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1. 05:41 AM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Lagowski Morrow)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Lagowski Morrow)
3. 05:55 AM - prop builders (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: prop builders (Lagowski Morrow)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Gene & Tammy)
6. 07:26 AM - Split axle fittings: aargh! (Andrew M Eldredge)
7. 08:16 AM - Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! ()
8. 08:16 AM - B'head 09 Departure videos (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 08:54 AM - Split axle fittings: aargh! (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! (Andrew M Eldredge)
11. 10:12 AM - Brodhead and OSH (Dick N.)
12. 10:35 AM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Lagowski Morrow)
13. 10:42 AM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Gene Rambo)
14. 10:45 AM - home safe (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 10:53 AM - Re: home safe (K5YAC)
16. 10:54 AM - Hagerstown, Dirksons, Brodhead, OSH (Lawrence Williams)
17. 11:14 AM - Re: home safe (amsafetyc@aol.com)
18. 02:17 PM - Rib and spar building (Lagowski Morrow)
19. 02:35 PM - Re: Rib and spar building (K5YAC)
20. 03:47 PM - Re: Brodhead and OSH (Chet Hartley)
21. 04:18 PM - A65 to A75 swap (Oscar Zuniga)
22. 04:48 PM - Re: B'head 09 Departure videos (Jeff Boatright)
23. 05:19 PM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Jeff Boatright)
24. 05:19 PM - Re: Prop Thoughts (Jeff Boatright)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop ThoughtsGene, thanks to you also for the
Cloudcars info. Great looking airplane! the prop really sets it off.
Would welcome contact info from you or Jeff for
Anderson/Cloudcars.---Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim, I also have the Jay Anderson (Cloudcars) 76X38 scimitar in front
of my A 65 and I love it. I went from a Struba 74X38 to the Jay
Anderson 76X38 and I absolutely love the improvement in my Piet's climb.
I don't have a VSI and haven't taken the time to check what my rate of
climb is, but it has greatly improved. Jay is a great guy to deal with.
I'll try to send a photo of my prop.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We have
been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm. Under
same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The
one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65
Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of the
engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise speed.
I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop ThoughtsJeff, many thanks for the input. Much
appreciated! Do you have contact info for Cloudcars/Anderson?
Loved the videos!!--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We have
been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm. Under
same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The
one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65
Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of the
engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise speed.
I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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Somebody asked about prop builders. One I would strongly suggest you ck out
and talk to is Culver Props. It's part of Valley Engineering and run by
Larry and his dad Gene (can't remember their last name). They are VERY
knowledgable, make a beautiful product and offer a large selection of
designs including a gorgeous scimitar pattern, they really know old
airplanes. I had a WWI repro prop custom made (almost nine feet long!) and
the price and quality was amazing.
Worth a look for sure.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: prop builders |
Douwe, Thanks--Jim Lagowski
do not archive
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop builders
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Somebody asked about prop builders. One I would strongly suggest you ck
> out
> and talk to is Culver Props. It's part of Valley Engineering and run by
> Larry and his dad Gene (can't remember their last name). They are VERY
> knowledgable, make a beautiful product and offer a large selection of
> designs including a gorgeous scimitar pattern, they really know old
> airplanes. I had a WWI repro prop custom made (almost nine feet long!)
> and
> the price and quality was amazing.
>
> Worth a look for sure.
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop ThoughtsJim,
Jay Anderson's phone # is 325-356-2810. You'll see his ad in
Barnstormers under propellers, page 5, dated 15 July. The ad includes
photos of my Piet with the prop. The 76X38 was just a guess of mine and
Jay was willing to try it. He was willing to change the pitch at no
charge if it didn't work out, but a change wasn't needed. Do tell him
Jeff and I recommended him.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Lagowski Morrow
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Gene, thanks to you also for the Cloudcars info. Great looking
airplane! the prop really sets it off. Would welcome contact info from
you or Jeff for Anderson/Cloudcars.---Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim, I also have the Jay Anderson (Cloudcars) 76X38 scimitar in
front of my A 65 and I love it. I went from a Struba 74X38 to the Jay
Anderson 76X38 and I absolutely love the improvement in my Piet's climb.
