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1. 01:15 AM - Hinges (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Hinges (Dave Abramson)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Hinges (Gary Boothe)
4. 07:06 AM - Re: Hinges (Dave Abramson)
5. 07:44 AM - Videos of several Brodhead arrivals, etc. (Jeff Boatright)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: T-88 and elevated temps (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: T-88 and elevated temps (K5YAC)
8. 10:55 AM - More progress and pictures (Michael Perez)
9. 11:13 AM - Perkins forum recorded? (helspersew@aol.com)
10. 12:32 PM - Re: More progress and pictures (K5YAC)
11. 01:17 PM - T-88 and elevated temps (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 01:50 PM - Re: T-88 and elevated temps (Gene & Tammy)
13. 02:18 PM - Prop Thoughts (Lagowski Morrow)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Ghost Town (Dan Yocum)
15. 02:45 PM - A65 to A75 swap (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 02:46 PM - Re: T-88 and elevated temps (Jim Markle)
17. 02:47 PM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Jeff Boatright)
18. 02:52 PM - Re: Ghost Town (John Hofmann)
19. 03:08 PM - B'head 09 Departure videos (Jeff Boatright)
20. 03:44 PM - Prop Thoughts (Oscar Zuniga)
21. 04:21 PM - Side by Side Air Camper (K5YAC)
22. 04:45 PM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Gene & Tammy)
23. 04:49 PM - Jay Anderson Prop 76X38 (Gene & Tammy)
24. 04:52 PM - Re: Side by Side Air Camper (Bill Church)
25. 05:13 PM - Re: Videos of several Brodhead arrivals, etc. (airlion@bellsouth.net)
26. 05:54 PM - Re: Side by Side Air Camper (Ryan Mueller)
27. 05:54 PM - Re: Side by Side Air Camper (Ryan Mueller)
28. 06:18 PM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Jeff Boatright)
29. 06:19 PM - Re: Side by Side Air Camper (Michael Silvius)
30. 06:25 PM - Re: Side by Side Air Camper (K5YAC)
31. 06:25 PM - Re: Videos of several Brodhead arrivals, etc. (Jeff Boatright)
32. 06:25 PM - Re: Jay Anderson Prop 76X38 (K5YAC)
33. 07:18 PM - Fw: Hinges (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
34. 08:21 PM - What a blast!! C37, OSH, OH71 (shad bell)
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The person you want to talk to that was with PF Beck at Brodhead was Don
Harper.Cell # 1-803-671-2983..
His hinges are machined from solid stock and very high quality.He also has
a oil separator that is very nice
at a good price. I bought a set of light weight disk brake calipers that
PF says works great.
e-mail address- _Don_Harper@markivauto.com_
(mailto:Don_Harper@markivauto.com)
Ted Stone
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Hey Ted!
What Calipers are those? I am nearing that stage.....
Cheers,
Dave
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:56 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
The person you want to talk to that was with PF Beck at Brodhead was Don
Harper.Cell # 1-803-671-2983..
His hinges are machined from solid stock and very high quality.He also has
a oil separator that is very nice
at a good price. I bought a set of light weight disk brake calipers that
PF says works great.
e-mail address- Don_Harper@markivauto.com
Ted Stone
bldg corvair powered Piet
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Dave,
Ted will know best, since he bought the calipers, but PF was saying that he
made his brakes from golf cart or go-kart brakes with discarded skill saw
blades as the disc!! What a great idea!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:08 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
Hey Ted!
What Calipers are those? I am nearing that stage.....
Cheers,
Dave
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
The person you want to talk to that was with PF Beck at Brodhead was Don
Harper.Cell # 1-803-671-2983..
His hinges are machined from solid stock and very high quality.He also has a
oil separator that is very nice
at a good price. I bought a set of light weight disk brake calipers that PF
says works great.
e-mail address- Don_Harper@markivauto.com
Ted Stone
bldg corvair powered Piet
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Talk about a thrifty builder!!!!
Thanks!
Dave
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:29 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
Dave,
Ted will know best, since he bought the calipers, but PF was saying that
he made his brakes from golf cart or go-kart brakes with discarded skill saw
blades as the disc!! What a great idea!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:08 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
Hey Ted!
What Calipers are those? I am nearing that stage.....
