---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/28/09: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - More Video from Brodhead...Piets Taxiing, etc. (Jim Markle) 2. 05:46 AM - Orange and blue corvair powered Piet at Brodhead (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 3. 06:19 AM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (hvandervoo@aol.com) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (Gary Boothe) 5. 06:42 AM - Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? (Pieti Lowell) 6. 07:43 AM - Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? (TOM STINEMETZE) 7. 08:16 AM - Thanks (Lagowski Morrow) 8. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? (Gary Boothe) 9. 09:19 AM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (hvandervoo@aol.com) 10. 09:28 AM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (Gary Boothe) 11. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? (Ryan Mueller) 12. 10:16 AM - Re: Orange and blue corvair powered Piet at Brodhead (Ryan Mueller) 13. 10:40 AM - Re: Flying Piets in CA??yes (Mark Roberts) 14. 10:51 AM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (hvandervoo@aol.com) 15. 11:11 AM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (Gary Boothe) 16. 12:10 PM - Re: A question for Hans van der Voort (hvandervoo@aol.com) 17. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? (TOM STINEMETZE) 18. 02:41 PM - Re: scout fuselage (Will42) 19. 03:49 PM - Rib jig (Michael McGowan) 20. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: scout fuselage (VAHOWDY@aol.com) 21. 07:42 PM - Re: Rib jig (K5YAC) 22. 09:42 PM - Re: Flying Piets in CA?great (jorge lizarraga) 23. 10:13 PM - Re: Flying Piets in CA?great (Mark Roberts) 24. 11:40 PM - Re: Re: scout fuselage (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:30 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Video from Brodhead...Piets Taxiing, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT4B0hp314Q ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:13 AM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: Orange and blue corvair powered Piet at Brodhead I believe the orange and blue corvair powered Piet belonged to Gary Bell?? ? Great airplane. I'm wondering how the intake was plumbed - it looked li ke it was over the top of the engine - must have had a catch pan for floodi ng of carb? Which carb was used? I liked the simple installation. Tom B. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort From: hvandervoo@aol.com John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done in the future, I simply do not have enough vacation days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, ? What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair installation been working? ? I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime.? I look forward to seeing it in person. ? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:09 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, Have you run that engine / carb setup yet? I definitely like the price!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done in the future, I simply do not have enough vacation days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair installation been working? I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime. I look forward to seeing it in person. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? From: "Pieti Lowell" Hi Guys, Don't blame the 612, the 20 deg crab to West for the full 2/3 length of 36L at 12" off the deck, touching a couple times only to give the Piets behind me more room. I planted the left wheel hard on the big red circle, on the center of the run way, when GOD sent that blast from the WEST & MY RIGHT WHEEL WAS sent 12" from the edge of the runway, That entire width has got to be close to 300 or 200 feet wide, My forward distance from the red spot was 100 Ft and to the East 100 Ft. The 612 took a 4 G stress and only just nicked the tip. The prop took most of the impact. Can some person please tell me why Ken Perkins new tail wheel that I just installed showed a slight bend in the downward direction after this show stopper. If the tail was hit hard it should have a bend upward. Thanks all for your kind considerations, All joints still work and not one sore spot this morning. And thank you for those that attended my Form, will do better next time. Pieti Lowell Update at 11:43am... just saw the pientenpol being towed by the tail off the runway. 36L should reopen soon. Hmmm.... did the tailwheel collapse, instead of the main? Mains looked fine on the webcam.[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254989#254989 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:51 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? >>> "Pieti Lowell" 7/28/2009 8:40 AM >>> m> Can some person please tell me why Ken Perkins new tail wheel that I just installed showed a slight bend in the downward direction after this show stopper. If the tail was hit hard it should have a bend upward. Pieti: Attached is a photo of my Ken Perkins tailwheel assembly. If the attachment is not there the same photo is available on my build site at: http://www.eaa1344.com/images/Stinemetze/Gear/Tailwheel.jpg It appears that a hard hit might totally compress the spring before the steering assembly bottomed out on the fuselage. If so, then continued pressure from the wheel would cause the frame to kink up causing the back end of the assembly to bend down. Does that sound plausible? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:56 AM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Thanks to you all for your Brodhead reports and videos. Much appreciated. I missed the event between N.W. Michigan and Lake Michigan weather and my wife's medical situation. --Jim Lagowski ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? Sounds plausible. There may be some evidence on the fuselage of the steering mech bottoming out. That would take a pretty hard hit to bend the struts. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? >>> "Pieti Lowell" 7/28/2009 8:40 AM >>> Can some person please tell me why Ken Perkins new tail wheel that I just installed showed a slight bend in the downward direction after this show stopper. If the tail was hit hard it should have a bend upward. Pieti: Attached is a photo of my Ken Perkins tailwheel assembly. If the attachment is not there the same photo is available on my build site at: http://www.eaa1344.com/images/Stinemetze/Gear/Tailwheel.jpg It appears that a hard hit might totally compress the spring before the steering assembly bottomed out on the fuselage. If so, then continued pressure from the wheel would cause the frame to kink up causing the back end of the assembly to bend down. Does that sound plausible? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort From: hvandervoo@aol.com Gary, Been flying it since August of '05 Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:28 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- Have you run that engine / carb setup yet? I definitely like the price!! =C2- Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear (13 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort =C2- John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42 .. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done in the future, I simply do not have enough vacation days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair inst allation been working? =C2- I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime.=C2- I look forward to seeing it in person. =C2- John Fay in Peoria =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:18 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, Guess I'm a little behind the power curve.. What can you say about carb ice with the Zenith? Gary _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Gary, Been flying it since August of '05 Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:28 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, Have you run that engine / carb setup yet? I definitely like the price!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done=2 0in the future, I simply do not have enough vacation days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay < jfay1950@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair installation been working? I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime. I look forward to seeing it in person. John Fay in Peoria http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== 0List Contribution Web Site - _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:42 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet issue at Wittman Field???? Tom, I can't seem to find my parts/price list from Ken Perkins. Do you happen to still have his mailing address, and the price for the tailwheel assy? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my IPhone On Jul 28, 2009, at 9:14 AM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote: > >>> "Pieti Lowell" 7/28/2009 8:40 AM >>> > > > > Can some person please tell me why Ken Perkins new tail wheel that I > just installed showed a slight bend in the downward direction after > this show stopper. If the tail was hit hard it should have a bend > upward. > Pieti: > > Attached is a photo of my Ken Perkins tailwheel assembly. If the > attachment is not there the same photo is available on my build site > at: http://www.eaa1344.com/images/Stinemetze/Gear/Tailwheel.jpg It > appears that a hard hit might totally compress the spring before the > steering assembly bottomed out on the fuselage. If so, then > continued pressure from the wheel would cause the frame to kink up > causing the back end of the assembly to bend down. Does that sound > plausible? > > Tom Stinemetze > McPherson, KS. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Orange and blue corvair powered Piet at Brodhead From: Ryan Mueller Tom That is indeed Gary and Shad's Piet. Here is a shot of the engine from Brodhead '08 that shows the intake: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Bell/Brodhead2008_045.JPG The carb is at the bottom of the engine. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's an aircraft carb; most likely either a Stromberg NAS3 or a Marvel MA3-SPA. The intake is based off of the Pietenpol designed intake. Again, if my memory serves me correctly, they had a Vi Kapler built Pietenpol 'oil bath' style intake on it originally, but had issues with some joints failing (brazed, not welded). That led to the fabrication of a new intake without the 'oil bath', which would be the one you see in the pic. Ryan On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:44 AM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > I believe the orange and blue corvair powered Piet belonged to Gary > Bell??? Great airplane. I'm wondering how the intake was plumbed - it > looked like it was over the top of the engine - must have had a catch pan > for flooding of carb? Which carb was used? I liked the simple > installation. > > > Tom B. > > ** > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA??yes From: Mark Roberts Thank you Jorge!! I will drop George an email... I plan to attend the Sacramento gathering, and hope to meet you there! Perhaps George can make it as well... I am occasionally in Hanford, so perhaps I can meet you sometime and see your Piet too! Mark On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM, jorge lizarraga wrote: > > hi IM Jorge livin in hanfor and build one piet another person in tulery > build to but george benson have a old flyable piet in wood lake and senyou > his mail to ba.flyer@hotmail.com... > --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Mark Roberts * wrote:you have > one fly or building one to tanks for you note > > > From: Mark Roberts > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA?? > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 11:45 AM > > Hey guys: > I'd like to see if I can connect with any flying Piets in California... I'm > in the central part of the state (Fresno) and looking to see if there is > anything flying close enough to drive to... > > Thanks! > > Mark > > * > > " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com > blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort From: hvandervoo@aol.com Gary, Like any carb you can get carb ice, just use carb heat when needed. I have been lucky sofar and have not experienced carb ice with this setup. Despite flying in the often humid area around Houston. BR Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- Guess I=99m a little behind the power curve. =C2- What can you say about carb ice with the Zenith? =C2- Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort =C2- Gary, Been flying it since August of '05 Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:28 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- Have you run that engine / carb setup yet? I definitely like the price!! =C2- Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear (13 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:18 AM pol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort =C2- John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42 .. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done=2 0in the future, I simply do not have enough vaca tion days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair inst allation been working? =C2- I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime.=C2- I look forward to seeing it in person. =C2- John Fay in Peoria =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2- ======================== =========== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======================== =========== tp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== 0List Contribution Web Site - _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ==== ====== =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:36 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Thanks for the input, Hans. I'm sold! Do you have any installation recommendations? One further question: Is that a WW Corvair? Gary _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Gary, Like any carb you can get carb ice, just use carb heat when needed. I have been lucky sofar and have not experienced carb ice with this setup. Despite flying in the often humid area around Houston. BR Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, Guess I'm a little behind the power curve.. What can you say about carb ice with the Zenith? Gary _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Gary, Been flying it since August of '05 Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:28 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, Have you run that engine / carb setup yet? I definitely like the price!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, Ju ly 28, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done=2 0in the future, I simply do not have enough vacation days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair installation been working? I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime. I look forward to seeing it in person. John Fay in Peoria < /div> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== 0List Contribution Web Site - _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== vailable via the Web Forums! tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort From: hvandervoo@aol.com Gary, It is installed just like the WW installs his Carbs I used WW's manual and parts when making this a Flight engine Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Thanks for the input, Hans. I=99m sold! Do you have any installation recommendations? =C2- One further question:=C2- Is that a WW Corvair? =C2- Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort =C2- Gary, Like any carb you can get carb ice, just use carb heat when needed. I have been lucky sofar and have not experienced carb ice with this setup. Despite flying in the often humid area around Houston. BR Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- Guess I=99m a little behind the power curve. =C2- What can you say about carb ice with the Zenith? =C2- Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:1 4 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort =C2- Gary, Been flying it since August of '05 Hans -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:28 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- Have you run that engine / carb setup yet? I definitely like the price!! =C2- Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear (13 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, Ju ly 28, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort =C2- John, I use a Zenith carburetor, model 1821 in the Great Plains Catalog, page 42 .. Corvair installation is doing great. Brodhead will be done=2 0in the future, I simply do not have enough vaca tion days to do the trip. best regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Hans van der Voort Hans, =C2- What carbureter do you have on your Corvair, and how has your Corvair20ins tallation been working? =C2- I hope you'll be able to get your plane to Brodhead sometime.=C2- I look forward to seeing it in person. =C2- John Fay in Peoria =C2- =C2- =C2- < /div> =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com =C2- =C2- =C2- ======================== =========== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======================== =========== tp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== 0List Contribution Web Site - _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =C2- =C2- =C2- ======================== =========== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======================== =========== vailable via the Web Forums! 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Ryan: When I get home this evening I will look it up and e-mail you. Tom >>> Ryan Mueller 7/28/2009 11:44 AM >>> Tom, I can't seem to find my parts/price list from Ken Perkins. Do you happen to still have his mailing address, and the price for the tailwheel assy? Ryan Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: scout fuselage From: "Will42" [quote="ciuro"]Go by the over all length. So where would you add the six inches????????????? I added all the station dimensions to see what matched. Everything except the very bottom/last layout added up to the 147 3/4" ; the one drawing showing the plywood bottom adds up to 147 3/4" on the top figures and 153 3/4" on the bottom figures. I don't see how you could go anyway except the station dimensions; otherwise the design stresses would all be off. Don't think that this is a rare case of mistake; aircraft drawings/blueprints are full of them, even the type certified (Piper comes to mind). Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255030#255030 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:29 PM PST US From: "Michael McGowan" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib jig Well it's finaly time for me to start building so first job is make a rib jig, but I am confused. Bernie's plans don't show vertical members either side of the spars but most of the rib pictures I've seen have vertical members both sides of both spars. And without these vertical members I don't see much attachment area for the rib to spar joint. And speaking of spars the plans call for a routed 1 inch spars but I've heard talk of unrouted 3/4 inch spars and I've seen pictures of built up spars but I've never seen any plans. And if you route the spars that means the ribs only glue to the spar at the top and bottom and not along the whole face. So I am confused and would welcome any enlightenment. Starting Model A powered long fuselage one piece wing. Pilot 6 foot tall and 220 pounds so I need to keep the airplane light. Some how it's easier to reduce weight on the airframe than on the pilot. Thanks Mike McGowan Hallsville, Missouri shadetree@socket.