I don't have a VSI and haven't taken the time to check what my rate of
climb is, but it has greatly improved. Jay is a great guy to deal with.
I'll try to send a photo of my prop.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We have
been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm. Under
same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The
one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65
Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of the
engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise speed.
I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
--
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Split axle fittings: aargh! |
I had my fittings nicely tacked together, they fit on the fuselage and the
gear fit on them. Life was beautiful and my airplane was going to be on
it's feet once more.
Then I finish welded the fittings. Making sure I got adequate penetration
also honked up their shape, now they don't fit anymore. I might have to
make these things again. Perhaps drilling the fuse attach holes after finish
welding is done and otherwise altering the sequence of operations.
Is anyone feeling my pain?
I'll be back in the garage seeing if I can straighen one of these things out
with the torch and the hammer. It looks awful.
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! |
Andrew,
I feel your pain. I have a few extra parts in my scap bin for the same
reason. It seems that the thins move all around no matter how hard I
try to stop it. I found that, when gas welding, it was better to do all
my welding before drilling and installing the fittings. By the way I
would not bash it to much to get it to fit. Bite the bullet and make a
new one.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: Andrew M Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh!
I had my fittings nicely tacked together, they fit on the fuselage and
the gear fit on them. Life was beautiful and my airplane was going to
be on it's feet once more.
Then I finish welded the fittings. Making sure I got adequate
penetration also honked up their shape, now they don't fit anymore. I
might have to make these things again. Perhaps drilling the fuse attach
holes after finish welding is done and otherwise altering the sequence
of operations.
Is anyone feeling my pain?
I'll be back in the garage seeing if I can straighen one of these
things out with the torch and the hammer. It looks awful.
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | B'head 09 Departure videos |
Jeff;
Truly do appreciate the videos and commentary. Wish we could
have made it to the 80th but there's always next year, I guess.
It was interesting to watch climb rates, attitudes, takeoff rolls,
and other characteristics of each airplane. No two alike.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Split axle fittings: aargh! |
Andrew;
I noticed on the beautifully-fabricated set of split-style
landing gearlegs that I bought
from Arlene Walsh's estate (off the Aerial biplane) that
the attach bolt holes were drilled after the legs were fitted
up and that no two of them go straight through the center of
the fitting. Apparently there are just too many things to
keep lined up by jigging. However, the legs on 41CC were
made in the conventional way, using Bill Rewey's jig method,
and they slide on fairly easily and are not forced or sprung
into place so there must be a way to do it successfully.
Maybe you can put a pin and lever on the end of the leg and
tweak the fittings into alignment, or are they so far out
that they can't be tweaked a bit? It sure would be a shame
to have to scrap them and start over.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! |
I have finish welded the rear fittings, It is mainly the fuse attach holes
that are out of alignment, I'd say by a third of a diameter. The bottom
plate is visibly warped concave to where the lug is welded on.
Looking forward, even If I make new fittings, it may be necessary to dowel
patch and re-drill the fuse holes anyway, as I can't think of a way to
accurately locate the holes on the fitting to match the existing holes in
wood. I want to see what I have after trying to straighten these out,
partly to see if I can straighten them out.
Where can I find more on Rewey's jig method?
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Andrew;
>
> I noticed on the beautifully-fabricated set of split-style
> landing gearlegs that I bought
> from Arlene Walsh's estate (off the Aerial biplane) that
> the attach bolt holes were drilled after the legs were fitted
> up and that no two of them go straight through the center of
> the fitting. Apparently there are just too many things to
> keep lined up by jigging. However, the legs on 41CC were
> made in the conventional way, using Bill Rewey's jig method,
> and they slide on fairly easily and are not forced or sprung
> into place so there must be a way to do it successfully.