Cheers,
Dave
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:56 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
The person you want to talk to that was with PF Beck at Brodhead was Don
Harper.Cell # 1-803-671-2983..
His hinges are machined from solid stock and very high quality.He also
has a oil separator that is very nice
at a good price. I bought a set of light weight disk brake calipers that
PF says works great.
e-mail address- Don_Harper@markivauto.com
Ted Stone
bldg corvair powered Piet
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| Subject: | Videos of several Brodhead arrivals, etc. |
Here are the rest of my videos from the second day (Saturday) of
Brodhead 2009. The day started a bit slow (see previous videos).
However, as you'll see, things got pretty busy. The crosswind got
gustier and gustier, but the planes kept coming!
Brodhead09 Day2a4 Dick Navratil.mov
Dick Navratil takes up the next vict--I mean--passenger... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOJg39hbZbk
Brodhead09 Day2a5 Ken Perkins.mov
Ken (or someone in his plane) takes up another passenger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edq2kiurTQY
Brodhead09 Day2a6 Larry Wms.mov
Larry Williams arrives at Brodhead 2009!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXRg2H5u6J8
Brodhead09 Day2a7 Don Emch.mov
Don Emch arrives at Brodhead 2009!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C54Nkp69u7Q
Brodhead09 Day2a8 Frank Pavliga.mov
Frank Pavliga arrives at Brodhead 2009 with a steady hand in a tough crosswind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJ4WnFKp1k
Brodhead09 Day2a9 Hammond & Alkire.mov
Jim Hammond and Dick Alkire arrive at Brodhead 2009 in Dick's Aeronca
L-3. Afterwards a WACO DSO with a different type of "Model A" engine
takes off (Hispano-Suiza, Model A engine). Bonus points for anyone
who can tell us Dick's "official" title...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL4Yv5_XwrQ
Brodhead09 Day2a10 Navratil hi-spd pass.mov
Dick Navratil screams through the pattern in a high-speed pass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YIAaRBHQw
Brodhead09 Day2a11 UL.mov
Ultralight lands in high and variable crosswind at Brodhead 2009.
Braver than Dick Tracy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEc1NddLI54
Brodhead09 Day2a12 Traffic Jam!.mov
Things really started to get hopping at this point. All kinds of
interesting planes arriving, plus a lot of Piet people started
hopping rides. Among others, you'll see Ken Perkins, Jack Phillips,
Skipp Gadd arrives, Dick Navrati, a WACO DFS (which I misidentified
as a Travel Air), a Hatz, and a Cabin WACO that waits & waits & waits
to take-off during a constant stream of arrivals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFXw7ARl3dw
Brodhead09 Day2a13 Pig Pit.mov
Looking around the "Pig Pit," the place of honor for Piets up by the
original hangars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i91hMOmt_jE
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| Subject: | Re: T-88 and elevated temps |
yeah=2C it just truns rather runny at real high temps. I did my turtledeck
in my garage on a 100 deg. (or so) day and all worked ok=2C but the stuff
was pretty runny. Just something to be aware of.
Tom B.
From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 and elevated temps
Can be used up to 150 deg! Glad to hear
that as temps have been bumping between 95 and 100 for weeks=85
Thanks=2C Ryan!
Gary Boothe
Cool=2C Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail
done=2C Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down=85)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Muelle
r
Sent: Thursday=2C July 30=2C 2009 5:50
AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:
T-88 and elevated temps
Mark=2C
Here is a link to the technical data sheet (different from the MSDS) for T-
88
from System Three's website. It contains most all of the "practical
application' data about the product. HTH=2C
http://www.systemthree.com/members/tds/T-88_TDS.pdf
Ryan
On Wed=2C Jul 29=2C 2009 at 10:44 PM=2C K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Good stuff.
All I found today when I was searching was MSDS info=2C which does not cont
ain
storage info.
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: T-88 and elevated temps |
Oh yeah, it is definitely runny at or around 100F. I actually like it that way...
it is think enough to apply a good layer, but I think the thinner mix probably
absorbs into the wood a little better. All the joints I've made from 65F
to 100F seem to be fine. My main concern was the life span of the stuff as it
sits out on my workbench in a 120F hangar. From what I read, it should be fine
for quite a while.
I was at the airport for a bit last night and the two compounds seemed to be just
fine. Thin, but no visual change.
