---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/15/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: For sale in Vancouver (Jeff Boatright) 3. 05:11 AM - Re: For sale in Vancouver (Bill Church) 4. 05:50 AM - for sale in Vancouver (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 06:04 AM - Re: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers (Pieti Lowell) 6. 06:09 AM - Re: For sale in Vancouver (TOM STINEMETZE) 7. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 07:11 AM - oshkosh arrival times (Richard Schreiber) 9. 08:39 AM - Airport Closure (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 10. 09:12 AM - Re: For sale in Vancouver (Ozarkflyer) 11. 09:16 AM - Re: tail weight (Dan Yocum) 12. 11:20 AM - N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track (Dan Yocum) 13. 11:35 AM - Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track (Ben Charvet) 14. 12:48 PM - Re: tail weight (Gene & Tammy) 15. 01:43 PM - Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track (Jeff Boatright) 16. 02:20 PM - Re: tail weight (Dan Yocum) 17. 07:46 PM - Re: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track (Gene & Tammy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:31 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers All-we have had a GREAT response for this Doc Mosher/EAA/Joe Norris request to fly a variety of Pietenpols powered by different engines during the Showcase event for Piete npols on Wednesday of the EAA convention. We have yet to confirm a CORVAIR powered Pietenpol though. So far we hav e: Continental, Ford, Rotec, and Lambert powered Piets willing to participate. We may have two FORDS even. We may toss in one more token Continental powered Piet if we can't find a Corvair Piet availab le to fly since they want about 5 planes in the fly-by pattern. Thank you all for your offline responses ! Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:06 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For sale in Vancouver $25,000???? Twenty-five THOUSAND dollars for a Piet fuselage, tail, and ribs? I guess the economy really is picking up... > >This turned up localy. I didn't even know of it's existance! > >http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/for/1267766572.html -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For sale in Vancouver From: "Bill Church" WOW! A 60% complete Pietenpol airframe (looks like just the woodwork), with no engine or undercarriage for only $25,000!!! I assume that was a typo, and there's an extra zero added on to the end of the price. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: For sale in Vancouver --> This turned up localy. I didn't even know of it's existance! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/for/1267766572.html ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:32 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: for sale in Vancouver $25=2C000??? He's got to be kidding. Must be made from pieces of Noah's o riginal ark or something. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers From: "Pieti Lowell" Mike, Could you use a fuel injected B Ford, in the line-up ? ? Pieti Lowell Mike C. in Ohio > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253111#253111 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:14 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For sale in Vancouver $25,000 seems a bit steep for an unfinished 'Camper with no engine! Stinemetze >>> "Clif Dawson" 7/15/2009 12:52 AM >>> This turned up localy. I didn't even know of it's existance! http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/for/1267766572.html ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:38 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Homebuilt Review-- Featuring Pietenpol Air Campers Lowell--- Sounds good ! We'll coordinate with Doc Mosher and Joe Norris from EAA once we are on the ground at OSH. Joe was worried we would not have any Fords-- now we might have more than he wants but you know-- better that way than not to have enough volunteers ! Mike Cuy ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:58 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: oshkosh arrival times Does anyone know what the scheduled group arrival time is for Oshkosh on Sunday? I plan on flying into Brodhead on Friday morning with my Tri Pacer. I will be leaving at dawn on Sunday for RVY, Watertown WI, where I will link up with a 30 plane short wing piper group. We will then leave RVY for a planned 8:15 arrival at Oshkosh. I would like to see the Pietenpol arrivals if I get there first. I should have extra room. so if anyone needs stuff hauled to Oshkosh just let me know. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN N5936D ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airport Closure From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com All, not sure if this will effect anyone, but for those of you that will be passing through the great state of Iowa, the Iowa City Airport will be closed for the entire month of August for resurfacing. so don't plan on stopping there for fuel on your return from Oshkosh. Jake ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For sale in Vancouver From: "Ozarkflyer" That's like your girlfriend telling you that she's a bit pregnant. [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253153#253153 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:20 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > Have you see tnis website? > > http://westcoastpiet.com/ > > (I know shameless plug) Hi Chris, Yes. I am addicted to westcoastpiet. But, I can stop at any time. Sure, sure, that's it, anytime . *grin* So, the current