>
> Maybe you can put a pin and lever on the end of the leg and
> tweak the fittings into alignment, or are they so far out
> that they can't be tweaked a bit? It sure would be a shame
> to have to scrap them and start over.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Brodhead and OSH |
Hi all
I got home from OSH last evening. I hope everyone else made it home
safe also. I guess a bit of rain and wind is a fair trade off for the
lack of mosquitoes and heat.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop ThoughtsGene, many thanks!--Jim Lagowski
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
Jay Anderson's phone # is 325-356-2810. You'll see his ad in
Barnstormers under propellers, page 5, dated 15 July. The ad includes
photos of my Piet with the prop. The 76X38 was just a guess of mine and
Jay was willing to try it. He was willing to change the pitch at no
charge if it didn't work out, but a change wasn't needed. Do tell him
Jeff and I recommended him.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Lagowski Morrow
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Gene, thanks to you also for the Cloudcars info. Great looking
airplane! the prop really sets it off. Would welcome contact info from
you or Jeff for Anderson/Cloudcars.---Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim, I also have the Jay Anderson (Cloudcars) 76X38 scimitar in
front of my A 65 and I love it. I went from a Struba 74X38 to the Jay
Anderson 76X38 and I absolutely love the improvement in my Piet's climb.
I don't have a VSI and haven't taken the time to check what my rate of
climb is, but it has greatly improved. Jay is a great guy to deal with.
I'll try to send a photo of my prop.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We have
been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm. Under
same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The
one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65
Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of the
engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise speed.
I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop ThoughtsI bought my prop from Jay as well.
Although I have not flown yet, I can certainly recommend him as a great
guy to deal with, and his work is beautiful!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy<mailto:zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
Jay Anderson's phone # is 325-356-2810. You'll see his ad in
Barnstormers under propellers, page 5, dated 15 July. The ad includes
photos of my Piet with the prop. The 76X38 was just a guess of mine and
Jay was willing to try it. He was willing to change the pitch at no
charge if it didn't work out, but a change wasn't needed. Do tell him
Jeff and I recommended him.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Lagowski Morrow<mailto:jimdeb@charter.net>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Gene, thanks to you also for the Cloudcars info. Great looking
airplane! the prop really sets it off. Would welcome contact info from
you or Jeff for Anderson/Cloudcars.---Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy<mailto:zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim, I also have the Jay Anderson (Cloudcars) 76X38 scimitar in
front of my A 65 and I love it. I went from a Struba 74X38 to the Jay
Anderson 76X38 and I absolutely love the improvement in my Piet's climb.
I don't have a VSI and haven't taken the time to check what my rate of
climb is, but it has greatly improved. Jay is a great guy to deal with.
I'll try to send a photo of my prop.
Gene in Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
Jim,
One of the biggest performance improvements we've ever seen was
obtained by switching to a Cloudcars semi-scimitar prop, 76x38. We have
been very happy with it. Best climb with old prop was ~750 fpm. Under
same or similar conditions, the new prop gives >1000 fpm. BIG
difference.
Jeff
I have to return a loaner wood prop, and would welcome
recommendations on the pitch and dia. for a replacement wood prop. The
one I have been using is a 72 x 42. My engine is a rebuilt 65
Continental. With the borrowed prop the most I could get out of the
engine was~2150 rpm. I'm more interested in climbing than cruise speed.
I would also be interested in recommended prop builders.
Thanks for your thoughts--Jim Lagowski
--
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Thanks to the good Lord and Mother Nature (some nice tailwinds) I made it home
from Oshkosh to Cleveland yesterday with a record
of only two fuel stops in 8.5 hours with the first stop at DeKalb, IL then Goshen.
Goshen to Cleveland was nonstop and took 2 hours
20 minutes. The other two legs were 2 hours each.
Great time, great to see other people from the list at Brodhead and Oshkosh and
GREAT to see the crowds around all of those
Pietenpols parked by the brown arch at Oshkosh.