Oh, as far as properly mixing equal mixes of runny epoxy... that is tough. I use
Jim Markle's mixing chart by weight... works great.
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Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255368#255368
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| Subject: | More progress and pictures |
So here a just a few pictures:
-
In no particular order, this is how I laid out my tail pieces. I used my ca
binet tops and laid out the dimensions using masking tape and a pen. (from
one corner of the top as a reference.)- I would then shim any tapered par
ts as needed to maintain a flat plane across the entire piece.- There is
a close up of how the tapers look from the side;- I pretty much made all
the tail pieces in this same way. -(No jig building required.)
-
The other item I forgot to mention in my 1 year progress report was getting
about 90% of the center section done as well. (Pic. included.)
-
On the picture where I just have the perimeter of the horizontal stabilizer
, you may just be able to make out some slits on the side of the long piece
held by the clamps. I am using piano hinge imbeded into the wood, the only
thing visable once assembled will be the hing knuckle. A complete walkthro
ugh will be included either in my TAIL DVD or a seperate HARDWARE DVD. (sin
ce there is a thread here on hinges, I thought I would mention how I am doi
ng mine.
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| Subject: | Perkins forum recorded? |
Hi Guys,
Did anyone record the Ford A forum at Brodhead given by Ken Perkins?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: More progress and pictures |
Awesome looking work! I really like the center section.
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | T-88 and elevated temps |
Mark wrote-
>I use Jim Markle's mixing chart by weight... works great.
Markle has a mixing method by weight? Does it say, "add
hardener until the weight of epoxy equals the weight of
the beer in the mug on the other end of the scale"?
Poor Jim... his reputation is growing without his having to
lift a finger, or much of anything else ;o) Good thing
he's a good sport. Or at least I hope he is ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
now A75 powered
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: T-88 and elevated temps |
Oscar, How about a report on your 75, verses your old 65??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and elevated temps
>
>
> Mark wrote-
>
>>I use Jim Markle's mixing chart by weight... works great.
>
> Markle has a mixing method by weight? Does it say, "add
> hardener until the weight of epoxy equals the weight of
> the beer in the mug on the other end of the scale"?
>
> Poor Jim... his reputation is growing without his having to
> lift a finger, or much of anything else ;o) Good thing
> he's a good sport. Or at least I hope he is ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> now A75 powered
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> do not archive
>
>
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I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome recommendations
on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The one I have been
using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65 Continental. With the
borrowed prop the most I could get out of the engine was~2150 rpm. I'm
more interested in climbing than cruise speed. I would also be
interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
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Stan,
There are a couple of fly-in's at Brodhead every year - the Pietenpol
reunion, of course, and the MAAC Grassroots fly-in.
As an aside, does anyone have the information on when the Grassroots
fly-in is and where do I send my check to join MAAC? Since I'll
actually have a Pietenpol to fly there in September I'd love to attend.
Russel already sent the link to http://antiqueairfield.com in
Blakesburg, IA. They have an annual fly-in which I haven't attended but
have heard good things about.
There's a Stearman convention in Galesburg, IL every September:
http://www.stearmanflyin.com.
Old Rhinebeck is here: http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/
A couple other places of particular note:
Lee Bottom in Ohio has a monthly "Sinful Sunday" event and an annual
Wood, Fabric & Tailwheels fly-in:
http://www.leebottom.com/event_schedule.htm
There are couple of Waco fly-in - one in Waco Texas and another in Ohio:
http://www.wacoairmuseum.org/fly_in.htm
Cheers,
Dan
Stan Jewula wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This was my first year to Brodhead - totally awesome. My son and dad
> went with me. It reminded dad of when he flew out of Palwaukee in the
> 50's. You mentioned other fly-ins - Brodhead, Galesburg, Blakesburg,
> Old Rhinebeck - Does anyone have any information on them?
>
> I was able to join the BPA - Now all I need to do is order the plans :-)
>
> Stan Jewula
> stanley1968@sbcglobal.net <mailto:stanley1968@sbcglobal.net>
> 317-691-4060
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Gene; I have yet to complete the engine swap and start up
the 75. Hope to do that this weekend and will report back.
The A65 is back in Cajun country though.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
now A75 powered
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: T-88 and elevated temps |
Thank goodness I DON'T use my T88 mixing chart for mixing drinks!