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:44 PM PST US From: VAHOWDY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: scout fuselage Thanks Wil, I did go with each bay(station) dimensions. The side went together smoothly and everything fit. If I was to space out the 6" It would have changed the seat back and bulkhead dimensions. As it is,a tape line shows me they will fit fine. I had the day off and got a lot done. It's fun to be building. I was letting the problem of not having the lumber stop me. I went to the local lumber yard and sorted thru the spruce. The long (18/20 feet) 2X10 was the clearest material they had. I got it home and studied the best way rip it. I have a surface planner, so with a little work, was able to get my aircraft grade spruce. It's not hard to watch grain and run out. Now if I just had a hamster to use up all the shavings I made. Howdy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! =JulystepsfooterNO115) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib jig From: "K5YAC" Mike: I'm no expert as I am currently working on my wings too, but I can tell you some of what has been passed on to me through this forum. On the additional uprights, they are not necessary, but many have chose to add these in order to have more surface area in contact with the spar. I added them as they just seem like a good idea with minimal weight gain. As for the spar options... several have used a 1" spar, others a 3/4". Some choose to route their material for weight savings (I think that is the only reason), others do not. I am using a 3/4" spruce spar, non-routed, as many have told me that this option is very strong and plenty light. Perhaps some are using a heavier wood that choose to route, or maybe a thicker piece of wood that is not as strong as other types that can be cut thinner? I'm not real sure of the advantages of a built up spar without taking another look at that chapter... surely someone will explain. I am a relative beginner, so I'm certain someone will come along with additional information. I just saw your post and wanted to reply with something since many from the group are off looking at airplanes this week. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255065#255065 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:21 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA?great sound exelente im building one now and for now my best days for off work is whekends and some a wile before dark bur when you are aroun please telmy a few days before all weis chec my mails before to bed tanks again jorge from hanford --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Mark Roberts wrote: From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA??yes Thank you Jorge!! I will drop George an email... I plan to attend the Sacramento gathering, a nd hope to meet you there! -Perhaps George can make it as well... I am occasionally in Hanford, so perhaps I can meet you sometime and see yo ur Piet too! Mark On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM, jorge lizarraga wr ote: hi IM Jorge livin in hanfor and build one piet another person in tulery bui ld to but george benson have a old flyable piet in wood lake and senyou his mail to- ba.flyer@hotmail.com... --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Mark Roberts wrote:you have on e fly or building one to tanks for you note From: Mark Roberts Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA?? Hey guys: I'd like to see if I can connect with any flying Piets in California... I'm in the central part of the state (Fresno) and looking to see if there is a nything flying close enough to drive to... Thanks! Mark " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA?great From: Mark Roberts I will be gone for a few days on vacation... Perhaps in a couple of weeks I will be down in the hanford area. Thank you for getting back to me! Mark On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, jorge lizarraga wrote: > sound exelente im building one now and for now my best days for off work is > whekends and some a wile before dark bur when you are aroun please telmy > afew days before all weis chec my mails before to bed tanks again jorge from > hanford > > --- On *Tue, 7/28/09, Mark Roberts * wrote: > > > From: Mark Roberts > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA??yes > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:39 AM > > Thank you Jorge!! > I will drop George an email... I plan to attend the Sacramento gathering, > and hope to meet you there! Perhaps George can make it as well... > > I am occasionally in Hanford, so perhaps I can meet you sometime and see > your Piet too! > > Mark > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM, jorge lizarraga > > wrote: > >> >> hi IM Jorge livin in hanfor and build one piet another person in tulery >> build to but george benson have a old flyable piet in wood lake and senyou >> his mail to ba.flyer@hotmail.com >> ... >> --- On *Mon, 7/27/09, Mark Roberts >> >* wrote:you have one fly or building one to tanks for you note >> >> >> From: Mark Roberts >> > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA?? >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 11:45 AM >> >> Hey guys: >> I'd like to see if I can connect with any flying Piets in California... >> I'm in the central part of the state (Fresno) and looking to see if there is >> anything flying close enough to drive to... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Mark >> >> * >> >> " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com >> blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> a>http://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com > blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:27 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: scout fuselage "design stresses"? The piet birds were not "designed" by engineers running calculations. They were built by a man who wanted an airplane that wouldn't cost him an arm and a leg to fly. Both AC are built like brick you-know-whats. any differences in the end points of the cross bracing by going with the longer fuselage length and stretching out the bays a couple of inches would be unnoticeable. On the other hand 6" difference might be aerodynamicaly noticeable. I would have gone with the overall length. My fuse is 6" longer than plans short fuselage. All of that behind the pilot's seat. Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: scout fuselage > > [quote="ciuro"]Go by the over all length. > > So where would you add the six inches????????????? > > I don't see how you could go anyway except the station dimensions; > otherwise the design stresses would all be off. > > Don't think that this is a rare case of mistake; aircraft > drawings/blueprints are full of them, even the type certified (Piper comes > to mind). > > Will ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.