It's pretty cool when they line you up for departure two abreast on Runway 36L
like they might in the old days on an aircraft
carrier....those controllers don't mess around but they are the nicest guys and
compliment people on their airplanes, tell you to
enjoy your flight home...super nice, super professional guys and gals in the traditional
pink shirts with paddles.
Sometimes I think it is easier to fly into Oshkosh than into podunk pancake breakfast
fly-in's where everyone is left to fly
slip-shod patterns, sloppy pilotage, and be creative when you least need to be.
There's something to be said for sticking to
the program-- and flying into Oshkosh is it.
Mike C. from Ohio
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Glad you are home safe. Sounds like you had quite a time.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Hagerstown, Dirksons, Brodhead, OSH |
I was going to email everyone who I was with the past two weeks and tell th
em how much it meant to me to be in their company but, being the lazy slob
that I am, I thought it would be easier to just post it here and get it all
wrapped up in one swell foop.
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Hagerstown was amazing with over 30antique airplanes and 3,000 spectators.
Not too shabby for a Tuesday afternoon get-together. All of us were treated
royally and got some free meals and lodging from the local airport manager
and city councilman. Nice, nice, nice.
-
The Dirkson farm barnstorming tour was delayed for one day by bad weather b
ut we finally made it there and things fell right into place. The high poin
t for me was pushing Alan Rudolph's old Piet up to a tree so we could wrap
a chain-hoist around a tree limb and pull the engine. The cast mag mount ha
d cracked and it was soon removed, taken to town and welded. The plane was
put back together, run up and pronounced ready to go. Total time....4.5 hrs
!
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Te next day it was to go down into a bean field in Momence, IL on our way t
o Joliet. It's now back in Brodhead awaiting repairs. It was fortunate that
Andrew King was the pilot and did a masterful job of putting it down witho
ut any structural damage which would not have been the case with a less ski
lled pilot. At least that's what he says.
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Hunkering down in Joliet put us all even further behind in getting to Brodh
ead. Finally Saturday late morning we arrived. Some of the group went to re
trieve the Piet in Momence, I did laundry and started gearing up for the pu
sh into OSH the following a.m.
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OSH was the usual scene with gigantic crowds, blaring speakers and money di
sappearing from my wallet at an alarming rate. Guess I'm getting old and cr
usty but that's probably my last time. Rumor has it that Tom P. is on his w
ay out via the board of directors and he has Parkinson's disease. That's al
l second-hand....time will tell. It would be interesting to see what direct
ion it would take with someone new at the helm.
-
I bugged out at 0630 Wednesday and made it to Vincennes, IN. where I hangar
ed and slept at an agplane outfit. Thursday was rainy and I got to go to th
e Vincennes airport which is THE hub for vintage sailplanes in the USA. Nic
e guys and loads of history.
-
Friday evening I got back here to Country Air just east of Little Rock and
am trying to get back to a more routine life. Whew-ee, what a couple of wee
ks. More living there than a lot of folks are able to get in a whole lifeti
me!!
-
Stats:
1893 miles flown
31.7 hrs. in the air
59 mph average speed
130 gal burned (avg price;$4.00=$520.00)
14.5 mpg
$.30/mile
Memories............priceless!=0A=0A=0A
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Mike
I bet if he knew you were landing in Goshen. Dennis would have come out to greet
ya. This is his second Brodhead and planning for next year.
I think he's hooked just needs a ride to push him over the edge.
Just my opinion
Do not archive
------Original Message------
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 1, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: home safe
Thanks to the good Lord and Mother Nature (some nice tailwinds) I made it home
from Oshkosh to Cleveland yesterday with a record
of only two fuel stops in 8.5 hours with the first stop at DeKalb, IL then Goshen.
Goshen to Cleveland was nonstop and took 2 hours
20 minutes. The other two legs were 2 hours each.
Great time, great to see other people from the list at Brodhead and Oshkosh and
GREAT to see the crowds around all of those
Pietenpols parked by the brown arch at Oshkosh.