It only goes up to about 16 ounces or so...
Wow, Brodhead was fantastic this year. I've studied this design for years now
and still picked up some new ideas last week at Brodhead. For me, this was one
of the best Brodhead gatherings ever. It was really great seeing so many Pietenpols
and Pietenpol owners, some of whom didn't even fly in, Bill Princell,
Jim Kinsella, Chet Peek and others. That was great.
I hope to actually get to do some Epoxy mixing this weekend...I wanna fly to Brodhead
next year.....
A good sport? I don't take myself too seriously anymore...I laugh at all of it!
;-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and elevated temps
>
>
>
>Mark wrote-
>
>>I use Jim Markle's mixing chart by weight... works great.
>
>Markle has a mixing method by weight? Does it say, "add
>hardener until the weight of epoxy equals the weight of
>the beer in the mug on the other end of the scale"?
>
>Poor Jim... his reputation is growing without his having to
>lift a finger, or much of anything else ;o) Good thing
>he's a good sport. Or at least I hope he is ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>now A75 powered
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We
have been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm.
Under same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
>I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
>recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood
>prop. The one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt
>65 Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of
>the engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise
>speed. I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
>
>Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
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Still at Oshkosh myself. I propped Jack Phillips as he left this
morning and was able to spend the day and tonight with my daughter.
She is a pretty good stick and rudder at age 14.
If anyone wants to join MAAC, I am the contact. GrassRoots is the
weekend after Labor Day. This year it is September 11-13. It is a
giant version of the Pietenpol flyin. We will be processing the member
list next week about Wednesday so if anyone wants to attend let me
know and I can get your membership at least started when I get back in
the office on Monday. Contact me off list at this address: maac@antique-airplane.org
and I will give you the membership particulars.
"Smile Son. Never Disconcert the Masses."
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> Stan,
>
> There are a couple of fly-in's at Brodhead every year - the
> Pietenpol reunion, of course, and the MAAC Grassroots fly-in.
>
> As an aside, does anyone have the information on when the Grassroots
> fly-in is and where do I send my check to join MAAC? Since I'll
> actually have a Pietenpol to fly there in September I'd love to
> attend.
>
> Russel already sent the link to http://antiqueairfield.com in
> Blakesburg, IA. They have an annual fly-in which I haven't attended
> but have heard good things about.
>
> There's a Stearman convention in Galesburg, IL every September: http://www.stearmanflyin.com
> .
>
> Old Rhinebeck is here: http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/
>
> A couple other places of particular note:
>
> Lee Bottom in Ohio has a monthly "Sinful Sunday" event and an annual
> Wood, Fabric & Tailwheels fly-in: http://www.leebottom.com/event_schedule.htm
>
> There are couple of Waco fly-in - one in Waco Texas and another in
> Ohio: http://www.wacoairmuseum.org/fly_in.htm
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
>
> Stan Jewula wrote:
>> Hello,
>> This was my first year to Brodhead - totally awesome. My son and
>> dad went with me. It reminded dad of when he flew out of Palwaukee
>> in the 50's. You mentioned other fly-ins - Brodhead, Galesburg,
>> Blakesburg, Old Rhinebeck - Does anyone have any information on them?
>> I was able to join the BPA - Now all I need to do is order the
>> plans :-)
>> Stan Jewula
>> stanley1968@sbcglobal.net <mailto:stanley1968@sbcglobal.net>
>> 317-691-4060
>> *
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
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| Subject: | B'head 09 Departure videos |
Here are links to videos of planes departing Brodhead 2009 on Sunday
morning. The Piets went in two groups. There was a Hatz group that
left between the two Piet groups. There's also a few others tossed
in. BTW, these vids are a little better quality than the others I
uploaded, but still crude.
Day 3 of Brodhead 2009. Bill Rewey makes the first landing of the morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpIVIT81huU
Darrel Jones departs Brodhead for Oshkosh in his beautiful Stinson
108. Darrel owns the Pfeifer Sport and hopes to have it restored and
to Brodhead sometime in the near future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHRRY7EQ0Q
Sunday morning, Brodhead 2009. Lots of non-Pietenpols departing, most
for Oshkosh, prior to the big Pietenpol and Hatz migrations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-UfH3-IiIA
The Pietenpols departed Brodhead 2009 in two groups (actually, I
think Greg Cardinal and Mike Cuy slipped out ahead of everyone else).
