---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/14/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - Re: tin cans (Jack) 2. 05:12 AM - Cliff's landing gear legs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: Yesterday's Milestone (Tim Willis) 4. 07:13 AM - Re: Yesterday's Milestone (Bill Church) 5. 07:44 AM - moth type wing tank (Dave Abramson) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Missing Person (Don Emch) 7. 08:41 AM - Re: tail weight (Dan Yocum) 8. 10:19 AM - Re: tail weight (Jack Phillips) 9. 11:41 AM - Re: tail weight (Mark Roberts) 10. 12:40 PM - Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 11. 01:55 PM - Re: Brodhead or bust (Gene Rambo) 12. 02:13 PM - Re: Brodhead or bust (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 13. 05:16 PM - Re: Brodhead or bust (Gary Boothe) 14. 06:17 PM - Re: easy beaded cowling edge (Steve Ruse) 15. 07:10 PM - lamintated spar (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 16. 08:24 PM - Re: Yesterday's Milestone (Clif Dawson) 17. 09:23 PM - Re: tail weight () 18. 09:39 PM - Re: tail weight (Mark Roberts) 19. 10:52 PM - For sale in Vancouver (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:05 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tin cans I'll be damned, it fooled me and I built one. Still trying to get my foot out of my mouth. Jack www.textors.com Jack Textor--- believe it or not that airplane behind me in the photo wasn't an RV....but an ALL WOOD Corby Starlet that I owned for four years from 2004 to 2008. The airplane is now back with it's original builder who said "if you ever consider selling it, give me a call" and he bought it back. The Heilman's Old Style beer can from Wisconsin is about the only tin in that photo and I'm having to guess it is mostly aluminum:) Mike C. do not archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:56:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:04 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cliff's landing gear legs Cliff-- that's a great idea I see in your photo--- the thin pieces of birch plywood at the top end of your wooden gear legs where the bolts go thru---- that wi ll help prevent splitting over time. Excellent idea. On old airplanes like Curt iss Jenny's and WWII types they often (and you'll see some modern day Piets w/ this too ) wrapped the upper end of the gear legs with twine and glue/varnished them in place to keep the wood from splitting up there. Regarding aging, I'll never forget the words of our hilarious neighbor grow ing up Mr. Johnstone. When they had an 80th birthday party for Tom I was tal king to him and he casually mentioned to me "don't worry kid, the first 80 years are the tough est". Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:34 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone Clif, That LG is just GOERGEOUS !!! Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Clif Dawson >Sent: Jul 14, 2009 12:23 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone > >Lady, you ask if this old man is safe to fly? >Just how do you think he got to be this old anyway? > >Clif > >"There is no end. There is no beginning. There is only the infinite passion >of life." ~ Frederico Fellini > >> >> Mike, >> I think the milestone is the true indicator of your flying. Your 50th >> birthday speaks for itself. >> Happy birthday and welcome to the second half. >> Mike Hardaway ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone From: "Bill Church" Tim, Are you referring to Mike's legs? Do not archive this either. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone --> Clif, That LG is just GOERGEOUS !!! Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:17 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: moth type wing tank Howdy! I was planning on doing this exact same thing! Can you please e-mail me a couple photos? davea@symbolicdisplays.com Thank You soooooo much!!!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: moth type wing tank Carson, I've built a moth type tank in my center section. There should be some shots of it posted by now at westcoastpiet.com If not, I'd be happy to email you some. Holds 16.5 US gallons. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Missing Person From: "Don Emch" Hey John! How are you? Skip is usually on this list. Maybe he'll chime in. Am I going to see you next week? Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252958#252958 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:25 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Jack, Jack Phillips wrote: > I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 > mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the > stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after Ive travelled > about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, > requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove > those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about right. Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal stabilizer? Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of your planes next week at Brodhead! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:21 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tail weight I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years later, it's still there. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Jack, Jack Phillips wrote: > I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 > mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the > stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've travelled > about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, > requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove > those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about right. Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal stabilizer? Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of your planes next week at Brodhead! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:28 AM PST US From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Hey Dan (and all the rest taking lots of pictures): Please post them somewhere or send them to me on disk and I will post them on my Google account so we can all see the education :-) Mark Mark Roberts On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > > I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years > later, it's still there. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Yocum > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > > Jack, > > Jack Phillips wrote: > >> I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up >> to 40 >> mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the >> stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've >> travelled >> about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, >> requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove >> those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about >> right. > > > Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal > stabilizer? > > Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of > your planes next week at Brodhead! > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:40 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Talked with Bill Rewey regarding Pietenpols to Oshkosh Here is the scoop if you intend to fly into Oshkosh. You are encouraged to fly in with your own handheld radio if you like-there is no requirement to meet up at Waupun to stage. If you have a handheld radio USE IT. Borrow one, bring one, just to list en to the Fisk controllers, even if you're not the leader of a gaggle Everyone should leave Brodhead with enough fuel to reach Oshkosh-there is n o fuel at Waupun. Next-and this is HUGE. The ASPHALT AT Waupun in NOT USEABLE !!!!!!!!! Only use the E-W Grass runway !!!!!!!!! Do NOT USE THE PAVEMENT. There is no gas at Waupun. Some may help meet you there with gas but be advised there is no gas at Waupun. Group leaders will get a clearance from the OSH tower via phone at Waupun a nd then proceed via the normal Fisk approach. The four or five ships behind the group leader SHOULD also have radios to l isten up-you don't need to say a word but it is advisable to listen to what is going on. Normally there is =BD mile in-trail spacing between Fisk airplanes enterin g the Ripon corridor----if you're in a Piet gaggle the spacing is MUCH CLOS ER....not formation flying but say 100, 200 yards behind the guy in front o f you. Bill said the gaggles will fly slightly offset from the RR tracks from Ripo n to Fisk so that faster traffic can pass you. (this per the Chief OSH t ower controller that Bill has spoken to about this) Whatever your leader does, you follow. If cleared to 27, you follow and l and on 27. You MUST read the NOTAM cover to cover ! You can obtain a NOTAM (they'll mail it to you) or print it out---Go here: http://www.airventure.org/flying/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:17 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust who all are coming in on airlines? Where? When? Maybe we can work out a way to meet and share rental car. I'm kinda flexible where and when to go into. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- An Excellent Credi90x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default .aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:08 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust My brother and I are flying into Chicago from SLC arriving around 8:30 pm on Thursday the 23rd. Driving to the AmericInn at Monroe that night and to Brodhead the next day. Brian SLC - UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust who all are coming in on airlines? Where? When? Maybe we can work out a way to meet and share rental car. I'm kinda flexible where and when to go into. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John ________________________________ An Excellent Credi90x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default .. aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust I'm flying into Midway, 6:25pm, Wednesday night; have rental car to drive to Beloit same evening. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust who all are coming in on airlines? Where? When? Maybe we can work out a way to meet and share rental car. I'm kinda flexible where and when to go into. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead or bust Larry, Well done! I wish it were me but unfortunately not for a few more years I suspect. Its the school buss people moving metal bird for me. Best of luck in your travels. Hers looking forward to seeing you there, safe flight John _____ An Excellent Credi90x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx ?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:59 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: easy beaded cowling edge That sounds like a great idea. I might try that on my new eyebrows. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: easy beaded cowling edge > > > Just finished my cowling (Ford) and when I sat back to admire it, really > felt the need for a nice rolled or beaded edge to give the various cutouts > that nice finished look. Not having the tooling or expertise to do a true > rolled edge, I came up with this idea. I'm sure it's not new, but it was > new to me and I'm really pleased with it. > > Get some soft 1/4" aluminum tubing from the plumbing dept at your local > hardware store. Straighten it really well and put a slice down one side > with a cutting disc in an angle grinder. Open the slice a bit with a > screwdriver and slide it over your cowling edge and > bend/shape/form/straighten until it fits perfectly. Remove, deburr it a > bit > and inject some epoxy in the slot, reinstall and crimp with a padded > channel > lock or something. > > Was surprisingly quick, cheap, light and how that it's painted, it is my > favorite part of the whole cowling. > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:25 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: lamintated spar I was wondering if anyone has taken something like (2) 3" wide pieces of sp ruce and edge glued them together to make spar material. I believe this is acceptable after reading the EAA "Wood" book. I called Mccormicks to chec k into their lumber supply and they have a lot of 1x9 material - so with 4 3/4" spars you'd need to laminate the second part or you couldn't use the r est of the board for spar. $9/board foot. I ordered (4) 16 footers for th e fuselage and tail section and nearly all of the stuff was spar quality ev en without handpicking. This place is located in Madison=2C WI - 1 hour no rth of Brodhead... Guess when I'm going to get my spars :) See you all at Brodhead! Tom B. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:21 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yesterday's Milestone Thanks Tim. I won't tell you about the time and frustrations involved! :-) Clif > Clif, > > That LG is just GOERGEOUS !!! > Tim in central TX > do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:07 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Hey Dan, Have you see tnis website? http://westcoastpiet.com/ (I know shameless plug) Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > Hey Dan (and all the rest taking lots of pictures): > > Please post them somewhere or send them to me on disk and I will post > them on my Google account so we can all see the education :-) > > Mark > > > Mark Roberts > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" > wrote: > >> > > >> >> I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years >> later, it's still there. >> >> Jack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Yocum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight >> >> >> Jack, >> >> Jack Phillips wrote: >> >>> I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 >>> mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the >>> stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've >>> travelled >>> about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, >>> requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove >>> those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about >>> right. >> >> >> Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal >> stabilizer? >> >> Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of >> your planes next week at Brodhead! >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight From: Mark Roberts It's a great site... In fact, it's a better place to post the pictures :o) In fact Chis, I surf it nightly at this point ! Mark On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > Have you see tnis website? > > http://westcoastpiet.com/ > > (I know shameless plug) > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > >> > >> >> >> Hey Dan (and all the rest taking lots of pictures): >> >> Please post them somewhere or send them to me on disk and I will post them >> on my Google account so we can all see the education :-) >> >> Mark >> >> >> Mark Roberts >> >> On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" >> wrote: >> >>> pietflyr@bellsouth.net >>> > >>> >>> I put the duct tape on the bottom, as a temporary experiment. 3 years >>> later, it's still there. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan >>> Yocum >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:16 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight >>> >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> Jack Phillips wrote: >>> >>> I found it difficult to get the tail up on takeoff until I got up to 40 >>>> mph, so I added a strip of duct tape to seal the gap between the >>>> stabilizer and elevators. Now I can raise the tail after I've travelled >>>> about 100 feet. The gap seal also affected trim in level flight, >>>> requiring more nose up trim than it used to. I could probably remove >>>> those washers and take the incidence out and it would be just about >>>> right. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Did you apply the duct tape to the top or the bottom of horizontal >>> stabilizer? >>> >>> Boy, I'm really looking forward to taking a ton of pictures of all of >>> your planes next week at Brodhead! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dan >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:37 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: For sale in Vancouver This turned up localy. 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