It's pretty cool when they line you up for departure two abreast on Runway 36L
like they might in the old days on an aircraft
carrier....those controllers don't mess around but they are the nicest guys and
compliment people on their airplanes, tell you to
enjoy your flight home...super nice, super professional guys and gals in the traditional
pink shirts with paddles.
Sometimes I think it is easier to fly into Oshkosh than into podunk pancake breakfast
fly-in's where everyone is left to fly
slip-shod patterns, sloppy pilotage, and be creative when you least need to be.
There's something to be said for sticking to
the program-- and flying into Oshkosh is it.
Mike C. from Ohio
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Rib and spar building |
For you wing builders note pg 23 of the Aug issue of Sport Aviation and
the article starting on page 110. Pg 23 notes Wicks has a new load of
spruce. The article shows gusset work with T-88. For gussets I used a 2"
hole saw and then cut the circle in half. Looks nice, even 'tho no one
sees them now.--Jim Lagowski
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| Subject: | Re: Rib and spar building |
I believe I saw some of your work in photos somewhere Jim... the half round gussets
do look nice, and keeps everything fairly standard. I probably would have
done that if I had not already cut and shaped all mine. It wasn't too much
extra effort, but I did have proprietary gussets that fit specific locations in
the ribs. With half rounds I suppose you just make a bucket full and grab one
when needed. Perhaps you used quarter rounds on some areas? I can't remember
if I saw any. Overall, a much simpler approach to a tedious task.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead and OSH |
Dick,
Cathy said to tell you Thank you once more, as she really enjoyed the
flight out of Broadhead. I would like to also say thanks to everone that
help to make her fell at home while we were there. Next years trip is
already being planned.
Chet
NX920Y
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick N.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead and OSH
Hi all
I got home from OSH last evening. I hope everyone else made it home
safe also. I guess a bit of rain and wind is a fair trade off for the
lack of mosquitoes and heat.
Dick N.
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At approximately 5 PM central daylight time today, August 1,
my new A75 engine started its new life on the nose of 41CC
with zero time it its logbook. It took enough pulls of the
prop that I'm already sore an hour later, but I figured out
what the engine wanted and it finally sprang to life and then
purred like a kitten till I shut it down about 10 minutes
later, due to an oil leak somewhere up front. I'll deal with
that later.
The engine starts easily once I figured out the throttle
setting that it wanted, and man oh man is it tight! It's
going to need some run time to smooth out the high internal
friction until the rings seat and things ease up a bit. I can
sure sympathize with Edwin and Corky when they broke in the
65.
The oil pressure shot right up into the top of the green,
higher than I've ever seen it with the 65. The 65 cruised with
the oil pressure at the bottom of the green but the oil pump
cover was faced smooth when this engine was rebuilt so there
is little or no bypass and the pump really works nice.
More later.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC, A75 powered
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: B'head 09 Departure videos |
Oscar,
Glad you find the videos useful. Since last minute problems caused me
to cancel the Piet trip, I was very happy to be able to contribute in
some other (small) way. The camcorder was borrowed, so it took me
until about Sunday to figure out how to make a halfway OK video, but
hey, it was right for the price!
Jeff
>
>
>Jeff;
>
>Truly do appreciate the videos and commentary. Wish we could
>have made it to the 80th but there's always next year, I guess.
>
>It was interesting to watch climb rates, attitudes, takeoff rolls,
>and other characteristics of each airplane. No two alike.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Yep, he was very clear that he would "make it right" if I wasn't
happy. However, I couldn't be happier with the climb performance and
I lost _nothing_ in the top end or cruise. Weird.
>Jim,
>Jay Anderson's phone # is 325-356-2810. You'll see his ad in
>Barnstormers under propellers, page 5, dated 15 July. The ad
>includes photos of my Piet with the prop. The 76X38 was just a
>guess of mine and Jay was willing to try it. He was willing to
>change the pitch at no charge if it didn't work out, but a change
>wasn't needed. Do tell him Jeff and I recommended him.
>Gene in Tennessee
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Thoughts |
Jim,
Try Jay at cloudcars@verizon.net
Glad you enjoyed the videos. It was great this year.