The first group included Larry Williams, Don Brewer, Skip Gadd, Rob
Back, Don Emch, and a little later, with passenger in Hawaiian shirt
(!), Bill Rewey. After this group, a gaggle of Hatz took off, and
then the second Piet group (see next two videos).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4-Bi8Hv4M
A gaggle of Hatz biplanes, including one powered by an inline engine
and the Bantam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_4qruilsI
This is the second group of Pietenpols departing Brodhead 2009 Sunday
morning for Oshkosh. I think that this group included Dick Navratil,
Lowell Frank, Chuck Gantzer, Shad/Gary Bell, Kurt Shipman, Randy
Bush, and Ken Perkins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNNO9zEjngU
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Jeff wrote-
>One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen
>was obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop,
>76x38. We have been very happy with it. Best climb with old
>prop was ~750 fpm. Under same or similar conditions, the new
>prop gives>1000 fpm.
But Jeff, aren't you running a C75 engine? Jim has an A65
and that prop probably isn't right for him. Did I recall
incorrectly about your engine? True enough that the C75 will
develop full rated power at 2275 RPM and the A65 at 2300, but
that's a 10 HP difference at roughly the same RPM so your
76x38 is probably too much prop for the 65. Or maybe you were
suggesting a switch to a Cloudcars prop as a brand, not
necessarily the same diameter/pitch?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
now A75 powered
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Side by Side Air Camper |
Am I reading this right? I'm still relatively new to the Piet community, but does
this still qualify as an Air Camper?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Air-Camper-Light-Sport-Side-by-Side_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a515c88eaQQitemZ250473122026QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop ThoughtsJim, I also have the Jay Anderson
(Cloudcars) 76X38 scimitar in front of my A 65 and I love it. I went
from a Struba 74X38 to the Jay Anderson 76X38 and I absolutely love the
improvement in my Piet's climb. I don't have a VSI and haven't taken
the time to check what my rate of climb is, but it has greatly improved.
Jay is a great guy to deal with. I'll try to send a photo of my prop.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We have
been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm. Under
same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The
one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65
Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of the
engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise speed.
I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
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Emory University School of Medicine
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| Subject: | Jay Anderson Prop 76X38 |
I forgot to mention that I have no problems getting my A 65 to turn 2300
RPM
Hope this helps
Gene
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| Subject: | Side by Side Air Camper |
That's kind of a tough call, Mark.
This plane is highly modified. It doesn't really look like a Pietenpol.
The wings look very short.
Here's a link to some footage of it in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
On the other hand, I believe that BHP once built a side-by-side Air
Camper, powered by a Ford V-8 I believe. Or at least, that's what I
remember from Chet Peek's book "The Pietenpol Story". Hope I'm
remembering correctly.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Videos of several Brodhead arrivals, etc. |
Jeff, great videos, and thanks for taking the time to do this. Hope to see you
in the Atlanta area soon. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
>
> Here are the rest of my videos from the second day (Saturday) of
> Brodhead 2009. The day started a bit slow (see previous videos).
> However, as you'll see, things got pretty busy. The crosswind got
> gustier and gustier, but the planes kept coming!
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a4 Dick Navratil.mov
> Dick Navratil takes up the next vict--I mean--passenger... :)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOJg39hbZbk
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a5 Ken Perkins.mov
> Ken (or someone in his plane) takes up another passenger.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edq2kiurTQY
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a6 Larry Wms.mov
> Larry Williams arrives at Brodhead 2009!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXRg2H5u6J8
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a7 Don Emch.mov
> Don Emch arrives at Brodhead 2009!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C54Nkp69u7Q
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a8 Frank Pavliga.mov
> Frank Pavliga arrives at Brodhead 2009 with a steady hand in a tough crosswind.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJ4WnFKp1k
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a9 Hammond & Alkire.mov
> Jim Hammond and Dick Alkire arrive at Brodhead 2009 in Dick's Aeronca
> L-3. Afterwards a WACO DSO with a different type of "Model A" engine
> takes off (Hispano-Suiza, Model A engine). Bonus points for anyone
> who can tell us Dick's "official" title...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL4Yv5_XwrQ
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a10 Navratil hi-spd pass.mov
> Dick Navratil screams through the pattern in a high-speed pass.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YIAaRBHQw
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a11 UL.mov
> Ultralight lands in high and variable crosswind at Brodhead 2009.