owner of N8031 pointed me to some recent picts of the plane and I've discovered that there are some... oddities which I will be looking at correcting over the years to come. For instance, moving the wing back is not going to be straight forward at all - the strut attach points aren't constructed like they are on, say, Don Emch's Piet (http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_150.JPG). Where Don has that insert bolted to the stut which can allow for some pivoting back and forth, N8031's struts are welded and there's no pivoting allowed (booo!). The diagonal cabanes are, again, welded to the forward cabanes. Argh! I'll probably just buy pristine aerodynamic tubing and build new struts. That's a project for the future. And there are no gap seals on the horizontal/elevator and vertical/rudder which doesn't help with the amount of down elevator required to fly level. Gap seals are easy, as Jack has mentioned - "temporary" duct tape should do the trick. That one's easy and I'll do it right away. All of these things are OK with me - the plane flies and that's what I'm interested in right now. I'll be looking at all of your planes next Friday to see how you approached these solution. See you then, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:21 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:23 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track I've really enjoyed my Spot. Looks like Tres if flying IFR, following the interstate system. Ben Dan Yocum wrote: > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. > > Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San > Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging > their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: > > http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql > > > Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! > > Cheers, > Dan > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:16 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Dan, to me a much nicer looking approach to gap seals is to use vinyl. The type of vinyl used by sign shops to make signs out of. Many types of colors. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight > > catdesigns@att.net wrote: >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> Have you see tnis website? >> >> http://westcoastpiet.com/ >> >> (I know shameless plug) > > Hi Chris, > > Yes. I am addicted to westcoastpiet. But, I can stop at any time. > Sure, sure, that's it, anytime . *grin* > > So, the current owner of N8031 pointed me to some recent picts of the > plane and I've discovered that there are some... oddities which I will > be looking at correcting over the years to come. > > For instance, moving the wing back is not going to be straight forward > at all - the strut attach points aren't constructed like they are on, > say, Don Emch's Piet > (http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_150.JPG). > Where Don has that insert bolted to the stut which can allow for some > pivoting back and forth, N8031's struts are welded and there's no > pivoting allowed (booo!). The diagonal cabanes are, again, welded to > the forward cabanes. Argh! I'll probably just buy pristine aerodynamic > tubing and build new struts. That's a project for the future. > > And there are no gap seals on the horizontal/elevator and > vertical/rudder which doesn't help with the amount of down elevator > required to fly level. Gap seals are easy, as Jack has mentioned - > "temporary" duct tape should do the trick. That one's easy and I'll do > it right away. > > All of these things are OK with me - the plane flies and that's what I'm > interested in right now. > > I'll be looking at all of your planes next Friday to see how you > approached these solution. > > See you then, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:07:00 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:04 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track The Spot tracker shows them at Thermal right now. I am surprised that they didn't land at Bermuda Dunes, instead. Unless they backtrack, they won't be overflying US 10 through the mountains and then throught the desert. Maybe they detoured to get a gander at the Salton Sea? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:15 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail weight Gene & Tammy wrote: > Dan, to me a much nicer looking approach to gap seals is to use vinyl. > The type of vinyl used by sign shops to make signs out of. Many types > of colors. Oh, that's a great idea - I didn't even think about sign shops. They probably have really wide tape, too. I'm also a glider pilot (well, I'm putting that on hold when the Piet arrives) and sealing all the gaps is one of the rituals of putting the glass ships together. Of course, the gaps are quite a bit smaller on gliders. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:08 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track Dan, when you meet up with Tres would you ask him where he mounted his SPOT? Thanks Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N8031: SBP -> OSH Spot track > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I think it's pretty cool. > > Tres Clements is flying his (soon-to-be mine) Pietenpol N8031 from San > Luis Obispo to OSH. He and a friend left yesterday and are winging > their way eastward. Here's the Spot track of the route they're taking: > > http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0XeQYjmJLJJpESJ4WgdjS2W9eSMQUx0Ql > > Me, I'm just plain tickled pink to see it finally on it's way! > > Cheers, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. 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