Jeff
>Jeff, many thanks for the input. Much appreciated! Do you have
>contact info for Cloudcars/Anderson?
>
>Loved the videos!!--Jim Lagowski
>
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| Subject: | tail section turnbuckles |
I recently bought 1/16 turnbuckles for the tail section but I noticed at Br
odhead that most (if not everyone) is using 3/32 - or at least that is what
it looked like. I can't recall who=2C but someone on here had recommended
1/16 based on a previous archive search. Any comments on 1/16 vs. 3/32 -
obviously the 3/32 is stronger but the 1/16 is rated at around 700 lbs each
- should be plenty strong.
Tom B.
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I made it back safely as well, but in two days. Left OSH Friday morning and
made it to Dayton, OH. Saw groundspeeds as high as 82 knots on the GPS.
Left Dayton this morning and flew to Smith Mountain Lake, VA where I left
the Piet in the hangar and climbed into the RV-4 for the final leg home to
Raleigh, NC. I can't believe it's all over for another year. Hope the
weather is better next year so I can get a full 3 days at Brodhead, and hop
more rides.
Sure enjoyed seeing everybody there...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: home safe
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Thanks to the good Lord and Mother Nature (some nice tailwinds) I made it
home from Oshkosh to Cleveland yesterday with a record
of only two fuel stops in 8.5 hours with the first stop at DeKalb, IL then
Goshen. Goshen to Cleveland was nonstop and took 2 hours
20 minutes. The other two legs were 2 hours each.
Great time, great to see other people from the list at Brodhead and Oshkosh
and GREAT to see the crowds around all of those
Pietenpols parked by the brown arch at Oshkosh.
It's pretty cool when they line you up for departure two abreast on Runway
36L like they might in the old days on an aircraft
carrier....those controllers don't mess around but they are the nicest guys
and compliment people on their airplanes, tell you to
enjoy your flight home...super nice, super professional guys and gals in the
traditional pink shirts with paddles.
Sometimes I think it is easier to fly into Oshkosh than into podunk pancake
breakfast fly-in's where everyone is left to fly
slip-shod patterns, sloppy pilotage, and be creative when you least need to
be. There's something to be said for sticking to
the program-- and flying into Oshkosh is it.
Mike C. from Ohio
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John, Jack, Michael
I am glad to hear all are back safely. I wanted to thank you guys for your invitation
to join in on Friday. Speaking for Dennis and I, we really enjoyed it despite
the rain.
Thanks again
John Recine
Safe in the morning and not in the evening, right Jack
------Original Message------
From: Jack Phillips
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 1, 2009 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: home safe
I made it back safely as well, but in two days. Left OSH Friday morning and
made it to Dayton, OH. Saw groundspeeds as high as 82 knots on the GPS.
Left Dayton this morning and flew to Smith Mountain Lake, VA where I left
the Piet in the hangar and climbed into the RV-4 for the final leg home to
Raleigh, NC. I can't believe it's all over for another year. Hope the
weather is better next year so I can get a full 3 days at Brodhead, and hop
more rides.
Sure enjoyed seeing everybody there...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: home safe
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Thanks to the good Lord and Mother Nature (some nice tailwinds) I made it
home from Oshkosh to Cleveland yesterday with a record
of only two fuel stops in 8.5 hours with the first stop at DeKalb, IL then
Goshen. Goshen to Cleveland was nonstop and took 2 hours
20 minutes. The other two legs were 2 hours each.
Great time, great to see other people from the list at Brodhead and Oshkosh
and GREAT to see the crowds around all of those
Pietenpols parked by the brown arch at Oshkosh.
It's pretty cool when they line you up for departure two abreast on Runway
36L like they might in the old days on an aircraft
carrier....those controllers don't mess around but they are the nicest guys
and compliment people on their airplanes, tell you to
enjoy your flight home...super nice, super professional guys and gals in the
traditional pink shirts with paddles.