> Braver than Dick Tracy!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEc1NddLI54
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a12 Traffic Jam!.mov
> Things really started to get hopping at this point. All kinds of
> interesting planes arriving, plus a lot of Piet people started
> hopping rides. Among others, you'll see Ken Perkins, Jack Phillips,
> Skipp Gadd arrives, Dick Navrati, a WACO DFS (which I misidentified
> as a Travel Air), a Hatz, and a Cabin WACO that waits & waits & waits
> to take-off during a constant stream of arrivals.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFXw7ARl3dw
>
> Brodhead09 Day2a13 Pig Pit.mov
> Looking around the "Pig Pit," the place of honor for Piets up by the
> original hangars.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i91hMOmt_jE
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Side by Side Air Camper |
Bill,
I started my message before you sent yours, but family dinner interrupted
and it didn't get sent until after yours arrived. :P
I don't have the Piet Story in front of me, but I do recall the side-by-side
V8 Piet mentioned; maybe even a fuzzy picture of the front of the airplane.
If I recall, it wasn't much of a performer....
Ryan
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
> That's kind of a tough call, Mark.
>
> This plane is highly modified. It doesn't really look like a Pietenpol.
> The wings look very short.
>
> Here's a link to some footage of it in action:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
>
>
> On the other hand, I believe that BHP once built a side-by-side Air
> Camper, powered by a Ford V-8 I believe. Or at least, that's what I
> remember from Chet Peek's book "The Pietenpol Story". Hope I'm
> remembering correctly.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Side by Side Air Camper |
I think this airplane pops up for sale every so often. I think I've seen it
listed at least two other times; maybe one time was on Barnstormers, I don't
recall. Anywho, it wouldn't be a Pietenpol Air Camper. It's a two-place side
by side homebuilt, loosely based on a Pietenpol, with a little Corben
influence thrown in. But not, in my opinion, a Pietenpol Air Camper; just
loosely based on one.
But the seller has to call it something, and the Pietenpol name is well
known, so there you have it. :P
Have a good evening,
Ryan
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:21 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Am I reading this right? I'm still relatively new to the Piet community,
> but does this still qualify as an Air Camper?
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Air-Camper-Light-Sport-Side-by-Side_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a515c88eaQQitemZ250473122026QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
>
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> Mark - working on wings
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Oscar, you're memory is correct, but nope, the prop was designed to
run on an A65 and several have been used with that engine. We bought
it because Jay had it already made and was willing to make a deal
(although he offered that if it didn't work for us, he'd swap for
what he really thought was a better C75 prop).
The 76x38 is, let's say, an extreme climb prop for a C75. >:-}
>
>
>Jeff wrote-
>
>>One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen
>>was obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop,
>>76x38. We have been very happy with it. Best climb with old
>>prop was ~750 fpm. Under same or similar conditions, the new
>>prop gives>1000 fpm.
>
>But Jeff, aren't you running a C75 engine? Jim has an A65
>and that prop probably isn't right for him. Did I recall
>incorrectly about your engine? True enough that the C75 will
>develop full rated power at 2275 RPM and the A65 at 2300, but
>that's a 10 HP difference at roughly the same RPM so your
>76x38 is probably too much prop for the 65. Or maybe you were
>suggesting a switch to a Cloudcars prop as a brand, not
>necessarily the same diameter/pitch?
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>now A75 powered
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Side by Side Air Camper |
The Side-by-each-Piet is based on a widened Pietenpol fuselage and was
built in Florida by a retired navy man that then sold it to Mike Soucy.
It is based out of Twichels airport in Turner, Maine. I saw it listed in
the local Uncle Henrry's classifieds as well as Barnstormers about a
month ago for 8K $. Though it is not in either at the present time. He
was also selling his scratch built 701 project. So I fear Mike may have
hit upon hard times and perhaps like many in rural Maine has fallen
victim to the bad economy and the multiple mill shut downs taking place
all over the state.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Side by Side Air Camper
I think this airplane pops up for sale every so often. I think I've
seen it listed at least two other times; maybe one time was on
Barnstormers, I don't recall. Anywho, it wouldn't be a Pietenpol Air
Camper. It's a two-place side by side homebuilt, loosely based on a
Pietenpol, with a little Corben influence thrown in. But not, in my
opinion, a Pietenpol Air Camper; just loosely based on one.
