...? >>As in curling hair? Curling weights? Gary: Don't you every watch the Olympics on TV? Curling is playing shuffleboard on ice with big rocks and a couple of brooms. (Usually at about 3:00 a.m. I think.) By the way, I just priced cabane material(1.685" x .714"x .049 wall 4130 steel) at Aircraft Spruce at $36.50 per foot. I about had a heart attack. Anyway, I found the same material online at A.E.D. Enterprises for $12.90 per foot which is what the ASS catalog showed about 3 years ago. Also they did not charge me to cut it into smaller pieces for shipping. (standard length is 17 feet) Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: amsafetyc@aol.com Go Mark, build man build John ------Original Message------ From: Mark Roberts Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford to get started :o) Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church wrote: > You're right, Clif. > You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! > (see attached sketch) > > I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" > board. > > Bill C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif > Dawson > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > --> > > Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". > And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than > working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left > to do on my fuselage. > > My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. > > Clif > > Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons >> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x >> lumber it would be a little easier to work with, >> >> Ben Charvet > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:42 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit at The Groah's From: "Bill Church" ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Invitation to view Mark's Picasa Web Album - My visit at The Groah's You are invited to view Mark's photo album: My visit at The Groah's My visit at The Groah's Jun 20, 2009 by Mark I had a chance to visit with Mike and Victor Groah and see their Pietenpol Air Camper at their shop. What a great couple of guys and what a great couple of craftsmen! View Album Play slideshow Message from Mark: Hi Guys: I always find it interesting to see some of the people that we correspond with on the list. Put's a face with a name. I happen to live an hour away from one of the list members, and surprisingly have driven by their house on many occasions, not knowing there was a plane being built in the shop, or that there was such a nice guy living there. Well, so happens that by asking iof there was anyone building a Piet near Fresno CA that I met a couple of really nice guys yesterday. Have a look... If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=RobertsChristmas2007&target ALBUM&id=5349598279130209457&authkey=Gv1sRgCIPixMiX0oXd-AE&invite=C LSirv AM&feat=email To share your photos or receive notification when your friends share photos, get your own free Picasa Web Albums account . ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: Mark Roberts :o) Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine. And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse. Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar vs Sitka... Where's my wood book.... Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, wrote: > > Go Mark, build man build > > John > ------Original Message------ > From: Mark Roberts > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: Pietenpol builders Board > ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board > Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > > Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x > Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight > wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in > this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford > to get started :o) > > Mark > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church wrote: >> You're right, Clif. >> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! >> (see attached sketch) >> >> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" >> board. >> >> Bill C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif >> Dawson >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... >> >> --> >> >> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". >> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than >> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left >> to do on my fuselage. >> >> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. >> >> Clif >> >> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons >>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x >>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with, >>> >>> Ben Charvet >> >> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... Now you're talkin'!! By the way...that was dried wood, wasn't it? Not stored outside? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... :o) Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine. And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse. Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar vs Sitka... Where's my wood book.... Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, wrote: > > Go Mark, build man build > > John > ------Original Message------ > From: Mark Roberts > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: Pietenpol builders Board > ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board > Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > > Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x > Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight > wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in > this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford > to get started :o) > > Mark > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church wrote: >> You're right, Clif. >> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! >> (see attached sketch) >> >> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" >> board. >> >> Bill C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif >> Dawson >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... >> >> --> >> >> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". >> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than >> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left >> to do on my fuselage. >> >> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. >> >> Clif >> >> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons >>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x >>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with, >>> >>> Ben Charvet >> >> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:59 PM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 06/25/09 Anybody out there interested in a full set of Pietenpol Newsletters. These are not original. They are the last of a lot of copies that I put together 8 or 9???? years ago. $65 plus shipping to first email to mikebell@sc.rr.com I also have a set of Corvair books: William Wynne's Converting Corvair Engines for use in Experimental Aircraft, How to Keep Your Corvair Alive and a 1965 Chassis Shop Manual. $30 plus shipping to first email I still have a crankshaft around for the small displacement engine. Someone sent it to me for the cost of shipping, so I'll pass the favor along if someone wants it. I have a set of plans but I'm not sure that I have everything so they'll have to wait. Just cleaning house and could use a few dollars. I still enjoy reading this digest even though I haven't worked on a plane in 6 or more years. Thanks to all Mike Bell Gaston, SC ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:20 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair What Gary says is true Mark, the closer you get to having an airplane the more enthused you become. Not that I am obsessed at all; having just gotten my cabane struts all welded and shock struts all welded except for cutting to length and then welding on the final end. And getting all those blankety blank steel parts done is a great feeling. Jim On Jun 26, 2009, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Mark, I can make fun of your enthusiasm, because, after 15 months of building, I am more obsessed than ever. I go to sleep every night, and wake up every morning, thinking about my Piet! As far as I'm concerned, building a Pietenpol is "What I do." Work is something that occasionally interrupts (don't tell my boss!). If you decide to use poplar, you will have to purchase your longerons, uprights and diagonals from a lumber store. At Home Depot, you will find plenty of usable 1x2's or 1x4's to rib up into rib material. Building ribs alone will keep you busy for a couple months. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine Thanks guys. Regarding the motor, I think I will tell the guy that I will come and get it for free, and If I find use in it somewhere, I'll send him some bucks. If he wants to keep the engine, fine. I was just so excited when the numbers turned out to be a 110, and then it wouldn't turn. :o\ I just want to say thanks to all you guys for absorbing some of my initial enthusiasm. I think it must be like a guy that starts out to walk from LA to NYC, and he's only one day into the walk. Everything is exciting. After a year of this I bet I'll be just humming along, quietly making engine noises as I glue sticks together. And, as I work near a computer most of the time, and I am thinking about this project, uh, most of the time, I post messages, uh, most of the time. I am going to the wood store today to smell wood. I will be referring to the wood book and the info I've been reading about Poplar to see what they have and how much it's gonna cost to get started. I'll worry about an engine later, as I can keep looking until the right one comes along. I just thought I had found a good one right out of the shoot. Thanks again for all of the help! Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Mark, > > Dittos to what Ryan said. Just finding a usable crank might be very > beneficial down the road. Some guys find a good engine, just to learn that > their crank is cracked or bent. There are other parts worth while, too. Such > as the head covers, baffles, etc. My core came without both of those items. > > Good luck to you...and try to put a little more enthusiasm into your > project! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:37 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine > > > Mark, you didn't say anything about a car, so I'm assuming this motor/ > trans is just sitting out in the open. As you suspect, the fact that > the carbs are only plugged with rags and the motor will not turn would > suggest that water has run down through carbs, into the heads, and > through the open valves into the cylinders. In addition to having > pistons frozen in their bores it is highly likely that some (if not > all) of the combustion chambers on the heads will be pitted, rendering > them useless to you for an aircraft conversion. > > If the guy wants to just get it gone, it could be worth offering $25 > or $50. It's possible the case, cam, or crank could be usable cores, > and it can't hurt to have more of the misc small parts. You could also > use a junk case later on down the line as a mockup if need be. Having > said all that, I recall you saying earlier that you had not bought > William's manual yet; I would put the $50 towards his conversion > manual instead of this engine. I think the manual would be more useful > to you at this point than a questionable core. Have a good day, > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> > >> >> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at >> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away >> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the >> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and >> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers >> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for >> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head >> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the >> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! >> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try >> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close >> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes >> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons >> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back >> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely >> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the >> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth >> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ >> >> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary >> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute >> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted >> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong >> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a >> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better >> choice than fir for the majority of the build. >> >> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the >> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately >> :o\) >> >> Mark > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:47 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine I got a corvair motor like this - it didn't turn over. I got it home for f ree=2C stating I'd pay if I could use anything. I started pulling parts an d when I pulled the distributor I found the problem. The distributor gear was chewed up. Once it was out=2C problem solved. I couldn't find the cau se of it - I tore down the rest of the engine and found no problems - of co urse the gear on the crank was equally chewed. Anyway=2C I call the guy ba ck to tell him about it and he says=2C just keep it=2C don't worry about an y money. Might be worth a shot. Tom B. > Date: Thu=2C 25 Jun 2009 23:15:45 -0700 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine > From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at > a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away > from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the > way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and > he talked me through what to look for=2C and after I found the numbers > where he told me to look=2C I thought I might have found my engine for > about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard=2C looked up the head > numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the > dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! > Grab a wrench=2C put the transmission into neutral and turn=2C=2C=2C and try > that again=2C=2C=2C=2C no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little clos e > look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes > were stuffed with rags=2C and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons > are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back > and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely > worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the > guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth > much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ > > Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary > Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute > wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar=2C and just wanted > to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong > than Sitka=2C but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a > bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better > choice than fir for the majority of the build. > > (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the > phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately > :o\) > > Mark > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: amsafetyc@aol.com Proud of ya Mark, go thee forth and make saw dust John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... :o) Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine. And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse. Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar vs Sitka... Where's my wood book.... Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, wrote: > > Go Mark, build man build > > John > ------Original Message------ > From: Mark Roberts > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: Pietenpol builders Board > ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board > Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > > Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x > Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight > wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in > this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford > to get started :o) > > Mark > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church wrote: >> You're right, Clif. >> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! >> (see attached sketch) >> >> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" >> board. >> >> Bill C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif >> Dawson >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... >> >> --> >> >> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". >> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than >> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left >> to do on my fuselage. >> >> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. >> >> Clif >> >> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons >>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x >>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with, >>> >>> Ben Charvet >> >> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:44 PM PST US From: Grover Summers Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings Hi Bill, Sorry, I did reply to the group as opposed to the individual to whom they w ere intended. The value of the drawings is in that some of the components s hown could be used on a Piet drawing. Grover --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Bill Church wrote: From: Bill Church Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawings Grover, - Did you mistakenly send that message to the Piet List? I opened the CAD drawings you attached, and they do not appear to have any connection to the Piet. - - ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:49 PM PST US From: "Stephen Walton" Subject: Pietenpol-List: test test ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:57 PM PST US From: "GR Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 06/09/09 RE Carb heat muffs Any info please have been advised to keep the muff as close to the cylinder as possible, for an O200 all the pipes are outside the cowl how is enough heat avail due to air cooling Am using 1.5 inch stailess pipes Thanks Graham Hewitt ----- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... From: Mark Roberts Yep: Kiln dried and stored in a warehouse. Sweet! And, I went to a new computational websearch engine called Wolframalpha.com to look up the weight difference in Poplar and Sitka Spruce. It spits out the density of Sitka at .335g/cm3, and poplar at .38g/cm3 ... And the strength properties listed are extremely close. So I don't think I'll be adding a bunch of weight to the plane, and keeping the dimensions the same on all wood parts would yield about as much weight as if I was sloppy with glue or something. The difference (if I am looking at this properly) is .38 minus .335 or a difference of .045/cm3 or about 13 percent heavier...13 pounds per 100... for a dollar savings of a lot! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Now you're talkin'!! By the way...that was dried wood, wasn't it? Not stored > outside? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (13 ribs down) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... > > > :o) > > Well, I went to the lumber yard today (the REAL lumber yard where they > stock un-faced wood...not the big box depots) and saw what I've been > looking for. They had unfinished poplar in large stacks, banded with > straps to keep it straight, and in more sizes than I could imagine. > > And, the guy told me that for the 5/4" (1.25") unfinished poplar, it > is only $1.80 per boardfoot. I figured I didn't need anything thicker > for the bulk of the fuse than 1" thick stuff, so that's what I am > looking at getting. OK, so a 16 foot length if the stuff, 12" wide is > only $36 and I get to plain it down and saw it up myself. I'm gonna > figure out how many little sticks I need from it, but i am not sure > I'll need over $100 bucks worth of the stuff for just the fuse. > > Now, I am off to determine the relative strength to weight of poplar > vs Sitka... Where's my wood book.... > > Mark > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, wrote: >> >> Go Mark, build man build >> >> John >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Mark Roberts >> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> To: Pietenpol builders Board >> ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board >> Sent: Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... >> >> >> Thanks for the drawing Bill. I will most likely be looking for 2x >> Poplar, as I think it will work best for what I want to do. Weight >> wise, it should be close, and as BHP over designed the strength in >> this plane, I think should be plenty strong enough. And, I can afford >> to get started :o) >> >> Mark >> >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bill Church > wrote: >>> You're right, Clif. >>> You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! >>> (see attached sketch) >>> >>> I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" >>> board. >>> >>> Bill C. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif >>> Dawson >>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:05 PM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... >>> >>> --> >>> >>> Sorry, but you can't get four 1X1's out of 3 1/2" X 3 1/2". >>> And you're right, ripping a square like that is definitely harder than >>> working with 2X. It's moot for me anyway, as there isn't that much left >>> to do on my fuselage. >>> >>> My next big project in that regard is the fiberglass fuel tank. >>> >>> Clif >>> >>> Cliff.. It wouldnt be too hard to get 4 longerons >>>> out of a 4X4 provided your saw will cut through it. If you use 2x >>>> lumber it would be a little easier to work with, >>>> >>>> Ben Charvet >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine From: Mark Roberts Oh, now you have me thinking... maybe I'll be going back soon to pick up that engine! Thanks! Mark On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > I got a corvair motor like this - it didn't turn over. I got it home for > free, stating I'd pay if I could use anything. I started pulling parts and > when I pulled the distributor I found the problem. The distributor gear was > chewed up. Once it was out, problem solved. I couldn't find the cause of > it - I tore down the rest of the engine and found no problems - of course > the gear on the crank was equally chewed. Anyway, I call the guy back to > tell him about it and he says, just keep it, don't worry about any money. > > Might be worth a shot. > > Tom B. > >> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:15:45 -0700 >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poplar (Yellow) and a corvair engine >> From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> I'm reading the EAA wood book tonight after returning from looking at >> a Corvair Engine that was a heart breaker. Drove about 2 hours away >> from my home to look at this motor to see what I could see. Along the >> way I called Pat Panzera (a bona fide really nice guy by the way) and >> he talked me through what to look for, and after I found the numbers >> where he told me to look, I thought I might have found my engine for >> about 100 bucks. I got to the guys bone yard, looked up the head >> numbers and Eureka! The heads were 110 HP pure gold! Scraped off the >> dirt from the case block and whatdoyaknow! The case is 110 HP too! >> Grab a wrench, put the transmission into neutral and turn,,, and try >> that again,,,, no luck. The motor would not rotate. A little close >> look and the plug wires were not connected to plugs. The carb holes >> were stuffed with rags, and I have a sneaking suspicion the pistons >> are rusted to the cylinder walls. After the exam I called Pat back >> and found out it was probably a bust in that the motor was most likely >> worthless. Bummer. I may still try to get it and make a deal with the >> guy that I'll pay him if I can use any of it. He said it's not worth >> much to him sitting out in the rain :o\ >> >> Now a poplar question: I looked at the page from AC43.13 that Gary >> Boothe sent me that lists Poplar (Yellow) as a potential substitute >> wood. I see a number of you are building with Poplar, and just wanted >> to check on the weight difference. I see it is slightly less strong >> than Sitka, but how much heavier is it over all? Since the plane is a >> bit over built (design wise) I think poplar sounds like a better >> choice than fir for the majority of the build. >> >> (My apologies to John if you mentioned the difference today on the >> phone and I have just forgotten... It's happening too often lately > >-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:33 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wood Selection... Oh Crap! There goes my brain!!!! I do SO love the taste of socks. Clif... You're right, Clif. You can't get four 1x1's out of 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" ... You can get NINE! (see attached sketch) I assume you meant that you can't get four 1" pieces from a 3 1/2" board. 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