Sometimes I think it is easier to fly into Oshkosh than into podunk pancake
breakfast fly-in's where everyone is left to fly
slip-shod patterns, sloppy pilotage, and be creative when you least need to
be. There's something to be said for sticking to
the program-- and flying into Oshkosh is it.
Mike C. from Ohio
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Brodhead and Beyond |
Boy, what an incredible 1 =BD weeks!! I went to Brodhead un-certain on
whether
to go with center section fuel or forward fuel, un-clear on how I was
going
to get any baggage area (except what=92s behind me), un-sure about my
brakes,
flying wires, control stick hookup (I have push rods), and a whole bunch
of
other stuff=85.
Got back home Sunday afternoon and went to work. This week I built a
forward
baggage area similar to Jack=92s (with laminated hoops), installed eye
bolts
in the landing gear similar to Greg, Dick and a couple others, cut out a
=BD
panel glove box door in the forward instrument panel (I forgot who=92s
plane I
saw that on), and got started on my throttle quadrant similar to
Skip=92s! The
front is now ready to close up, and tomorrow I=92ll make the metal
firewall
and install the engine mount, permanently. Next weekend the wife is gone
and
I can focus on, and finish the brakes!
You guys are the best and sure hope I can make this an annual event!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down=85)
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| Subject: | Brodhead and OSH |
We made it home also, auto pilot Ed, chase motor home Cinda and Felix all back
at Hales Landing WV. We hit all the holes in the weather and had only one 3 hour
wait at Stewart field Waynesville OH.
Thanks to everyone who came by to check out Felix, we had a great time. Found some
great little airports, Sheridan 5I4 north of Indy and Kankakee 3KK both with
gas and grass. Looking forward to next year.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick N.
Sent: 8/1/2009 1:15:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead and OSH
Hi all
I got home from OSH last evening. I hope everyone else made it home safe also.
I guess a bit of rain and wind is a fair trade off for the lack of mosquitoes
and heat.
Dick N.
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Mike Cuy is leading a charmed life. Not only does he get tailwinds but every
time I looked over at him at Oshkosh he was enthusiastically assisting
attractive young ladies into the cockpit of his airplane. It's no wonder he
is always cheerful.
I had a headwind on EVERY leg of my trip from Minneapolis to Brodhead to
Oshkosh and back to Minneapolis. And instead of pretty girls at my airplane
I had to deal with a 10 year old named Teddy with ADD who forgot to take his
Ritalin. He kept trying to move every knob and lever in the cockpit.
I am still jazzed from the whole experience.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: home safe
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Thanks to the good Lord and Mother Nature (some nice tailwinds) I made it
> home from Oshkosh to Cleveland yesterday with a record
> of only two fuel stops in 8.5 hours with the first stop at DeKalb, IL then
> Goshen. Goshen to Cleveland was nonstop and took 2 hours
> 20 minutes. The other two legs were 2 hours each.
>
> Great time, great to see other people from the list at Brodhead and
> Oshkosh and GREAT to see the crowds around all of those
> Pietenpols parked by the brown arch at Oshkosh.
>
> It's pretty cool when they line you up for departure two abreast on Runway
> 36L like they might in the old days on an aircraft
> carrier....those controllers don't mess around but they are the nicest
> guys and compliment people on their airplanes, tell you to
> enjoy your flight home...super nice, super professional guys and gals in
> the traditional pink shirts with paddles.
>
> Sometimes I think it is easier to fly into Oshkosh than into podunk
> pancake breakfast fly-in's where everyone is left to fly
> slip-shod patterns, sloppy pilotage, and be creative when you least need
> to be. There's something to be said for sticking to
> the program-- and flying into Oshkosh is it.
>
> Mike C. from Ohio
>
>
>
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| Subject: | ok, lemme have it! |
Gents,
I'm sure some of you took a look at N8031 while it was sitting with the
racers just south of the brown arch at OSH. I am not disillusioned - it
needs some work here and there. The question is, how soon do I have to
the work, and am I missing anything?
Your honest opinions and observations would be greatly appreciated. Let
me have it, and don't sugar coat it! I've got a pretty tough skin.