But the seller has to call it something, and the Pietenpol name is
well known, so there you have it. :P
Have a good evening,
Ryan
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:21 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
Am I reading this right? I'm still relatively new to the Piet
community, but does this still qualify as an Air Camper?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Air-Camper-Light-Sport-Side-by-S
ide_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a515c88eaQQitem
Z250473122026QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Side by Side Air Camper |
Well, I learn something new here every day. Interesting stuff.
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| Subject: | Re: Videos of several Brodhead arrivals, etc. |
Hey Gardiner,
Thanks for the kind words. It was great seeing you at Brodhead. When
we gwan git a Southern Piet Fly-In geared up?
Jeff
>
> Jeff, great videos, and thanks for taking the time to do this.
>Hope to see you in the Atlanta area soon. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
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| Subject: | Re: Jay Anderson Prop 76X38 |
Wow! A beauty!
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Dave,
Ihad bought a set of cart calipers earlier but not installed.
After I saw those that Ron Harper was selling. liked much better so I bought
them. These are mechanical calopers.as was my first set.I am using a single
handle bar to brake both wheels. PF Beck's disk are made from 14 "masonarry
blades that were to be trashed,that's what he told me.
Ted Stone
Bldg corvair Piet
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From: davea@symbolicdisplays.com
Sent: 7/31/2009 9:19:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
Hey Ted!
What Calipers are those? I am nearing that stage.....
Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinges
The person you want to talk to that was with PF Beck at Brodhead was Don
Harper.Cell # 1-803-671-2983..
His hinges are machined from solid stock and very high quality.He also has
a oil separator that is very nice
at a good price. I bought a set of light weight disk brake calipers that
PF says works great.
e-mail address- _Don_Harper@markivauto.com_
(mailto:Don_Harper@markivauto.com)
Ted Stone
bldg corvair powered Piet
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| Subject: | What a blast!! C37, OSH, OH71 |
Jeff Boatright, What a job taking vidieo!!!!- Thank you for the memories
caught on tape.- This was easily the best fling expeiance I have ever had
.- What a rush to fly to the biggest fly in, with the slowest group of ai
rplanes.- I know I can't be the only one who was re-living his boyhood fa
ntasy of sitting in the cockpit of a F4U Corsair warming up for a mission l
ike the old series "Black Sheep Squdron", waiting to launch on a mission wi
th the rest of my squadron.- Flying with 7 other piets was a once in a li
fetime experiance.- Then to top it off I was lucky enough to fly out of O
SH with Don Emch, and later meet up with the Frank Pavilga, and Sky Gypsy,
plus Dick Alkire and my neighbor Bill See in 2 Aeroneca's.- We fought our
way across Illinois and northern Indiana.-- We got stuck for storms an
d I got a call from my wife to get my butt home (pesonal reasons), so Dad t
ook the reigns and chased the weather home in NX92GB, with Don, Frank, And
Bill the next morning.- To Bill, Frank, And Don, My Dad had the same loo
k on his face when he got home wed evening as he did after flying NX92GB fo
r the 1st time.- I think the inconvienent bout of chasing weather was the
biggest flying adventure he has had since before I was born in 1978.- I
believe he felt like he was 25 again.- The Pietenpol is truly a time mach
ine.- It doesn't have to go back 70-80 years, only to each of our own-b
oyhood fantasies where we were all the Red Barron, or at least chasing him
down.- A time when all that mattered was our dream to fly and and our unq
uinchable urdge to fly.- I look forward to seeing you all again at Brodhe
ad, though it may be several years.- I want to congradulate Randy Bush, a
nd Kurt Shipman for their debut at Brodhead and OSH.- Way to go!!!!- Co
rvairs rule!!- OK I am A little biased I admit it.
-
Sincerly,
Shad
-
P.S.- Don, Mike C., Frank P., Skipp, ANd anyone else We need to try to me
et at MERFI in Sept and show what piets are all about.=0A=0A=0A
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