Here's my short list of items that I found in no particular order:
- replace exhaust pipes - they're soft steel and starting to rust
- re-rotate the tires. Tres rotated them on the hubs, then replaced the
bungees which brought the gear back in and they need to be rotated
back.
- the finish has hairline cracks over the turtledeck stringers and there
are some circular rings on the horizontal stabilizer. Popular
consensus is that it's covered in original 1979 Stits Poly-fiber. How
long before I need to consider rejuvenating or recovering (I realize
that a punch test should really be performed...)?
- I was able to put my finger between the spar and the fabric - is that
normal? Shouldn't the fabric be glued to the spar?
- There are some bubbles on the leading edge and wrinkles above the ribs
on the trailing edge, near the center of the plane. Not sure what
these are signs of...
- The elevator should be rebuilt - it's pretty warped. Sounds like a
good winter job.
- The static port needs to be put somewhere on the side of the plane,
not at the top of the jury strut even with the bottom of the wing.
- Whoever built it really liked welding. The diagonal cabanes are
welded to the upright cabanes - there's no chance of just moving the
wing back a little with the current set up. The lift strut wing
fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
- Gap seals on the ailerons, rudder, and elevators. This is a
no-brainer.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! |
Both of my gear legs ended up about a quarter inch narrower than the
distance between the attach fittings on the fuselage but fortunately I am
able to bend them to fit. I would definitely recommend drilling the holes in
the fuselage last as mentioned but that doesn't help much if they are
already drilled.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com
> wrote:
> I had my fittings nicely tacked together, they fit on the fuselage and the
> gear fit on them. Life was beautiful and my airplane was going to be on
> it's feet once more.
>
> Then I finish welded the fittings. Making sure I got adequate penetration
> also honked up their shape, now they don't fit anymore. I might have to
> make these things again. Perhaps drilling the fuse attach holes after finish
> welding is done and otherwise altering the sequence of operations.
>
> Is anyone feeling my pain?
>
> I'll be back in the garage seeing if I can straighen one of these things
> out with the torch and the hammer. It looks awful.
>
>
> --
>
> Andrew M. Eldredge
> Sahuarita, AZ
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Dan,
We look forward to seeing your Piet. Any further word on if it may be
'coming home' tomorrow? We may stop by the airport for a bit before
heading back in to the city.
With regards to rejuvenating versus recovering....obviously a punch
test will give a better idea of it's condition, and if it punches well
I would imagine rejuvenation would save a bit of $. A little food for
thought though; if the fabric is '79 vintage then that means much of
the structure underneath hasn't seen the light of day in 30 years. If
it fails the punch test, or passes on the edge of being serviceable,
it may be worthwhile to bite the bullet and go with a recover. This
would provide the opportunity for you to get a close look at every
inch of the airframe, and would enable you to fix any and all issues
so that it would be ready for the next 30 years of enjoyment.
As I said, just some food for thought. We look forward to meeting
'8031'. Have a good night,
Ryan
Sent from my IPhone
On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> Gents,
>
> I'm sure some of you took a look at N8031 while it was sitting with
> the racers just south of the brown arch at OSH. I am not
> disillusioned - it needs some work here and there. The question is,
> how soon do I have to the work, and am I missing anything?
>
> Your honest opinions and observations would be greatly appreciated.
> Let me have it, and don't sugar coat it! I've got a pretty tough
> skin.
>
<snip>
>
> - the finish has hairline cracks over the turtledeck stringers and
> there
> are some circular rings on the horizontal stabilizer. Popular
> consensus is that it's covered in original 1979 Stits Poly-fiber. How
> long before I need to consider rejuvenating or recovering (I realize
> that a punch test should really be performed...)?
<snip>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
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I am getting ready to bend my firewall and prepare it for the attachments
for the cowling. Regrettably, I did not look at those details while at
Brodhead. What advice can you guys send my way.do I bend forward or
backward? What kind of attachments work best?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
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While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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